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I read in the recent IPL TAC article that some rumors were going on about a possible new addition to mousesports' roster (see the article here -> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=339410#review)
Does anybody have any idea who it might be? It seemes obvious to me that it will be a terran player, but i don't know who would be a good enough recruit, considering that they only hire european players.
My guesses are either Lucifron (eben if it would be weird to see him leave before IPL TAC) or Sjow, who briefly left dignitas in March.
Any idea/hint/wish?
:D
Edit : i think this tweet from mousesports posted a few days after Thorzain's release is quite interesting ^^:
http://twitter.com/mousesports/status/201449485690355712
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Thorzain would be a nice pickup! 
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mouz.Lucifron
heard it here in the OP first
EDIT: I should really read the whole OP...
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Maybe one of the former ogs players
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On May 23 2012 04:46 ZeitgeisT wrote:
mouz.Lucifron
heard it here first
If by first you mean it was in the op?
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On May 23 2012 04:46 ZeitgeisT wrote:
mouz.Lucifron
heard it here first
It truely sounds awesome
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i doubt its lucifron, hes in a team with his brother, and afaik his 2nd brother is one of the managers or something like that
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Lucifron would be a good fit.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
ForGG seems most likely for me, he's the kind of high level player who can fetch a good price for his skill.
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Wow, I hope it's LucifroN, he's such a sick player. He'd really fill the huge hole that ThorZaIN left.
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Not gonna be Lucifron he's on a team with his brother so people need to get off that unless they want to be disappointed lol. Probably an oGs player since they don't seem to be reforming under a differnt name since they lost what 2 of their guys from before they disbanded. An doubt it's Sjow since he just resigned with Dignitas but who knows lol. If I had to name someone idk maybe someone like Titan or from a small team like that but are a skilled player. (I realize it's not likely to be Titan just suing him as an example)
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United States97276 Posts
Mouz.thestc to replace thorzain!
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Didn't Sjow resign with Dignitas?
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Honestly I very much rule out that it is SjoW. He just resigned a contract with Dignitas and most contracts are for a year as far as I know. (Notice how ThorZaIN joined EG 368 days after joining Mouz)
My guess would be on Lucifron or someone from oGs. Can't really think of anybody else that's currently on the market that's on the skill level that Mouz is looking for. Even though Grubby and WhiteRa are technically available I would also rule those two out.
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I'd be quite surprised if it was Lucifron considering that he basically has his own team and his brothers are in it, so I don't think it's quite as simple for him to leave.
And he might still be studying (not sure about that though).
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On May 23 2012 04:46 ZeitgeisT wrote:
mouz.Lucifron
heard it here in the OP first
EDIT: I should really read the whole OP...
The OP was less than a paragraph long...
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TOP, maybe? Or ForGG? Doubt Supernova would be within their reach, but hey, we never know.
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lucifron or one of the ogs players (supernova/stc/fOrGG)
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mouz.Deadmau5 , heard it here 1st and last.
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On May 23 2012 05:03 AXygnus wrote:
TOP, maybe? Or ForGG? Doubt Supernova would be within their reach, but hey, we never know.
If it is ForGG we would have to start calling him Fin because mouzFin flows better than mouzForGG
... 2 cents
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My guess would be Supernova. He has foreign tournament experience and lives with the Liquid guys plus Huk. So being around with foreigners mostly might facilitate the communication with him.
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MouzCatZ, just for the awesome name it would give 
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mouz.TH000 is coming back!
I want this to happen so bad
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Sjow just signed a contract. Lucifrons team is also pretty new and he seems to be happy with his brothers there.
If its a high caliber terran, than they maybe go korean (Supernova, Fin, TheSTC, TOP on ogs). Foreigners maybe Beastyqt.
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mouzIdrA i think... IdrA's performance was quite disastrous so EG decided to kick him out. maybe he can learn something of his new team member biGs...
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MouzSupernova
pretty sure.
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I have a feeling it might be one of the Korean players that were in a EU team like Phoenix or Real, maybe their contracts with Type are done.
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If it isn't LucifroN, I'll be disappointed. They need a Terran, and all the good European terrans that can live up to mouz's standards are in Empire or RoX (edit: i meant to say FXO, not RoX), so LucifroN is the logical choice.
Needless to be said, I love the fact that mouz try to retain their European identity, rather than picking some Korean merc.
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On May 23 2012 05:22 mikkmagro wrote:
If it isn't LucifroN, I'll be disappointed. They need a Terran, and all the good European terrans that can live up to mouz's standards are in Empire or RoX, so LucifroN is the logical choice.
Needless to be said, I love the fact that mouz try to retain their European identity, rather than picking some Korean merc.
Lol which good Europeans Terran plays for RoX? FXO, EG and Empire is where the few Europeans top Terrans are.
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Lucifron would be awesome!
I just hope it won't be some boring korean.
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Probably someone we don't know/hear much about.
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On May 23 2012 04:54 Catatonic wrote:
Not gonna be Lucifron he's on a team with his brother so people need to get off that unless they want to be disappointed lol. Probably an oGs player since they don't seem to be reforming under a differnt name since they lost what 2 of their guys from before they disbanded. An doubt it's Sjow since he just resigned with Dignitas but who knows lol. If I had to name someone idk maybe someone like Titan or from a small team like that but are a skilled player. (I realize it's not likely to be Titan just suing him as an example)
Ever heard of iNcontroL? His brother isn't on EG.
Mouz needs a Terran, now that Thorzain is gone. Lucifron is on some unknown team. He's as good a bet as any.
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It might be Lucifron. After his last results he deserves to join some bigger team than Karont3
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I'd like to be Mouz.Lucifron, but one of the oGs terrans seems to be more realistical.
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On May 23 2012 05:28 marcesr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 05:22 mikkmagro wrote:
If it isn't LucifroN, I'll be disappointed. They need a Terran, and all the good European terrans that can live up to mouz's standards are in Empire or RoX, so LucifroN is the logical choice.
Needless to be said, I love the fact that mouz try to retain their European identity, rather than picking some Korean merc.
Lol which good Europeans Terran plays for RoX? FXO, EG and Empire is where the few Europeans top Terrans are.
meant to say FXO.CIS instead of RoX >.<
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Please don't be a Korean player
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On May 23 2012 05:32 Zeetox wrote:
It might be Lucifron. After his last results he deserves to join some bigger team than Karont3
apparently Karont3 are quite well off, and their manager is Ryo, Lucifron's other brother.
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mouz.Kolll would be the most awesome, I doubt it though. He seemed to never really get into SC2. It's probably going to be someone from oGs.
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i dont think its lucifron, bcz hes focused in his studies and if thats the case they have to be super laid back
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I think Fin or Stc
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Yeah I think it's gonna be Lucifron either.
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i added an interesting tweet to the OP
SuperNova would also be a great pick, but it would be very sad to see the team abandon their will of staying an european-only team
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I'd laugh if it was mouzSuperNova because they already have a mouzNova account
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I don't think it will be a Korea player. There was GanZi and TaeJa but mousesports didn't show interest in either. Even after that, there is so many Koreans. No reason to wait till now.
I think Lucifron.
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On May 23 2012 05:42 Zetter wrote:
mouz.Kolll would be the most awesome, I doubt it though. He seemed to never really get into SC2.
There's no muta micro in SC2. 
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United States8476 Posts
Mouz is the only remaining top team without a Korean! What will happen next?!?!
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I'm pretty sure Lucifron would get a better salary from mouz than he's getting at the moment (not sure if he gets anything atm, but I'm pretty sure it's not a lot). But the bigger question is, if Lucifron even wants to go full pro or if he has other plans.
Another really underrated terran is Brat_OK and I would really like to see him on mouz! He doesn't really get send to a lot of tournaments at the moment, but when we see him he always looks solid (he got 2nd at the Gathering beating Thorzain in the semis).
Illusion would also be pretty cool, I think he's top4 foreign terran (after Thorzain, Kas and Lucifron), but I don't really know if Mousesports is even interested in getting a non-european player. And I'm pretty sure he was one of the only reasons Quantic took over Vile, so they will not let him go.
But in the end I guess it will be someone noone expects and everyone will be underrating like most of the mouz roster was for a long time. My favorite pickup would be Goody btw. Man, that would be awesome! :D
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There's a high chance it's an ex-oGs player. TheSTC, jookTo or maybe SuperNova :D
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On May 23 2012 05:58 kiy0 wrote:
There's a high chance it's an ex-oGs player. TheSTC, jookTo or maybe SuperNova :D
Jookto seems unlikely, mousesports already has 2 strong zergs and the release of their main terran means they could afford an ogs terran which is probably something they'd rather have.
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Also when will these announcements of announcements stop?!?!?
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Supernova 100%
I got insight sons
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I really wish that Mouz would sign another foreigner, but it most likely will be a oGs player.
Another possibility would be artist, which would follow the trend of signing Koreans.
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LucifroN yo!
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Would be cool if Mouz recruited one of the promising up and comers like KrasS (who is consistently ranked top 20 gm and beat Kas 2:0 in macro games). I really think it's a lot cooler to see teams pick up good up and comers than established pros even if that's the more realistic option for mouz. Anyways, I would be happy if they were able to strengthen their terran lineup (nothing against heromarine, but he can't make up for the lack of Thorzain in his team^^).
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On May 23 2012 06:21 RageCommodore wrote:
Would be cool if Mouz recruited one of the promising up and comers like KrasS (who is consistently ranked top 20 gm and beat Kas 2:0 in macro games). I really think it's a lot cooler to see teams pick up good up and comers than established pros even if that's the more realistic option for mouz. Anyways, I would be happy if they were able to strengthen their terran lineup (nothing against heromarine, but he can't make up for the lack of Thorzain in his team^^).
100 times this!
KrasS would be a great pickup for mouz. For some reason he seems to be really shy and doesn't participate in a lot of torunaments, but in my opinion he is fighting for the spot as the best german terran player (Top3 should be GoOdy, DBS and KrasS - in no particular order).
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First time I read about KrasS on TL although he is consistenly top GM since the start of SC2. Hes probably the MOST underrated player outside of Korea rightnow. Its not like hes as good as Terrans like Kas or Thorzain but people don't even know this guy exists lol..
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On May 23 2012 04:44 Fualtier wrote:Thorzain would be a nice pickup!
Haahah omg i laughed so hard
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On May 23 2012 04:48 ThePhan2m wrote:
mouz.TheStC
this.
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I would think an ex oGs player?
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This would be a very interesting pick up if they stayed all foreigner, lucifron would be a good pick up, but I could just as well see them easily pick up a korean, maybe a ex oGs player that is skeptical of reforming or whatever.
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mouz.naama, mouz.Satiini or mouz.Happy
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On May 23 2012 04:58 Dattish wrote:
mouzMadFroG? :D
we can only wish , that or masterasia ((((.
Seriously though, I can see them picking up Cezanne or ForGG, but someone I bet they are keen on picking up is probably Inca or TheSTC who have both been in the background since their early dominance. Maybe SuperNova, but really I see them picking up one of the lesser known zergs who could become great, that or pick up someone who isn't imbalanced TheSTC/SuperNova.
I'm totally trolling, for rella its TheSTC or Supernova since they lost thorzain.
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Let it be a european player, please.
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United States4796 Posts
LucifroN is most likely. That'd leave Karont3 completely destroyed though.
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having lucifron on mouz would make me a proud spaniard ^^
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I dunno, Lucifron does seem awfully convenient and ideal to pick up, but considering oGs just disbanded, it could be anyone
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mouzFin you heared it here first!
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On May 23 2012 07:45 Rockztar wrote:
Could be Lastshadow. :o
LS seems to be more focused on Korea, while it seems like mouz doesnt really care about going. I dont know how inclined mouz would be to keep him there
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Please keep it in the EU mouz, pick up Vortix + Luci .
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On May 23 2012 07:52 WightyCity wrote:
MouzTrap ?
Well played.
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guys, it wont be Lucifron because lucifron and his brother stick together. Nor Sjow, usually you don't sign with a team that you have known forever just to leave them again. Besides I can't see sjow on any other team than dignitas, really. But an oGs player is definitely likely. (Hoping for Inca )
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On May 23 2012 07:52 WightyCity wrote:
MouzTrap ?
Bravo, sir
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mouz.TeRRoR!!! Truly sources said to me he had an offer of a Ger-Team.
Just kidding. its true, but it was a smaller Ger-Team
mouz.LucifroN or mouz.ForGG or even KrasS is convincingly.
I would like to see more of this guys like KrasS or roof, who won German-Cup #1! So it would be awesome if a newcomer/pretty good unknown signs up.
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On May 23 2012 04:46 ZeitgeisT wrote:
mouz.Lucifron
heard it here in the OP first
EDIT: I should really read the whole OP...
Your post made me laugh=P
I think Lucifron too.
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On May 23 2012 05:09 00Visor wrote: Foreigners maybe Beastyqt.
Is beastyqt not with Empire anymore?
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woah thestc would be so epic. but lucifron would be nice too, but i guess then his brother will also join!
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On May 23 2012 08:42 luuk wrote:
woah thestc would be so epic. but lucifron would be nice too, but i guess then his brother will also join!
his brother was like Rank 14 GM EU this week, I'm quite certain that doesn't make him some sort of weak link
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Mouz.Testie just wait and see!
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On May 23 2012 08:23 OxyFuel wrote:Is beastyqt not with Empire anymore?
He is, but somehow he is one I could imagine transferring.
He is not Russian like other Empire players, he is travelling quite a lot lately. Also Empire just signed a new player with Vines.
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korant3 are rumoured to be extremely well off financially so its not a case of "small team" he will move on.
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expecting lucifron but i dont really care as long as its a decently good player to watch. a korean would be nice
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Like the OP says,
is veeeerry suspicious heheh
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mouz is known for signing the more talented and young players imho, so i can totally see them picking up lucifron as investing in his career might pay off more then buying some korean merc..
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That was when Lucifron beat ThorZaIN 4-0 in the SCAN Invitational #5 and was more of a joke. (sadly)
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mouzWinDy
Someone had to say it.
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On May 23 2012 09:29 00Visor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 08:23 OxyFuel wrote:On May 23 2012 05:09 00Visor wrote: Foreigners maybe Beastyqt. Is beastyqt not with Empire anymore? He is not Russian like other Empire players, he is travelling quite a lot lately. Also Empire just signed a new player with Vines.
Vines is not Russian either. Beastyqt is from Serbia which is near Russia. But yeah, I could see Beastyqt moving.
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On May 23 2012 10:36 Toadvine wrote:
mouzWinDy
Someone had to say it.
Major would change his ID to Fluffershy or something if he joined, so that ID is not realistic
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Don't see it being ForGG. If it was, the perfect time would have been yesterday before his Up and Down matches.
Probably Lucifron.
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On May 23 2012 10:55 Fionn wrote:
Don't see it being ForGG. If it was, the perfect time would have been yesterday before his Up and Down matches.
Probably Lucifron.
Yeah my guess is Lucifron or possibly Beastyqt.
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MouzForGG or MouzSupernova. If it happens, It would be really good for them
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I would like to see Mouz continuing to bet on European talent. I think that the foreign teams already have too many Koreans and that doesn't help the foreign scene.
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Well obviously Mouz is going to pick up a terran player, and I'm not sure about Korean terran, so Lucifron sounds like a perfect match.
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mouzCCspell re for sure :o
i don't think it will be an korean^^
but come on guys stop that speculation... we'll have to wait and see.
time will tell.
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spell so gouuuuuuddd 
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Sjow already resigned, like two weeks after he left the team.
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is not LucifroN , stop dreaming , srsly xD
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On May 23 2012 12:19 -IeZaeL- wrote:
is not LucifroN , stop dreaming , srsly xD
YES IT IS! STOP BEING A NAYSAYER
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On May 23 2012 12:19 -IeZaeL- wrote:
is not LucifroN , stop dreaming , srsly xD
Why wouldn't it be Lucifron?
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On May 23 2012 13:07 OxyFuel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 12:19 -IeZaeL- wrote:
is not LucifroN , stop dreaming , srsly xD Why wouldn't it be Lucifron?
id trust the word of a really good spanish player^^
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On May 23 2012 12:02 the_eFFect wrote:
mouzCCspell re for sure :o
i don't think it will be an korean^^
but come on guys stop that speculation... we'll have to wait and see.
time will tell.
You speculate and then proceed to tell others not to speculate. Hmmm..
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Maybe White-Ra back to Mouz? Not very likely, but would be great
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 MickeyMouz!
Whoever it will be, I hope it's somebody sick, who is able to replace thorzain to a certain degree. mouz fightin!
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as someone has said i really doubt that Lucifron left Karont3 cause he is with his brother and friends, his brother Ryo is the coach and remenber that in the past he left Fnatic to... to get into APSC2, and guess what, in that team were Vortix and Ryo too.
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I'd love to see Supernova or TheStc in mouz. I don't know if they want to have a korean player in their team though. How about Goody ?
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On May 23 2012 18:40 Opera wrote:
How about Goody ?
I don't think Goody is very attractive to the top teams as his mechanics are not good enough to be a solid and consistent player.
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Maybe we'll discover that MouzTosh is not a joint account but the ID of a young and talented player... or maybe not
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On May 23 2012 19:08 Derrida wrote:
Grubby?
As his #1 Fan you might know, that he does not want to join a team...
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On May 23 2012 18:50 Ballack wrote:I don't think Goody is very attractive to the top teams as his mechanics are not good enough to be a solid and consistent player.
I'd say he is one of the most consistent players in the european online cups next to Nerchio, Kas and Bly maybe. And I'm pretty sure he would do pretty good in teamleagues too. ESC doesn't send him to a lot of offline tournaments, but I'm pretty sure it would be worthwhile for Mousesports to send him to the DH and Assembly events at least.
Goooooooooooody!!
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On May 23 2012 19:18 o)_Saurus wrote:As his #1 Fan you might know, that he does not want to join a team...
I thought he thought he was his own team? Isn't he Grubby.Grubby?
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On May 23 2012 19:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 19:18 o)_Saurus wrote:On May 23 2012 19:08 Derrida wrote:
Grubby? As his #1 Fan you might know, that he does not want to join a team... I thought he thought he was his own team? Isn't he Grubby.Grubby?
Not anymore, afaik he left track of it. But anyway that doesn't change anything.
edit: found the interview:
First question
Guess Lucifron is the most possible candidate - or maybe KrasS as an upcoming talent?!
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On May 23 2012 13:07 OxyFuel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 12:19 -IeZaeL- wrote:
is not LucifroN , stop dreaming , srsly xD Why wouldn't it be Lucifron?
Because LucifroN plays with his brother. As long as his brother has a decent level, there is little reason for LucifroN to move to another team.
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On May 23 2012 20:02 o)_Saurus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 19:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 23 2012 19:18 o)_Saurus wrote:On May 23 2012 19:08 Derrida wrote:
Grubby? As his #1 Fan you might know, that he does not want to join a team... I thought he thought he was his own team? Isn't he Grubby.Grubby? Not anymore, afaik he left track of it. But anyway that doesn't change anything. Guess Lucifron is the most possible candidate - or maybe KrasS as an upcoming talent?!
I think Lucifron or an oGs Terran make the most sense. oGs is gone and Lucifron is one of the best Terran foreigners who's not on a big team yet. And with Thorzain gone, Mouz needs a Terran.
Yeah, TLPD says Grubby's team is Unknown/Retired, although I think it sounds kind of funny that he left his one-man team.
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mouzlucifron/thestc/forgg/supernova
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Maybe they will promote mouzCCMarine to the main squad. That worked out for biGs; he is performing very well.
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I don't think Marine is quite there yet.
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KrasS has a lot of potential, but imho not not a adequate replacement to thorzain and everyone in the scene expects a interantionally renowned player, that lucifron could easily achieve ^^
but its totally random can be everyone XD
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i hope they arent picking up a korean
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On May 23 2012 20:53 YourOldBuddy wrote:
Howsabout Snute?
They already have 2 zergs, they are in need of a terran. "/
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Mouz.Fin @@ or Mouz.SuperNova is awesome
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MouzforGG is my bet, since they need a great terren. Although somehow mouz.Thorzain sounds very right to me.
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if its a korean it will be supernova, if not lucifron
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Lucifron is not leaving karont3
The flexibility that karont3 gives him with his studies is really huge for him. Besides, he his with is 2 brothers (vortix playing and ryo managing).
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as long as mouz doesn't recruit a korean mercenary like liquid or EG i'm fine with pretty much everyone
i don't think mouz will recruite a korean because they really care about the athmosphere in the team and are not just going to abandon their foreign roster like liquid is doing it
i think they want to stay the best real foreigner team and so i hope they pick up someone like snute or maybe they get strelok to rejoin
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On May 23 2012 21:51 shaaw wrote:
Lucifron is not leaving karont3
The flexibility that karont3 gives him with his studies is really huge for him. Besides, he his with is 2 brothers (vortix playing and ryo managing).
Karont3 is also a huge ball and chain keeping him from being a real pro, however. Mouz could probably afford to just bring vortix on their b-team, for someone that 4-0'd ThorZaiN, why not?
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I hope they get a decent player. Mouz used to be pretty good but for some reason all the replays or VODs I watch i notice them making so many mistake its quite incredible. I do think a nice pickup if they get lucifron but as shaaw said i dont think it is going to happen.
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On May 23 2012 22:25 Crownlol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 21:51 shaaw wrote:
Lucifron is not leaving karont3
The flexibility that karont3 gives him with his studies is really huge for him. Besides, he his with is 2 brothers (vortix playing and ryo managing). Karont3 is also a huge ball and chain keeping him from being a real pro, however. Mouz could probably afford to just bring vortix on their b-team, for someone that 4-0'd ThorZaiN, why not? Mouz does not have a B-team. They barely have an A-team atm. :p
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On May 23 2012 22:25 Crownlol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 21:51 shaaw wrote:
Lucifron is not leaving karont3
The flexibility that karont3 gives him with his studies is really huge for him. Besides, he his with is 2 brothers (vortix playing and ryo managing). Karont3 is also a huge ball and chain keeping him from being a real pro, however. Mouz could probably afford to just bring vortix on their b-team, for someone that 4-0'd ThorZaiN, why not?
Vortix is as good as most of the Mouz players.. hugely underrated, but he won't leave Karont3, he seems happy there and they seem to be doing well
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On May 23 2012 18:50 Ballack wrote:I don't think Goody is very attractive to the top teams as his mechanics are not good enough to be a solid and consistent player.
GoOdy is the definition of a solid player. GoOdy is one of the few remaining terran player in europe who wins at least some tournaments.
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My money is on Lucifron. Just won a rather big tournament and is practicly teamless.
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On May 23 2012 23:04 Atrimex wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 18:50 Ballack wrote:On May 23 2012 18:40 Opera wrote:
How about Goody ? I don't think Goody is very attractive to the top teams as his mechanics are not good enough to be a solid and consistent player. GoOdy is the definition of a solid player. GoOdy is one of the few remaining terran player in europe who wins at least some tournaments.
Who rarely goes anything but Mech cause he dosnt quite have the mechanics or speed to do much else thus why he would be less attractive especially in team leagues and such where you're just as likely to go up against a korean as you are a foreigner.
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On May 23 2012 23:08 Catatonic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 23:04 Atrimex wrote:On May 23 2012 18:50 Ballack wrote:On May 23 2012 18:40 Opera wrote:
How about Goody ? I don't think Goody is very attractive to the top teams as his mechanics are not good enough to be a solid and consistent player. GoOdy is the definition of a solid player. GoOdy is one of the few remaining terran player in europe who wins at least some tournaments. Who rarely goes anything but Mech cause he dosnt quite have the mechanics or speed to do much else thus why he would be less attractive especially in team leagues and such where you're just as likely to go up against a korean as you are a foreigner.
You're talking about GoOdy here... He was a high ranked BW player, I don't think he has any problems with mechanics. He just prefers mech in most cases. People saying sjow are wrong, he just resigned with dignitas. Best guess is lucifron.
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On May 23 2012 22:26 Elem wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 22:25 Crownlol wrote:On May 23 2012 21:51 shaaw wrote:
Lucifron is not leaving karont3
The flexibility that karont3 gives him with his studies is really huge for him. Besides, he his with is 2 brothers (vortix playing and ryo managing). Karont3 is also a huge ball and chain keeping him from being a real pro, however. Mouz could probably afford to just bring vortix on their b-team, for someone that 4-0'd ThorZaiN, why not? Mouz does not have a B-team. They barely have an A-team atm. :p
So because Thorzain left all their players suddenly aren't good anymore?
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On May 23 2012 23:13 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 22:26 Elem wrote:On May 23 2012 22:25 Crownlol wrote:On May 23 2012 21:51 shaaw wrote:
Lucifron is not leaving karont3
The flexibility that karont3 gives him with his studies is really huge for him. Besides, he his with is 2 brothers (vortix playing and ryo managing). Karont3 is also a huge ball and chain keeping him from being a real pro, however. Mouz could probably afford to just bring vortix on their b-team, for someone that 4-0'd ThorZaiN, why not? Mouz does not have a B-team. They barely have an A-team atm. :p So because Thorzain left all their players suddenly aren't good anymore?
I would've thought he is just saying their team is very small.
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On May 23 2012 22:20 sVnteen wrote:as long as mouz doesn't recruit a korean mercenary like liquid or EG i'm fine with pretty much everyone i don't think mouz will recruite a korean because they really care about the athmosphere in the team and are not just going to abandon their foreign roster like liquid is doing it i think they want to stay the best real foreigner team and so i hope they pick up someone like snute or maybe they get strelok to rejoin
If they are Korean, they are "mercs". If they are european they aren't.
Riiight.
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Why do so many people underestimate Vortix, just like LucifroN he went inactive for a while. And they both got active and rocked the ladder with win ratio of over 70%, Yes sure it's ladder.... But still not many players are able to put on such a dominant run.
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On May 23 2012 22:20 sVnteen wrote:as long as mouz doesn't recruit a korean mercenary like liquid or EG i'm fine with pretty much everyone i don't think mouz will recruite a korean because they really care about the athmosphere in the team and are not just going to abandon their foreign roster like liquid is doing it i think they want to stay the best real foreigner team and so i hope they pick up someone like snute or maybe they get strelok to rejoin
How can you say mercenaries you implie that Taeja/Zenio/HerO/PuMa/JYP play purely for the money on a foreign team. While it is pretty obvious that from a Korean perspective there are way more reasons then money to join a Foreign team. Foreign teams seem to be more flexible on were you live/train and when/how much you train. Players have different personalities so they will also perform better under different circumstances. Next to that at the time most of these players joined EG/Liquid these teams gave them way more possibilites so see the world and which person in a age between 16-30 doesn't want to see as much of the world as possible. In Korea people seem to be more closed when you see for example liquid you see they are a very open group who are really friendly against everyone it's good possible Koreans like it to be in such team because of the atmosphere and they feel welcome/home in there.
Saying every Korean who joins a foreign team is a mercenarie is just WAY TO SIMPLE!
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On May 23 2012 23:17 jj33 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 22:20 sVnteen wrote:as long as mouz doesn't recruit a korean mercenary like liquid or EG i'm fine with pretty much everyone i don't think mouz will recruite a korean because they really care about the athmosphere in the team and are not just going to abandon their foreign roster like liquid is doing it i think they want to stay the best real foreigner team and so i hope they pick up someone like snute or maybe they get strelok to rejoin If they are Korean, they are "mercs". If they are european they aren't. Riiight.
You do not seem to know what "mercenary" means.
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On May 23 2012 22:20 sVnteen wrote:as long as mouz doesn't recruit a korean mercenary like liquid or EG i'm fine with pretty much everyone i don't think mouz will recruite a korean because they really care about the athmosphere in the team and are not just going to abandon their foreign roster like liquid is doing it i think they want to stay the best real foreigner team and so i hope they pick up someone like snute or maybe they get strelok to rejoin
I am so looking forward to you being forced to stop writing this nonsensical rubbish. Sooner™ or later Mousesports will sign a korean and then you will suddenly write about how the korean guy they signed is really intimate with all the players and knows them and likes the same food as them so unlike all other korean players he is just in the team because he by heart is a foreigner anyways
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On May 23 2012 23:27 Champloo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 23:17 jj33 wrote:On May 23 2012 22:20 sVnteen wrote:as long as mouz doesn't recruit a korean mercenary like liquid or EG i'm fine with pretty much everyone i don't think mouz will recruite a korean because they really care about the athmosphere in the team and are not just going to abandon their foreign roster like liquid is doing it i think they want to stay the best real foreigner team and so i hope they pick up someone like snute or maybe they get strelok to rejoin If they are Korean, they are "mercs". If they are european they aren't. Riiight. You do not seem to know what "mercenary" means.
I know perfectly what mercenary means. He obviously doesn't as it only applies to Koreans, yet not the players he wants on those teams ie Europeans.
So please get out of here with that nonsense. You have a history of anti Koreans posts.
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lucifron would be so cool. *pressing my thumbs*
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On May 23 2012 23:10 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 23:08 Catatonic wrote:On May 23 2012 23:04 Atrimex wrote:On May 23 2012 18:50 Ballack wrote:On May 23 2012 18:40 Opera wrote:
How about Goody ? I don't think Goody is very attractive to the top teams as his mechanics are not good enough to be a solid and consistent player. GoOdy is the definition of a solid player. GoOdy is one of the few remaining terran player in europe who wins at least some tournaments. Who rarely goes anything but Mech cause he dosnt quite have the mechanics or speed to do much else thus why he would be less attractive especially in team leagues and such where you're just as likely to go up against a korean as you are a foreigner. You're talking about GoOdy here... He was a high ranked BW player, I don't think he has any problems with mechanics. He just prefers mech in most cases. People saying sjow are wrong, he just resigned with dignitas. Best guess is lucifron.
Saying he was a high ranked BW player is stretching the definition of "high ranked" far too much. And saying he has no problems with mechanics is stretching reality even further. -_-
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On May 23 2012 23:04 Atrimex wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 18:50 Ballack wrote:On May 23 2012 18:40 Opera wrote:
How about Goody ? I don't think Goody is very attractive to the top teams as his mechanics are not good enough to be a solid and consistent player. GoOdy is the definition of a solid player. GoOdy is one of the few remaining terran player in europe who wins at least some tournaments.
I mean consistently performing at a very high level. Winning a number of online cups is hardly comparable to winning a LAN (like Lucifron winning TG). Also his playstyle is not solid at all. He said it himself in the recent MLG interview that his mechanics are nowhere near the best players, so his tactical brilliance is what gets him some nice wins. If he was to be picked up by Mouz and started attending more and more LANs, I'm pretty sure most top foreigners (and Koreans) would be able to dissect his play and roll him if they were to perceive him as a threat.
I'm in no way saying he's a bad player, I'm just saying for a top European team to sign him would be quite extraordinary.
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On May 23 2012 23:10 GreEny K wrote:
You're talking about GoOdy here... He was a high ranked BW player, I don't think he has any problems with mechanics. He just prefers mech in most cases. People saying sjow are wrong, he just resigned with dignitas. Best guess is lucifron.
A: Watch his MLG Spring Arena 2 interview, he says himself he has pretty mediocre mechanics.
B: Watch some of his replays, mechanics is not at all one of his strengths.
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Yep, the equation Korean=Merc is a bit simple indeed as in the case of Liquid they literally live side by side. So I don`t see why hiring a Korean is always more mercish than acquiring Lucifron, Snute or Goody.
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On May 23 2012 23:39 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 23:10 GreEny K wrote:On May 23 2012 23:08 Catatonic wrote:On May 23 2012 23:04 Atrimex wrote:On May 23 2012 18:50 Ballack wrote:On May 23 2012 18:40 Opera wrote:
How about Goody ? I don't think Goody is very attractive to the top teams as his mechanics are not good enough to be a solid and consistent player. GoOdy is the definition of a solid player. GoOdy is one of the few remaining terran player in europe who wins at least some tournaments. Who rarely goes anything but Mech cause he dosnt quite have the mechanics or speed to do much else thus why he would be less attractive especially in team leagues and such where you're just as likely to go up against a korean as you are a foreigner. You're talking about GoOdy here... He was a high ranked BW player, I don't think he has any problems with mechanics. He just prefers mech in most cases. People saying sjow are wrong, he just resigned with dignitas. Best guess is lucifron. Saying he was a high ranked BW player is stretching the definition of "high ranked" far too much. And saying he has no problems with mechanics is stretching reality even further. -_-
And yet he is capable of 2-0'ing players like MMA.
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On May 23 2012 23:43 Warpish wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 23:39 Talin wrote:On May 23 2012 23:10 GreEny K wrote:On May 23 2012 23:08 Catatonic wrote:On May 23 2012 23:04 Atrimex wrote:On May 23 2012 18:50 Ballack wrote:On May 23 2012 18:40 Opera wrote:
How about Goody ? I don't think Goody is very attractive to the top teams as his mechanics are not good enough to be a solid and consistent player. GoOdy is the definition of a solid player. GoOdy is one of the few remaining terran player in europe who wins at least some tournaments. Who rarely goes anything but Mech cause he dosnt quite have the mechanics or speed to do much else thus why he would be less attractive especially in team leagues and such where you're just as likely to go up against a korean as you are a foreigner. You're talking about GoOdy here... He was a high ranked BW player, I don't think he has any problems with mechanics. He just prefers mech in most cases. People saying sjow are wrong, he just resigned with dignitas. Best guess is lucifron. Saying he was a high ranked BW player is stretching the definition of "high ranked" far too much. And saying he has no problems with mechanics is stretching reality even further. -_- And yet he is capable of 2-0'ing players like MMA.
Dumb luck... His mechanics are terrible! Do you hear me ? Terrible!
GoOdy seems pretty happy on ESC, don't think it'll be him.
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On May 23 2012 23:55 Firlefanz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 23:43 Warpish wrote:On May 23 2012 23:39 Talin wrote:On May 23 2012 23:10 GreEny K wrote:On May 23 2012 23:08 Catatonic wrote:On May 23 2012 23:04 Atrimex wrote:On May 23 2012 18:50 Ballack wrote:On May 23 2012 18:40 Opera wrote:
How about Goody ? I don't think Goody is very attractive to the top teams as his mechanics are not good enough to be a solid and consistent player. GoOdy is the definition of a solid player. GoOdy is one of the few remaining terran player in europe who wins at least some tournaments. Who rarely goes anything but Mech cause he dosnt quite have the mechanics or speed to do much else thus why he would be less attractive especially in team leagues and such where you're just as likely to go up against a korean as you are a foreigner. You're talking about GoOdy here... He was a high ranked BW player, I don't think he has any problems with mechanics. He just prefers mech in most cases. People saying sjow are wrong, he just resigned with dignitas. Best guess is lucifron. Saying he was a high ranked BW player is stretching the definition of "high ranked" far too much. And saying he has no problems with mechanics is stretching reality even further. -_- And yet he is capable of 2-0'ing players like MMA. Dumb luck... His mechanics are terrible! Do you hear me ? Terrible! GoOdy seems pretty happy on ESC, don't think it'll be him.
I don't think it's going to be him either, I'm just defending GoOdy. Look at all the online cups he won; nobody is lucky that many times.
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On May 23 2012 05:42 Zetter wrote:
mouz.Kolll would be the most awesome, I doubt it though. He seemed to never really get into SC2. It's probably going to be someone from oGs.
Hasn't Kolll gone back to BW for good?
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On May 24 2012 00:00 Mentor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 05:42 Zetter wrote:
mouz.Kolll would be the most awesome, I doubt it though. He seemed to never really get into SC2. It's probably going to be someone from oGs. Hasn't Kolll gone back to BW for good?
He did go back, but then he went inactive again. Not sure if he came back or not, but every time I check on him he is inactive or just coming back.
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On May 23 2012 23:04 Atrimex wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 18:50 Ballack wrote:On May 23 2012 18:40 Opera wrote:
How about Goody ? I don't think Goody is very attractive to the top teams as his mechanics are not good enough to be a solid and consistent player. GoOdy is the definition of a solid player. GoOdy is one of the few remaining terran player in europe who wins at least some tournaments.
Tournaments? He wins a couple of weeklys every now and then, but that's not much of an achievement.
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On May 24 2012 00:10 ES.Genie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 23:04 Atrimex wrote:On May 23 2012 18:50 Ballack wrote:On May 23 2012 18:40 Opera wrote:
How about Goody ? I don't think Goody is very attractive to the top teams as his mechanics are not good enough to be a solid and consistent player. GoOdy is the definition of a solid player. GoOdy is one of the few remaining terran player in europe who wins at least some tournaments. Tournaments? He wins a couple of weeklys every now and then, but that's not much of an achievement.
So name me a few Eu Terrans that win more than that...
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Calling the korean players "mercenarys" is wrong. Nevertheless i really hope mouz sticks to the principles they showed in the past and trust in european players. I root for mouz because of it. They take care of the european scene, aim to make the players better they find in europe, give them a chance to train under professional conditions and send them to tournaments around the world.
Imagine all top teams would consist only of koreans. Would be so boring.
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On May 24 2012 00:16 Tigi wrote:
So name me a few Eu Terrans that win more than that...
It's more about the quality of the tournaments as opposed to quantity. His record speaks for itself, he's a good player. But good enough for Mouz? No..
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On May 23 2012 04:57 Hujjo wrote:
Didn't Sjow resign with Dignitas?
resign != re-sign
mouzNaniwa + mouzSase
or
mouzScarlett
+ Show Spoiler +mouztrap - so sorry but I had to do it
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On May 23 2012 18:04 Ballack wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 12:02 the_eFFect wrote:
mouzCCspell re for sure :o
i don't think it will be an korean^^
but come on guys stop that speculation... we'll have to wait and see.
time will tell. You speculate and then proceed to tell others not to speculate. Hmmm..
spell is an old war3 player who was in mouz for a very long time. he doesnt even play sc2. all he was doing was making a joke about old times.
egg on your face mate.
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If only they could take both VortiX and Lucifron.
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Well, in WarCraft III, mouz recruited loads of Chinese players after the foreigners slowly left the game (with the exception of HasuObs), so I wouldn't count on them not taking the opportunity to sign some oGs terran beast.
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lucifron is a decent player but not an adequate replacement for thorzain. forgg wud be nice.
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So many troll's. 1. thorzain just joined EG. 2nd HuK ? Are you really... no, just no. HuK is rumored to be the best payed player, why would he ever leave EG for Mouz ?
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I'm hoping for Mouz.Scarlett but we'll just wait and see I guess.
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On May 24 2012 02:04 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
lucifron is a decent player but not an adequate replacement for thorzain. forgg wud be nice.
forgg is mediocre
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On May 24 2012 02:10 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 02:04 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
lucifron is a decent player but not an adequate replacement for thorzain. forgg wud be nice. forgg is mediocre
He would be one of the best players in the foreign scene if thats what you mean by mediocre.
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On May 24 2012 00:27 aFganFlyTrap wrote:
spell is an old war3 player who was in mouz for a very long time. he doesnt even play sc2. all he was doing was making a joke about old times.
egg on your face mate.
I didn't know that but is "I don't think it will be a korean" a part of the joke? If not, then I think I might be able to dodge that egg
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Any former oGs-player would be a great addition to their roster, but I'd still rather see oGs reforming under a new name
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Does anybody know if Mousesports is Eu only, or if thats just dumb luck?
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On May 24 2012 02:04 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
lucifron is a decent player but not an adequate replacement for thorzain. forgg wud be nice.
You realise LucifroN 4-0'd Thorzain at the Scan invitational a few weeks ago right?
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called sjow back when he left dig, if im right ima scream
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On May 24 2012 03:01 Deckkie wrote:
Does anybody know if Mousesports is Eu only, or if thats just dumb luck?
I don't think they're exclusively like that. It's probably just a bias
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On May 24 2012 03:11 Willba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 02:04 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
lucifron is a decent player but not an adequate replacement for thorzain. forgg wud be nice. You realise LucifroN 4-0'd Thorzain at the Scan invitational a few weeks ago right?
adequate replacement - not "beat thorzain once"...
(yes, he's a good player, but thorzain was and is a beast)
On May 24 2012 03:01 Deckkie wrote:
Does anybody know if Mousesports is Eu only, or if thats just dumb luck?
atm they might just have european players... but they had quite some non-europeans in the past (at least in other games... quake, wc3)
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On May 24 2012 03:12 KarbonxD wrote:
called sjow back when he left dig, if im right ima scream
He got back on dignitas.
its most likely lucrifron. I prefer it be a korean though, they need it.
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On May 24 2012 03:17 radiantshadow92 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 03:12 KarbonxD wrote:
called sjow back when he left dig, if im right ima scream He got back on dignitas. its most likely lucrifron. I prefer it be a korean though, they need it.
No need for mercanaries
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On May 24 2012 02:56 RageCommodore wrote:Any former oGs-player would be a great addition to their roster, but I'd still rather see oGs reforming under a new name
They won't reform. I think it was said by TheSTC in an interview. Vines already has a new team.
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I think it will be Artist. He is teamless at the moment and he is quite good
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On May 24 2012 02:10 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 02:04 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
lucifron is a decent player but not an adequate replacement for thorzain. forgg wud be nice. forgg is mediocre
Not when compare to most of the foreign players
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On May 24 2012 03:21 Tigi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 03:17 radiantshadow92 wrote:On May 24 2012 03:12 KarbonxD wrote:
called sjow back when he left dig, if im right ima scream He got back on dignitas. its most likely lucrifron. I prefer it be a korean though, they need it. No need for mercanaries
they are no more "mercenaries" than euro players.
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On May 24 2012 03:01 Deckkie wrote:
Does anybody know if Mousesports is Eu only, or if thats just dumb luck?
They aren´t. It just worked out well for them without Koreans up to this point. They have shown in the past, that they won´t shy away from signing players from dominant regions (Scandinavian in CS or Chinese in WC3). Nothing wrong with that. They want success like every other team.
On the other hand, they have garnered a lot of fans and positive publicity with their foreigner only squad. Many people consider signing Koreans a faster or even "cheaper" way to get success, which has probably to do with them rooting for the Underdog and these are in SC2 the Foreigner most of the time.
If Mouz wants to keep this reputation, they can go two different ways:
1. They build up a lesser known / accomplished player to a top player (worked with Bigs or Hasu back in the early days of WC3 for example), which could be very well a German like Krass (Mouz is known to foster homegrown talent)
2. They manage to sign a Top Foreigner Terran to fill the void Tzain left behind in a short time. The only players that could replace Tzain completely at the moment are Kas or Lucifron IMO. Both seem really content with their respective teams, though.
If I would need to make a prediction right now, the chances that they sign a Korean rather than a Foreigner are higher at the moment. Wouldn´t bet on it, though.
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It won't be SjoW or Lucifron...
I don't think they will get a Korean, as it would be nice for them to remain a non Korean team, but it would make sense given the recent oGs disband.
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whats with happy? years ago he already played for mouz and lately he seems very very strong
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On May 24 2012 08:27 jj33 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 03:21 Tigi wrote:On May 24 2012 03:17 radiantshadow92 wrote:On May 24 2012 03:12 KarbonxD wrote:
called sjow back when he left dig, if im right ima scream He got back on dignitas. its most likely lucrifron. I prefer it be a korean though, they need it. No need for mercanaries they are no more "mercenaries" than euro players.
It's a bit more mercenary-like if they can hardly communicate with the rest of the team imho.
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On May 24 2012 09:39 the_eFFect wrote:
whats with happy? years ago he already played for mouz and lately he seems very very strong
Empire doesn't want to lose their best player.
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On May 24 2012 10:00 Warpish wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 09:39 the_eFFect wrote:
whats with happy? years ago he already played for mouz and lately he seems very very strong Empire doesn't want to lose their best player.
Violet will stay
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On May 24 2012 17:00 michielbrands wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 10:00 Warpish wrote:On May 24 2012 09:39 the_eFFect wrote:
whats with happy? years ago he already played for mouz and lately he seems very very strong Empire doesn't want to lose their best player. Violet will stay
What?? Happy's marine micro makes Violet cry.
+ Show Spoiler +I admit that Violet may be beter, but the Happy fanboy in my doesn't.
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On May 24 2012 00:16 Tigi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 00:10 ES.Genie wrote:On May 23 2012 23:04 Atrimex wrote:On May 23 2012 18:50 Ballack wrote:On May 23 2012 18:40 Opera wrote:
How about Goody ? I don't think Goody is very attractive to the top teams as his mechanics are not good enough to be a solid and consistent player. GoOdy is the definition of a solid player. GoOdy is one of the few remaining terran player in europe who wins at least some tournaments. Tournaments? He wins a couple of weeklys every now and then, but that's not much of an achievement. So name me a few Eu Terrans that win more than that...
Wow, he doesn't suck as bad as other EU terrans...still not an achievement.
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On May 24 2012 08:03 Leviance wrote:
mouz.Jaedong
best bet not gonna lie.
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EPT
