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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.

Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 12 2015 21:13 GMT
#9381
On April 13 2015 06:03 Jinchu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2015 06:01 Attunga wrote:
I have viewed the vods in question as well as reading all of the analysis here and taking careful note of some of the streamers out there streaming with two monitors.

I think it highlights a few points:
  • It is obvious that Winter was just doing what all streamers do. Many of them will look of screen checking their chats and Winter definitely views and responds to his chats during his play
  • Winter just outplays avilo, his multitasking seems to be far better. I don't think he needs a hack to beat avilo, he is just a far better player. I didn't realise that before all this came out.
  • I can't imagine that a hack out there actually exists for LoTV, checking the known hack sites they do seem to be specific to certain game versions.
  • It just does not make sense for someone like Winter (or anyone) to use a hack in the middle of the beta as those players that are in it are quite visible, it would not only end the account they use but make them know to Blizzard personally as a hacker - you would have to be batshit crazy to use hacks right now.

Winter has handled himself really well throughout this, as someone who is a big and exclusive SC2 fan, I find it really sad to see these kinds of attacks, they really do bring everyone down.

I think the only solution is a monitored show match, let em sort it out and prove that Winter is a far better player than Avilo ... make him eat his sox and apologise for all of the attacks.


This. A carefully monitored showmatch. With TB casting. Oh the lols.


Not in a million years
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55568 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-12 21:14:17
April 12 2015 21:13 GMT
#9382
On April 13 2015 05:56 TotalBiscuit wrote:
If it had come from anyone other than Avilo it might have been taken seriously but Avilo accuses like 5 people a day of maphacking, he is the boy who cried wolf far too many times.

But you know how that story ends, right? People should take it seriously no matter who accuses whom. Avilo came here asking for opinions and got immediately ridiculed for being avilo and accusing Winter. That's really not productive :S.

Can always come back and laugh in his face when it turns out he's wrong though.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
April 12 2015 21:14 GMT
#9383
On April 13 2015 06:11 avilo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2015 05:56 TotalBiscuit wrote:
If it had come from anyone other than Avilo it might have been taken seriously but Avilo accuses like 5 people a day of maphacking, he is the boy who cried wolf far too many times.


Not going to get into it. People can look at the evidence, too many posts in this thread are random flames/attacks on character, which has literally nothing to do with what was posted.

+ Show Spoiler +
to keep thread on-topic, i'll keep this to spoiler i never have "cried wolf" about hackers. There was a span of 1-2 months where almost every other game imbaqq players and other barcode hackers were stream sniping my stream and there was a huge influx of hackers on ladder. As for people saying "oh but u called demuslim or so n so a hacker" once again context. I played him around the same time, he was on a barcode, and i was being heavily metagamed and had no clue whether it was a legit barcode or not. Context matters.

come on man it's not even flaming or an attack on your character at this point, it's just how you are, you see and accuse anyone and everyone of maphack... you just can't be taken seriously because of that, not to mention your evidence are shaky at best
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
April 12 2015 21:20 GMT
#9384
On April 13 2015 06:13 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2015 05:56 TotalBiscuit wrote:
If it had come from anyone other than Avilo it might have been taken seriously but Avilo accuses like 5 people a day of maphacking, he is the boy who cried wolf far too many times.

But you know how that story ends, right? People should take it seriously no matter who accuses whom. Avilo came here asking for opinions and got immediately ridiculed for being avilo and accusing Winter. That's really not productive :S.

Can always come back and laugh in his face when it turns out he's wrong though.

everybody except TB did both watching replays for evidence and called out avilo, not just ridiculed him for being who he is
sc2chronic
Profile Joined May 2012
United States777 Posts
April 12 2015 21:21 GMT
#9385
On April 13 2015 04:35 sc2chronic wrote: avilo - you have to admit that you do in fact accuse many people as hackers/cheaters, more so than the average player. denying that is an exercise in futility, and it will not help your case.

On April 13 2015 04:39 avilo wrote: None of this has anything to do with the evidence presented.


On April 13 2015 06:11 avilo wrote: to keep thread on-topic, i'll keep this to spoiler i never have "cried wolf" about hackers. There was a span of 1-2 months where almost every other game imbaqq players and other barcode hackers were stream sniping my stream and there was a huge influx of hackers on ladder. As for people saying "oh but u called demuslim or so n so a hacker" once again context. I played him around the same time, he was on a barcode, and i was being heavily metagamed and had no clue whether it was a legit barcode or not. Context matters.


There you go, again!

I only came here for the entertainment. I dont have to help you out at all but youre practically lying to yourself now.
terrible, terrible, damage
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55568 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-12 21:27:01
April 12 2015 21:25 GMT
#9386
On April 13 2015 06:20 ROOTFayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2015 06:13 Elentos wrote:
On April 13 2015 05:56 TotalBiscuit wrote:
If it had come from anyone other than Avilo it might have been taken seriously but Avilo accuses like 5 people a day of maphacking, he is the boy who cried wolf far too many times.

But you know how that story ends, right? People should take it seriously no matter who accuses whom. Avilo came here asking for opinions and got immediately ridiculed for being avilo and accusing Winter. That's really not productive :S.

Can always come back and laugh in his face when it turns out he's wrong though.

everybody except TB did both watching replays for evidence and called out avilo, not just ridiculed him for being who he is

I hardly find that claim believable but I'll be damned if I go through 8 pages of nothing productive happening to see if you're right <.<. However, I distinctly remember a lot of very short responses with very little content that mostly served to make fun of avilo. And those are rather pointless, no?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
April 12 2015 21:35 GMT
#9387
I think it musn't be overlooked that it's avilo claiming maphack, still people are taking the time to look at the replays and the timestamps he provided
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
April 12 2015 21:39 GMT
#9388
On April 13 2015 06:11 avilo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2015 05:56 TotalBiscuit wrote:
If it had come from anyone other than Avilo it might have been taken seriously but Avilo accuses like 5 people a day of maphacking, he is the boy who cried wolf far too many times.


Not going to get into it. People can look at the evidence, too many posts in this thread are random flames/attacks on character, which has literally nothing to do with what was posted.

+ Show Spoiler +
to keep thread on-topic, i'll keep this to spoiler i never have "cried wolf" about hackers. There was a span of 1-2 months where almost every other game imbaqq players and other barcode hackers were stream sniping my stream and there was a huge influx of hackers on ladder. As for people saying "oh but u called demuslim or so n so a hacker" once again context. I played him around the same time, he was on a barcode, and i was being heavily metagamed and had no clue whether it was a legit barcode or not. Context matters.


That's interesting you accused DeMulism when you were being "heavily metagamed" so I guess that means it was impossible to tell the difference between hacking and "heavily metagaming"? So basically you interpreted something as hacking due to your confirmation bias when in fact there was ample room for another interpretation. And your sample size was 1 or 2 games.

Shocker.
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
April 12 2015 21:45 GMT
#9389
Maximus vs winter g1 echo LE:
Replay: http://drop.sc/396104

2:25
Looking into fog of war at zealot, waypoint command used through zealot

3:53
You decide to scout your own third with an SCV, clicking to maximusblack'sunits. Same waypoint command issued after a few manual clicks and you look through the fog of war at his pylon/stalkers

6:03
Decides to take a peek at the pylon at your third to see if maximus still has his units there or not

7:20
You scan his main...ok, but you then actually select his robotics bay, and then you select his robo facility...what reason do you have to click on his robotics facility? No player ever does this because clicking on it does not tell you what is building in it...but sure

11:00
Looking into fog of war without selecting CC to scan

11:46
You are actually looking at his units through the fog of war

11:50
You are again looking at units through the fog of war at the natural of maximus black

12:24
You had been dropping this entire time, now maximus moves all of his units from his natural and is going for a full counter across the map

You path your marine marauder at the bottom of the map away from his units

12:34/12:35
Ok, now suddenly your camera moves to the center of the map to the middle of no where...to where maximus is moving his entire army.

You seem to have completely stopped dropping along with this, yet you have no idea where his units can be right now.

Every time before this you always look through fog of war, and always 100% seem to know where maximusblack's units are while prepping drops.

Another case of looking through the fog of war and seeing unit positions.

Maximus vs winter g2 orbital shipyard:
Replay: http://drop.sc/395945

3:43
winter again selects robo to see what's building?

4:31
winter looking into the fog of war at maximus black's base

4:53
another quick sneak peek into maximus black's base

5:09
Looks into maximus black's base again...this time a full sweep through the fog of war, does not even select an overlord during this time to sac into the base

5:14
While obviously normal to rally units to front base, winter begins selecting and moving roaches as maximus selects and moves his army preparing for the attack

9:33
mutas selected, going to attack? Mutas clicked to maximus black's army at the natural, then winter intentionally looks into the fog of war at maximus units, decides it will be a better idea to go harrass the back base, all without any vision

9:36-9:37
For some reason, the units you sent down to potentially break the rocks start clicking towards maximus black's army through the fog of war. The move commands seem intentionally directed towards where maximusblack's army is moving, almost as if following them through fog of war

Maximus Black vs winter CodaLE:
Replay: http://drop.sc/396085
Proxy DT game

Short game, he scouts maximus is 1 base, goes to search for the proxy only on the left side of the map...luck again? 50/50 shot

I only list this game because of the next game...

Maximus Black vs winter iron fortress
Replay: http://drop.sc/396181
Proxy Stargate Game
And yes MaximusBlack is known for cheesing and proxy stargates, just read on and check it yourself.

2:42
marine given meticulous scouting commands given to search top for proxy, winter centers/moves his screen repeatedly to issue these commands

2:43
Actually, winter now accidentally move commands both of his marines to the center watch tower

2:47-2:48 (watch this part of the replay twice to catch this)
winter's screen is now locked at his natural, and he miraculously has decided to change the method in which he will give this marine commands.

With screen locked at his natural winter is issuing commands to his marine without ever moving his camera as he meticulously did before.

Quickly and accurately he queues up way points to the proxied stargate while his screen is locked.

This is drastically different than the initial time he sent a marine to "search" for the proxy stargate at 2:42.

2:55
Winter realizes he has accidentally overridden his initial marine scouting path and like at 2:42 to the area where the stargate is not, he meticulously moves his camera while manually setting each way point. Same as the first time, no screen lock this time, and he does it much slower.

3:00
winter's marine now has vision of the proxied stargate and he barely even reacts to it until 3:05

3:09
winter's camera actually jumps to check what the other dot on the mini-map is that is out of vision and he stares at it - which is maximus black's probe he then pans his camera back up to the stargate


Winter VS mazarro:
Replay: http://drop.sc/395995

5:20
Winter clicks his phoenix across the map to his opponent's natural as everyone normally does when sending phoenix across the map, you pick a point and go

Around this time you can see Mafarazzo does the same, as this is standard when sending a unit across the map

5:23
Winter now is selecting his phoenix and right clicking in line with his opponent's phoenix on the mini-map. He now changes their move command to the center of the map

5:24
Mafarazzo selects his phoenix and re-orients it towards winter's natural once again standard amongst 99% players he is just resetting the move command across the map. He does this without looking at his phoenix, which is normal

5:26
Winter Selects and centers his camera on his phoenix in the center of the map. Rather than resetting another move command across the map, winter apparently knows something none of us do and he begins issuing multiple move commands towards mafarazzo's phoenix

5:27
If you take the camera off of winter's view, you can see he again move commands his phoenix closer to mafarazzo's phoenix where of course they will stop and intercept the phoenix that he has no vision of coming across the map

5:40
winter is again manually clicking his phoenixes to where his opponent's units have just moved from

5:41
Mafarazzo is moving his stalker/MSC back towards his ramp towards winter phoenixes and winter is clicking away from them at 5:42

6:34-6:35
winter looks in between mafarazzo's main and nat...but does not issue any move commands, he only looks, then immediately moves his phoenix up towards the natural base

There are 5 more games with time stamps. There are a ridiculous amount of times in the PvZ maximus black orbital shipyard game where winter is staring through the fog of war at maximus black's base.

The proxy stargate game is the most compelling due to the way winter searches for the proxy stargate via screen lock and almost instant way points and then later on even looks at a probe through the fog of war.
Sup
ParamoreSC
Profile Joined June 2013
United States5 Posts
April 12 2015 22:03 GMT
#9390
On April 13 2015 06:45 avilo wrote:
Maximus vs winter g1 echo LE:
Replay: http://drop.sc/396104

2:25
Looking into fog of war at zealot, waypoint command used through zealot

3:53
You decide to scout your own third with an SCV, clicking to maximusblack'sunits. Same waypoint command issued after a few manual clicks and you look through the fog of war at his pylon/stalkers

6:03
Decides to take a peek at the pylon at your third to see if maximus still has his units there or not

7:20
You scan his main...ok, but you then actually select his robotics bay, and then you select his robo facility...what reason do you have to click on his robotics facility? No player ever does this because clicking on it does not tell you what is building in it...but sure

11:00
Looking into fog of war without selecting CC to scan

11:46
You are actually looking at his units through the fog of war

11:50
You are again looking at units through the fog of war at the natural of maximus black

12:24
You had been dropping this entire time, now maximus moves all of his units from his natural and is going for a full counter across the map

You path your marine marauder at the bottom of the map away from his units

12:34/12:35
Ok, now suddenly your camera moves to the center of the map to the middle of no where...to where maximus is moving his entire army.

You seem to have completely stopped dropping along with this, yet you have no idea where his units can be right now.

Every time before this you always look through fog of war, and always 100% seem to know where maximusblack's units are while prepping drops.

Another case of looking through the fog of war and seeing unit positions.

Maximus vs winter g2 orbital shipyard:
Replay: http://drop.sc/395945

3:43
winter again selects robo to see what's building?

4:31
winter looking into the fog of war at maximus black's base

4:53
another quick sneak peek into maximus black's base

5:09
Looks into maximus black's base again...this time a full sweep through the fog of war, does not even select an overlord during this time to sac into the base

5:14
While obviously normal to rally units to front base, winter begins selecting and moving roaches as maximus selects and moves his army preparing for the attack

9:33
mutas selected, going to attack? Mutas clicked to maximus black's army at the natural, then winter intentionally looks into the fog of war at maximus units, decides it will be a better idea to go harrass the back base, all without any vision

9:36-9:37
For some reason, the units you sent down to potentially break the rocks start clicking towards maximus black's army through the fog of war. The move commands seem intentionally directed towards where maximusblack's army is moving, almost as if following them through fog of war

Maximus Black vs winter CodaLE:
Replay: http://drop.sc/396085
Proxy DT game

Short game, he scouts maximus is 1 base, goes to search for the proxy only on the left side of the map...luck again? 50/50 shot

I only list this game because of the next game...

Maximus Black vs winter iron fortress
Replay: http://drop.sc/396181
Proxy Stargate Game
And yes MaximusBlack is known for cheesing and proxy stargates, just read on and check it yourself.

2:42
marine given meticulous scouting commands given to search top for proxy, winter centers/moves his screen repeatedly to issue these commands

2:43
Actually, winter now accidentally move commands both of his marines to the center watch tower

2:47-2:48 (watch this part of the replay twice to catch this)
winter's screen is now locked at his natural, and he miraculously has decided to change the method in which he will give this marine commands.

With screen locked at his natural winter is issuing commands to his marine without ever moving his camera as he meticulously did before.

Quickly and accurately he queues up way points to the proxied stargate while his screen is locked.

This is drastically different than the initial time he sent a marine to "search" for the proxy stargate at 2:42.

2:55
Winter realizes he has accidentally overridden his initial marine scouting path and like at 2:42 to the area where the stargate is not, he meticulously moves his camera while manually setting each way point. Same as the first time, no screen lock this time, and he does it much slower.

3:00
winter's marine now has vision of the proxied stargate and he barely even reacts to it until 3:05

3:09
winter's camera actually jumps to check what the other dot on the mini-map is that is out of vision and he stares at it - which is maximus black's probe he then pans his camera back up to the stargate


Winter VS mazarro:
Replay: http://drop.sc/395995

5:20
Winter clicks his phoenix across the map to his opponent's natural as everyone normally does when sending phoenix across the map, you pick a point and go

Around this time you can see Mafarazzo does the same, as this is standard when sending a unit across the map

5:23
Winter now is selecting his phoenix and right clicking in line with his opponent's phoenix on the mini-map. He now changes their move command to the center of the map

5:24
Mafarazzo selects his phoenix and re-orients it towards winter's natural once again standard amongst 99% players he is just resetting the move command across the map. He does this without looking at his phoenix, which is normal

5:26
Winter Selects and centers his camera on his phoenix in the center of the map. Rather than resetting another move command across the map, winter apparently knows something none of us do and he begins issuing multiple move commands towards mafarazzo's phoenix

5:27
If you take the camera off of winter's view, you can see he again move commands his phoenix closer to mafarazzo's phoenix where of course they will stop and intercept the phoenix that he has no vision of coming across the map

5:40
winter is again manually clicking his phoenixes to where his opponent's units have just moved from

5:41
Mafarazzo is moving his stalker/MSC back towards his ramp towards winter phoenixes and winter is clicking away from them at 5:42

6:34-6:35
winter looks in between mafarazzo's main and nat...but does not issue any move commands, he only looks, then immediately moves his phoenix up towards the natural base

There are 5 more games with time stamps. There are a ridiculous amount of times in the PvZ maximus black orbital shipyard game where winter is staring through the fog of war at maximus black's base.

The proxy stargate game is the most compelling due to the way winter searches for the proxy stargate via screen lock and almost instant way points and then later on even looks at a probe through the fog of war.


You do, of course, realize that the "Smooth camera" setting in SC2 distorts how the players cam actually moves in replays, correct?

Because if you didn't, I can see how you claim so much shenanigans, you're literally gimping yourself in any way you can.

breath
Profile Joined March 2012
United States199 Posts
April 12 2015 22:22 GMT
#9391
I only watched the first game and only half of it since you are grasping at straws here.

On April 13 2015 06:45 avilo wrote:
Maximus vs winter g1 echo LE:
Replay: http://drop.sc/396104




2:25
Looking into fog of war at zealot, waypoint command used through zealot


He just scouted a zealot with a stalker coming, worker leaves, and goes back into check to see if there is an expansion, has no clue there is a zealot there. Also during this time winter sees a zealot and a probe moving out, and a stalker if he was watching closely. (no expo)


3:05 scans maximuxBlack, sees 4 gate robo all in coming and confirmed. also nexus is not building workers anymore


3:53
You decide to scout your own third with an SCV, clicking to maximusblack'sunits. Same waypoint command issued after a few manual clicks and you look through the fog of war at his pylon/stalkers


Well before this time winter starts making bunkers to defend the all in, at 3:53 he send out a scv to the most logical place a proxy pylon would be and finds maximus army, find army and confirms gain this attack is coming.


6:03
Decides to take a peek at the pylon at your third to see if maximus still has his units there or not


Before this maximus tried to drop his army into the main and kill winter was not able to, winter pushes it away, and goes out to kill the pylon with his units, maximus still has units there and winter is unable. Nothing strange about this at all

Again very clear to me that winter is NOT hacking.
Smile tomorrow will be worse :)
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-12 22:35:07
April 12 2015 22:34 GMT
#9392
On April 13 2015 07:22 breath wrote:
I only watched the first game and only half of it since you are grasping at straws here.

Show nested quote +
On April 13 2015 06:45 avilo wrote:
Maximus vs winter g1 echo LE:
Replay: http://drop.sc/396104



Show nested quote +

2:25
Looking into fog of war at zealot, waypoint command used through zealot


He just scouted a zealot with a stalker coming, worker leaves, and goes back into check to see if there is an expansion, has no clue there is a zealot there. Also during this time winter sees a zealot and a probe moving out, and a stalker if he was watching closely. (no expo)


3:05 scans maximuxBlack, sees 4 gate robo all in coming and confirmed. also nexus is not building workers anymore

Show nested quote +

3:53
You decide to scout your own third with an SCV, clicking to maximusblack'sunits. Same waypoint command issued after a few manual clicks and you look through the fog of war at his pylon/stalkers


Well before this time winter starts making bunkers to defend the all in, at 3:53 he send out a scv to the most logical place a proxy pylon would be and finds maximus army, find army and confirms gain this attack is coming.

Show nested quote +

6:03
Decides to take a peek at the pylon at your third to see if maximus still has his units there or not


Before this maximus tried to drop his army into the main and kill winter was not able to, winter pushes it away, and goes out to kill the pylon with his units, maximus still has units there and winter is unable. Nothing strange about this at all

Again very clear to me that winter is NOT hacking.


You just cherry picked things and ignored all of the times he is looking into fog of war, yeah ok. First things could be circumstantial but they were worth noting.

If you are not going to comment on all of the looks into the fog of war at maximusblack's army at the later timestamps (and in later games), you should probably not be posting in this thread if you're going to ignore everything else.
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neteX
Profile Joined April 2015
Sweden285 Posts
April 12 2015 22:44 GMT
#9393
Reading most of these comments made in this thread made me think that 80% of the people is either 12 - of age or just trying to bandwagon 1 person in here only because of his reputation.

I can name so much things of some of you making HUGE mistakes in ur past and ur not getting bashed for it only because some of u are names people knows in this community. It's time to grow up some of you and take this case seriously because accussing someone of hacking is SERIOUS bizniz because Winter does this probably for a living i guess? Or he puts down a lot of time doing it and something like this can ruin it for him.

So stop acting like 12- year olds and arguing about who's being a moron in their past is a fucking waste of time and just trashy comments derailing a thread.

Bashing people in here is also personal attacks let me remind u of that, so grow the fuck up and continue the discussion about the case instead.
http://www.twitter.com/neteXLoL flw pls
PesteNoire
Profile Joined June 2012
151 Posts
April 12 2015 22:48 GMT
#9394
This is some jaw dropping evidence against Winter, I am 100% convinced he hacks. Good work on the detailed replay analysis Avilo
sc2chronic
Profile Joined May 2012
United States777 Posts
April 12 2015 22:48 GMT
#9395
On April 13 2015 07:44 neteX wrote:
Reading most of these comments made in this thread made me think that 80% of the people is either 12 - of age or just trying to bandwagon 1 person in here only because of his reputation.

I can name so much things of some of you making HUGE mistakes in ur past and ur not getting bashed for it only because some of u are names people knows in this community. It's time to grow up some of you and take this case seriously because accussing someone of hacking is SERIOUS bizniz because Winter does this probably for a living i guess? Or he puts down a lot of time doing it and something like this can ruin it for him.

So stop acting like 12- year olds and arguing about who's being a moron in their past is a fucking waste of time and just trashy comments derailing a thread.

Bashing people in here is also personal attacks let me remind u of that, so grow the fuck up and continue the discussion about the case instead.


so many new posters (1-5 posts?) in here whenever defending Avilo or Winter. what a coincidence. or cheating??
terrible, terrible, damage
neteX
Profile Joined April 2015
Sweden285 Posts
April 12 2015 22:52 GMT
#9396
On April 13 2015 07:48 sc2chronic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2015 07:44 neteX wrote:
Reading most of these comments made in this thread made me think that 80% of the people is either 12 - of age or just trying to bandwagon 1 person in here only because of his reputation.

I can name so much things of some of you making HUGE mistakes in ur past and ur not getting bashed for it only because some of u are names people knows in this community. It's time to grow up some of you and take this case seriously because accussing someone of hacking is SERIOUS bizniz because Winter does this probably for a living i guess? Or he puts down a lot of time doing it and something like this can ruin it for him.

So stop acting like 12- year olds and arguing about who's being a moron in their past is a fucking waste of time and just trashy comments derailing a thread.

Bashing people in here is also personal attacks let me remind u of that, so grow the fuck up and continue the discussion about the case instead.


so many new posters (1-5 posts?) in here whenever defending Avilo or Winter. what a coincidence. or cheating??


I'm not defending anyone but personally attacking people on forums is a childish behavior and it's not on topic. Correct me if im wrong?

I don't fanboy anyone playing games i would never ever do that so stop saying i defend either of them.
And only because ppl has low post counts doesn't mean their new to this site, I just don't spam forums like others.
http://www.twitter.com/neteXLoL flw pls
sc2chronic
Profile Joined May 2012
United States777 Posts
April 12 2015 22:58 GMT
#9397
On April 13 2015 07:52 neteX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2015 07:48 sc2chronic wrote:
On April 13 2015 07:44 neteX wrote:
Reading most of these comments made in this thread made me think that 80% of the people is either 12 - of age or just trying to bandwagon 1 person in here only because of his reputation.

I can name so much things of some of you making HUGE mistakes in ur past and ur not getting bashed for it only because some of u are names people knows in this community. It's time to grow up some of you and take this case seriously because accussing someone of hacking is SERIOUS bizniz because Winter does this probably for a living i guess? Or he puts down a lot of time doing it and something like this can ruin it for him.

So stop acting like 12- year olds and arguing about who's being a moron in their past is a fucking waste of time and just trashy comments derailing a thread.

Bashing people in here is also personal attacks let me remind u of that, so grow the fuck up and continue the discussion about the case instead.


so many new posters (1-5 posts?) in here whenever defending Avilo or Winter. what a coincidence. or cheating??


I'm not defending anyone but personally attacking people on forums is a childish behavior and it's not on topic. Correct me if im wrong?


On April 13 2015 01:24 neteX wrote:
I must say that Winter is extremely suspicious that's for sure. I've been talking to relevant people about this case and they are all saying the exact same thing that something is fishy about this guy.


you seem to have spammed dumb posts today in 3 other threads but talk in detail when youre in here..

I don't fanboy anyone playing games i would never ever do that so stop saying i defend either of them.
And only because ppl has low post counts doesn't mean their new to this site, I just don't spam forums like others.

Joined TL.net Sunday, 12th of April 2015

ok avilo
terrible, terrible, damage
codonbyte
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States840 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-12 22:59:07
April 12 2015 22:58 GMT
#9398
On April 13 2015 05:56 TotalBiscuit wrote:
If it had come from anyone other than Avilo it might have been taken seriously but Avilo accuses like 5 people a day of maphacking, he is the boy who cried wolf far too many times.

He doesn't accuse people and go to the trouble to collect this much evidence 5 times a day, though. Saying "wtf is this guy maphacking?" =/= methodically going through replay and noting timestamps for each suspicious action, noting it, writing it all up, and collecting other replays.
Procrastination is the enemy
codonbyte
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States840 Posts
April 12 2015 23:00 GMT
#9399
On April 13 2015 07:48 sc2chronic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2015 07:44 neteX wrote:
Reading most of these comments made in this thread made me think that 80% of the people is either 12 - of age or just trying to bandwagon 1 person in here only because of his reputation.

I can name so much things of some of you making HUGE mistakes in ur past and ur not getting bashed for it only because some of u are names people knows in this community. It's time to grow up some of you and take this case seriously because accussing someone of hacking is SERIOUS bizniz because Winter does this probably for a living i guess? Or he puts down a lot of time doing it and something like this can ruin it for him.

So stop acting like 12- year olds and arguing about who's being a moron in their past is a fucking waste of time and just trashy comments derailing a thread.

Bashing people in here is also personal attacks let me remind u of that, so grow the fuck up and continue the discussion about the case instead.


so many new posters (1-5 posts?) in here whenever defending Avilo or Winter. what a coincidence. or cheating??

This thread was linked on reddit.
Procrastination is the enemy
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
April 12 2015 23:01 GMT
#9400
On April 13 2015 07:58 codonbyte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2015 05:56 TotalBiscuit wrote:
If it had come from anyone other than Avilo it might have been taken seriously but Avilo accuses like 5 people a day of maphacking, he is the boy who cried wolf far too many times.

He doesn't accuse people and go to the trouble to collect this much evidence 5 times a day, though. Saying "wtf is this guy maphacking?" =/= methodically going through replay and noting timestamps for each suspicious action, noting it, writing it all up, and collecting other replays.

if your mindset is already that everyone you play is a cheater then it's not hard to sit down for 2 hours and find a billion reasons to agree with yourself, it's called confirmation bias
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