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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here

10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here.

08:47 KST - Summary:
Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open.

Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims.

(also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here)
Jarvs
Profile Joined December 2009
Australia639 Posts
June 04 2012 19:40 GMT
#61
I'd like some people to review this before Spades is publicly crucified without confirmation. The original poster is clearly smurfing to keep his identity secret as calling someone out like this is huge with complications if they're found to be wrong.

'Til then I'm reserving my opinion.
LoraX
Profile Joined November 2010
69 Posts
June 04 2012 19:40 GMT
#62
Spades is honestly a huge piece of shit, and constantly disgracing the community with shit like this plus his racist comments towards koreans in the past. Honestly can't wait for this loser to disappear.

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CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
June 04 2012 19:41 GMT
#63
wow i read all of that... sounds really fucking suspicious...
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stalife
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada1222 Posts
June 04 2012 19:41 GMT
#64
what is a camera block?
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GreyishTommy
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland147 Posts
June 04 2012 19:41 GMT
#65
It wasn't hacking, he had an obsever!
LOLOLOLOL

Joke aside, i don't know spades, but it seems pretty obvious that he cheated
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Gardel
Profile Joined April 2011
Mexico220 Posts
June 04 2012 19:41 GMT
#66
On June 05 2012 04:40 LoraX wrote:
Spades is honestly a huge piece of shit, and constantly disgracing the community with shit like this plus his racist comments towards koreans in the past. Honestly can't wait for this loser to disappear.


I would only agree to this if all the allegations are real and confirmed. If they do, then yes.
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teaCher
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada521 Posts
June 04 2012 19:41 GMT
#67
Once a hacker, always a hacker, i think this all may be true
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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
June 04 2012 19:41 GMT
#68
what does camera "block" mean?
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
June 04 2012 19:41 GMT
#69
On June 05 2012 04:39 masterbreti wrote:
To be honest, I really don't think spades would be one to be hacking. He has spent a large amount of his time in starcraft 2 trying to rid himself of that reputation. I would fine it very hard to think spades would be one to do so.

'hes hacked so many times before that people think hes a fucking piece of shit. obviously he wouldnt do it again!'
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Demicore
Profile Joined October 2011
France503 Posts
June 04 2012 19:42 GMT
#70
Wow this is convincing, thanks for the investigative work... this is scary... I saw him beat Axslav in a Chanman showmatch last month... disgusting if true
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aike
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1629 Posts
June 04 2012 19:42 GMT
#71
On June 05 2012 04:38 Holytornados wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 04:37 aike wrote:
I haven't watched the replays here because I can't right now... but reading your descriptions makes me lol. You are basically describing the way a low level progamer plays. Nothing you have said is conclusive and it's kinda BM to just come out and call somebody a hacker without actual proof. I've seen plenty of games where idra minimizes in the middle to talk with stream chat or w/e. So there's plenty of reasons somebody could have to not be doing anything with the camera just sitting there. The key is to see if anything is actually happening while the camera is just sitting there with no APM... like if his units are being micro'd but there's no APM.


You don't think un-siegeing a fortified position to go defend a base that you did not know was soon to be attacked is suspicious?

Several instances of this in the same game is not gosu game sense, it's pretty strong evidence to some sort of cheating.


Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 04:38 VPFaith wrote:
"2:14 He sends the SCV without looking at where he's sending it and the camera gets blocked for 4 secs. However, he doesn't even look at LucifroN's base when the SCV reach it."

That's a big giveaway to map hack... because at grandmaster level, if you don't even have the apm to micro your scouting scv, you should not be in GM. Period.


This too.


I'm sure if you watched replays of flash in BW you'd think shit he did was suspicious too. So sure, I think some of this stuff is suspicious, but none of it is conclusive.
Wahaha
roym899
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany426 Posts
June 04 2012 19:42 GMT
#72
On June 05 2012 04:41 iNcontroL wrote:
what does camera "block" mean?
The cam will lock in the place where he activates it and then you won't see when he looks into the fog of war. Instead you only see him doing nothing.
Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
June 04 2012 19:42 GMT
#73
On June 05 2012 04:41 iNcontroL wrote:
what does camera "block" mean?


The camera stays in one place for a long time because the program is keeping it there while he looks at his maphack.
tribulator
Profile Joined February 2011
774 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 19:43:34
June 04 2012 19:42 GMT
#74
Not cool considering a lot of pros who've been busted hacking/cheating and have -cleaned up- in SC2 have been working hard to distance themselves from the "always a hacker" generalization. In this case, it seems spades played right into it.

He sure talked a lot of shit for a hacker, though.
Holytornados
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1022 Posts
June 04 2012 19:42 GMT
#75
On June 05 2012 04:41 stalife wrote:
what is a camera block?


Read the first paragraph of the OP for a detailed definition.
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FinalForm
Profile Joined August 2010
United States450 Posts
June 04 2012 19:43 GMT
#76
Maybe he was just eating
Sadform
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom79 Posts
June 04 2012 19:43 GMT
#77
On June 05 2012 04:41 iNcontroL wrote:
what does camera "block" mean?


From what I gather, when you watch the rep in his view whenever spades would be looking in the Fog of war the camera locks into the last position, previously not in the fog of war.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 19:45:08
June 04 2012 19:43 GMT
#78
On June 05 2012 04:41 iNcontroL wrote:
what does camera "block" mean?

Most maphacks lock the camera in replays so it looks like your just twiddling your prick, staring at your command center while you freely peruse the entire map sans FOW..

-I don't see anything in the first replay that couldn't be explained under exceptionally strange circumstances. Yeah he doesn't even look at his scouting scv, yeah he has e-han timing with an ebay and yeah he positions his vikings with god level starsense.

He also reacts like complete garbage for someone that supposedly has complete knowledge of what his opponent is doing under FOW. I'm not sold; moving on to the next replay.
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NrG.ZaM
Profile Joined March 2008
United States267 Posts
June 04 2012 19:43 GMT
#79
Man lucifron is a fucking beast
playLoud
Profile Joined April 2012
United States114 Posts
June 04 2012 19:43 GMT
#80
this also kinda explains why spades always goes for super long games. its easy to get caught hacking if you actually blindly cheese people all day, but when you just sit at home and try to match their macro its pretty hard to get caught.
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