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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here

10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here.

08:47 KST - Summary:
Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open.

Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims.

(also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here)
FloKi
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1490 Posts
June 04 2012 19:43 GMT
#81
I guess some people never learn.
Where do whores go?
masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
June 04 2012 19:44 GMT
#82
On June 05 2012 04:40 LoraX wrote:
Spades is honestly a huge piece of shit, and constantly disgracing the community with shit like this plus his racist comments towards koreans in the past. Honestly can't wait for this loser to disappear.


honestly you don't know the background of that comment. There was a big bm fight between Hwangsin and Spades, and spades only said the comment after a lot of egging on by hwangsin. and Spades said sorry almost instantly.

This community loves to witch hunt so much that its seriously annoying. Lets first take a deep breath and approach this rationally.
Gardel
Profile Joined April 2011
Mexico220 Posts
June 04 2012 19:44 GMT
#83
I can´t stop refreshing this thread, a new comment every second. We need a confirmation fast!
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Iroh
Profile Joined February 2011
England48 Posts
June 04 2012 19:44 GMT
#84
On June 05 2012 04:30 YouthSC wrote:
really funny that lucifron won even with spades hacking. grats!
Thank you for the research, will watch the replays.


Hacking may give a MASSIVE advantage. But if you generally can make more units and get more econ up you can win straight out games even against a hacker, especially if you are not relying on a trick.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
everytimee
Profile Joined May 2010
United States122 Posts
June 04 2012 19:44 GMT
#85
this seems like trash because watching the first two replays nothing weird is going on.
Dauntless
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway548 Posts
June 04 2012 19:44 GMT
#86
If these claims are correct, then Spades is a pathetic, pathetic little man..
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Msr
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)495 Posts
June 04 2012 19:44 GMT
#87
On June 05 2012 04:42 aike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 04:38 Holytornados wrote:
On June 05 2012 04:37 aike wrote:
I haven't watched the replays here because I can't right now... but reading your descriptions makes me lol. You are basically describing the way a low level progamer plays. Nothing you have said is conclusive and it's kinda BM to just come out and call somebody a hacker without actual proof. I've seen plenty of games where idra minimizes in the middle to talk with stream chat or w/e. So there's plenty of reasons somebody could have to not be doing anything with the camera just sitting there. The key is to see if anything is actually happening while the camera is just sitting there with no APM... like if his units are being micro'd but there's no APM.


You don't think un-siegeing a fortified position to go defend a base that you did not know was soon to be attacked is suspicious?

Several instances of this in the same game is not gosu game sense, it's pretty strong evidence to some sort of cheating.


On June 05 2012 04:38 VPFaith wrote:
"2:14 He sends the SCV without looking at where he's sending it and the camera gets blocked for 4 secs. However, he doesn't even look at LucifroN's base when the SCV reach it."

That's a big giveaway to map hack... because at grandmaster level, if you don't even have the apm to micro your scouting scv, you should not be in GM. Period.


This too.


I'm sure if you watched replays of flash in BW you'd think shit he did was suspicious too. So sure, I think some of this stuff is suspicious, but none of it is conclusive.



Ok I realize you might not play at the level to see why things he does is hack opposed to game sense and other things, but any average-skilled player will see what he did/does as maphack. He has hacked in the past yet you give him the benefit of the doubt? Pathetic imo...
avc
Profile Joined December 2011
121 Posts
June 04 2012 19:44 GMT
#88
Such things will only become more common in online competitive play.
Holytornados
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1022 Posts
June 04 2012 19:44 GMT
#89
On June 05 2012 04:42 aike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 04:38 Holytornados wrote:
On June 05 2012 04:37 aike wrote:
I haven't watched the replays here because I can't right now... but reading your descriptions makes me lol. You are basically describing the way a low level progamer plays. Nothing you have said is conclusive and it's kinda BM to just come out and call somebody a hacker without actual proof. I've seen plenty of games where idra minimizes in the middle to talk with stream chat or w/e. So there's plenty of reasons somebody could have to not be doing anything with the camera just sitting there. The key is to see if anything is actually happening while the camera is just sitting there with no APM... like if his units are being micro'd but there's no APM.


You don't think un-siegeing a fortified position to go defend a base that you did not know was soon to be attacked is suspicious?

Several instances of this in the same game is not gosu game sense, it's pretty strong evidence to some sort of cheating.


On June 05 2012 04:38 VPFaith wrote:
"2:14 He sends the SCV without looking at where he's sending it and the camera gets blocked for 4 secs. However, he doesn't even look at LucifroN's base when the SCV reach it."

That's a big giveaway to map hack... because at grandmaster level, if you don't even have the apm to micro your scouting scv, you should not be in GM. Period.


This too.


I'm sure if you watched replays of flash in BW you'd think shit he did was suspicious too. So sure, I think some of this stuff is suspicious, but none of it is conclusive.



Spades /= Flash.

Also, Spades has a history of shady things like hacking. I'm not good enough to call whether it is hacking or not, but I think it's at the very least suspicious.
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Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
June 04 2012 19:45 GMT
#90
On June 05 2012 04:44 masterbreti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 04:40 LoraX wrote:
Spades is honestly a huge piece of shit, and constantly disgracing the community with shit like this plus his racist comments towards koreans in the past. Honestly can't wait for this loser to disappear.


honestly you don't know the background of that comment. There was a big bm fight between Hwangsin and Spades, and spades only said the comment after a lot of egging on by hwangsin. and Spades said sorry almost instantly.

This community loves to witch hunt so much that its seriously annoying. Lets first take a deep breath and approach this rationally.


This times 1000. There's going to be irrational people going nuts over this but people assuming stuff without conclusive evidence is not cool.
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
June 04 2012 19:45 GMT
#91
Did anyone else watch the replays? I agree that there is a lot of circumctances to believe that's it happend only by chance, but i have to say a lot of the things you wrote in the post are exaggarated and reading too much into maphack but on the other hand some are really suspicious.
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
Shirolol
Profile Joined April 2010
England504 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 19:48:24
June 04 2012 19:45 GMT
#92
Ok so unlike 9/10 of these posts I have actually started watching these replays (And have a level of game understanding to scrutinize them.) but I have stopped. Because to me it seems highly likely he is using a third party program of some kind, if you just totally ignore the OP and watch the replays in an analytical way you might be surprised at how strange some of the things he does in game - the marines at watchtowers and these screen locks are the 2 main things that just slap me in the face with a WTF?

Watch any high level player, not even terran and just see how they move around the map with their camera. Spades doesn't look anywhere he doesn't have vision, EVER. Not even to move his scout, move his marines to/from watch towers - nothing.
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Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 19:47:21
June 04 2012 19:45 GMT
#93
On June 05 2012 04:44 masterbreti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 04:40 LoraX wrote:
Spades is honestly a huge piece of shit, and constantly disgracing the community with shit like this plus his racist comments towards koreans in the past. Honestly can't wait for this loser to disappear.


honestly you don't know the background of that comment. There was a big bm fight between Hwangsin and Spades, and spades only said the comment after a lot of egging on by hwangsin. and Spades said sorry almost instantly.

This community loves to witch hunt so much that its seriously annoying. Lets first take a deep breath and approach this rationally.

Not that I'm defending his racist comments, but it's his history of being a hacker in that past that seem relevant to this. It's not necessarily true that "once a hacker, always a hacker", but it's a relatively good rough rule, especially with someone with Spades' personality, so it's not at all surprising to see him hacking again.

Thread with Spades being caught in the past: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=69911
Pantythief
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark657 Posts
June 04 2012 19:46 GMT
#94
This isn't news.
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Mantraz
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway119 Posts
June 04 2012 19:46 GMT
#95
given history and a 9 second camera lock, i feel this is pretty safe to conclude... :/
dani`
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands2402 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 19:47:47
June 04 2012 19:46 GMT
#96
Seems like you have done a pretty thorough job researching this. Though be careful with bringing up stuff like below as evidence:

10:45 He gets 2 marines to send them to the xel'naga, however, his camera doesn't move to the center of the map, it gets blocked on his army.


It's not uncommon to use the minimap to send units to a certain area, thus not moving your camera while doing so really doesn't proof anything.
Holytornados
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1022 Posts
June 04 2012 19:47 GMT
#97
On June 05 2012 04:46 Pantythief wrote:
This isn't news.


It's news that he is using them in show matches.
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mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
June 04 2012 19:47 GMT
#98
alright let's stop saying "disgusting if it's true" or "spades is shit" that doesn't add anything to this post. we need to approach this rationally and let's avoid the name-calling and such until we are sure it is true.
Tigi
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany472 Posts
June 04 2012 19:47 GMT
#99
On June 05 2012 04:45 Insane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 04:44 masterbreti wrote:
On June 05 2012 04:40 LoraX wrote:
Spades is honestly a huge piece of shit, and constantly disgracing the community with shit like this plus his racist comments towards koreans in the past. Honestly can't wait for this loser to disappear.


honestly you don't know the background of that comment. There was a big bm fight between Hwangsin and Spades, and spades only said the comment after a lot of egging on by hwangsin. and Spades said sorry almost instantly.

This community loves to witch hunt so much that its seriously annoying. Lets first take a deep breath and approach this rationally.

Not that I'm defending his racist comments, but it's his history of being a hacker in that past that seem relevant to this. It's not necessarily true that "once a hacker, always a hacker", but it's a relatively good rough rule, especially with someone with Spades' personality, so it's not at all surprising to see him hacking again.

I bet TT1 hacks as well...
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aike
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1629 Posts
June 04 2012 19:47 GMT
#100
On June 05 2012 04:44 Msr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 04:42 aike wrote:
On June 05 2012 04:38 Holytornados wrote:
On June 05 2012 04:37 aike wrote:
I haven't watched the replays here because I can't right now... but reading your descriptions makes me lol. You are basically describing the way a low level progamer plays. Nothing you have said is conclusive and it's kinda BM to just come out and call somebody a hacker without actual proof. I've seen plenty of games where idra minimizes in the middle to talk with stream chat or w/e. So there's plenty of reasons somebody could have to not be doing anything with the camera just sitting there. The key is to see if anything is actually happening while the camera is just sitting there with no APM... like if his units are being micro'd but there's no APM.


You don't think un-siegeing a fortified position to go defend a base that you did not know was soon to be attacked is suspicious?

Several instances of this in the same game is not gosu game sense, it's pretty strong evidence to some sort of cheating.


On June 05 2012 04:38 VPFaith wrote:
"2:14 He sends the SCV without looking at where he's sending it and the camera gets blocked for 4 secs. However, he doesn't even look at LucifroN's base when the SCV reach it."

That's a big giveaway to map hack... because at grandmaster level, if you don't even have the apm to micro your scouting scv, you should not be in GM. Period.


This too.


I'm sure if you watched replays of flash in BW you'd think shit he did was suspicious too. So sure, I think some of this stuff is suspicious, but none of it is conclusive.



Ok I realize you might not play at the level to see why things he does is hack opposed to game sense and other things, but any average-skilled player will see what he did/does as maphack. He has hacked in the past yet you give him the benefit of the doubt? Pathetic imo...


I give him the benefit of the doubt over a 1 post account any day of the week. This has nothing to do with my skill level, nice try bringing that into the conversation though. The things he does in these games are suspicious, nothing more. Anytime you actually look for suspicious behavior in games, you will find it. From bronze league to GM to bonjwa you will always find something that seems suspicious, so this is not enough to convict somebody of hacking.
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