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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.
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On October 31 2012 12:58 Doodsmack wrote:
I think it's really important that someone take over for Zwei and keep this effort going, as it got proven results from Blizzard; they even posted in this thread!! I would be interested to hear a mod's input on how someone could take over, i.e. should they make a "2.0" thread or would this thread be transferred to them? Seems simple enough for them to just make a new thread. Is there anyone willing to do this?
I'd very much be willing to help out and watch replays. There are also some in this thread who have done a great job so far.
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Anyone willing to take over just PM a mod to be made the new OP of this thread.
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There should be a list added to confirm what type of maphacks there are....
The current most popular one is probably the enemy route+current army+building tab+resource+player information hack
It acts as a maphack while removing no fog of war, and also allows the user to know what composition + how many units the opponent has, and also allows the user to check what strategy the opponent is doing due to resource+building hack
(Im not sure if the hack also shows what the opponent is researching too, but I think it does)
This might sound like blatant advertising of the hack, but the thing is, this hack is VERY subtle. There is no need for camera locking because the user doesnt have to look at the map to know what the opponent is doing, and since it doesnt remove fog, it requires no memory re-writing, making it almost (if not completely) impossible for warden to catch. It basically adds a transparent box somewhere on the screen (I think this is customizable) as an overlay that shows icons representing what the opponent has and is currently researching. It also adds an overlay on the minimap showing all movements, effectively removing fog of war in its own way.
It requires to community as a whole to act very diligently to catch these hackers, and even then it requires multiple replays of the user to build up any substantial evidence, since it can be pushed off as "luck" if theres only one game.
I havent studied the hacking community recently to know if theres any new ones as powerful (and free) as this,
Therefore, I feel that we should include a list of known hacks and how they work (ofc without linking and such), so we know how to catch and what things to look for.
If we want to take this seriously, "know thy enemy".
Example replay of this would be Eclipse KR/TW
I have not reported this replay to Bz yet since its only one game. I accepted my loss, and knew the game was probably over when he sniped the dropship.
I thought something was off during the game, but I pushed it off as badplay on my part and proceeded to play.
Had he not been so mouthy after the game it wouldve been fine. Im too lazy to upload the image evidence since I have to resize and crop it first, but heres the gist.
He went for the standard triple aoe rush build against terran.
After the game, I said I was not expecting this build and had way too much vikings, no ghosts to hold, and definetely not enough supply after the drop failed.
He said I had not enough mmm and wouldve won if I simply won if I went pure marauder viking.
This is bullshit. Triple aoe rush with heavy chargelot composition will rape pure marauder viking so fucking hard its not even funny. The collosi are only there to "trick" the terran into over-making vikings, wasting gas and production time that shouldve gone into medevacs and ghosts for the HTs/archons. Marauders by themselves wouldve melted completely to chargelots (not enough DPS + no room to kite) in this game. I pushed this off as dumb protoss suggestion since hes only plat and not a terran player so I cant fault him for not knowing how the other races should be played.
It requires a very decent composition from terran at a very tight timing to deal with nicely, which is why Squirtle had so much success with it in the last GSL Mvp won in.
So I ask him what build he went (I havent watched the replay at this point yet), since I saw 3 stalkers and 1 sentry defending against my drop, and that there was no way he can get obs that early if he went 1 gate FE to scout for my build, and there should be units at the front defending since he should be blind. Probably a stalker or two, some more sentries, some zealots to hold the front. No fucking way he can have this much with a one gate FE.
His reply was simply 1 gate FE (dafuq), and said he thought I probably had 7 marines 3 hellions (without me asking him anything, never mentioned the drop other than "I knew I lost the game when the build did no damage", and he steered right to defensive mode).
This is the part that made me watch the replay and analyze him as a player. First, its way too fucking precise from a player who did NOT scout, is completely blind save for seeing a couple marines to know my EXACT composition.
If he was a good player who understands T completely, He would know there should be 8 marines, NOT SEVEN, and since he wasnt looking when his stalker moved up, he didnt know how many marines I had, and can only know the stalker killed something if he looked at the stalker kill count.
I watched the replay and guess what? Hes blinder than I thought. He wasnt watching when his zealot died, and he wasnt watching when his stalker sniped one single marine. He never had vision of my base or nat. This is as blind as you can get for a protoss player against a terran.
He moved all his stuff to intercept a drop RIGHT AFTER I issued the command. His nat was completely open and unprotected, and he was looking ONLY at the 3 stalker 1 sentries, controlling them constantly, waiting for the drop to come.
I stopped watching after this so Im not sure what else I missed, but Im pretty sure thats it.
His comment regarding composition proved that he knows little of terran, and along with his league (I may be demeaning here), along with the fact that he stated he hasnt played in two months prior and during the game, its almost impossible for him to just know that a drop is coming when he is completely blind. The fact that he started defending himself in the comments before anyone said anything makes him that much more suspicious.
To clarify his league part, I have killed kr MASTERS with this build EASILY. Its designed to force a probe run to nat from main, and the hellions will intercept it directly. It requires perfect knowledge/reaction regarding the build to hold it off without taking damage with just a 1 gate FE. Mvp has used this exact build in Code S GSL FINALS and easily did damage even when the opponent had more scouting info.
But its only one game. Anyone who didnt have prior knowledge to the tool he was using will say it was luck, and even with knowledge, it can be pushed off as luck.
I need to gather more evidence and replays from him to be able to mount anything substantial for Blizzard to ban him (even now I have doubts myself since I may have loser's bias), which is why I wrote the above stating that we should at least spread the knowledge of all the hacks so we know what to look for when catching maphackers.
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^ Never, ever heard of that hack. And it sounds really stupid.
The most used hack atm is the dreaded and feared VCMH (ValiantChaos maphack) which includes blink hack, auto worker split at start + auto worker start, observer panels and many different modes of maphack.
We must focus on THIS^ hack, and fight against it, not the gimmicky one you mentioned.
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On November 01 2012 03:47 Thylacine wrote:
^ Never, ever heard of that hack. And it sounds really stupid.
The most used hack atm is the dreaded and feared VCMH (ValiantChaos maphack) which includes blink hack, auto worker split at start + auto worker start, observer panels and many different modes of maphack.
We must focus on THIS^ hack, and fight against it, not the gimmicky one you mentioned.
What you want me to PM the link to you or something?
The problem with this is how subtle it is. Its very easy to catch blink stalker hack because of how obvious it is. After one game of using it and you can report to blizzard.
The hack I just said doesnt have any blatant hacking and is basically a game knowledge hack, making it very very hard to catch.
But now that you mentioned it, the VCMH probably includes all the stuff I just mentioned
EDIT: For you, I went looking for it. This one is called the External maphack and was originally started by + Show Spoiler + until Bz forced him to stop because they cant do anything about it. Someone else picked up the work and is distributing it FREE. VCMH on the other hand, needs to be purchased first.
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On November 01 2012 03:51 padfoota wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 03:47 Thylacine wrote:
^ Never, ever heard of that hack. And it sounds really stupid.
The most used hack atm is the dreaded and feared VCMH (ValiantChaos maphack) which includes blink hack, auto worker split at start + auto worker start, observer panels and many different modes of maphack.
We must focus on THIS^ hack, and fight against it, not the gimmicky one you mentioned. What you want me to PM the link to you or something? The problem with this is how subtle it is. Its very easy to catch blink stalker hack because of how obvious it is. After one game of using it and you can report to blizzard. The hack I just said doesnt have any blatant hacking and is basically a game knowledge hack, making it very very hard to catch. But now that you mentioned it, the VCMH probably includes all the stuff I just mentioned
Its more important though to get ride of the blatant hackers first before we try to decrypt the hackers that may be using this subtle hack.
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On November 01 2012 03:54 HyperDesi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 03:51 padfoota wrote:On November 01 2012 03:47 Thylacine wrote:
^ Never, ever heard of that hack. And it sounds really stupid.
The most used hack atm is the dreaded and feared VCMH (ValiantChaos maphack) which includes blink hack, auto worker split at start + auto worker start, observer panels and many different modes of maphack.
We must focus on THIS^ hack, and fight against it, not the gimmicky one you mentioned. What you want me to PM the link to you or something? The problem with this is how subtle it is. Its very easy to catch blink stalker hack because of how obvious it is. After one game of using it and you can report to blizzard. The hack I just said doesnt have any blatant hacking and is basically a game knowledge hack, making it very very hard to catch. But now that you mentioned it, the VCMH probably includes all the stuff I just mentioned Its more important though to get ride of the blatant hackers first before we try to decrypt the hackers that may be using this subtle hack.
You mean its easier? Im suggesting a list of hacks/tools/bots included in the OP so we know what to look for, and improve our knowledge on the hacks so we can identify it fast.
In a way, Im trying to make this easier for us by showing an example on how sneaky+accessible these hacks can be.
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On November 01 2012 03:57 padfoota wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 03:54 HyperDesi wrote:On November 01 2012 03:51 padfoota wrote:On November 01 2012 03:47 Thylacine wrote:
^ Never, ever heard of that hack. And it sounds really stupid.
The most used hack atm is the dreaded and feared VCMH (ValiantChaos maphack) which includes blink hack, auto worker split at start + auto worker start, observer panels and many different modes of maphack.
We must focus on THIS^ hack, and fight against it, not the gimmicky one you mentioned. What you want me to PM the link to you or something? The problem with this is how subtle it is. Its very easy to catch blink stalker hack because of how obvious it is. After one game of using it and you can report to blizzard. The hack I just said doesnt have any blatant hacking and is basically a game knowledge hack, making it very very hard to catch. But now that you mentioned it, the VCMH probably includes all the stuff I just mentioned Its more important though to get ride of the blatant hackers first before we try to decrypt the hackers that may be using this subtle hack. You mean its easier? Im suggesting a list of hacks/tools/bots included in the OP so we know what to look for, and improve our knowledge on the hacks so we can identify it fast. In a way, Im trying to make this easier for us by showing an example on how sneaky+accessible these hacks can be.
Even though its easier if blizzard isnt taking care of those hackers why would they take interest in the hackers that are questionable?
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On November 01 2012 04:02 HyperDesi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 03:57 padfoota wrote:On November 01 2012 03:54 HyperDesi wrote:On November 01 2012 03:51 padfoota wrote:On November 01 2012 03:47 Thylacine wrote:
^ Never, ever heard of that hack. And it sounds really stupid.
The most used hack atm is the dreaded and feared VCMH (ValiantChaos maphack) which includes blink hack, auto worker split at start + auto worker start, observer panels and many different modes of maphack.
We must focus on THIS^ hack, and fight against it, not the gimmicky one you mentioned. What you want me to PM the link to you or something? The problem with this is how subtle it is. Its very easy to catch blink stalker hack because of how obvious it is. After one game of using it and you can report to blizzard. The hack I just said doesnt have any blatant hacking and is basically a game knowledge hack, making it very very hard to catch. But now that you mentioned it, the VCMH probably includes all the stuff I just mentioned Its more important though to get ride of the blatant hackers first before we try to decrypt the hackers that may be using this subtle hack. You mean its easier? Im suggesting a list of hacks/tools/bots included in the OP so we know what to look for, and improve our knowledge on the hacks so we can identify it fast. In a way, Im trying to make this easier for us by showing an example on how sneaky+accessible these hacks can be. Even though its easier if blizzard isnt taking care of those hackers why would they take interest in the hackers that are questionable?
So you're saying its basically pointless for us to be catching map hackers? We're just a bunch of internet vigilants who can only identify, but never judge?
Questionable becomes highly suspicious with proper knowledge, so we can look out for these players more and build up evidence.
Isnt that the whole point of this thread?
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Hacker name lllllllllllll
Server EU
League+Rank New season... Master
Replay http://drop.sc/269817
Description/what to look for into the replay : lol... He knows where I am, he said: u top left? he right... D:
// I have taken Colossus with prisme Speed, he doesn't use ANY scan, he anticipates every move, just watch the replay, the replay speaks for itself... Starcraft 2 make me sad - -
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On November 01 2012 21:04 dSpChrisJ wrote:Hacker name lllllllllllll Server EU League+Rank New season... Master Replay http://drop.sc/269817Description/what to look for into the replay : lol... He knows where I am, he said: u top left? he right... D: // I have taken Colossus with prisme Speed, he doesn't use ANY scan, he anticipates every move, just watch the replay, the replay speaks for itself... Starcraft 2 make me sad - -
Hacker name: llllllllllll (terran)
Server: EU
League+Rank: Master, rank 2, llllllllllll, 1358 points, 147 wins, 87 losses.
Replay: http://drop.sc/269817
Description:
ChrisJ (P, top left) vs llllllllllll (T, bot left) @ Antiga Shipyard
no scouting from llllllllllll.
1 rax triple CC blindly, ChrisJ going 1 gate expand.
@9:35 puts army in position to intercept warp prism. Has salvaged bunkers at front and leaves no units there, so it was not a case of splitting your forces up. Still no scouting at all.
@10:51 starts up a ghost academy, having only seen the warp prismed colossus. ChrisJ is now going into HT's.
@11:07 moves army to intercept a warp prism coming to his natural. Camera looking at the spot where it comes into vision.
@11:48 moves army up to intercept a warp prism coming into main again.
@13:14 attacks. does a 4 medevac drop from the front with no scan.
overall i'd say that a top master player who doesn't scan or scout at all is very suspicious on its own. luckily for him he does all the right moves with his army, and chooses the right tech at the proper time blindly (makes it even more suspicious).
a couple of more replays from him and i'm pretty sure we could be talking about some conclusive evidence yo!
ps: chrisJ, you bm'd me for no reason on ladder (you won the game). this game was probably just your bad karma kicking in.
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about him knowing position, the conversation went like this:
00:18 [All] llllllllllll: glhf
01:28 [All] llllllllllll: i spawned bottom left
01:29 [All] llllllllllll: u?
01:34 [All] ChrisJ: tg
01:39 [All] llllllllllll: top geft?
so it's not as suspicious as CJ makes it out to be. of course he could have said top gight as well, but in hindsight it seems strange (when you consider how barcode played).
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On October 27 2012 04:31 Siwelcela wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 04:10 StarcraftWonders wrote:everyone is going to LoL it seems...  but thanks zwei Lol i love how everyone says this because LoL is taking some of the players away but everytime i get on SC2 WoL or HOTS the numbers of people online are the same
Exactly, but Blizzard is doing a pretty good job, listening to the community in what they could do better etc. ...
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^ Triple OC is standard. It really is.
You can even hold off a 4gate with it (Taeja did this vs Grubby while going 3oc) and it's deffinetly reasonable to throw down that 3rd CC before scouting.
Given, if you do scout a 2gas then you will cancel the 3rd CC and make MM etc and prepare for the rush.
Anyway, I think that guy is a hacker. And quite blatant about it. You almost won vs him, though. oO
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 01 2012 21:35 nunez wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 21:04 dSpChrisJ wrote:Hacker name lllllllllllll Server EU League+Rank New season... Master Replay http://drop.sc/269817Description/what to look for into the replay : lol... He knows where I am, he said: u top left? he right... D: // I have taken Colossus with prisme Speed, he doesn't use ANY scan, he anticipates every move, just watch the replay, the replay speaks for itself... Starcraft 2 make me sad - - Hacker name: llllllllllll (terran) Server: EU League+Rank: Master, rank 2, llllllllllll, 1358 points, 147 wins, 87 losses. Replay: http://drop.sc/269817Description: ChrisJ (P, top left) vs llllllllllll (T, bot left) @ Antiga Shipyard no scouting from llllllllllll. 1 rax triple CC blindly, ChrisJ going 1 gate expand. @9:35 puts army in position to intercept warp prism. Has salvaged bunkers at front and leaves no units there, so it was not a case of splitting your forces up. Still no scouting at all. @10:51 starts up a ghost academy, having only seen the warp prismed colossus. ChrisJ is now going into HT's. @11:07 moves army to intercept a warp prism coming to his natural. Camera looking at the spot where it comes into vision. @11:48 moves army up to intercept a warp prism coming into main again. @13:14 attacks. does a 4 medevac drop from the front with no scan. overall i'd say that a top master player who doesn't scan or scout at all is very suspicious on its own. luckily for him he does all the right moves with his army, and chooses the right tech at the proper time blindly (makes it even more suspicious). a couple of more replays from him and i'm pretty sure we could be talking about some conclusive evidence yo! ps: chrisJ, you bm'd me for no reason on ladder (you won the game). this game was probably just your bad karma kicking in. edit: about him knowing position, the conversation went like this: 00:18 [All] llllllllllll: glhf 01:28 [All] llllllllllll: i spawned bottom left 01:29 [All] llllllllllll: u? 01:34 [All] ChrisJ: tg 01:39 [All] llllllllllll: top geft? so it's not as suspicious as CJ makes it out to be. of course he could have said top gight as well, but in hindsight it seems strange (when you consider how barcode played).
"tg" is short for "shut up" in french, so ChrisJ seems to be a "little" bm. But the evidence in the replay is damning to say the least.
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On November 01 2012 23:17 Thylacine wrote:
^ Triple OC is standard. It really is.
You can even hold off a 4gate with it (Taeja did this vs Grubby while going 3oc) and it's deffinetly reasonable to throw down that 3rd CC before scouting.
Given, if you do scout a 2gas then you will cancel the 3rd CC and make MM etc and prepare for the rush.
Anyway, I think that guy is a hacker. And quite blatant about it. You almost won vs him, though. oO
he didn't scout at all, hence the remark.
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On November 01 2012 23:37 NeonFox wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 01 2012 21:35 nunez wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 21:04 dSpChrisJ wrote:Hacker name lllllllllllll Server EU League+Rank New season... Master Replay http://drop.sc/269817Description/what to look for into the replay : lol... He knows where I am, he said: u top left? he right... D: // I have taken Colossus with prisme Speed, he doesn't use ANY scan, he anticipates every move, just watch the replay, the replay speaks for itself... Starcraft 2 make me sad - - Hacker name: llllllllllll (terran) Server: EU League+Rank: Master, rank 2, llllllllllll, 1358 points, 147 wins, 87 losses. Replay: http://drop.sc/269817Description: ChrisJ (P, top left) vs llllllllllll (T, bot left) @ Antiga Shipyard no scouting from llllllllllll. 1 rax triple CC blindly, ChrisJ going 1 gate expand. @9:35 puts army in position to intercept warp prism. Has salvaged bunkers at front and leaves no units there, so it was not a case of splitting your forces up. Still no scouting at all. @10:51 starts up a ghost academy, having only seen the warp prismed colossus. ChrisJ is now going into HT's. @11:07 moves army to intercept a warp prism coming to his natural. Camera looking at the spot where it comes into vision. @11:48 moves army up to intercept a warp prism coming into main again. @13:14 attacks. does a 4 medevac drop from the front with no scan. overall i'd say that a top master player who doesn't scan or scout at all is very suspicious on its own. luckily for him he does all the right moves with his army, and chooses the right tech at the proper time blindly (makes it even more suspicious). a couple of more replays from him and i'm pretty sure we could be talking about some conclusive evidence yo! ps: chrisJ, you bm'd me for no reason on ladder (you won the game). this game was probably just your bad karma kicking in. edit: about him knowing position, the conversation went like this: 00:18 [All] llllllllllll: glhf 01:28 [All] llllllllllll: i spawned bottom left 01:29 [All] llllllllllll: u? 01:34 [All] ChrisJ: tg 01:39 [All] llllllllllll: top geft? so it's not as suspicious as CJ makes it out to be. of course he could have said top gight as well, but in hindsight it seems strange (when you consider how barcode played). "tg" is short for "shut up" in french, so ChrisJ seems to be a "little" bm. But the evidence in the replay is damning to say the least.
yes, ChrisJ is definately a douchebag in my eyes, but that isn't relevant.
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00:18 [All] llllllllllll: glhf
01:28 [All] llllllllllll: i spawned bottom left
01:29 [All] llllllllllll: u?
01:34 [All] ChrisJ: tg
01:39 [All] llllllllllll: top geft?
yes, ChrisJ is definately a douchebag in my eyes, but that isn't relevant.
Really, a person who gives this kind of information is a troll, I do not like it sorry bro.
And @ nunez: I'm manner all the time, Maybe you've got the wrong person?
Anyway cheater make me crazy and That 's why I reacted like that in the replay ...
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On November 01 2012 23:59 dSpChrisJ wrote:Show nested quote +00:18 [All] llllllllllll: glhf
01:28 [All] llllllllllll: i spawned bottom left
01:29 [All] llllllllllll: u?
01:34 [All] ChrisJ: tg
01:39 [All] llllllllllll: top geft? Really, a person who gives this kind of information is a troll, I do not like it sorry bro. And @ nunez: I'm manner all the time, Maybe you've got the wrong person? Anyway cheater make me crazy and That 's why I reacted like that in the replay ...
like i said, we played on ladder, and you bm'd me. but this is not relevant and derailing.
it was just a snide remark.
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maphacker in playhem called Extreme, this community sucks.
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EU master player behemoth
http://drop.sc/269962
This guy is clearly a maphacker, very suspicious play.
Going 1 gate robo and building 4 immortals before a observer without scouting - he knows i was going blink
Follows my army through fog of war at 10:00
Sends his warpprism right into my main at 10:50 - he never had any clue where i spawned
Before i blink he positiones at the exact location and uses guardian shield without seeing my army at all at 13:00
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