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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody. Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence. | ||
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CARO
Brazil1 Post
On November 26 2012 04:00 Zennith wrote: Can you fellas then please address the notion that this is NOT the first time he's hacked. There are multiple replays that offer very, very strong evidence. Hi ZGT User was banned for this post. | ||
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nand5
Brazil1 Post
search on google: "vtnc giria de brasileiro" User was warned for this post | ||
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tassblaster
Canada47 Posts
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Zennith
United States795 Posts
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mindjames
Israel413 Posts
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
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HyDrA_solic
Portugal491 Posts
However in those two other games, it is in fact weird play by the brasilian "superstar". | ||
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Eifer
United States138 Posts
On November 26 2012 04:33 RezJ wrote: Someone needs to make a 2.0 thread and start reviewing and confirming hackers again. This thread has lost its deterrence. This thread never had deterrence. That's the entire point of the thread. | ||
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Zennith
United States795 Posts
On November 26 2012 05:33 HyDrA_solic wrote: Well Zenith, in Dakkon's defense, that 10pool + gas is actually a build. You hide your lings in order to deny any ovie scouting of early lings. When speed completes, you rally them to enemy. Nothing fancy there. However in those two other games, it is in fact weird play by the brasilian "superstar". I agree with you - and had I not seen those replays before, I'd likely not have posted with this one. But when he does this sort of thing over and over again (I looked at his match history, and couldn't find another instance of him doing that build that he used against me), it gets suspect. | ||
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( bush
321 Posts
On November 26 2012 03:45 Zennith wrote: Can we also note, if you find this game inconclusive, that I'm hardly the first person to accuse Dakkon. Doing research, I see there's quite a dossier on him in different languages. THere are also two replays earlier in this thread: That help to offer pretty strong evidence. He is being accused of hacking by the whole brazilian community but his fans. Theres a lot of weird games that he played in clanwars and tournaments, and im going to post the replays here if you are interested: DakkoN vs Capoch – http://drop.sc/273372 This game is ridiculous. When Capoch starts his warpprism, Dakkon with no scout, immediately rallies his production to his main base and proceeds to defend easily Capoch's sentry drop. DakkoN vs Duolonn – http://drop.sc/273323 Almost at the end of the game, Dakkon simply moves his banelings exactly in the moment that his opponent was trying to do a runby. Its really funny how the kid has so good game sense while being a mid master who cant even macro properly. DakkoN x Tonho http://drop.sc/273609 Another great example of good gamesense. DakkoN does a weird build, with 0 scouting he throws down a Spire and prepare s a Roach Corruptor army. Whats his opponent doing? A 2 base colossi all in. Note: Dakkon doesnt even know if theres a third base for the protoss player. Also, theres an account in the map hacking website flarebase / valiantchaos forum with the name Dakkon. The account is VIP and was created more than 1 year ago. You can create an account in this forum and search for DakkoN in the "community" tab and see it with your own eyes. http://i.imgur.com/VmkQTh.jpg | ||
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Zennith
United States795 Posts
Edit: And seeing as how this guy styles himself a pro, this is relatively significant. He even played at IEM. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
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-Debaser-
United States329 Posts
Also, theres an account in the map hacking website flarebase / valiantchaos forum with the name Dakkon. The account is VIP and was created more than 1 year ago. You can create an account in this forum and search for DakkoN in the "community" tab and see it with your own eyes. http://i.imgur.com/VmkQTh.jpg GG nothing else needs to be said... | ||
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iCoNz.BoSS
United States17 Posts
i think someone else could have made that account though | ||
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HyDrA_solic
Portugal491 Posts
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Roman666
Poland1440 Posts
On November 26 2012 05:33 HyDrA_solic wrote: Well Zenith, in Dakkon's defense, that 10pool + gas is actually a build. You hide your lings in order to deny any ovie scouting of early lings. When speed completes, you rally them to enemy. Nothing fancy there. However in those two other games, it is in fact weird play by the brasilian "superstar". I watched the first replay: - He saw scv at 2:28 with overlord, he could know that the bunker rush is incoming, especially that the SCV was going to the right (not wanted to be seen), when they were playing on a I think what it was a cross position map (MLG). - Then he does blind counter to helions opening, with no scouting. - He built spores, well many times after helions, banshees are coming so nothing very fancy here. We could say he wanted to be safe. - Another thing when he sends group of lings to his third, with no previous vision of it. - This end game attack on the fixed terran position, also without previous scouting. How the hell you ram the siege/bunker line without even knowing it is there. Overall I cannot imagine anyone playing at this level with such level of scouting. He scouts almost nothing in this game, has two overlords near to the third and main but these are out of vision. I cannot say 100% it was maphack but for sure this is a fishy play. | ||
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mindjames
Israel413 Posts
On November 26 2012 06:06 Eifer wrote: This thread never had deterrence. That's the entire point of the thread. You're wrong. When Zwei was still reviewing those replays, the word did get to Blizzard, and they even posted in this thread. They banned about 6-7 people who were confirmed here. So this is not in vain. | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
Server: EU League: Master, 1214 points, 64 wins / 65 losses. http://sc2ranks.com/ru/135792/CrazyAPM Description / Replays: CrazyAPM (p, bot left) vs soulbrother (z, bot right) @ shakuras pool firs vs forge first @2:06 probe dodges the overlord outside soulbrothers (my) natural without vision, and runs up to start pylon block. puts down a nex @6:25 looks into my base clouded by FOW. @7:40 going stargate, takes another look into my base. @8:20 souldbrother making roaches and starting a nydus. @8:40 sets the rally into FOW where an overlord his, he has no vision. @8:50 puts a plyon to cover the left side of his base where the overlord is. pays absolutely no attention to the right side of the base, where there are no overlords spotting. kills of the ovi as soulbrother takes his natural and goes hydras. @14:00 moves out for a gateway stargate attack. gets fended off. CrazyAPM (p, top left) vs flyHigh (t, bot right) @ ohana no probe scout, goes nex first. flyHigh going 1 rax exp. puts down 2 gates and chronos out the zealot, flyHigh is pulling scvs to pressure nex. @6:56 is losing probes to the marine pressure, has no scouting, is still on 2 gates and 1 gas. puts down a third nexus. flyHigh is making his third nex. @9:35 is going doulbe forge, with no scouting still. flyHigh is starting +1 +1. @10:25 has still not turned his gateways into warpgates. flyHigh moving out to pressure his third. loses third but cleans up with some probe losses. leaves game when the next attack kills his army. CrazyAPM (p, bot left) vs ChrisJ (p, bot right) @ entombed valley no probe scout from CrazyAPM, ChrisJ scouts him first. @4:45 ChrisJ going for a 4 gate, CrazyAPM going 3 gate. @4:50 completely walls of his front with no scouting info while going 3 gate with stalkers. dies to the 4 gate. CrazyAPM (p, bot left) vs Spirates (t, top right) @ tal'darim altar nexus first, no probe scout, into gate. spirates going 1 rax exp with scv scout, scouts him second. @3:40 slects his probe and moves towards were the scv comes up just as it does come up the ramp, the gate was not done so it was not to place a building. upon scouting the nex spirates sends some some marines across map to pressure. crazyAPM is chronoing gate. @4:20 takes a glance into fow at marines spirates putting down 2 more rax @5:50 jukes out spirates marines with the zealot that chased away the marines, outside the bot right natural. he doesn't even know if spirates spawned there. goign robo and double forge off 1 gate, spirates going into stim getting reactors and adding another cc. @7:46 adds on a third nexus blindly, off one gate with double forge. still no scouting. @9:04 looks straight Spirates marine force outside Spirates main. @10:35 spirates moving out with first two medevacs towards the third of CrazyAPM. he moves his army down and has a peak at spirates force through FOW. @11:02 spirates stims up a few marines into nat and third, CrazyAPM moves his army to the natural ramp where spirates is moving up. cleans up attack. @12:25 another look at spirates army into fog of war. @13:50 looks into fog of war on double drop outside his third and moves his army down, and warps in hts to feedback medevacs at his natural. is looking at his natural as they come into vision. @15:20 looks into fog of war at 3 misrallied medevacs and moves to kill at the xnt outside his nat. @15:40 gets caught off guard by a double drop at his third. this is a nice example of how the argument about 'he let X happen, clearly he is not maphacking' is not a good one. maphacking doesn't give you good multitasking, only good scouting. @16:57 warps in zealots to the 11 o'clock main where spirates is building a cc, he has no vision. @19:22 takes a peak at spirates army through fog of war @20:54 looks at spirates big drop through fog of war three first replays are pretty suspicious, but the last one vs spirates is beyond conclusive. On November 29 2012 06:16 MooLen wrote: confirmed http://drop.sc/279696 Big shoutout to you guys, i would never have scouted there if i wouldnt have read this thread :D edit by nunez: proxy gates on entombed | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
On November 21 2012 11:44 HyDrA_solic wrote: Hi machina  Yup, just played him, and beat him. However we can see pre siege, anti ling counter, blindly, all the time. Man, this guy is baaaaad!Just ban him blizzard http://drop.sc/277423 http://drop.sc/278781 posting this just for now. going to analyze later. need to eat some breakfast first. | ||
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Wertheron
France439 Posts
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