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it's even the better practice while someone is hacking I'd say. Since 99% of these ppl who is hacking are pretty dumb and awful so it's kinda easy win most of time
Could you go on and explain why practicing against awful players (compared to yourself) is a better practice?
And yes, progamers complain about hackers. Why do you think there isn't any progamer on NA anymore?
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On December 30 2014 01:50 arew wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2014 01:23 playa wrote:On December 30 2014 00:57 NeThZOR wrote:On December 30 2014 00:34 arew wrote:On December 29 2014 20:13 playa wrote:On December 29 2014 19:47 Liquid`Ret wrote:On December 29 2014 19:38 playa wrote:On December 29 2014 19:23 Liquid`Ret wrote:On December 29 2014 18:38 playa wrote:On December 29 2014 18:10 Liquid`Ret wrote:
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are you to the gm protoss on na?
if so, it's really hard for anyone to take you seriously when you randomly accuse legit players after 5 minutes of gameplay :S Are you the guy I just played or something? If so, you might have been too busy making drones to realize normal players don't go afk with their overlords in the middle of someone's base. If you play on NA and you haven't called someone a hacker within the first 5 minutes of a game, then you're probably hacking yourself. I've been called a hacker in probably 30% of my games, if not more, this past month. I've maybe played one game versus Nathanias in my life, where he hasn't randomly called me a hacker. Maybe people shouldn't take him seriously. I've even been reported in this thread a few days ago, despite playing while on stream. It doesn't bother me. I understand it. Something is wrong with you if you're playing on NA and you're not paranoid of everyone, the past few months. Here is an example of why I would personally call someone out for going afk in my base. A day ago or so, I played a Zerg who didn't scout my natural with anything, and he just had an overlord afk in my base for 5 or so minutes. Then, he 2 base all-in'd me. He never showed any interest in scouting my natural to see what my defense was. It was probably that Chiraq guy. I lost that game because I didn't say anything. I just kept staring at his overlord and I forgot to make my mother ship core. The moral of the story is, when you play someone who is either hacking or having a bronze league moment, you should inquire about their legitimacy to get a better feel for whether you're playing a legit player or not. Otherwise, you're just going to further mind f yourself and have no clue of how you should approach the game. There is a HUGE difference between reporting someone in a thread or elsewhere and calling them a hacker during the game. You know this, right? In this thread, if I've reported someone who I said hacked and they didn't, they would be the first. I didn't even bother to upload replay vs Cham because the guy had already admitted to hacking in the past and was getting reported every other week prior to me making an accusation (and I knew nothing of this beforehand). Even now, he has never told me he doesn't hack. He plays in a hacking clan now. What do you think his stance is on hackers? If I called someone a hacker, reviewed the replay and then reported on them... the truth of the matter is, they were hacking on a level that was as blatant as nerfy has ever been. That's why I don't even really bother to report hackers: if it's at that point, then everyone already knows, anyways. Normally, all you can say is someone is suspicious or plays weird. Virium, to me, plays like a hacker. Bubbles, I've just recently played for the first times and this is the weirdest player I've played. I don't know if he hacks, he probably doesn't. But, I wouldn't bet on me being able to get away with a proxy pylon in the next 30 games versus him. There's literally only 2 people I can think of even mentioning that aren't "nerfy" level. when you accuse everyone you play because they move an overlord and your zealots die... youre almost as bad as the people actually hacking man. Your response is just...mind blowingly stupid. You went late core, nexus into forge. There was no anti air .. what the hell. Then your 3 zealots killed a ling on the way to my base and only by the time it was very obvious that your 3 zealots did 0 damage, you started calling me a hacker.... You belong on NA with all the hackers imo. I watched that replay afterwards and looked at your vision. You didn't even look at your overlord until I reminded you of it. You had a bronze league moment. It had 0 to do with the lings. I was confused as to why you would even think that. But, o that's right, you forgot about your overlord. Maybe you over drone and lose to every all-in because you forget to look? If you think my reasoning is stupid, then, well I have news for you, you might want to look in the mirror. How do you think hackers on NA play. Before that Chiraq guy was streaming himself hacking, I noted him as a hacker because not only was he on a team with 100 hackers but he did the same thing as you. Obviously, when I watched the replay of you, I realized you had a bronze league moment. Now, after hearing you in this thread, I'm realizing why you had a bronze league moment. Replay of Ret (I guess) showing off his perfectly normal scouting: http://drop.sc/390867I'm sorry, Ret, I haven't been playing in Bronze league. 99% of time when players forget they have a unit in my base, it's not because they forgot. It's because they were hacking. I honestly lost a game simply due to not accusing a guy that I figured was hacking, because of this. If I don't want to get accused of hacking by a player, then it helps if I wouldn't forget to scout on a 4 player map. Wtf do you expect? If you can find a player I reported as hacking in this thread who is legit, let me know Ret. Until then, maybe go work on your scouting. This is the 2nd time you are trying to insult me with your overdone thing, great job man. Keep accusing everyone you play  Listen man, I sometimes go idle with my probe in P vs P. If anyone ever finds me not constantly looking at my probe, I hope to god they call me out in the forum to laugh at me and call me a hacker, because that's flat out embarrassing and inexcusable to me. I didn't realize you were everyone I played. You have more examples? I hear Puck calls everyone a hacker. Maybe his opinion after watching replays shouldn't be valued. I've been called a hacker at a bare minimum of 30% of my recent games. I was even called a hacker by a blatant hacker... Nothing I said was out of line to you. Did I say anything when you attacked me the second I went to morph my dts into archons? You're acting like I've went out on a limb with the people I have reported... If calling someone a hacker, who has admitted to hacking, who is now in a hacking clan, is a little too much for you, then I have to question what skill does Zerg take. Is it just making drones and swarm hosts? You were one of the best non Korean BW players. You're a macro beast. I have no history with you, that I know of. I have nothing against you. The only thing I wish is when I saw you at a tournament, you would be more prepared for all-ins. Because, everyone knows to all-in you until you show you're willing to not over drone. You just come off as bitter about the game to me. I don't think you hack. Yet, I obviously can't regret making that comment about your overlord. You haven't played enough on NA if you think that was uncalled for. Being called a hacker on NA is standard atm. It doesn't matter who you are or how legit you are, you should expect it, even when you can't tell why they would think that. But, until someone has reviewed a replay and then reported you on a thread like this, what difference does it make? It's almost an admission of being wrong if you weren't reported, thus they aren't as haste as you believe, anyways. I just lol'd while reading all this. "Maybe you had a bronze league moment" :D Ret, when you're gonna get out of bronze mate?  These people... just sad. Buy this poor NA protoss a medal as a late Christmas present or something. Even though I rarely read TeamLiquid now, but when I do it's totally worth it! Yeah, this whining belongs in the awesome/confusing BM thread Whining? I won a game. No whining there. I said "you strike me as a legit player..." as an overlord stayed in the same spot for minutes, despite not even being in a position to see what tech I would put down. That's what "this" is about. Like I said, I lost a game yesterday to someone who did this. The guy wasn't legit. I don't randomly inquire to whether someone is hacking, ala nathanias or avilo. EU players simply don't understand how bad it is on NA. There's always at least 20 people in GM on NA who won't even scout you, or there's always at least 20 people in "hacking clans." That's why I'm rarely bothered by someone calling me a hacker. Unless you're taking very good notes on players and making sure you're not searching when they are, you're playing a hacker every other game. It's going to mess with you.. There's a big, big difference between being disrespectful like Nathanias and calling you out when you're not on a smurf, like who the F is he as a player, and when someone is smurfing you and does something "suspicious." Every day, you play against someone for the first time, on a new account, who is hacking. You can't take that personally if you're get mistaken. If I thought Ret was hacking, believe me, I would have noted him. I didn't even go that far. Next time someone has an overlord lingering in my base doing nothing for minutes, I'm going to say the same thing. I guess I'd either find out it was Ret or the hacker I seem to play every other day. That works for me. Wow, you won a game, grats man! Now you truly deserve a medal! I'd say that 99% of the high rated GM players do not give a damn if the player is hacking or not, the only one thing that matters while playing ladder is to practice and it's even the better practice while someone is hacking I'd say. Since 99% of these ppl who is hacking are pretty dumb and awful so it's kinda easy win most of time anyways otherwise its just some time of 5minute blind all-in what is easily seen if the person is hacking once you watch a replay, then you just dont care about ~20ish points you just lost. Guess this thread was made to report maphackers instead of reporting who won a game/is over-droning/making invalid statements or w/e. That's kinda sad, what SC2 community has became I'd say. Yes, SC2 needs a good hacker protection but it does not deserve a whining I'd say. Have you seen any of the pros whining about the hackers? I'd be very glad to see the posts of them. I'm pretty sure you will not find, because they don't care about it. So stop whining and go practice~~ Anyway, what matters is the tournaments/results and it comes through LANs/broadcasted games - the rest is the only practice. If it offends you when someone calls you hacker or w/e you should most likely tell it to your mom I guess... TL;DR less whining more playing~
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Every single high rated player cares more about hacking actually. The practice is also far worse as it does not resemble a real game whatsoever... Most pros I know whine about hackers, but between themselves. What good would posting about hackers do? Hackers on ladder are one of the main reasons wc3 died.
Also ignore this playa guy, All 8 games he accused me of hacking, and whining about how broken mutas were. Now he is whining about drones and swarmhost and calling ret a hacker? lol.
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On December 30 2014 01:50 arew wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2014 01:23 playa wrote:On December 30 2014 00:57 NeThZOR wrote:On December 30 2014 00:34 arew wrote:On December 29 2014 20:13 playa wrote:On December 29 2014 19:47 Liquid`Ret wrote:On December 29 2014 19:38 playa wrote:On December 29 2014 19:23 Liquid`Ret wrote:On December 29 2014 18:38 playa wrote:On December 29 2014 18:10 Liquid`Ret wrote:
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are you to the gm protoss on na?
if so, it's really hard for anyone to take you seriously when you randomly accuse legit players after 5 minutes of gameplay :S Are you the guy I just played or something? If so, you might have been too busy making drones to realize normal players don't go afk with their overlords in the middle of someone's base. If you play on NA and you haven't called someone a hacker within the first 5 minutes of a game, then you're probably hacking yourself. I've been called a hacker in probably 30% of my games, if not more, this past month. I've maybe played one game versus Nathanias in my life, where he hasn't randomly called me a hacker. Maybe people shouldn't take him seriously. I've even been reported in this thread a few days ago, despite playing while on stream. It doesn't bother me. I understand it. Something is wrong with you if you're playing on NA and you're not paranoid of everyone, the past few months. Here is an example of why I would personally call someone out for going afk in my base. A day ago or so, I played a Zerg who didn't scout my natural with anything, and he just had an overlord afk in my base for 5 or so minutes. Then, he 2 base all-in'd me. He never showed any interest in scouting my natural to see what my defense was. It was probably that Chiraq guy. I lost that game because I didn't say anything. I just kept staring at his overlord and I forgot to make my mother ship core. The moral of the story is, when you play someone who is either hacking or having a bronze league moment, you should inquire about their legitimacy to get a better feel for whether you're playing a legit player or not. Otherwise, you're just going to further mind f yourself and have no clue of how you should approach the game. There is a HUGE difference between reporting someone in a thread or elsewhere and calling them a hacker during the game. You know this, right? In this thread, if I've reported someone who I said hacked and they didn't, they would be the first. I didn't even bother to upload replay vs Cham because the guy had already admitted to hacking in the past and was getting reported every other week prior to me making an accusation (and I knew nothing of this beforehand). Even now, he has never told me he doesn't hack. He plays in a hacking clan now. What do you think his stance is on hackers? If I called someone a hacker, reviewed the replay and then reported on them... the truth of the matter is, they were hacking on a level that was as blatant as nerfy has ever been. That's why I don't even really bother to report hackers: if it's at that point, then everyone already knows, anyways. Normally, all you can say is someone is suspicious or plays weird. Virium, to me, plays like a hacker. Bubbles, I've just recently played for the first times and this is the weirdest player I've played. I don't know if he hacks, he probably doesn't. But, I wouldn't bet on me being able to get away with a proxy pylon in the next 30 games versus him. There's literally only 2 people I can think of even mentioning that aren't "nerfy" level. when you accuse everyone you play because they move an overlord and your zealots die... youre almost as bad as the people actually hacking man. Your response is just...mind blowingly stupid. You went late core, nexus into forge. There was no anti air .. what the hell. Then your 3 zealots killed a ling on the way to my base and only by the time it was very obvious that your 3 zealots did 0 damage, you started calling me a hacker.... You belong on NA with all the hackers imo. I watched that replay afterwards and looked at your vision. You didn't even look at your overlord until I reminded you of it. You had a bronze league moment. It had 0 to do with the lings. I was confused as to why you would even think that. But, o that's right, you forgot about your overlord. Maybe you over drone and lose to every all-in because you forget to look? If you think my reasoning is stupid, then, well I have news for you, you might want to look in the mirror. How do you think hackers on NA play. Before that Chiraq guy was streaming himself hacking, I noted him as a hacker because not only was he on a team with 100 hackers but he did the same thing as you. Obviously, when I watched the replay of you, I realized you had a bronze league moment. Now, after hearing you in this thread, I'm realizing why you had a bronze league moment. Replay of Ret (I guess) showing off his perfectly normal scouting: http://drop.sc/390867I'm sorry, Ret, I haven't been playing in Bronze league. 99% of time when players forget they have a unit in my base, it's not because they forgot. It's because they were hacking. I honestly lost a game simply due to not accusing a guy that I figured was hacking, because of this. If I don't want to get accused of hacking by a player, then it helps if I wouldn't forget to scout on a 4 player map. Wtf do you expect? If you can find a player I reported as hacking in this thread who is legit, let me know Ret. Until then, maybe go work on your scouting. This is the 2nd time you are trying to insult me with your overdone thing, great job man. Keep accusing everyone you play Listen man, I sometimes go idle with my probe in P vs P. If anyone ever finds me not constantly looking at my probe, I hope to god they call me out in the forum to laugh at me and call me a hacker, because that's flat out embarrassing and inexcusable to me. I didn't realize you were everyone I played. You have more examples? I hear Puck calls everyone a hacker. Maybe his opinion after watching replays shouldn't be valued. I've been called a hacker at a bare minimum of 30% of my recent games. I was even called a hacker by a blatant hacker... Nothing I said was out of line to you. Did I say anything when you attacked me the second I went to morph my dts into archons? You're acting like I've went out on a limb with the people I have reported... If calling someone a hacker, who has admitted to hacking, who is now in a hacking clan, is a little too much for you, then I have to question what skill does Zerg take. Is it just making drones and swarm hosts? You were one of the best non Korean BW players. You're a macro beast. I have no history with you, that I know of. I have nothing against you. The only thing I wish is when I saw you at a tournament, you would be more prepared for all-ins. Because, everyone knows to all-in you until you show you're willing to not over drone. You just come off as bitter about the game to me. I don't think you hack. Yet, I obviously can't regret making that comment about your overlord. You haven't played enough on NA if you think that was uncalled for. Being called a hacker on NA is standard atm. It doesn't matter who you are or how legit you are, you should expect it, even when you can't tell why they would think that. But, until someone has reviewed a replay and then reported you on a thread like this, what difference does it make? It's almost an admission of being wrong if you weren't reported, thus they aren't as haste as you believe, anyways. I just lol'd while reading all this. "Maybe you had a bronze league moment" :D Ret, when you're gonna get out of bronze mate? These people... just sad. Buy this poor NA protoss a medal as a late Christmas present or something. Even though I rarely read TeamLiquid now, but when I do it's totally worth it! Yeah, this whining belongs in the awesome/confusing BM thread Whining? I won a game. No whining there. I said "you strike me as a legit player..." as an overlord stayed in the same spot for minutes, despite not even being in a position to see what tech I would put down. That's what "this" is about. Like I said, I lost a game yesterday to someone who did this. The guy wasn't legit. I don't randomly inquire to whether someone is hacking, ala nathanias or avilo. EU players simply don't understand how bad it is on NA. There's always at least 20 people in GM on NA who won't even scout you, or there's always at least 20 people in "hacking clans." That's why I'm rarely bothered by someone calling me a hacker. Unless you're taking very good notes on players and making sure you're not searching when they are, you're playing a hacker every other game. It's going to mess with you.. There's a big, big difference between being disrespectful like Nathanias and calling you out when you're not on a smurf, like who the F is he as a player, and when someone is smurfing you and does something "suspicious." Every day, you play against someone for the first time, on a new account, who is hacking. You can't take that personally if you're get mistaken. If I thought Ret was hacking, believe me, I would have noted him. I didn't even go that far. Next time someone has an overlord lingering in my base doing nothing for minutes, I'm going to say the same thing. I guess I'd either find out it was Ret or the hacker I seem to play every other day. That works for me. Wow, you won a game, grats man! Now you truly deserve a medal! I'd say that 99% of the high rated GM players do not give a damn if the player is hacking or not, the only one thing that matters while playing ladder is to practice and it's even the better practice while someone is hacking I'd say. Since 99% of these ppl who is hacking are pretty dumb and awful so it's kinda easy win most of time anyways otherwise its just some time of 5minute blind all-in what is easily seen if the person is hacking once you watch a replay, then you just dont care about ~20ish points you just lost. Guess this thread was made to report maphackers instead of reporting who won a game/is over-droning/making invalid statements or w/e. That's kinda sad, what SC2 community has became I'd say. Yes, SC2 needs a good hacker protection but it does not deserve a whining I'd say. Have you seen any of the pros whining about the hackers? I'd be very glad to see the posts of them. I'm pretty sure you will not find, because they don't care about it. So stop whining and go practice~~ Anyway, what matters is the tournaments/results and it comes through LANs/broadcasted games - the rest is the only practice. If it offends you when someone calls you hacker or w/e you should most likely tell it to your mom I guess... TL;DR less whining more playing~
Arew, with all due respect, what are you talking about. I didn't know I played Ret until he tried to discredit me in this thread, as I was left to assume I just played him. Then, I get accused of whining, when I don't even know what there is to whine about. Then, someone says I'm calling Ret a hacker. As if he wasn't playing on a smurf, and I was like "Ret, you're a hacker." I made one comment.. I didn't even note him after the game, while still having no clue who he was...
It's absolutely insane to me. I'm a "Ret Fan." I deal with worse accusations every other game. I was even named in this thread, a page or so ago, when I clearly wasn't hacking... I didn't see an apology there or anyone jumping on his case for being baseless... I understand it's Liquid Ret, but geez, you'd think people would actually, I dunno, watch the replay first before assuming I slandered him and wished his family ill will...
I do agree that playing versus hackers is usually better practice than playing legit players. You have to understand you're talking crazy, though. If players get away with hacking on ladder, what is to stop them from hacking in tournaments, and that's what it boils down to.
In the first tournament I played in SC 2, I played versus Cham. I had no idea who he was. All I knew was I had just been blatantly hacked against. This is at a time where I could count on one hand the amount of times I genuinely felt I was hacked against. It turned me off. After seeing how much he was getting accused and seeing admissions from the guy, I didn't play in another tournament for a year or so. I figured, if it's not Cham it's going to be someone else hacking, even if I were good enough (which I wasn't). Cham was something ridiculous like 30-4 in series on Z33k. He was beating every Korean he played.
I've never really felt like I came across blatant hackers that much on NA. This past season or two, though, has been unprecedented. If you haven't been playing on NA or you didn't play on battle.net East in BW, it's hard to fully understand how bad it has gotten. When you know someone used to hack in tournaments and now that person is playing all of his ladder games in a hacking clan, how are you supposed to feel about the game?
I'm being vilified atm when I've never cheated in my life, and I don't think Ret cheated. Meanwhile, you guys are busy harassing me over something you didn't even bother to take the time to watch...
Players have to take some responsibility in calling it how it is. This game/scene has gone nothing but downhill. It's going to keep going that direction until someone tries to prevent it from doing so.
Instead of harassing me, how about asking Cham some questions. Why doesn't he ever say he doesn't hack? Why is an admitted hacker now playing in a hacker clan?
Call me crazy, but if you're a previously banned player or someone affiliated with a hacking clan, being able to play in a tournament is something you don't deserve, but, at the least -- you should have to stream your tournament games.
You know the last person I called out for hacking? It was the person who ended up getting banned in the base trade tournament. This is what happens when band wagoning and D riding trumps "dealing with reality."
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My friend play vs Frozz today and lose to him. After watching replay obviously complete MH there replay and moments when he watch to his army in fog of war. Replay : http://drop.sc/390879
6:50 without scout go to attack banshee without any scout
7:34 watch at natural in fog of war and theres fly banshee
8:00 move viking and raven in middle of the map without reason and find banshee....
There 3 main point why he use mh...Mb if you watch all replay you can find more.... But for me this 3 moments im shure he use MH.
P.S Sry for bad eng im from Russia... Happy Christmas to all <3
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On December 30 2014 03:34 RoxKISCreed wrote:My friend play vs Frozz today and lose to him. After watching replay obviously complete MH there replay and moments when he watch to his army in fog of war. Replay : http://drop.sc/3908796:50 without scout go to attack banshee without any scout 7:34 watch at natural in fog of war and theres fly banshee 8:00 move viking and raven in middle of the map without reason and find banshee.... There 3 main point why he use mh...Mb if you watch all replay you can find more.... But for me this 3 moments im shure he use MH. P.S Sry for bad eng im from Russia... Happy Christmas to all <3
I would be very surprised if Froz hacked. Guy streamed a ton before and was hitting GM regulary.
Yeah, he watched through a fog of war several more times after your timings, from 13:00 and afterwards, this is very suspicious and that places were exactly where his opponent's tanks were.
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On December 30 2014 04:03 JanDe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2014 03:34 RoxKISCreed wrote:My friend play vs Frozz today and lose to him. After watching replay obviously complete MH there replay and moments when he watch to his army in fog of war. Replay : http://drop.sc/3908796:50 without scout go to attack banshee without any scout 7:34 watch at natural in fog of war and theres fly banshee 8:00 move viking and raven in middle of the map without reason and find banshee.... There 3 main point why he use mh...Mb if you watch all replay you can find more.... But for me this 3 moments im shure he use MH. P.S Sry for bad eng im from Russia... Happy Christmas to all <3 I would be very surprised if Froz hacked. Guy streamed a ton before and was hitting GM regulary. Yeah, he watched through a fog of war several more times after your timings, from 13:00 and afterwards, this is very suspicious and that places were exactly where his opponent's tanks were.
this is a different frozz. This frozz is a new account, the real frozz doesn't hack
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On December 30 2014 04:48 Xinzoe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2014 04:03 JanDe wrote:On December 30 2014 03:34 RoxKISCreed wrote:My friend play vs Frozz today and lose to him. After watching replay obviously complete MH there replay and moments when he watch to his army in fog of war. Replay : http://drop.sc/3908796:50 without scout go to attack banshee without any scout 7:34 watch at natural in fog of war and theres fly banshee 8:00 move viking and raven in middle of the map without reason and find banshee.... There 3 main point why he use mh...Mb if you watch all replay you can find more.... But for me this 3 moments im shure he use MH. P.S Sry for bad eng im from Russia... Happy Christmas to all <3 I would be very surprised if Froz hacked. Guy streamed a ton before and was hitting GM regulary. Yeah, he watched through a fog of war several more times after your timings, from 13:00 and afterwards, this is very suspicious and that places were exactly where his opponent's tanks were. this is a different frozz. This frozz is a new account, the real frozz doesn't hack
I had no idea there is someone else under that nick, thanks for info.
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On December 29 2014 18:10 Liquid`Ret wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2014 16:04 playa wrote:On December 28 2014 15:05 GGzerG wrote:
It maybe "Uncommon" , but trying to say it is sheer proof because someone uses 1-6 and not 5, is really ridiculous and silly...unless you have replays where the hotkey sequences are all identical throughout games, i don't think this is reliable, and even if there was 5-10 replays where it was almost identical, it is still nearly impossible to prove it is the same person, right? Depends how generic or unique the pattern is. If you were in the BW scene, you would know there was "Romad," I believe, who was considered to be a hotkey savant. He identified every smurf via hotkey analysis. I've never heard of him being wrong. He was absolutely incredible. It's not hard to realize matches. The hard part is remembering all of the different hotkeys and patterns players have. The more hotkeys you're aware of, the more sure you can be about something being unique, though. No one has the same hotkeys I have. And, even if they did, which they don't, what are the odds of the apm/eapm being similar enough? Hotkey analysis is SC 2's version of DNA testing. Given enough knowledge, they're probably close to comparable in effectiveness, too. Then, when you bring common sense into the equation, you can limit the possibilities, ie., How many players are capable of being number 1 on the NA ladder with Toss, be it legit or illegitimately, and what are their hotkeys? If the only person who ends up sharing that pattern is Deezer, then, well, that's who it is. Coincidentally/ironically I came across an old Destiny vod the other day where he was using hotkey analysis to determine whether he was playing vs Deezer or not. I didn't look closely enough to take note of what the hotkeys were back then. I can't PM people since I told manifesto that I didn't have anything to say to him... but someone told me via PM that they would share more details about this if I was interested. Maybe you're more interested than I am and haven't told manifesto you didn't have anything to say to him. If I'm interested about anyone, it's Cham because this guy is doing better on ladders than when he was blatantly cheating. And, recently, he gave an interview where he said he would love to stream and really wants to, but he simply doesn't have enough time "or something like that." It's inexcusable that this guy is allowed to play in tournaments without streaming his games. This guy is playing all of his games in the hacker clan, under magical. Top 6 now on the ladder. I've never heard him say he doesn't hack, yet is anyone going to even review his online tournament games in the future? It's such a bad precedent when SC 2 can't even handle the hackers that are known, let alone ones that are unknown. are you to the gm protoss on na? if so, even if you were compeltly correct on everything you said, it's really hard to take you seriously when you randomly accuse legit players after 5 minutes of gameplay as well :S
There are players like Avilo who almost constantly accuse everyone they see. However, you still should treat every case separately. No one likes hearing someone cry wolf, but who are we to discredit the person due to paranoia? Using someone's actions to judge them is rather wrong. I think high school ended a while ago, adults deal with the "BS" as it comes.
In Playa's case, maybe he /shouldn't/ just call anyone a hacker the moment he seems something odd. This doesn't change the fact he thinks someone is currently cheating/account sharing and has brought a hefty amount of evidence to the table. Would your local police station "lol" it away because he's been there more than once on separate accounts? Legally, they have to follow anything they're given (check your laws if you aren't sure, but it's the case in the U.S., especially in CA).
Not sure how we went from looking at circumstantial evidence, to just questioning the player and his behavior to determine if his claims have merit. If you don't believe him, give a logical conclusion as to why. Not "lol" you whine at everything, you're wrong m8.
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Another barcode Protoss was just blatantly hacking vs Puck on stream. He was playing on EU and checked the replay afterwards, where the player in question made obs against DT's, killed pylons blindly and moved to puck's base without scouting on Deadwing.
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Name : [НуperX] LiquidTaeja
Race: terran
link to proflie: battlenet://starcraft/profile/2/11809008908154961920
server: eu
Pretty sure this guy is already commonly known here. Just another proof, replay.
Plz report this guy.
http://imgur.com/hpxmQaj
http://drop.sc/390908
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On December 29 2014 19:23 Liquid`Ret wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2014 18:38 playa wrote:On December 29 2014 18:10 Liquid`Ret wrote:On December 28 2014 16:04 playa wrote:On December 28 2014 15:05 GGzerG wrote:
It maybe "Uncommon" , but trying to say it is sheer proof because someone uses 1-6 and not 5, is really ridiculous and silly...unless you have replays where the hotkey sequences are all identical throughout games, i don't think this is reliable, and even if there was 5-10 replays where it was almost identical, it is still nearly impossible to prove it is the same person, right? Depends how generic or unique the pattern is. If you were in the BW scene, you would know there was "Romad," I believe, who was considered to be a hotkey savant. He identified every smurf via hotkey analysis. I've never heard of him being wrong. He was absolutely incredible. It's not hard to realize matches. The hard part is remembering all of the different hotkeys and patterns players have. The more hotkeys you're aware of, the more sure you can be about something being unique, though. No one has the same hotkeys I have. And, even if they did, which they don't, what are the odds of the apm/eapm being similar enough? Hotkey analysis is SC 2's version of DNA testing. Given enough knowledge, they're probably close to comparable in effectiveness, too. Then, when you bring common sense into the equation, you can limit the possibilities, ie., How many players are capable of being number 1 on the NA ladder with Toss, be it legit or illegitimately, and what are their hotkeys? If the only person who ends up sharing that pattern is Deezer, then, well, that's who it is. Coincidentally/ironically I came across an old Destiny vod the other day where he was using hotkey analysis to determine whether he was playing vs Deezer or not. I didn't look closely enough to take note of what the hotkeys were back then. I can't PM people since I told manifesto that I didn't have anything to say to him... but someone told me via PM that they would share more details about this if I was interested. Maybe you're more interested than I am and haven't told manifesto you didn't have anything to say to him. If I'm interested about anyone, it's Cham because this guy is doing better on ladders than when he was blatantly cheating. And, recently, he gave an interview where he said he would love to stream and really wants to, but he simply doesn't have enough time "or something like that." It's inexcusable that this guy is allowed to play in tournaments without streaming his games. This guy is playing all of his games in the hacker clan, under magical. Top 6 now on the ladder. I've never heard him say he doesn't hack, yet is anyone going to even review his online tournament games in the future? It's such a bad precedent when SC 2 can't even handle the hackers that are known, let alone ones that are unknown. are you to the gm protoss on na? if so, it's really hard for anyone to take you seriously when you randomly accuse legit players after 5 minutes of gameplay :S Are you the guy I just played or something? If so, you might have been too busy making drones to realize normal players don't go afk with their overlords in the middle of someone's base. If you play on NA and you haven't called someone a hacker within the first 5 minutes of a game, then you're probably hacking yourself. I've been called a hacker in probably 30% of my games, if not more, this past month. I've maybe played one game versus Nathanias in my life, where he hasn't randomly called me a hacker. Maybe people shouldn't take him seriously. I've even been reported in this thread a few days ago, despite playing while on stream. It doesn't bother me. I understand it. Something is wrong with you if you're playing on NA and you're not paranoid of everyone, the past few months. Here is an example of why I would personally call someone out for going afk in my base. A day ago or so, I played a Zerg who didn't scout my natural with anything, and he just had an overlord afk in my base for 5 or so minutes. Then, he 2 base all-in'd me. He never showed any interest in scouting my natural to see what my defense was. It was probably that Chiraq guy. I lost that game because I didn't say anything. I just kept staring at his overlord and I forgot to make my mother ship core. The moral of the story is, when you play someone who is either hacking or having a bronze league moment, you should inquire about their legitimacy to get a better feel for whether you're playing a legit player or not. Otherwise, you're just going to further mind f yourself and have no clue of how you should approach the game. There is a HUGE difference between reporting someone in a thread or elsewhere and calling them a hacker during the game. You know this, right? In this thread, if I've reported someone who I said hacked and they didn't, they would be the first. I didn't even bother to upload replay vs Cham because the guy had already admitted to hacking in the past and was getting reported every other week prior to me making an accusation (and I knew nothing of this beforehand). Even now, he has never told me he doesn't hack. He plays in a hacking clan now. What do you think his stance is on hackers? If I called someone a hacker, reviewed the replay and then reported on them... the truth of the matter is, they were hacking on a level that was as blatant as nerfy has ever been. That's why I don't even really bother to report hackers: if it's at that point, then everyone already knows, anyways. Normally, all you can say is someone is suspicious or plays weird. Virium, to me, plays like a hacker. Bubbles, I've just recently played for the first times and this is the weirdest player I've played. I don't know if he hacks, he probably doesn't. But, I wouldn't bet on me being able to get away with a proxy pylon in the next 30 games versus him. There's literally only 2 people I can think of even mentioning that aren't "nerfy" level. when you accuse everyone you play because they move an overlord and your zealots die... youre almost as bad as the people actually hacking man. Your response is just.....uhhhhhh. You went late core, nexus into forge. There was no anti air .. what the hell. Then your 3 zealots killed a ling on the way to my base and only by the time it was very obvious that your 3 zealots did 0 damage, you started calling me a hacker.... You belong on NA with all the hackers imo.
cant believe you actually leave a won game .
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On December 30 2014 23:55 lukiTheZerg wrote:Name : [НуperX] LiquidTaeja Race: terran link to proflie: battlenet://starcraft/profile/2/11809008908154961920 server: eu Pretty sure this guy is already commonly known here. Just another proof, replay. Plz report this guy. http://imgur.com/hpxmQajhttp://drop.sc/390908
Thanks for posting. This Taeja impersonator is super annoying.
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here is another replay from him, he won gml player
[НуperX] LiquidTaeja
TvT Replay
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By the way, this LiquidTaeja is another account. The other account (which was reported in the previous pages) hasn't played in the last 6 days. Maybe he was banned.
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On December 31 2014 00:51 nakoz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2014 19:23 Liquid`Ret wrote:On December 29 2014 18:38 playa wrote:On December 29 2014 18:10 Liquid`Ret wrote:On December 28 2014 16:04 playa wrote:On December 28 2014 15:05 GGzerG wrote:
It maybe "Uncommon" , but trying to say it is sheer proof because someone uses 1-6 and not 5, is really ridiculous and silly...unless you have replays where the hotkey sequences are all identical throughout games, i don't think this is reliable, and even if there was 5-10 replays where it was almost identical, it is still nearly impossible to prove it is the same person, right? Depends how generic or unique the pattern is. If you were in the BW scene, you would know there was "Romad," I believe, who was considered to be a hotkey savant. He identified every smurf via hotkey analysis. I've never heard of him being wrong. He was absolutely incredible. It's not hard to realize matches. The hard part is remembering all of the different hotkeys and patterns players have. The more hotkeys you're aware of, the more sure you can be about something being unique, though. No one has the same hotkeys I have. And, even if they did, which they don't, what are the odds of the apm/eapm being similar enough? Hotkey analysis is SC 2's version of DNA testing. Given enough knowledge, they're probably close to comparable in effectiveness, too. Then, when you bring common sense into the equation, you can limit the possibilities, ie., How many players are capable of being number 1 on the NA ladder with Toss, be it legit or illegitimately, and what are their hotkeys? If the only person who ends up sharing that pattern is Deezer, then, well, that's who it is. Coincidentally/ironically I came across an old Destiny vod the other day where he was using hotkey analysis to determine whether he was playing vs Deezer or not. I didn't look closely enough to take note of what the hotkeys were back then. I can't PM people since I told manifesto that I didn't have anything to say to him... but someone told me via PM that they would share more details about this if I was interested. Maybe you're more interested than I am and haven't told manifesto you didn't have anything to say to him. If I'm interested about anyone, it's Cham because this guy is doing better on ladders than when he was blatantly cheating. And, recently, he gave an interview where he said he would love to stream and really wants to, but he simply doesn't have enough time "or something like that." It's inexcusable that this guy is allowed to play in tournaments without streaming his games. This guy is playing all of his games in the hacker clan, under magical. Top 6 now on the ladder. I've never heard him say he doesn't hack, yet is anyone going to even review his online tournament games in the future? It's such a bad precedent when SC 2 can't even handle the hackers that are known, let alone ones that are unknown. are you to the gm protoss on na? if so, it's really hard for anyone to take you seriously when you randomly accuse legit players after 5 minutes of gameplay :S Are you the guy I just played or something? If so, you might have been too busy making drones to realize normal players don't go afk with their overlords in the middle of someone's base. If you play on NA and you haven't called someone a hacker within the first 5 minutes of a game, then you're probably hacking yourself. I've been called a hacker in probably 30% of my games, if not more, this past month. I've maybe played one game versus Nathanias in my life, where he hasn't randomly called me a hacker. Maybe people shouldn't take him seriously. I've even been reported in this thread a few days ago, despite playing while on stream. It doesn't bother me. I understand it. Something is wrong with you if you're playing on NA and you're not paranoid of everyone, the past few months. Here is an example of why I would personally call someone out for going afk in my base. A day ago or so, I played a Zerg who didn't scout my natural with anything, and he just had an overlord afk in my base for 5 or so minutes. Then, he 2 base all-in'd me. He never showed any interest in scouting my natural to see what my defense was. It was probably that Chiraq guy. I lost that game because I didn't say anything. I just kept staring at his overlord and I forgot to make my mother ship core. The moral of the story is, when you play someone who is either hacking or having a bronze league moment, you should inquire about their legitimacy to get a better feel for whether you're playing a legit player or not. Otherwise, you're just going to further mind f yourself and have no clue of how you should approach the game. There is a HUGE difference between reporting someone in a thread or elsewhere and calling them a hacker during the game. You know this, right? In this thread, if I've reported someone who I said hacked and they didn't, they would be the first. I didn't even bother to upload replay vs Cham because the guy had already admitted to hacking in the past and was getting reported every other week prior to me making an accusation (and I knew nothing of this beforehand). Even now, he has never told me he doesn't hack. He plays in a hacking clan now. What do you think his stance is on hackers? If I called someone a hacker, reviewed the replay and then reported on them... the truth of the matter is, they were hacking on a level that was as blatant as nerfy has ever been. That's why I don't even really bother to report hackers: if it's at that point, then everyone already knows, anyways. Normally, all you can say is someone is suspicious or plays weird. Virium, to me, plays like a hacker. Bubbles, I've just recently played for the first times and this is the weirdest player I've played. I don't know if he hacks, he probably doesn't. But, I wouldn't bet on me being able to get away with a proxy pylon in the next 30 games versus him. There's literally only 2 people I can think of even mentioning that aren't "nerfy" level. when you accuse everyone you play because they move an overlord and your zealots die... youre almost as bad as the people actually hacking man. Your response is just.....uhhhhhh. You went late core, nexus into forge. There was no anti air .. what the hell. Then your 3 zealots killed a ling on the way to my base and only by the time it was very obvious that your 3 zealots did 0 damage, you started calling me a hacker.... You belong on NA with all the hackers imo. cant believe you actually leave a won game .
To me, the end game was far more interesting/surprising than what the discussion has been about. I was relieved that it seemed he didn't expect me to be so close to mining out. But, I looked at it, and I'm not sure it would have changed anything. The swarm hosts were irrelevant. Whoever won the air battle would win the game; I had 1 void ray out, with 3 more about to spawn, with 1 more queued. And, the biggest thing, I was still mining.
If his remaining drones weren't under attack and were free to long distance mine, it would have been a different story. But, as is, realistically, it's 7 or more void rays versus 12-13 corruptors to decide the game. I wouldn't change spots.
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Name : [НуperX] LiquidTaeja
Race: Terran
link to proflie: battlenet://starcraft/profile/2/11809008908154961920
EU
Another replay. This guy is hilarous. Losing to a 1gate proxy while being a maphacker.
http://drop.sc/390917
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On December 31 2014 04:05 Jade wrote:Name : [НуperX] LiquidTaeja Race: Terran link to proflie: battlenet://starcraft/profile/2/11809008908154961920 EU Another replay. This guy is hilarous. Losing to a 1gate proxy while being a maphacker. http://drop.sc/390917
LOL
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On December 30 2014 04:48 Xinzoe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2014 04:03 JanDe wrote:On December 30 2014 03:34 RoxKISCreed wrote:My friend play vs Frozz today and lose to him. After watching replay obviously complete MH there replay and moments when he watch to his army in fog of war. Replay : http://drop.sc/3908796:50 without scout go to attack banshee without any scout 7:34 watch at natural in fog of war and theres fly banshee 8:00 move viking and raven in middle of the map without reason and find banshee.... There 3 main point why he use mh...Mb if you watch all replay you can find more.... But for me this 3 moments im shure he use MH. P.S Sry for bad eng im from Russia... Happy Christmas to all <3 I would be very surprised if Froz hacked. Guy streamed a ton before and was hitting GM regulary. Yeah, he watched through a fog of war several more times after your timings, from 13:00 and afterwards, this is very suspicious and that places were exactly where his opponent's tanks were. this is a different frozz. This frozz is a new account, the real frozz doesn't hack
http://www.twitch.tv/frozzzz
this guys streams all the time and has (/had) 3+ accounts on EU in GM. he plays terran. he is known for weird strategies and good timings. i dont know who this other frozz is supposed to be...
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The other FroZ was a Terran player from USA I believe, long time ago during BW era, not the same Person since this Frozzzz is from a different country I think.
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