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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.

Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence.
CARO
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1 Post
November 25 2012 19:12 GMT
#3761
On November 26 2012 04:00 Zennith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 03:58 Azurator wrote:
Sure and the Germany, Poland, France, Canada and Finland guys are alll fakes... even the 3k posts guy.



Can you fellas then please address the notion that this is NOT the first time he's hacked. There are multiple replays that offer very, very strong evidence.


Hi ZGT

User was banned for this post.
nand5
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1 Post
November 25 2012 19:13 GMT
#3762
@Zennith, tu é zGt né baitola?
search on google: "vtnc giria de brasileiro"

User was warned for this post
tassblaster
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada47 Posts
November 25 2012 19:19 GMT
#3763
zennith LOLLOL no comment
Zennith
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States795 Posts
November 25 2012 19:27 GMT
#3764
The quality of these past few posts has been superb.
Sentinel Gaming Competitive Team Manager | 1500+ points Masters Zerg | twitch.tv/zennith6
mindjames
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Israel322 Posts
November 25 2012 19:33 GMT
#3765
Someone needs to make a 2.0 thread and start reviewing and confirming hackers again. This thread has lost its deterrence.
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
November 25 2012 20:13 GMT
#3766
Well.... this thread has taken quite a hit
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
HyDrA_solic
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Portugal491 Posts
November 25 2012 20:33 GMT
#3767
Well Zenith, in Dakkon's defense, that 10pool + gas is actually a build. You hide your lings in order to deny any ovie scouting of early lings. When speed completes, you rally them to enemy. Nothing fancy there.

However in those two other games, it is in fact weird play by the brasilian "superstar".
It's all about the reflections of freedom. Even though he hoped for a better world, with all his strenght, all his will, the most he could do was to make her smile.
Eifer
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States138 Posts
November 25 2012 21:06 GMT
#3768
On November 26 2012 04:33 RezJ wrote:
Someone needs to make a 2.0 thread and start reviewing and confirming hackers again. This thread has lost its deterrence.


This thread never had deterrence. That's the entire point of the thread.
Zennith
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States795 Posts
November 25 2012 21:38 GMT
#3769
On November 26 2012 05:33 HyDrA_solic wrote:
Well Zenith, in Dakkon's defense, that 10pool + gas is actually a build. You hide your lings in order to deny any ovie scouting of early lings. When speed completes, you rally them to enemy. Nothing fancy there.

However in those two other games, it is in fact weird play by the brasilian "superstar".



I agree with you - and had I not seen those replays before, I'd likely not have posted with this one. But when he does this sort of thing over and over again (I looked at his match history, and couldn't find another instance of him doing that build that he used against me), it gets suspect.
Sentinel Gaming Competitive Team Manager | 1500+ points Masters Zerg | twitch.tv/zennith6
( bush
Profile Joined April 2011
321 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-25 21:48:53
November 25 2012 21:42 GMT
#3770
On November 26 2012 03:45 Zennith wrote:
Can we also note, if you find this game inconclusive, that I'm hardly the first person to accuse Dakkon. Doing research, I see there's quite a dossier on him in different languages. THere are also two replays earlier in this thread:

Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 11:09 Bombs wrote:
Hacker name: |FK|DakkoN
Server: NA
League: Master, Rank 2


Replay 1: Dakkon vs Danny http://drop.sc/273322

What to look for:

- 3:09 Danny starts a bunker in Dakkon natural.

- 3:19 Dakkon with NO VISION, sends 2 drones to stop the bunker.

- 5:25 Dakkon starts his third, no vision in the map, no overlords spoting gas or anything.

- 6:20 Danny controls the xel naga tower, denying any map control from Dakkon, Dakkon with no overlords in the map for scouting and information. (And he also didn't scouted with an overlord, or overseer to look for Bio/Mech play).

- 8:00 Dakkon makes 1 spore crawler in each base after he sees 2 hellions, but the point is that as said before no overlord, no poke with lings for information by Dakkon.

- 10:22 After 4 minutes of pure dronning in the dark, the zerg player decides to get control of the xel naga tower.

- 11:41 Dakkon finally makes his first scout in the game, doing a runby on the third of Danny.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Replay 2 Dakkon vs Filho http://drop.sc/273325

What to look for:

- 11:00 Filho goes through the side to start the aggression

- 11:29 Dakkon has no vision of Filho's army, and then randomly sends 12 roaches to Filho base and keeps the remaining roaches at the center of the map at the xel naga tower (?)

- 12:52 Dakkon not even use the xel naga tower to control the map, simply forms a big concave exactly from the position that Filho is coming from and sets the rally point as it seems he knew it was coming from, because rallying there makes no sense.





That help to offer pretty strong evidence.


He is being accused of hacking by the whole brazilian community but his fans. Theres a lot of weird games that he played in clanwars and tournaments, and im going to post the replays here if you are interested:

DakkoN vs Capoch – http://drop.sc/273372
This game is ridiculous. When Capoch starts his warpprism, Dakkon with no scout, immediately rallies his production to his main base and proceeds to defend easily Capoch's sentry drop.

DakkoN vs Duolonn – http://drop.sc/273323
Almost at the end of the game, Dakkon simply moves his banelings exactly in the moment that his opponent was trying to do a runby. Its really funny how the kid has so good game sense while being a mid master who cant even macro properly.

DakkoN x Tonho
http://drop.sc/273609
Another great example of good gamesense. DakkoN does a weird build, with 0 scouting he throws down a Spire and prepare s a Roach Corruptor army. Whats his opponent doing? A 2 base colossi all in. Note: Dakkon doesnt even know if theres a third base for the protoss player.

Also, theres an account in the map hacking website flarebase / valiantchaos forum with the name Dakkon. The account is VIP and was created more than 1 year ago. You can create an account in this forum and search for DakkoN in the "community" tab and see it with your own eyes.

http://i.imgur.com/VmkQTh.jpg
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Zennith
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States795 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-25 21:50:15
November 25 2012 21:45 GMT
#3771
Well that seems pretty conclusive.

Edit: And seeing as how this guy styles himself a pro, this is relatively significant. He even played at IEM.
Sentinel Gaming Competitive Team Manager | 1500+ points Masters Zerg | twitch.tv/zennith6
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
November 25 2012 22:00 GMT
#3772
There should be a rule that you can't post in this thread with accounts with less than 10 posts or something.
twitch.tv/medrea
-Debaser-
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States329 Posts
November 25 2012 22:09 GMT
#3773

Also, theres an account in the map hacking website flarebase / valiantchaos forum with the name Dakkon. The account is VIP and was created more than 1 year ago. You can create an account in this forum and search for DakkoN in the "community" tab and see it with your own eyes.

http://i.imgur.com/VmkQTh.jpg


GG nothing else needs to be said...
TL+ Member
iCoNz.BoSS
Profile Joined June 2012
United States17 Posts
November 26 2012 03:44 GMT
#3774
On November 26 2012 07:09 Foogazi wrote:
Show nested quote +

Also, theres an account in the map hacking website flarebase / valiantchaos forum with the name Dakkon. The account is VIP and was created more than 1 year ago. You can create an account in this forum and search for DakkoN in the "community" tab and see it with your own eyes.

http://i.imgur.com/VmkQTh.jpg


GG nothing else needs to be said...


i think someone else could have made that account though
live life as humble as a peasant, but show pride like youre a king
HyDrA_solic
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Portugal491 Posts
November 26 2012 05:22 GMT
#3775
Still the evidences against Dakkon are now stronger.. I reclaim a fair trial.
It's all about the reflections of freedom. Even though he hoped for a better world, with all his strenght, all his will, the most he could do was to make her smile.
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
November 26 2012 05:30 GMT
#3776
On November 26 2012 05:33 HyDrA_solic wrote:
Well Zenith, in Dakkon's defense, that 10pool + gas is actually a build. You hide your lings in order to deny any ovie scouting of early lings. When speed completes, you rally them to enemy. Nothing fancy there.

However in those two other games, it is in fact weird play by the brasilian "superstar".

I watched the first replay:

- He saw scv at 2:28 with overlord, he could know that the bunker rush is incoming, especially that the SCV was going to the right (not wanted to be seen), when they were playing on a I think what it was a cross position map (MLG).
- Then he does blind counter to helions opening, with no scouting.
- He built spores, well many times after helions, banshees are coming so nothing very fancy here. We could say he wanted to be safe.
- Another thing when he sends group of lings to his third, with no previous vision of it.
- This end game attack on the fixed terran position, also without previous scouting. How the hell you ram the siege/bunker line without even knowing it is there.

Overall I cannot imagine anyone playing at this level with such level of scouting. He scouts almost nothing in this game, has two overlords near to the third and main but these are out of vision. I cannot say 100% it was maphack but for sure this is a fishy play.
mindjames
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Israel322 Posts
November 26 2012 05:58 GMT
#3777
On November 26 2012 06:06 Eifer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 04:33 RezJ wrote:
Someone needs to make a 2.0 thread and start reviewing and confirming hackers again. This thread has lost its deterrence.


This thread never had deterrence. That's the entire point of the thread.

You're wrong. When Zwei was still reviewing those replays, the word did get to Blizzard, and they even posted in this thread. They banned about 6-7 people who were confirmed here. So this is not in vain.
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 09:20:50
November 26 2012 07:19 GMT
#3778
Player: CrazyAPM (he has really low apm, around 60 usually), protoss, http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/135792/2/CrazyAPM/
Server: EU
League: Master, 1214 points, 64 wins / 65 losses. http://sc2ranks.com/ru/135792/CrazyAPM

Description / Replays:

CrazyAPM (p, bot left) vs soulbrother (z, bot right) @ shakuras

pool firs vs forge first
@2:06 probe dodges the overlord outside soulbrothers (my) natural without vision, and runs up to start pylon block.
puts down a nex
@6:25 looks into my base clouded by FOW.
@7:40 going stargate, takes another look into my base.
@8:20 souldbrother making roaches and starting a nydus.
@8:40 sets the rally into FOW where an overlord his, he has no vision.
@8:50 puts a plyon to cover the left side of his base where the overlord is. pays absolutely no attention to the right side of the base, where there are no overlords spotting.
kills of the ovi as soulbrother takes his natural and goes hydras.
@14:00 moves out for a gateway stargate attack. gets fended off.

CrazyAPM (p, top left) vs flyHigh (t, bot right) @ ohana

no probe scout, goes nex first. flyHigh going 1 rax exp.
puts down 2 gates and chronos out the zealot, flyHigh is pulling scvs to pressure nex.
@6:56 is losing probes to the marine pressure, has no scouting, is still on 2 gates and 1 gas. puts down a third nexus. flyHigh is making his third nex.
@9:35 is going doulbe forge, with no scouting still. flyHigh is starting +1 +1.
@10:25 has still not turned his gateways into warpgates. flyHigh moving out to pressure his third. loses third but cleans up with some probe losses. leaves game when the next attack kills his army.

CrazyAPM (p, bot left) vs ChrisJ (p, bot right) @ entombed valley

no probe scout from CrazyAPM, ChrisJ scouts him first.
@4:45 ChrisJ going for a 4 gate, CrazyAPM going 3 gate.
@4:50 completely walls of his front with no scouting info while going 3 gate with stalkers.
dies to the 4 gate.

CrazyAPM (p, bot left) vs Spirates (t, top right) @ tal'darim altar

nexus first, no probe scout, into gate. spirates going 1 rax exp with scv scout, scouts him second.
@3:40 slects his probe and moves towards were the scv comes up just as it does come up the ramp, the gate was not done so it was not to place a building.
upon scouting the nex spirates sends some some marines across map to pressure. crazyAPM is chronoing gate.
@4:20 takes a glance into fow at marines
spirates putting down 2 more rax
@5:50 jukes out spirates marines with the zealot that chased away the marines, outside the bot right natural. he doesn't even know if spirates spawned there.
goign robo and double forge off 1 gate, spirates going into stim getting reactors and adding another cc.
@7:46 adds on a third nexus blindly, off one gate with double forge. still no scouting.
@9:04 looks straight Spirates marine force outside Spirates main.
@10:35 spirates moving out with first two medevacs towards the third of CrazyAPM. he moves his army down and has a peak at spirates force through FOW.
@11:02 spirates stims up a few marines into nat and third, CrazyAPM moves his army to the natural ramp where spirates is moving up. cleans up attack.
@12:25 another look at spirates army into fog of war.
@13:50 looks into fog of war on double drop outside his third and moves his army down, and warps in hts to feedback medevacs at his natural. is looking at his natural as they come into vision.
@15:20 looks into fog of war at 3 misrallied medevacs and moves to kill at the xnt outside his nat.
@15:40 gets caught off guard by a double drop at his third. this is a nice example of how the argument about 'he let X happen, clearly he is not maphacking' is not a good one. maphacking doesn't give you good multitasking, only good scouting.
@16:57 warps in zealots to the 11 o'clock main where spirates is building a cc, he has no vision.
@19:22 takes a peak at spirates army through fog of war
@20:54 looks at spirates big drop through fog of war

three first replays are pretty suspicious, but the last one vs spirates is beyond conclusive.

On November 29 2012 06:16 MooLen wrote:
confirmed

http://drop.sc/279696

Big shoutout to you guys, i would never have scouted there if i wouldnt have read this thread :D

edit by nunez: proxy gates on entombed
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
November 26 2012 07:25 GMT
#3779
On November 21 2012 11:44 HyDrA_solic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 14:43 ImFromPortugal wrote:
Hacker name: Murdera
Server: Europe
League: Top Master
Replay: http://drop.sc/277101
Description/what to look for into the replay

lol just watch his camera view and lol

hacks in TvT are fun!

EDIT: the guy says he doesn't hack.. -_-


Hi machina Yup, just played him, and beat him. However we can see pre siege, anti ling counter, blindly, all the time. Man, this guy is baaaaad!
Just ban him blizzard

http://drop.sc/277423


http://drop.sc/278781

posting this just for now. going to analyze later. need to eat some breakfast first.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
Wertheron
Profile Joined October 2011
France439 Posts
November 26 2012 09:55 GMT
#3780
Did you know that the hackers buy the hack nearly 55 euros for HoTS? I really don't understand how non pro players can paid 2x the price of the game just for cheating....
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