EPTOn May 13 2014 14:13 WhatTheF wrote:
Ravomat! May I ask you what is your league in SC2 right now, please?
Ravomat! May I ask you what is your league in SC2 right now, please?
High masters, regularly playing GMs. Also I play Protoss.
GM / Master map hacker and general hacking and cheating th…
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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody. Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence. | ||
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Ravomat
Germany422 Posts
High masters, regularly playing GMs. Also I play Protoss. | ||
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WhatTheF
United States6 Posts
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mashix
Singapore21 Posts
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WhatTheF
United States6 Posts
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Ravomat
Germany422 Posts
On May 13 2014 14:27 WhatTheF wrote: I want to ask you again that are you sure there is no problem in 5 replays??? because if not, I would like to talk to admin Even though it's 5 replays it's quite little information. There is no multitasking at all. This is how you find out most easily if someone knows too much. You do the same all-in 3 times in a row and he was on to you. If you read my post the only thing I found really weird is on Merry Go Round that peak at your base in 10:17. This doesn't make any sense with and without hacks. How about you try to prove him guilty? If you are so sure then it must be easy for you to find more evidence. You are accusing after all and as far as I'm concerned I refuted everything you provided. | ||
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mashix
Singapore21 Posts
Give a bit more context to this incident, the game was played during a tournament. After this match, they disqualified the Protoss player for map hacking reason (they here are clan TM - the organizer, also the team that WhatTheF is the captain) without any discussion with this Protoss player at all, giving no chance for him to explain. I actually didn't know this Protoss player before this incident, but I feel so unfair for him that WTF and clan TM accused him as Map hacker and Cheater publicly in front of all Vietnamese SC2 players. After giving them my comments about the Game that they are not even close to have any concrete proof that Protoss player is a map hacker, they came back and attacked me as I'm not qualified to comment :D. I'm not really active 100% in HoTS, and good as I was in WoL (in WoL, I played like 40-50games every day), but with about 20-30 games per season and being Master in NA, I think I still can give my opinion. @WTF: I will follow you everywhere until you give the apologize to that Protoss player. | ||
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padawan1997
Vietnam7 Posts
On May 13 2014 15:00 mashix wrote: @WTF: I will follow you everywhere until you give the apologize to that Protoss player. Remind me never mess up with u :'( | ||
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Nubbinz
United States57 Posts
Server: NA League: Platinum Replay: http://drop.sc/380516 Description: 5:10 -- pre-move marines / empties bunker prior to having vision of reaper location. If you slow it down you can see he reacts instantaneously before acquiring vision of them and is at least questionable. 14:30 -- pre-moves viking group to meet head on with my pack of medivacs with 0, absolutely 0 vision of the medivacs leaving, loading, or moving, 15:10 -- Watch more pre-moves and clicking to make sure vikings encounter my medivacs head on at 15:15 with 0 knowledge of their locations. He is seen moving his camera to vikings at the exact moment they are to meet with the medivacs. 16:10 -- The way he positions his tanks and immediately pulls back vikings to the third is a little less questionable as to me this almost seems normal. But the timing with siege tanks and the actions he takes to do so are very suspect and I would say much too precise for his platinum league ranking. 16:12 -- I dont like this one. He attack moves the vikings at the exact locations my medivac will be once again. Very suspect once again. Overall a lot of very advantageous movement / siege positioning with very little information or scanning. Correct me if I'm wrong but this guy definitely hacks. | ||
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Dynamicplayer
2 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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Jimmeh
United Kingdom908 Posts
Server: NA League: Masters http://drop.sc/380621 0 Overlord spread (literally other than his first "scouting" overlord he doesn't move a single one out of his base) , but still manages to do the following : ~22:35 - Starts sending mutas to deal with drop at his 5th before it comes into vision 23:49 - Sends lings to 5th to deal wwith unscouted drop. 26:10 - Sends mutas to deal with unscouted double medivac drop, then amoves directly onto them in fog of war at ~26:40 ~31:30 - Sends mutas to deal with yet another unscouted drop at his 6th. | ||
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Fegir
Germany3 Posts
Team: Ventus Pro Server: Eu League: Master http://drop.sc/380565 Game 1 Frost Cross Position (I took my 5th in 2 different places, he never checked any of those and always went to the right one) 8:10 Robotics Facility 8:42 I drop a Spire 9:17 suddenly double Stargate 10:15 Spire cancel 10:16 start Hydra Den (cancel later) 10:37 Robotics Bay 11:20 Stargates still not used , Start Hive (+2 Melee Upgrades running) 12:30 Add 2nd Robotics Facility to start building Immortals 14:30 Stargates still not used, built an Observer didn't use it anyways, so far perfect decision making 16:09 "Hidden 4th Base" 16:18 Unreal reaction time 16:40 backs away from my Army without seeing it 17:05 UNREAL HT commitment (not seeing my Infestors) 18:00 Stargates still not used 20:37 i start my 5th (unseen) 21:35 9 Zealot Warp-in rallyd to my unseen 5th 24:25 Better rally the Voidrays to my new unseen 5th (other place) 25:09 6 Zealot Warp In (like 5th before but this time no 5th there, which he does not know about) rallys them straight to the 4th without even checking 5th 27:30 I walk to his 4th (which he doesn't see) he starts moving his army over there 30:00 starts rallying to my unseen 5th base 30:45 Warps Units in to defend my Zerglings he doesn't see After this game i didn't think of anything like Maphack but watching the Replay it's kinda obvious. Then i started playing again and met him a 2nd time: http://drop.sc/380566 Game 2: Frost Cross Position 1:00 rally a probe cross position 1:45 start Forge 2:05 waits in front of my base (didn't see if it was there or an Overlord) 6:00 He goes Robotics facility 7:25 starts Robotics Bay 8:04 Start Spire 8:35 start double Stargate (not scouting whatsoever) 9:45 I start 9 Mutalisks 9:55 starts double Phoenix production I do a Zergling Mutalisk push he is not able to defend. After watching the replay i think it's a pretty obvious Map-Hacker (perfect reactions without scouting anything). I already reported him Ingame | ||
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STATICOwNz
Germany1 Post
Name:NGCKalypso Race:Terran Rank:highmaster In trainings 1on1. hack thes guy http://drop.sc/380661 10:30... go off igame cam player cam and u see it ty for ban him ! | ||
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Unsane
Canada170 Posts
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7795 Posts
Server: NA Race: Zerg Rank: Master http://sc2replaystats.com/replay/528695 The only scouting he does the whole game (on Merry Go Round) is 4 lings he sends to my base around 5ish minutes or so. His first overlord goes to his natural and every single other one of his overlords goes to behind his main mineral line. Usually calling someone a maphacker mid game can sometimes result in embarrassment, but this was so, so blatant. I would apologize for my BM, but, you know. Pathetic waste of life maphacker. Around 10 minutes he goes to move his army across the map, but I have lings move to threaten a counterattack that he can't see. Despite having no vision of the lings at all, he pulls his army back to a more defensive position. My initial roach/ling pressure build COULD have been defended based on the gas timing he saw, but that's making a LOT of assumptions, and judging by the rest of the game and complete lack of scouting, it's more likely his two spine crawlers (conveniently just in time for my push) were based off his maphacky knowledge. Sad thing is I could have won this game if I didn't take a completely ridiculous engagement, but I had already kind of given up. Just shows that anything is possible.  EDIT: There's a part where my lings go to kill some spines at his 3rd and he doesn't move his army at all until they're in sight, but right before this I called him out on how blatant his maphacking was. This might have been an attempt to save face, but the damage had already been done. http://sc2replaystats.com/replay/528704 I queue up another ladder game and hit him again. He actually sends his overlord out on the map this time, but 6 pools me and sends his lings/drones straight to my base. Again, that doesn't mean maphack so much as 50/50 luck but put it together with the entirety of last game and you have a surefire maphack pipebomb. My favourite part of the game was him being cute and dancing his lings/drones and then losing. One of the ONLY times offensive gg is warranted. | ||
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zDreaM
United States16 Posts
On May 15 2014 12:35 Jimmeh wrote: Hacker: Spectrum Server: NA League: Masters http://drop.sc/380621 0 Overlord spread (literally other than his first "scouting" overlord he doesn't move a single one out of his base) , but still manages to do the following : ~22:35 - Starts sending mutas to deal with drop at his 5th before it comes into vision 23:49 - Sends lings to 5th to deal wwith unscouted drop. 26:10 - Sends mutas to deal with unscouted double medivac drop, then amoves directly onto them in fog of war at ~26:40 ~31:30 - Sends mutas to deal with yet another unscouted drop at his 6th. Let's talk about that game for a second, I am Spectrum btw. Let's talk about how you didn't scout a single thing that whole game except for my main hatchery for the first 12ish minutes. The most common follow-up to ling bane all-in is to go into ling bane muta, yet for some reason you made siege tanks... and whoop dee doo what do you know I'm doing a roach bane follow-up instead. After you see me make 15ish roaches, you decide to stop your siege tank production and go into thors and missile turrets... the turrets I can respect, but you hadn't even scanned to see whether I had lair or a spire... had I gone for a mass roach push you would've died, of course I didn't because I assumed you saw my roaches and it would be suicide knowing you're making tanks, but you didn't. Also, somehow, you were going mech and were still making marines and the interesting part is that you opened for mech but added rax for no reason to go into some really terrible form of biomech. You opened 3 fact into 3rax, that's not normal. However, I don't think you were maphacking. Now let's talk about the timestamps, at 22:30ish you scanned my 5th, It's very normal for Terrans to drop the base they JUST scanned. I saw you scan it, so I sent my muta there to snipe your stuff that I thought was coming, and if didn't come well then cool, I'll just drop down to harrass your base. You did drop though. Let's also mention the fact I saw your drop that went up, but no main army being aggressive anywhere, unless you're awful at this game, your drop is just a distraction for another drop. 23:49 What do you mean unscouted drop? You sent that drop over the watchtower which I had vision of, learn to pay attention before you accuse someone. If you're talking about how I knew you were gonna drop when you did, I saw you send it, it never came, it's freaking obvs you're waiting. 26:10 Again, you dropped my bottom base first, without being aggressive with your main army. You've done this twice already, People adapt to the game they are playing guy. It's not like I won't expect you to do the same move twice in the same game. It didn't hurt to check with my muta if a drop came or not. You've been super passive the ENTIRE game so I'm not afraid to keep my army split up at all, besides, I'm ahead... I said to myself "only thing that can screw me over are drops" YOU could NEVER push on my creep with the army and upgrade disadvantage you had. 31:30, I have no words for you. I saw you scan that base. You have no main army to speak of because I had just deleted it off the game, and then I sniped your 5th and you scan my base. My muta had no opportunity at your 4th because of turrets and reinforcements, besides it's bad to push your muta without ling/ultra support, so I figured "oh he's dropping the base he just scanned" It happens all the time to me. In all honesty, I just think you're being a sore loser. | ||
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Fibbz
Germany62 Posts
Server: EU League: Diamond Replay: http://ggtracker.com/matches/5047516 This guy looks at my base at around 7-8 mins and after this he looks through the fog of war every time a dropship comes near his base. You can see that he is a maphacker easily. Greetz | ||
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tektonic
United States1 Post
League: Rank 1 Diamond (Master MMR) Replay: http://drop.sc/381203 Server: NA Description: At the ~12 minute mark aborts drop because knows i have defense. At ~14 minute mark aborts drop because knows i have defense without actually being able to see it. Also more conclusive evidence. watch and have a laugh at how blatant this guy is... Bliz plz ban | ||
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iFRenew
Germany1 Post
League: Master Replay:http://drop.sc/381212 Server: EU Description: I play 8 pool with scout on Frost. He blindcountered it with 12 pool without any scouting. He would be far behind in other games. | ||
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Neonturtles
1 Post
On May 22 2014 23:25 iFRenew wrote: Hacker name: IIIIIIIIIIII League: Master Replay:http://drop.sc/381212 Server: EU Description: I play 8 pool with scout on Frost. He blindcountered it with 12 pool without any scouting. He would be far behind in other games. 1. "Without any scouting" Who scouts Z v Z out of bronze? 2. Since when is Blind countering hacking? 3. When he saw your drone scout that early he even asked if you just did a 6 scout, any decent player would know something is up if someone is scouted from the first 6 drones. Poor post 0/10. | ||
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dealjb
Belgium2 Posts
See this game league:diamond Name: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3835420/1/Prophect/ Games: http://drop.sc/381250 TvT He all in me whit 2 rax next to my ramp whit no scout on a map whit 4 pos. He is a map hacker | ||
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