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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here

10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here.

08:47 KST - Summary:
Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open.

Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims.

(also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here)
WHyTePoWeR
Profile Joined May 2012
Korea (South)132 Posts
June 05 2012 03:43 GMT
#1521
seems like he hacked based on never looking at fog, just doesnt add up
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
June 05 2012 03:43 GMT
#1522
On June 05 2012 12:39 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 12:37 babylon wrote:
On June 05 2012 12:13 Mirhi wrote:
Well, while it's bad form to throw someone under the bus, I'm just going to do it because all this came out and I have a fact that actually matters.

Spades stream cheated during showmatches that he played while he lived with me at what was the Reign house. It's a carry over from the stream cheating that many Koreans do in the Korean prohouses (Both Spades and Artist have confirmed with me that Koreans frequently stream cheat in team leagues and showmatches against foreigners out of pride).

If ever I saw it happen when I was in the house, I would immediately try to stop them, but I know on occasion it still occured, most notably in a match Spades played against Gatored last year.

About maphacking, I have no idea and have no opinion on the matter other than either option wouldn't surprise me.

I would want to say though, that cheating occurs way more than people realize, and I actually would not be so hard on him for this evidence, even if it is true. Players better than Spades actively cheat, particularly stream cheat or simply ghosting, because of how easy it is.

Example - Leenock was over a player's shoulder at MLG Providence helping them during a game, giving them hints in Korean.

It's pretty common.

..................

Isn't this much more serious than this Spades scandal? o_O

Not really. I remember being at MLG and hearing Koreans chatting with each other at an MLG I attended. They'd stand behind someone and just remark on the game. My friend translated some of it for me and they were basically just giving very, very broad thoughts on the game. It wasn't back seat Sc2 like Mihai is making it seem. The Koreans are pros; they don't need Leenock telling them how to scout or something.

I'd like to know if they do the same thing at GSL qualifiers. If it's not allowed in the GSL qualifiers, then I heavily question them doing it even in the open brackets at MLG, because that's just disrespectful.
SwizzY
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1549 Posts
June 05 2012 03:44 GMT
#1523
Ok that marine retreat is the nail in the coffin for sure. I'm convinced 100%.
All that glitters is not gold, all that wander are not lost, the old that is strong does not wither, deep roots are not reached by frost.
nastyyy
Profile Joined December 2009
United States262 Posts
June 05 2012 03:44 GMT
#1524
Now that CatZ is convincing his viewers that Spades cheats. He's basically fucked.
one time
Moonling
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States987 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 03:45:21
June 05 2012 03:44 GMT
#1525
On June 05 2012 12:42 GreyKnight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 12:41 Moonling wrote:
On June 05 2012 12:40 DamageControL wrote:
On June 05 2012 12:37 babylon wrote:
On June 05 2012 12:13 Mirhi wrote:
Well, while it's bad form to throw someone under the bus, I'm just going to do it because all this came out and I have a fact that actually matters.

Spades stream cheated during showmatches that he played while he lived with me at what was the Reign house. It's a carry over from the stream cheating that many Koreans do in the Korean prohouses (Both Spades and Artist have confirmed with me that Koreans frequently stream cheat in team leagues and showmatches against foreigners out of pride).

If ever I saw it happen when I was in the house, I would immediately try to stop them, but I know on occasion it still occured, most notably in a match Spades played against Gatored last year.

About maphacking, I have no idea and have no opinion on the matter other than either option wouldn't surprise me.

I would want to say though, that cheating occurs way more than people realize, and I actually would not be so hard on him for this evidence, even if it is true. Players better than Spades actively cheat, particularly stream cheat or simply ghosting, because of how easy it is.

Example - Leenock was over a player's shoulder at MLG Providence helping them during a game, giving them hints in Korean.

It's pretty common.

..................

Isn't this much more serious than this Spades scandal? o_O

Only because Leenock is much more relevant lol. But I agree.


How does he know he was giving hints in korean? Does this dude even speak korean?


The fuck? If you're talking to someone in a game you're 99% of the time cheating unless his mom just died.


So this dude has his headphones on, in the middle of a game with ref's and crowd around? And Leenock is just openly talking to him in Korean, giving him hints? Is that what your inferring?

LOL Their teams would not allow this bro your jumping on a bandwagon
1% of koreans control 99% of starcraft winnings. #occupykorea.
Sroobz
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1377 Posts
June 05 2012 03:44 GMT
#1526
Watch whats going on RIGHT NOW in catz stream...it's way too obvious.
Flash---Taeja---Mvp---Byun---DRG
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
June 05 2012 03:44 GMT
#1527
Oh god, it's starting to seem like Savior 2010 all over again. Mirhi's accusations of Koreans cheating is especially concerning. I'm not even a particularly big fan of Leenock, but I can't imagine him intentionally cheating though. He's so young, and seems like a kid who just likes video games.

I don't know if the scene is strong enough to survive a massive cheating/hacking scandal quite frankly.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
bennyaus
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1833 Posts
June 05 2012 03:44 GMT
#1528
Anyone who can't see that he is hacking has absolutely no idea about this game.
I play Random - HuK, DRG + Liquid fan
cArn-
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)824 Posts
June 05 2012 03:44 GMT
#1529
ok about the siege on the natural, he gets scanned, has mid watch tower, how the fuck can you not understand the very basic thinking that has been made there what the fuck seriously.

There is no reason to have your units at the front when the path to the front is seen by the watch tower, god that's the same thing as being prepared for drops becuase you have map control and can see frontal attacks come... I'm done with this, I feel really sad for anyone who can be convinced by this
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DMcKechnie
Profile Joined August 2010
Scotland75 Posts
June 05 2012 03:44 GMT
#1530
On June 05 2012 12:39 shivver wrote:
this is so much fuking bs.. especially catz

"well he sends an scv scout and he never looks at it, it goes in his base and he never checks the scv"

I do this all the damn time, it's because I suck and I can't keep up with simple stuff. I'll all of a sudden look at my minimap and "oh crap my scv is leaving his main"

Anyway, that scv saw everything it needed ( the gas ). Catz is on a witch hunt

Illusion, I never thought I would see this out of you


The problem is that Spades isn't supposed to suck. He's supposed to be a GM Terran. Surely if you're at that level it should be expected that you should be able to keep track of your scouting SCV at the start of the game.
DMKraft
Profile Joined December 2010
476 Posts
June 05 2012 03:45 GMT
#1531
Well I saw with my own eyes that IdrA put roofies in iNcontroL's drink to make him place worse at MLG. SURELY this here-say is more important to discuss than anything we have evidence about. Also while having not watch any replays or reading most of this thread, I would like to say that everyone is guilty. Especially you.

Also I have never been to an MLG
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
June 05 2012 03:45 GMT
#1532
On June 05 2012 12:44 SwizzY wrote:
Ok that marine retreat is the nail in the coffin for sure. I'm convinced 100%.


So obvious im actually discusted there are still people defending him seriously? Dont you understand what this lowlife cheater have done in dmg to our community?

Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
Pwnographics
Profile Joined January 2011
New Zealand1097 Posts
June 05 2012 03:45 GMT
#1533
Either Spades is next level beyond Flash-like game sense which could win him GSLs easy...

Or hacking...
Grampz
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2147 Posts
June 05 2012 03:45 GMT
#1534
On June 05 2012 12:44 Bagration wrote:
Oh god, it's starting to seem like Savior 2010 all over again. Mirhi's accusations of Koreans cheating is especially concerning. I'm not even a particularly big fan of Leenock, but I can't imagine him intentionally cheating though. He's so young, and seems like a kid who just likes video games.

I don't know if the scene is strong enough to survive a massive cheating/hacking scandal quite frankly.

Bringing that up right now... May be the only time it is necessary. You are damned right. Have they TOTALLY FORGOT WHAT RUINED BW IN THE FIRST PLACE? This is fucked. So fucked.
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
June 05 2012 03:45 GMT
#1535
The main point that Catz, Drewbie, Illusion and TT1 are making on stream is that individually a lot of these things could be coincidence or moments of bad play. But altogether it's just too much to chalk up to coincidence, particularly for someone at this level of play.

Also, some of those moments are just super fishy even on their own.
Buddhism101
Profile Joined April 2011
United States59 Posts
June 05 2012 03:45 GMT
#1536
Didn't read all 77 pages of this thread, but a really good way to get "evidence" though not definitive proof, is to see if he EVER looks at the fog of war in any of the games he is allegedly cheating in. If he doesn't (because the cheat makes it impossible for camera to show him looking @ fog of war) I'd say that's the most suspicious / incriminating evidence.
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 03:46:13
June 05 2012 03:45 GMT
#1537
On June 05 2012 12:41 Moonling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 12:40 DamageControL wrote:
On June 05 2012 12:37 babylon wrote:
On June 05 2012 12:13 Mirhi wrote:
Well, while it's bad form to throw someone under the bus, I'm just going to do it because all this came out and I have a fact that actually matters.

Spades stream cheated during showmatches that he played while he lived with me at what was the Reign house. It's a carry over from the stream cheating that many Koreans do in the Korean prohouses (Both Spades and Artist have confirmed with me that Koreans frequently stream cheat in team leagues and showmatches against foreigners out of pride).

If ever I saw it happen when I was in the house, I would immediately try to stop them, but I know on occasion it still occured, most notably in a match Spades played against Gatored last year.

About maphacking, I have no idea and have no opinion on the matter other than either option wouldn't surprise me.


I would want to say though, that cheating occurs way more than people realize, and I actually would not be so hard on him for this evidence, even if it is true. Players better than Spades actively cheat, particularly stream cheat or simply ghosting, because of how easy it is.

Example - Leenock was over a player's shoulder at MLG Providence helping them during a game, giving them hints in Korean.

It's pretty common.

..................

Isn't this much more serious than this Spades scandal? o_O

Only because Leenock is much more relevant lol. But I agree.


How does he know he was giving hints in korean? Does this dude even speak korean?

This pitch-fork shit is already enough don't get koreans involved because some guy said he saw leenock talking to some dude in korean "giving him hints" lol

Relevant != true, of course. Just something that can be checked into at a later date. Leenock is, after all, far more decorated than spades.
Liquid | SKT
lowreezy08
Profile Joined June 2011
United States143 Posts
June 05 2012 03:46 GMT
#1538
On June 05 2012 12:44 cArn- wrote:
ok about the siege on the natural, he gets scanned, has mid watch tower, how the fuck can you not understand the very basic thinking that has been made there what the fuck seriously.

There is no reason to have your units at the front when the path to the front is seen by the watch tower, god that's the same thing as being prepared for drops becuase you have map control and can see frontal attacks come... I'm done with this, I feel really sad for anyone who can be convinced by this


you seem to be on spades nuts, it's quite apparent you're biased.

User was temp banned for this post.
sup
knOxStarcraft
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada422 Posts
June 05 2012 03:46 GMT
#1539
On June 05 2012 12:36 Sideburn wrote:
Not a biased stream.

"If you miss this, you are fucking retarded." -Catz

Arbiters of justice right here.

hahaha thank you to give everyone a laugh and lighten the mood sir
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
June 05 2012 03:46 GMT
#1540

On June 05 2012 12:39 shivver wrote:
this is so much fuking bs.. especially catz

"well he sends an scv scout and he never looks at it, it goes in his base and he never checks the scv"

I do this all the damn time, it's because I suck and I can't keep up with simple stuff. I'll all of a sudden look at my minimap and "oh crap my scv is leaving his main"

Anyway, that scv saw everything it needed ( the gas ). Catz is on a witch hunt

Illusion, I never thought I would see this out of you


LOL

this is the dumbest post ive ever seen.
he didnt look at the scv. you say "he saw everything needed (the gas).
yes, he can see 1 gas on the minimap. BUT HE DIDNT CHECK THE 2nd GAS. he didnt see what the buildings were.

and hes a fucking pro not a silver player who "cant keep up with simple stuff" a the 3 minute mark while nothing else happens.

gosh... some bronze players in this thread are horrible.

he maphacks. its proven. deal with it.

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