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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here

10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here.

08:47 KST - Summary:
Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open.

Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims.

(also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here)
Josh_rakoons
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom1158 Posts
June 04 2012 19:47 GMT
#101
On June 05 2012 04:46 Pantythief wrote:
This isn't news.

Well. It is. Because a pro gamer is hacking.
Pantythief
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark657 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 19:47:46
June 04 2012 19:47 GMT
#102
On June 05 2012 04:47 Holytornados wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 04:46 Pantythief wrote:
This isn't news.


It's news that he is using them in show matches.


Since when is that news?
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luciusvlm
Profile Joined May 2011
Spain134 Posts
June 04 2012 19:47 GMT
#103
well i saw the games and was very strange about the counters,the positions and that a player like lucifron with one of the best TvT in europe(happy and kas very good aswell) cant beat easy spades
mewbert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States291 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 19:48:54
June 04 2012 19:47 GMT
#104
wow what a pathetic person anyone who ever cheats should be banished from the sc community.

and to cheat in a showmatch is even more pathetic
INCHymn
Profile Joined February 2012
United States26 Posts
June 04 2012 19:47 GMT
#105
People need to stop frustrating themselves over this. They will never be able to use it in tournaments that matter.
arew
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Lithuania1861 Posts
June 04 2012 19:48 GMT
#106
Or he simply hacks or he simply stream cheats. One from two. I don't wonder at all, I've been watching stream yesterday and been asking for the stream delay, to make it sure. At least I was not the only one who found it suspicious.
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Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
June 04 2012 19:48 GMT
#107
On June 05 2012 04:47 Tigi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 04:45 Insane wrote:
On June 05 2012 04:44 masterbreti wrote:
On June 05 2012 04:40 LoraX wrote:
Spades is honestly a huge piece of shit, and constantly disgracing the community with shit like this plus his racist comments towards koreans in the past. Honestly can't wait for this loser to disappear.


honestly you don't know the background of that comment. There was a big bm fight between Hwangsin and Spades, and spades only said the comment after a lot of egging on by hwangsin. and Spades said sorry almost instantly.

This community loves to witch hunt so much that its seriously annoying. Lets first take a deep breath and approach this rationally.

Not that I'm defending his racist comments, but it's his history of being a hacker in that past that seem relevant to this. It's not necessarily true that "once a hacker, always a hacker", but it's a relatively good rough rule, especially with someone with Spades' personality, so it's not at all surprising to see him hacking again.

I bet TT1 hacks as well...

I haven't seen any evidence of TT1 hacking, and I'm willing to believe he no longer hacks. That's why I called it a rough rule. But I would be less surprised if TT1 started hacking, than if someone else like Idra started hacking, simply because there is a relatively high percentage of re-offense amongst hackers, compared to first time offenders.
nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 19:49:19
June 04 2012 19:49 GMT
#108
On June 05 2012 04:47 Tigi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 04:45 Insane wrote:
On June 05 2012 04:44 masterbreti wrote:
On June 05 2012 04:40 LoraX wrote:
Spades is honestly a huge piece of shit, and constantly disgracing the community with shit like this plus his racist comments towards koreans in the past. Honestly can't wait for this loser to disappear.


honestly you don't know the background of that comment. There was a big bm fight between Hwangsin and Spades, and spades only said the comment after a lot of egging on by hwangsin. and Spades said sorry almost instantly.

This community loves to witch hunt so much that its seriously annoying. Lets first take a deep breath and approach this rationally.

Not that I'm defending his racist comments, but it's his history of being a hacker in that past that seem relevant to this. It's not necessarily true that "once a hacker, always a hacker", but it's a relatively good rough rule, especially with someone with Spades' personality, so it's not at all surprising to see him hacking again.

I bet TT1 hacks as well...

spades didnt beat nada in korea, on TV.
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Holytornados
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1022 Posts
June 04 2012 19:49 GMT
#109
On June 05 2012 04:47 aike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 04:44 Msr wrote:
On June 05 2012 04:42 aike wrote:
On June 05 2012 04:38 Holytornados wrote:
On June 05 2012 04:37 aike wrote:
I haven't watched the replays here because I can't right now... but reading your descriptions makes me lol. You are basically describing the way a low level progamer plays. Nothing you have said is conclusive and it's kinda BM to just come out and call somebody a hacker without actual proof. I've seen plenty of games where idra minimizes in the middle to talk with stream chat or w/e. So there's plenty of reasons somebody could have to not be doing anything with the camera just sitting there. The key is to see if anything is actually happening while the camera is just sitting there with no APM... like if his units are being micro'd but there's no APM.


You don't think un-siegeing a fortified position to go defend a base that you did not know was soon to be attacked is suspicious?

Several instances of this in the same game is not gosu game sense, it's pretty strong evidence to some sort of cheating.


On June 05 2012 04:38 VPFaith wrote:
"2:14 He sends the SCV without looking at where he's sending it and the camera gets blocked for 4 secs. However, he doesn't even look at LucifroN's base when the SCV reach it."

That's a big giveaway to map hack... because at grandmaster level, if you don't even have the apm to micro your scouting scv, you should not be in GM. Period.


This too.


I'm sure if you watched replays of flash in BW you'd think shit he did was suspicious too. So sure, I think some of this stuff is suspicious, but none of it is conclusive.



Ok I realize you might not play at the level to see why things he does is hack opposed to game sense and other things, but any average-skilled player will see what he did/does as maphack. He has hacked in the past yet you give him the benefit of the doubt? Pathetic imo...


I give him the benefit of the doubt over a 1 post account any day of the week. This has nothing to do with my skill level, nice try bringing that into the conversation though. The things he does in these games are suspicious, nothing more. Anytime you actually look for suspicious behavior in games, you will find it. From bronze league to GM to bonjwa you will always find something that seems suspicious, so this is not enough to convict somebody of hacking.


Did you watch the replays? Or are you blindly defending like a lot of people blindly attack figures in this community. Everyone needs to see the replays to make their own decision.

That said, the replays show very suspicious activity, enough so to convince me.
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Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
June 04 2012 19:49 GMT
#110
On June 05 2012 04:47 INCHymn wrote:
People need to stop frustrating themselves over this. They will never be able to use it in tournaments that matter.


What a ridiculous comment. Of course they can use it in tournaments!!!
masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
June 04 2012 19:49 GMT
#111
On June 05 2012 04:45 Insane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 04:44 masterbreti wrote:
On June 05 2012 04:40 LoraX wrote:
Spades is honestly a huge piece of shit, and constantly disgracing the community with shit like this plus his racist comments towards koreans in the past. Honestly can't wait for this loser to disappear.


honestly you don't know the background of that comment. There was a big bm fight between Hwangsin and Spades, and spades only said the comment after a lot of egging on by hwangsin. and Spades said sorry almost instantly.

This community loves to witch hunt so much that its seriously annoying. Lets first take a deep breath and approach this rationally.

Not that I'm defending his racist comments, but it's his history of being a hacker in that past that seem relevant to this. It's not necessarily true that "once a hacker, always a hacker", but it's a relatively good rough rule, especially with someone with Spades' personality, so it's not at all surprising to see him hacking again.


but you have to remember a lot of people hacked in bw. and only 3 of them get any shit from it. Dimaga hacked, haypro hacked. both players who are crowd favorites nowadays.

I'm just saying that a lot of people have history, and I don't think any current sc2 pro has never hacked a multiplayer game in their life. everyone does stupid shit, we shouldn't say that because someone did it 4-5 years ago means they would do it again just as quickly.

Lets just think everything through before going all apeshit on Spades.
CrazyF1r3f0x
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2120 Posts
June 04 2012 19:49 GMT
#112
I wonder if he cheated v iSAxslav in ChanmanV's Procorner; didn't seem like it, but you never know.
"Actual happiness always looks pretty squalid in comparison with the overcompensations for misery."
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
June 04 2012 19:50 GMT
#113
You certainly did your research. Well done.
Pantythief
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark657 Posts
June 04 2012 19:50 GMT
#114
On June 05 2012 04:49 SimDawg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 04:47 INCHymn wrote:
People need to stop frustrating themselves over this. They will never be able to use it in tournaments that matter.


What a ridiculous comment. Of course they can use it in tournaments!!!


"Hey MLG guys, ya, here's what, I'm just gonna install this..eh...software...thing..it won't take long, k, thx."

Nah..
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Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
June 04 2012 19:50 GMT
#115
I watched some of the replays very swiftly and this combined to the fact that the OP has only one post makes me think it's just a smear campaign.
Holytornados
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1022 Posts
June 04 2012 19:50 GMT
#116
On June 05 2012 04:47 Pantythief wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 04:47 Holytornados wrote:
On June 05 2012 04:46 Pantythief wrote:
This isn't news.


It's news that he is using them in show matches.


Since when is that news?


Do you have a link to another time that Spades has hacking in a pro tournament/showmatch?
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hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 19:51:23
June 04 2012 19:51 GMT
#117
All the massive "camera blocks" are huge tells.. A good maphacker would use only the minimap and production tab and that would be plenty of an advantage, so this is just silly. Been wondering when the first hacking pro would get caught (not that these are inconclusive evidences, there might be some explanation..)
teaCher
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada521 Posts
June 04 2012 19:51 GMT
#118
Does spades have anything to say?
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Samp
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada783 Posts
June 04 2012 19:51 GMT
#119
well, thats strange.
Banelings, "They're cute, they live in a nest". -Artosis
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
June 04 2012 19:51 GMT
#120
On June 05 2012 04:50 Pantythief wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 04:49 SimDawg wrote:
On June 05 2012 04:47 INCHymn wrote:
People need to stop frustrating themselves over this. They will never be able to use it in tournaments that matter.


What a ridiculous comment. Of course they can use it in tournaments!!!


"Hey MLG guys, ya, here's what, I'm just gonna install this..eh...software...thing..it won't take long, k, thx."

Nah..

Online tournaments.
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