EPTOn June 05 2012 12:30 Shiori wrote:
Very, very little evidence, honestly.
Very, very little evidence, honestly.
define "lots of evidence" then.
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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here 10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here. 08:47 KST - Summary: Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open. Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims. (also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here) | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
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Peekay.switch
Canada285 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:25 TenJin`Lucian wrote: I just love how people keep asking Catz to open the APM tab to check on what hes doing while "screen locked", and still that is the thing he does not checks. APM is average over a few seconds, I doubt it could be used to notice a major difference during screen locks. | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:29 Parcelleus wrote: No catz and co , your 'hack scan' is what Mvp does all the time, blindly scanning where he think the army will be (to locate army). Keep going. Spades 1 - Catz and co - 0. PS: Your whole argument is saying he cannot scan using the mini-map - which he obviously did. That is not hacking. You're not understanding anything that they're talking about if thats what you think. | ||
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Kkxtrouble
Brazil575 Posts
Not opstimistic about that though. | ||
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Jell
Portugal86 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:29 Parcelleus wrote: No catz and co , your 'hack scan' is what Mvp does all the time, blindly scanning where he think the army will be (to locate army). Keep going. Spades 1 - Catz and co - 0. PS: Your whole argument is saying he cannot scan using the mini-map - which he obviously did. That is not hacking. No, he did something that is actually impossible mechanics wise. | ||
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-Kaiser-
Canada932 Posts
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:27 Grampz wrote: You're missing the fucking point. He allegedly cheated in a SHOWMATCH. FOR MONEY. THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE. Ladder games fine, go cheat your ass off. ladder pts don't mean shit (maybe they do blizz is weird) but when you are playing for money using a hack... ............ First of all you're already assuming he's guilty based on situational evidence. Also, the showmatch wasn't for money. You should read more into the thread before making these posts. | ||
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Trict
Canada182 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:24 Xorphene wrote: Wrong, SC2 is a public e-sport, the community are entitled to have their say and "judgement". Your credibility is on the line Irrelevant. Your wrong it's the teams responsibility not the community. | ||
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Pwnographics
New Zealand1097 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:29 Parcelleus wrote: No catz and co , your 'hack scan' is what Mvp does all the time, blindly scanning where he think the army will be (to locate army). Keep going. Spades 1 - Catz and co - 0. PS: Your whole argument is saying he cannot scan using the mini-map - which he obviously did. That is not hacking. Do you even play SC2? Why would you scroll up then scan the mini-map? Why not just scan the mini-map? | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:29 DamageControL wrote: People treated that post as ev for spades, though On top of the replay analysis. | ||
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BlackKeyStep
Canada2 Posts
On June 05 2012 04:35 ExO_ wrote: What do you define as actual proof though? Short of physically watching somebody load the hack, I don't think you can have what I believe you are referring to as "actual proof". That being said, since the OP only has 1 post, this evidence should be reviewed I'm new to TL. There are other posts saying that the fact that this post is OP's 1st takes away credibility from the post. Why is that? | ||
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worked13
Australia93 Posts
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itsjuspeter
United States668 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:29 Parcelleus wrote: No catz and co , your 'hack scan' is what Mvp does all the time, blindly scanning where he think the army will be (to locate army). Keep going. Spades 1 - Catz and co - 0. PS: Your whole argument is saying he cannot scan using the mini-map - which he obviously did. That is not hacking. Explain to me why in the "hack" games he NEVER LOOKS IN FOG OF WAR? like its weird to play 100% from minimap | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
Actually looking in fog, making strategic decisions (i.e. build decisions) that are not possible to infer from what he's scouted. So far, none of this has happened. Spades took so, so much damage from drops and so on that it's difficult to believe he was actually hacking. Either that or he's the worst hacker ever, and I don't really believe that. | ||
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calmx
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lulutheking
France106 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:30 djshinE wrote: The people who are backing Spades are obviously not watching the stream analysis by Catz/Illusion. stream is biased and till now showed no evidence... | ||
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efren
United States125 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:30 whiterabbit wrote: Why are we still focused on Spades? We have post saying Koreans we all love do cheat even at big LANs like MLG... I am... well... fuck everything if Koreans have to stream cheat and have other player giving them tips in middle of game at LANs... how does that even get allowed?! FUCK ME! exactly this really puts all lan competitions results into question. why aren't ppl more focused on this | ||
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Scisyhp
United States200 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:29 Parcelleus wrote: No catz and co , your 'hack scan' is what Mvp does all the time, blindly scanning where he think the army will be (to locate army). Keep going. Spades 1 - Catz and co - 0. PS: Your whole argument is saying he cannot scan using the mini-map - which he obviously did. That is not hacking. Are you listening at all? The hack scan isn't about the location on the map, it's about how physically he could have instructed the game to perform that task without hacking. | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:29 DamageControL wrote: People treated that post as ev for spades, though Personally I consider the Leenock accusation a MUCH bigger deal but I can understand why people consider it the nail in coffin for one and not other. If that post were all this thread is than no one would condemn Spades on heresay but its just something being piled on which for better or worse happens when an accusation like this comes out. | ||
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:13 Mirhi wrote: Well, while it's bad form to throw someone under the bus, I'm just going to do it because all this came out and I have a fact that actually matters. Spades stream cheated during showmatches that he played while he lived with me at what was the Reign house. It's a carry over from the stream cheating that many Koreans do in the Korean prohouses (Both Spades and Artist have confirmed with me that Koreans frequently stream cheat in team leagues and showmatches against foreigners out of pride). If ever I saw it happen when I was in the house, I would immediately try to stop them, but I know on occasion it still occured, most notably in a match Spades played against Gatored last year. About maphacking, I have no idea and have no opinion on the matter other than either option wouldn't surprise me. I would want to say though, that cheating occurs way more than people realize, and I actually would not be so hard on him for this evidence, even if it is true. Players better than Spades actively cheat, particularly stream cheat or simply ghosting, because of how easy it is. Example - Leenock was over a player's shoulder at MLG Providence helping them during a game, giving them hints in Korean. It's pretty common. DAMN. Here comes the racism. While I think it's a shame that koreans and other pros do this, I also don't blame them, but the environment they exist in. Edit: That said, they need to get the FUCK out of our community. Leave Spades. | ||
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