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On October 08 2012 18:47 Sokrates wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 16:52 Thylacine wrote:On October 08 2012 16:45 NMxhendralisk wrote:On October 08 2012 16:42 Thylacine wrote:
Even with maphack and production tab hack you cant really go to high master, because you still need to micro and macro good. Well it seems like all the plat protoss players with mh are able to get to top 16 gm on NA server Well yeah Protoss is easiest race regarding macro and micro with hacks so that's doable. But Impa was a low master level player if I remember correctly, so was the others. 8 Months ago when i played this guy he was plat the saison before. He blindcountered my 8 pool then did a 2 base blinkstalker allin with blink hack (which is a huge deal since it blinks back every stalker and he was just looking at this warpinpilons to the total duration at the fight) and barely won. So all he did was making 45 probes than adding 7 gates research blink and a move. He didnt even make a single unit before the allin because he knew that i wasnt going to attack, even a small push would have killed him. He is really really bad and i guess every gold/plat player can go up to highmasters without a sweat if they use all kinds of hacks esp. the map and blinkhack. They choose the easiest race for doing the strongest 2 base allins (all the hackers i ve played against were protoss players) and then they just a move in their units. You barely need any micro (hack does it for you anyway) or macro. You have to play on a decent level (like low masters) to get to topmasters/gm if you only play with a maphack, but if you use a blinkhack aswell, you can be plat and go all the way to gm.
The blink hack is extremly expensive. It is made by the dreaded ValiantChaos, a notorious hack creator. He has an insanely strong cheating machine which includes auto worker production + worker split early game, the blink hack and much other stuff.
This whole package cost 62 $.I shit you not. Can't belive they buy that.
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Considering the amount of time they spend playing this game i dont think 62 bucks is a lot of money.
Considering its irrational to cheat (you dont get anything out of it, you are only cheating yourself and others) in the first place it is even logic and consequent to spend that much money on a "good" hack.
In every sport there are a lot of assholes that cheat even knowning other people will notice it. I once saw a 50year old cheating on a 15year old in a tennis match by saying "out" when the ball was clearin in and all the people from the tennisclub could see it. I just cannot understand it.
I also cannot understand blizzard in this case, the replays i posted on the bnet forums where completly 100% true evidence that they maphacked and one was even using a blinkhack. Nothing happened so far. Srsly blizzard should check the replays, check the players memory and update your fucking warden.
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Blizzard ban in waves, so it's not like they get banned next week. Every month they send ban waves. Stop being mad and disrespectful to blizzard in general.
And still, the ValiantChaos maphack is overpowered and shouldn't exist. It's one thing fighting a normal hacker, but fighting someone with the ValiantChaos functions...not possible.
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On October 08 2012 22:50 Thylacine wrote:
Blizzard ban in waves, so it's not like they get banned next week. Every month they send ban waves. Stop being mad and disrespectful to blizzard in general.
And still, the ValiantChaos maphack is overpowered and shouldn't exist. It's one thing fighting a normal hacker, but fighting someone with the ValiantChaos functions...not possible.
Looking at this thread at the amount of hackers reported in Masters and in GM, there must be 100x more in lower leagues. Players who use hacks are in general bad players so there should be alot more in lower leagues.
Googling ValiantChaos got me to his forums where there are over 85 freakin pages of his maphack in ONE thread.
Thats over 1000 posts ....... geeezes christ.
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On October 08 2012 22:27 Sokrates wrote:
Considering the amount of time they spend playing this game i dont think 62 bucks is a lot of money.
Considering its irrational to cheat (you dont get anything out of it, you are only cheating yourself and others) in the first place it is even logic and consequent to spend that much money on a "good" hack.
In every sport there are a lot of assholes that cheat even knowning other people will notice it. I once saw a 50year old cheating on a 15year old in a tennis match by saying "out" when the ball was clearin in and all the people from the tennisclub could see it. I just cannot understand it.
I also cannot understand blizzard in this case, the replays i posted on the bnet forums where completly 100% true evidence that they maphacked and one was even using a blinkhack. Nothing happened so far. Srsly blizzard should check the replays, check the players memory and update your fucking warden.
because people arent actually hacking. for every 2000th or 3000th time someone's accused of hacking, it might be the case. but as of now, people are only derping over "oh mai lawd this is teh suspicious, must b the hacks", and I feel sorry for the random guys who must now suffer on the ladder because of ppl in this thread, who for whatever reason feel the obligation and authority to judge others, without any kind of actual evidence. i don't want to be the guy saying "herp derp let blizzard do their job", because i know blizzard isn't exactly being effective, however, this thread is definitely causing more bad than the hackers are.
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On October 08 2012 23:08 Pantythief wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 22:27 Sokrates wrote:
Considering the amount of time they spend playing this game i dont think 62 bucks is a lot of money.
Considering its irrational to cheat (you dont get anything out of it, you are only cheating yourself and others) in the first place it is even logic and consequent to spend that much money on a "good" hack.
In every sport there are a lot of assholes that cheat even knowning other people will notice it. I once saw a 50year old cheating on a 15year old in a tennis match by saying "out" when the ball was clearin in and all the people from the tennisclub could see it. I just cannot understand it.
I also cannot understand blizzard in this case, the replays i posted on the bnet forums where completly 100% true evidence that they maphacked and one was even using a blinkhack. Nothing happened so far. Srsly blizzard should check the replays, check the players memory and update your fucking warden. because people arent actually hacking. for every 2000th or 3000th time someone's accused of hacking, it might be the case. but as of now, people are only derping over "oh mai lawd this is teh suspicious, must b the hacks", and I feel sorry for the random guys who must now suffer on the ladder because of ppl in this thread, who for whatever reason feel the obligation and authority to judge others, without any kind of actual evidence. i don't want to be the guy saying "herp derp let blizzard do their job", because i know blizzard isn't exactly being effective, however, this thread is definitely causing more bad than the hackers are.
You might want to get off your imaginary moral pedestal and come back to reality. Maybe watch a few of the posted replays and help defend all those innocent people you believe in so much. It really doesn't sound like you've actually looked at any of the posted content.
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On October 08 2012 23:13 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 23:08 Pantythief wrote:On October 08 2012 22:27 Sokrates wrote:
Considering the amount of time they spend playing this game i dont think 62 bucks is a lot of money.
Considering its irrational to cheat (you dont get anything out of it, you are only cheating yourself and others) in the first place it is even logic and consequent to spend that much money on a "good" hack.
In every sport there are a lot of assholes that cheat even knowning other people will notice it. I once saw a 50year old cheating on a 15year old in a tennis match by saying "out" when the ball was clearin in and all the people from the tennisclub could see it. I just cannot understand it.
I also cannot understand blizzard in this case, the replays i posted on the bnet forums where completly 100% true evidence that they maphacked and one was even using a blinkhack. Nothing happened so far. Srsly blizzard should check the replays, check the players memory and update your fucking warden. because people arent actually hacking. for every 2000th or 3000th time someone's accused of hacking, it might be the case. but as of now, people are only derping over "oh mai lawd this is teh suspicious, must b the hacks", and I feel sorry for the random guys who must now suffer on the ladder because of ppl in this thread, who for whatever reason feel the obligation and authority to judge others, without any kind of actual evidence. i don't want to be the guy saying "herp derp let blizzard do their job", because i know blizzard isn't exactly being effective, however, this thread is definitely causing more bad than the hackers are. You might want to get off your imaginary moral pedestal and come back to reality. Maybe watch a few of the posted replays and help defend all those innocent people you believe in so much. It really doesn't sound like you've actually looked at any of the posted content.
i've been following this thread since the day it was made, i've been looking over most of the content provided by the accusing parties, it's safe to say that people don't know the difference between evidence and suspicious material.
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On October 08 2012 23:14 Pantythief wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 23:13 MrCash wrote:On October 08 2012 23:08 Pantythief wrote:On October 08 2012 22:27 Sokrates wrote:
Considering the amount of time they spend playing this game i dont think 62 bucks is a lot of money.
Considering its irrational to cheat (you dont get anything out of it, you are only cheating yourself and others) in the first place it is even logic and consequent to spend that much money on a "good" hack.
In every sport there are a lot of assholes that cheat even knowning other people will notice it. I once saw a 50year old cheating on a 15year old in a tennis match by saying "out" when the ball was clearin in and all the people from the tennisclub could see it. I just cannot understand it.
I also cannot understand blizzard in this case, the replays i posted on the bnet forums where completly 100% true evidence that they maphacked and one was even using a blinkhack. Nothing happened so far. Srsly blizzard should check the replays, check the players memory and update your fucking warden. because people arent actually hacking. for every 2000th or 3000th time someone's accused of hacking, it might be the case. but as of now, people are only derping over "oh mai lawd this is teh suspicious, must b the hacks", and I feel sorry for the random guys who must now suffer on the ladder because of ppl in this thread, who for whatever reason feel the obligation and authority to judge others, without any kind of actual evidence. i don't want to be the guy saying "herp derp let blizzard do their job", because i know blizzard isn't exactly being effective, however, this thread is definitely causing more bad than the hackers are. You might want to get off your imaginary moral pedestal and come back to reality. Maybe watch a few of the posted replays and help defend all those innocent people you believe in so much. It really doesn't sound like you've actually looked at any of the posted content. i've been following this thread since the day it was made, i've been looking over most of the content provided by the accusing parties, it's safe to say that people don't know the differences between evidence and suspicious material.
This is a community effort, no one is asked to believe random posters, but rather to analyze their submissions and those who have sufficient evidence are posted on the front page.
Are you saying half the stuff in the front page is wrong and destroying innocent players reputations?
Or do you simply believe that everyone believes every single hack accusation?
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On October 08 2012 23:19 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 23:14 Pantythief wrote:On October 08 2012 23:13 MrCash wrote:On October 08 2012 23:08 Pantythief wrote:On October 08 2012 22:27 Sokrates wrote:
Considering the amount of time they spend playing this game i dont think 62 bucks is a lot of money.
Considering its irrational to cheat (you dont get anything out of it, you are only cheating yourself and others) in the first place it is even logic and consequent to spend that much money on a "good" hack.
In every sport there are a lot of assholes that cheat even knowning other people will notice it. I once saw a 50year old cheating on a 15year old in a tennis match by saying "out" when the ball was clearin in and all the people from the tennisclub could see it. I just cannot understand it.
I also cannot understand blizzard in this case, the replays i posted on the bnet forums where completly 100% true evidence that they maphacked and one was even using a blinkhack. Nothing happened so far. Srsly blizzard should check the replays, check the players memory and update your fucking warden. because people arent actually hacking. for every 2000th or 3000th time someone's accused of hacking, it might be the case. but as of now, people are only derping over "oh mai lawd this is teh suspicious, must b the hacks", and I feel sorry for the random guys who must now suffer on the ladder because of ppl in this thread, who for whatever reason feel the obligation and authority to judge others, without any kind of actual evidence. i don't want to be the guy saying "herp derp let blizzard do their job", because i know blizzard isn't exactly being effective, however, this thread is definitely causing more bad than the hackers are. You might want to get off your imaginary moral pedestal and come back to reality. Maybe watch a few of the posted replays and help defend all those innocent people you believe in so much. It really doesn't sound like you've actually looked at any of the posted content. i've been following this thread since the day it was made, i've been looking over most of the content provided by the accusing parties, it's safe to say that people don't know the differences between evidence and suspicious material. This is a community effort, no one is asked to believe random posters, but rather to analyze their submissions and those who have sufficient evidence are posted on the front page. Are you saying half the stuff in the front page is wrong and destroying innocent players reputations? Or do you simply believe that everyone believes every single hack accusation?
Are you saying half the stuff in the front page is wrong and destroying innocent players reputations?
much more than half, correct
Or do you simply believe that everyone believes every single hack accusation?
..correct
I found 5-6 replays of actual hackers in this thread. solid and conclusive evidence being blink hack, auto worker construction, right click units in fog of war, etc.
five people agreeing on that something looks fishy is not conclusive evidence.
community effort or not, as good as it may sound like, it's still causing more bad than good.
my two cents, not going to discuss this any further.
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On October 08 2012 23:26 Pantythief wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 23:19 MrCash wrote:On October 08 2012 23:14 Pantythief wrote:On October 08 2012 23:13 MrCash wrote:On October 08 2012 23:08 Pantythief wrote:On October 08 2012 22:27 Sokrates wrote:
Considering the amount of time they spend playing this game i dont think 62 bucks is a lot of money.
Considering its irrational to cheat (you dont get anything out of it, you are only cheating yourself and others) in the first place it is even logic and consequent to spend that much money on a "good" hack.
In every sport there are a lot of assholes that cheat even knowning other people will notice it. I once saw a 50year old cheating on a 15year old in a tennis match by saying "out" when the ball was clearin in and all the people from the tennisclub could see it. I just cannot understand it.
I also cannot understand blizzard in this case, the replays i posted on the bnet forums where completly 100% true evidence that they maphacked and one was even using a blinkhack. Nothing happened so far. Srsly blizzard should check the replays, check the players memory and update your fucking warden. because people arent actually hacking. for every 2000th or 3000th time someone's accused of hacking, it might be the case. but as of now, people are only derping over "oh mai lawd this is teh suspicious, must b the hacks", and I feel sorry for the random guys who must now suffer on the ladder because of ppl in this thread, who for whatever reason feel the obligation and authority to judge others, without any kind of actual evidence. i don't want to be the guy saying "herp derp let blizzard do their job", because i know blizzard isn't exactly being effective, however, this thread is definitely causing more bad than the hackers are. You might want to get off your imaginary moral pedestal and come back to reality. Maybe watch a few of the posted replays and help defend all those innocent people you believe in so much. It really doesn't sound like you've actually looked at any of the posted content. i've been following this thread since the day it was made, i've been looking over most of the content provided by the accusing parties, it's safe to say that people don't know the differences between evidence and suspicious material. This is a community effort, no one is asked to believe random posters, but rather to analyze their submissions and those who have sufficient evidence are posted on the front page. Are you saying half the stuff in the front page is wrong and destroying innocent players reputations? Or do you simply believe that everyone believes every single hack accusation? Are you saying half the stuff in the front page is wrong and destroying innocent players reputations?much more than half, correct Or do you simply believe that everyone believes every single hack accusation?..correct I found 5-6 replays of actual hackers in this thread. solid and conclusive evidence being blink hack, auto worker construction, right click units in fog of war, etc. five people agreeing on that something looks fishy is not conclusive evidence. community effort or not, as good as it may sound like, it's still causing more bad than good. my two cents, not going to discuss this any further.
If you aren't willing to take criticism on your opinions, you shouldn't open your mouth in a public forum in the first place.
I go back to my original point, if you believe in this so much, you should point out the false accusations with your own evidence and explanations.
I quickly glanced over your submissions in this thread and you've made no such effort.
Personally, I can't vouch that every person on the front page is a hacker, but I've played against several of those people and know many others that have as well. No one has been able to come up with any explanations for their "suspicious" play.
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Pantythief, you are silver league. I dont think you can look at these replays in the same way as master leagues can.
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On October 08 2012 23:26 Pantythief wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 23:19 MrCash wrote:On October 08 2012 23:14 Pantythief wrote:On October 08 2012 23:13 MrCash wrote:On October 08 2012 23:08 Pantythief wrote:On October 08 2012 22:27 Sokrates wrote:
Considering the amount of time they spend playing this game i dont think 62 bucks is a lot of money.
Considering its irrational to cheat (you dont get anything out of it, you are only cheating yourself and others) in the first place it is even logic and consequent to spend that much money on a "good" hack.
In every sport there are a lot of assholes that cheat even knowning other people will notice it. I once saw a 50year old cheating on a 15year old in a tennis match by saying "out" when the ball was clearin in and all the people from the tennisclub could see it. I just cannot understand it.
I also cannot understand blizzard in this case, the replays i posted on the bnet forums where completly 100% true evidence that they maphacked and one was even using a blinkhack. Nothing happened so far. Srsly blizzard should check the replays, check the players memory and update your fucking warden. because people arent actually hacking. for every 2000th or 3000th time someone's accused of hacking, it might be the case. but as of now, people are only derping over "oh mai lawd this is teh suspicious, must b the hacks", and I feel sorry for the random guys who must now suffer on the ladder because of ppl in this thread, who for whatever reason feel the obligation and authority to judge others, without any kind of actual evidence. i don't want to be the guy saying "herp derp let blizzard do their job", because i know blizzard isn't exactly being effective, however, this thread is definitely causing more bad than the hackers are. You might want to get off your imaginary moral pedestal and come back to reality. Maybe watch a few of the posted replays and help defend all those innocent people you believe in so much. It really doesn't sound like you've actually looked at any of the posted content. i've been following this thread since the day it was made, i've been looking over most of the content provided by the accusing parties, it's safe to say that people don't know the differences between evidence and suspicious material. This is a community effort, no one is asked to believe random posters, but rather to analyze their submissions and those who have sufficient evidence are posted on the front page. Are you saying half the stuff in the front page is wrong and destroying innocent players reputations? Or do you simply believe that everyone believes every single hack accusation? Are you saying half the stuff in the front page is wrong and destroying innocent players reputations?much more than half, correct Or do you simply believe that everyone believes every single hack accusation?..correct I found 5-6 replays of actual hackers in this thread. solid and conclusive evidence being blink hack, auto worker construction, right click units in fog of war, etc. five people agreeing on that something looks fishy is not conclusive evidence. community effort or not, as good as it may sound like, it's still causing more bad than good. my two cents, not going to discuss this any further.
The whole front page is full of hackers, with plenty of evidence (and more still coming). Much more than 5-6 that you speak of.
Causing more bad than good? How so? You never explained why and are just spurting random nonsense like you're trying to derail the thread to begin with.
Anyways, moving on.
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Don't derail the thread please. There are lots of questionable submissions, but confirmed hackers are only posted on the front page when there's solid evidence that they've hacked. This community effort might not be perfect, but it's the best we can do to help Blizzard identify hackers. Blizz has more tools at their disposal, and they get the final call as to who loses their game key.
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Name: GGinADVANCE
Server:NA
League: Rank 2 Masters(1000+ points)
Replay: http://drop.sc/262542
Does zero scouting on TDA
Blink engagement at 12-13 minute; selects all his stalkers and blinks automatically.
Just skip to end and his perspective and blatant hacking
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Thread updated. I would like to thanks nBk for his help with the reports!
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On October 08 2012 17:20 TylerThaCreator wrote:
isn't IMHardfOu State or was at one point?
Yes, I played against State in a LAN just a few months ago and he used this ID.
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Name - Nerffy
Server - NA
League - Master 900pts or so
Replay - http://drop.sc/262653
Obvious, just another replay showing it. I was at least friendly with him. I do a lot of cheesy aggressive play with drops and such, so obvious I lose to a hacker knowing where and what I'm doing lol
He let's me know exact spot so at least he's friendly to open with the 'I hack' stuff =)
Makes me sad, because I'm just getting back into the game and feel like this hacking shit is so rampant.
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Name: AbbaZabba
Server:NA
League: Unknown? something wrong with his profile it even shows 3k+ games this season 1400+ wins 1v1 (thats insane)
Replay: http://drop.sc/262651
Map: Cloud Kingdom
Match-up: P vs Z
Description:
* Never made an observer in a 20 min long game *
High Diamond/ Masters tournament, not a great game tho I was exhausted that night and my opponent is a noob basically.
10:55 min: He randomly warped in 3 stalkers to kill my overseer which is just getting into his main. (He never scouted the overseer yet he moved it was and killed it)
15:23 He gets ready to attack but looks at my third (in fog of war) I had some spines roches/infesotrs so he decides not to attack and expo instead.
16:06 Out of the blue he sends 7 zealots to a attack a hidden expo. Something he never scouted.
17:40 He looks at my army (in fog of war) coming to his natural so he moves in that direction to defend it, I move my army to the other side to attack his 3rd/4th and he looks at my army (in fog of war the whole time) and moves his army to defend his expos. ( He never made an observer, he didnt have a probe, zealot, pylon or whatever to spot my army movements yet he knew what to do most of the time )
19:42 He looks at my reinforcements (in fog of war) and starts BMing a few seconds before leaving.
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IdrA just finished playing against Ivanski, he was obviously using blink hack and map hack on that game, still lost.
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