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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.

Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence.
covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
September 28 2014 12:46 GMT
#8341
On September 28 2014 21:40 KingAlphard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2014 20:19 Expertis wrote:
On September 28 2014 19:44 rekterino wrote:
hacker: [pXo] Nova
server: Na
league: master

goes for dt/warp prism. stays outside my base with warp prism loaded with dts because somehow knows i have turrets


http://drop.sc/386523


Dude why the fuck are u reporting everyone u 'think' maphacks when ur a pathetic lil maphacker urself I watched replay lmao and he had zealot at tower and he was probally waiting till u move out but a pathetic lil hacker like u wouldnt move out and has to make 2 vikings cause u knew the warp prism there. This guy is just pathetic...


He'll be banned soon at least from the forum hopefully, just like imbatoss, lionheart and others.


I just hate hackers. I will be writing to blizzard to get him banned.
Wormi
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany181 Posts
September 28 2014 12:49 GMT
#8342
i don´t think lionheart has ever been banned on TL. after the first huge discussion about him i saw him several times online in the streamer list. well, maybe you can be both, being listed and banned. i really don´t know ^^
I´m a real person. Beep beep.
Xinzoe
Profile Joined January 2014
Korea (South)2373 Posts
September 28 2014 12:55 GMT
#8343
On September 27 2014 23:59 rekterino wrote:
Hacker name [NDGame]Kellerman
Server: NA
League: Grandmaster


goes for a blink build but cancels it without any scout because somehow sees my bunkers.

http://drop.sc/386506


rekterino you are the hacker lol. are u serious...
rekterino
Profile Joined September 2014
5 Posts
September 28 2014 13:10 GMT
#8344
takes one to know one boys

User was banned for this post.
-StrifeX-
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States529 Posts
September 28 2014 14:51 GMT
#8345
Worse part about this is. The Clan / Team leader is in full support of the Maphacker, even with solid evidence he supports his player for maphacking. I would beware of that entire team if you run into them on ladder to suspect them to be possible maphackers. Not saying that all of them are, but if the leader is supporting it I have this feeling that a decent amount of the team is maphacking also.
covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
September 28 2014 14:57 GMT
#8346
On September 28 2014 22:10 rekterino wrote:
takes one to know one boys

User was banned for this post.


Thank you teamliquid. You are always the best compared to blizzard. Lets see when they are banning as I have posted on the forum but i doubt that they will do anything. I will always support teamliquid.

Cheers
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
September 28 2014 15:09 GMT
#8347
I don't think he should have been banned on here... unless you're talking about blatant hackers, what he said is largely true. If Blizzard can't allow you to not play against them, at least give them the chance to contribute something... even if they were wrong. Now they can offer nothing.
TheFlexN
Profile Joined March 2012
Israel472 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-28 15:23:51
September 28 2014 15:23 GMT
#8348
On September 29 2014 00:09 playa wrote:
I don't think he should have been banned on here... unless you're talking about blatant hackers, what he said is largely true. If Blizzard can't allow you to not play against them, at least give them the chance to contribute something... even if they were wrong. Now they can offer nothing.

Could you explain? because all he did was posting replays of him maphacking against people that werent maphacking.
An Esports fan, playing SC2 and LoL because they are fun. Huge fan of mapmaking, Cloud Kingdom = best map ever made EVER.
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
September 28 2014 15:38 GMT
#8349
On September 29 2014 00:23 TheFlexN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2014 00:09 playa wrote:
I don't think he should have been banned on here... unless you're talking about blatant hackers, what he said is largely true. If Blizzard can't allow you to not play against them, at least give them the chance to contribute something... even if they were wrong. Now they can offer nothing.

Could you explain? because all he did was posting replays of him maphacking against people that werent maphacking.


Yeah, sure. It's pretty easy to imagine that if two people are hacking, then the odds of them being able to identify each other as hackers is going to be far greater than a legit player versus a maphacker who is trying to not be blatant. Kellerman might not be hacking, but the idea is highlighted, still. If that is a typical move of someone hacking, then how many legit players could even draw suspicion to it? Not all of us watch our replays, and, even if we do, we're probably more interested in how we can improve than whether someone was acting on information they shouldn't have had. Usually they have to be pretty blatant, like the barcode toss on team Ascension who doesn't scout on 4 player maps. Who just magically counters everything and goes to attack you without scouting where your base is. And even then people are dubious. So, personally, I'd like to hear who hackers think are hacking. I imagine, generally, that games between hackers would further highlight that they aren't playing legit.

If you don't allow hackers to post their games, then you probably eliminate the pool of games that are most suspicious.
TheFlexN
Profile Joined March 2012
Israel472 Posts
September 28 2014 17:27 GMT
#8350
On September 29 2014 00:38 playa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2014 00:23 TheFlexN wrote:
On September 29 2014 00:09 playa wrote:
I don't think he should have been banned on here... unless you're talking about blatant hackers, what he said is largely true. If Blizzard can't allow you to not play against them, at least give them the chance to contribute something... even if they were wrong. Now they can offer nothing.

Could you explain? because all he did was posting replays of him maphacking against people that werent maphacking.


Yeah, sure. It's pretty easy to imagine that if two people are hacking, then the odds of them being able to identify each other as hackers is going to be far greater than a legit player versus a maphacker who is trying to not be blatant. Kellerman might not be hacking, but the idea is highlighted, still. If that is a typical move of someone hacking, then how many legit players could even draw suspicion to it? Not all of us watch our replays, and, even if we do, we're probably more interested in how we can improve than whether someone was acting on information they shouldn't have had. Usually they have to be pretty blatant, like the barcode toss on team Ascension who doesn't scout on 4 player maps. Who just magically counters everything and goes to attack you without scouting where your base is. And even then people are dubious. So, personally, I'd like to hear who hackers think are hacking. I imagine, generally, that games between hackers would further highlight that they aren't playing legit.

If you don't allow hackers to post their games, then you probably eliminate the pool of games that are most suspicious.

What you ask for are detectives that are familiar with using map hacking, the thing is, the majority of players arent map hackers and people that complain about map hackers, and they post here a lot, are also not using map hacks. What happened now is that a map hacker, blatant one too, reported people that dont use map hacks as map hackers, but as I remarked before, he was probably just trolling he thread, getting his newly made account banned. It will be nice to see ex-map hackers do go on and say "hey here is a list of maphackers and replays with analysis" or something like that, but dont expect something like this. The bottom line, this guy didnt report map hackers as a map hacker vigilante, he was map hacking innocent people, one going for stalker aggression into colossi followup and the other going for hidden tech DTs and then just harras and push at the same time, but got hard countered by a non scouting terran that was acting all suspicious and also calling out that the player was trying to drop DTs even though he never scouted the tech, ever.
An Esports fan, playing SC2 and LoL because they are fun. Huge fan of mapmaking, Cloud Kingdom = best map ever made EVER.
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
September 28 2014 18:48 GMT
#8351
On September 29 2014 02:27 TheFlexN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2014 00:38 playa wrote:
On September 29 2014 00:23 TheFlexN wrote:
On September 29 2014 00:09 playa wrote:
I don't think he should have been banned on here... unless you're talking about blatant hackers, what he said is largely true. If Blizzard can't allow you to not play against them, at least give them the chance to contribute something... even if they were wrong. Now they can offer nothing.

Could you explain? because all he did was posting replays of him maphacking against people that werent maphacking.


Yeah, sure. It's pretty easy to imagine that if two people are hacking, then the odds of them being able to identify each other as hackers is going to be far greater than a legit player versus a maphacker who is trying to not be blatant. Kellerman might not be hacking, but the idea is highlighted, still. If that is a typical move of someone hacking, then how many legit players could even draw suspicion to it? Not all of us watch our replays, and, even if we do, we're probably more interested in how we can improve than whether someone was acting on information they shouldn't have had. Usually they have to be pretty blatant, like the barcode toss on team Ascension who doesn't scout on 4 player maps. Who just magically counters everything and goes to attack you without scouting where your base is. And even then people are dubious. So, personally, I'd like to hear who hackers think are hacking. I imagine, generally, that games between hackers would further highlight that they aren't playing legit.

If you don't allow hackers to post their games, then you probably eliminate the pool of games that are most suspicious.

What you ask for are detectives that are familiar with using map hacking, the thing is, the majority of players arent map hackers and people that complain about map hackers, and they post here a lot, are also not using map hacks. What happened now is that a map hacker, blatant one too, reported people that dont use map hacks as map hackers, but as I remarked before, he was probably just trolling he thread, getting his newly made account banned. It will be nice to see ex-map hackers do go on and say "hey here is a list of maphackers and replays with analysis" or something like that, but dont expect something like this. The bottom line, this guy didnt report map hackers as a map hacker vigilante, he was map hacking innocent people, one going for stalker aggression into colossi followup and the other going for hidden tech DTs and then just harras and push at the same time, but got hard countered by a non scouting terran that was acting all suspicious and also calling out that the player was trying to drop DTs even though he never scouted the tech, ever.


Well, there definitely isn't any shortage of hackers. I have around 10 people friend added at GM or GM MMR who I have noted as hackers, who I try to avoid playing. These are just the people who blatantly hack. Like spiders, for everyone you see, there's going to be so many more... I doubt there's any real way to uncover the "hidden" ones without seeing replays of hackers versus hackers.

I think it would be interesting to see a replay pack of someone like nerffy, who makes no bones about hacking. I just find it unfortunate to think there is 0 way of gaining any clue about who is hacking that cares to not be blatant. The only people getting reported here are usually no doubters where everyone already knew, anyways.

jaf
Profile Joined July 2012
Italy9 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-28 19:42:11
September 28 2014 19:38 GMT
#8352
Hacker name STROMBERG
Server: EU
League: DIAMOND

http://ggtracker.com/matches/5468265

all drop on attack blind countered,moving viking in direction of my medivac without vision,all the game he have no vision on the map and siege in tank in the right position on every drop


edit: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2025777/1/STROMBERG/

edit2:
On September 18 2014 07:20 MiCroLiFe wrote:
Everyone report Stormberg!

http://drop.sc/386225

i bet my life that he hacks he checks my base 10+ times, and know where my banshe comes and drop comes every time

yes
mass stalker walks into a bar and says where is the counter?
duckk
Profile Joined March 2013
United States622 Posts
September 28 2014 19:54 GMT
#8353
On September 29 2014 00:38 playa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2014 00:23 TheFlexN wrote:
On September 29 2014 00:09 playa wrote:
I don't think he should have been banned on here... unless you're talking about blatant hackers, what he said is largely true. If Blizzard can't allow you to not play against them, at least give them the chance to contribute something... even if they were wrong. Now they can offer nothing.

Could you explain? because all he did was posting replays of him maphacking against people that werent maphacking.


Yeah, sure. It's pretty easy to imagine that if two people are hacking, then the odds of them being able to identify each other as hackers is going to be far greater than a legit player versus a maphacker who is trying to not be blatant. Kellerman might not be hacking, but the idea is highlighted, still. If that is a typical move of someone hacking, then how many legit players could even draw suspicion to it? Not all of us watch our replays, and, even if we do, we're probably more interested in how we can improve than whether someone was acting on information they shouldn't have had. Usually they have to be pretty blatant, like the barcode toss on team Ascension who doesn't scout on 4 player maps. Who just magically counters everything and goes to attack you without scouting where your base is. And even then people are dubious. So, personally, I'd like to hear who hackers think are hacking. I imagine, generally, that games between hackers would further highlight that they aren't playing legit.

If you don't allow hackers to post their games, then you probably eliminate the pool of games that are most suspicious.


Hackers accuse everyone of hacking so I am not sure they are the best at finding hackers. Fun fact, If somebody accuses someone else of hacking (who is not actually hacking) then there is a ~85% chance that player is hacking(obvious exceptions are skilless clueless joke of players like avilo)

Legit players are far better at finding hackers. There is a huge gap in hacker's macro/micro compared to their scouting. Then you have the skilled players who get tired of playing hackers and download it themselves and there is not a disparity between their skill and "perfect" scouting. This is where you catch them via their army movements. When playing someone like this who you suspect of hacking it is best to do unorthodox things like take a early random hidden base and see how they react.

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Mazi4
Profile Joined February 2014
Poland4 Posts
September 28 2014 19:56 GMT
#8354
Hacker name: IIIIIIIIIII
Server: EU
League: Diamond
Description: Blind 2rax on four player map, very short game and obvious mh.

http://drop.sc/386541

profile: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1053058/2/IIIIIIIIIII/

Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
September 28 2014 21:06 GMT
#8355
On September 29 2014 04:56 Mazi4 wrote:
Hacker name: IIIIIIIIIII
Server: EU
League: Diamond
Description: Blind 2rax on four player map, very short game and obvious mh.

http://drop.sc/386541

profile: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1053058/2/IIIIIIIIIII/




Can't watch replay right now, but 2 rax on nimbus is not blind (you know at least your opponent is on the vertical opposite side of the map) and is actually so common that Zergs send the OV to the proxy spot and start with pool first even if the map is big.

Also, Flash did it in is ro16 group against TRUE and I don't think he was maphacking
Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
shadye
Profile Joined July 2011
Czech Republic15 Posts
September 28 2014 21:17 GMT
#8356
Hope guys you understand that cheating "Shadye" is not me. I'm a proper streamer and also on EU I had clantag ECV for like half year. The difference is in nick, I'm shadye with small s ingame. Thanks for understanding and sharing this, its giving me pretty bad reputation

twitch.tv/shadye
EU ingame shadye.901
Facebook @TheShadye ___//___ Twitter @TheShadye ___//___ I'm High Master Terran and I love streaming! → ♥ Twitch.tv/shadye ♥
HelpMeGetBetter
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States764 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-29 00:06:29
September 29 2014 00:05 GMT
#8357
Hall of Fame hacker here:
http://drop.sc/386546

Hacker name: JackRallY
Server: NA
League: Diamond
Description: I know its just a diamond, but this is a must.

Never seen anything like it. Unbelievable.
The highlight - I move my observer out, he responds my sending a DT to it, thinking its a unit. When he realizes, he send his obs and 1 phoenix to kill it. I mean... you guys have to see this.

Watch the whole thing and I dare you not to laugh.

The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
September 29 2014 00:37 GMT
#8358
On September 29 2014 09:05 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
Hall of Fame hacker here:
http://drop.sc/386546

Hacker name: JackRallY
Server: NA
League: Diamond
Description: I know its just a diamond, but this is a must.

Never seen anything like it. Unbelievable.
The highlight - I move my observer out, he responds my sending a DT to it, thinking its a unit. When he realizes, he send his obs and 1 phoenix to kill it. I mean... you guys have to see this.

Watch the whole thing and I dare you not to laugh.


Haha… this is so obvious.

2:00ish: Looks at your base.

3:10 Rallies the gateway to your hidden probe.

4:00ish: Builds a blind robo despite going twilight tech, obviously to make an observer.

7:20 looks at your base in fog

7:25 looks at your twilight council as it starts charge.

6:30-8:00 keeps building tech/expo right after you do (nexus, charge, robo bay). Seems legit.

8:25 sends observer right to the hidden probe, even spam clicks it.

11:00 looks at your expansion

13:00 sends the entire army after the hidden probe in the same position.

14:25 So he blindly built a second robo after you started pumping out colossi. Now that you're getting a stargate, he just throws down two of them, wtf?

16:00 you are about to send another probe to the same location as 8:25 and 13:00, he warps in a DT to intercept it.

19:14ish you are sending your probe to a completely different location, he warps in a DT to intercept it.

22:45 he starts cannon rushing the middle. What.

23:40ish the DT incident you mention.

24:10 he picks off a stray pylon and immediately backs off.

25:15 he decides to randomly attack right after you move out with your army.

25:45 he backs off as your army is coming back.
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LingBlingBling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States353 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-29 00:45:22
September 29 2014 00:43 GMT
#8359
On September 29 2014 04:54 duckk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2014 00:38 playa wrote:
On September 29 2014 00:23 TheFlexN wrote:
On September 29 2014 00:09 playa wrote:
I don't think he should have been banned on here... unless you're talking about blatant hackers, what he said is largely true. If Blizzard can't allow you to not play against them, at least give them the chance to contribute something... even if they were wrong. Now they can offer nothing.

Could you explain? because all he did was posting replays of him maphacking against people that werent maphacking.


Yeah, sure. It's pretty easy to imagine that if two people are hacking, then the odds of them being able to identify each other as hackers is going to be far greater than a legit player versus a maphacker who is trying to not be blatant. Kellerman might not be hacking, but the idea is highlighted, still. If that is a typical move of someone hacking, then how many legit players could even draw suspicion to it? Not all of us watch our replays, and, even if we do, we're probably more interested in how we can improve than whether someone was acting on information they shouldn't have had. Usually they have to be pretty blatant, like the barcode toss on team Ascension who doesn't scout on 4 player maps. Who just magically counters everything and goes to attack you without scouting where your base is. And even then people are dubious. So, personally, I'd like to hear who hackers think are hacking. I imagine, generally, that games between hackers would further highlight that they aren't playing legit.

If you don't allow hackers to post their games, then you probably eliminate the pool of games that are most suspicious.


Hackers accuse everyone of hacking so I am not sure they are the best at finding hackers. Fun fact, If somebody accuses someone else of hacking (who is not actually hacking) then there is a ~85% chance that player is hacking(obvious exceptions are skilless clueless joke of players like avilo)

Legit players are far better at finding hackers. There is a huge gap in hacker's macro/micro compared to their scouting. Then you have the skilled players who get tired of playing hackers and download it themselves and there is not a disparity between their skill and "perfect" scouting. This is where you catch them via their army movements. When playing someone like this who you suspect of hacking it is best to do unorthodox things like take a early random hidden base and see how they react.



Please keep the useless discussion out of this thread, this thread is for reporting people. Not to mention Avilo is GM, has more knowledge than random low league players like yourself who use blind hate on the guy because the sheep crowd does it.

Most people Avilo plays are the same hackers that Incontrol reports as well, so yes, he is a target for majority of NA hackers to snipe him to get a rise out of him.

Anyways, can you take your made up statistics and hate for streamers featured on team liquid to a blog or something?

Last few pages have been nothing but useless flames, this thread again is only for reporting potential map hackers and to have people look at the replays thanks.
Remember our motto: We ain't got it.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-29 01:00:26
September 29 2014 00:50 GMT
#8360
On September 29 2014 04:56 Mazi4 wrote:
Hacker name: IIIIIIIIIII
Server: EU
League: Diamond
Description: Blind 2rax on four player map, very short game and obvious mh.

http://drop.sc/386541

profile: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1053058/2/IIIIIIIIIII/


I'm assuming you mean proxy 2gate since it fits with the rest of your post. He rallies a probe to your third base and proxies a gateway behind the mineral line there. This is clearly not normal but whether it is maphack is not necessarily certain. More evidence is needed as this could be a very lucky, one time thing. (Some people like to randomly proxy gateway when they're on tilt)
I would check his match history very closely.
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