EG just posted on their site that they will be teaming up with SlayerS for this season of GSTL.
SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA. – May 16th, 2012. – Today Evil Geniuses (EG), North America’s premier professional gaming team and a world leader in e-Sports, is honored to announce that they will be competing alongside their partner team, SlayerS, in 2012′s second season of GOM.TV’s Global Starcraft II™ Team League.
Evil Geniuses players Chris “HuK” Loranger, Marcus “ThorZaIN” Eklöf, Ho Joon “PuMa” Lee, and Jin Young “JYP” Park will join veteran GSTL players like SlayerS_MMA, SlayerS_Ryung, and SlayerS_Puzzle over the three month long season. This will be the first the Evil Geniuses team has competed in the GSTL.
Cody Conners, General Manager of Evil Geniuses, remarked, “The GSTL is one of the few events that our team hasn’t had the opportunity to compete in yet. It will be a privilege to join SlayerS, a team that has accomplished so much already in the GSTL, this season.”
Lim “BoxeR” Yo Hwan said, “I believe that the SlayerS-EG joint team is the strongest team in the league, and while we have not done well since our two consecutive titles, we would like use this joint team opportunity to win our third title.”
As this season begins fans can expect to find more information, including schedules, lineups, and scores, through Evil Geniuses’ (@EvilGeniuses) Twitter and on www.facebook.com/EvilGeniuses.
This is looking pretty awesome IMO. The two teams complement each others' weaknesses really well, and this roster is looking really deep. Can't wait to see what they come up with this season.
Slayers is now a lot better than they were since they now have two Terran who can actually beat Protoss, but I wouldn't say they're undoubtedly the favorites. MVP, Startale, and Prime still can throw out line-ups where four out of the five or all five are Code S level.
well Huk is strong, JYP is very strong vZ, Puma can help 1-1-1 fight protoss, thorzain is strong... well they add depth to Slayers that might not otherwise have been there (at the very least good cannon fodder before MMA wins everything )
This is great news, will be excited to see how Tzain does during his stay in Korea, but does anyone know about how SteelSeries/Razer will be reacted to by the respective sponsors? I know it's been a rather big deal with partnerships in the past.
But this team is almost too sick. If these opportunities are never ending it might hurt the GSTL's legitimacy. Eventually foreigner teams should have to stand on their own two feet in team leagues.
Just curious, is Idra playing as well? They mentioned 4 specific names, and it seems like only those 4 are planning on playing GSTL. Hopefully Idra is on board as well! Awesome news nonetheless.
On May 17 2012 09:13 eXigent. wrote: Just curious, is Idra playing as well? They mentioned 4 specific names, and it seems like only those 4 are planning on playing GSTL. Hopefully Idra is on board as well! Awesome news nonetheless.
I suspect not, given that those are the four who will be in the country. AFAIK, Idra's plan has always been to remain at the EG house throughout the tournament season.
On May 17 2012 09:13 eXigent. wrote: Just curious, is Idra playing as well? They mentioned 4 specific names, and it seems like only those 4 are planning on playing GSTL. Hopefully Idra is on board as well! Awesome news nonetheless.
They mentioned the 4 guys that spend the majority of their time in Korea. Scoots said on Lo3 that all guys will be listed on the roster
On May 17 2012 09:12 Badfatpanda wrote: This is great news, will be excited to see how Tzain does during his stay in Korea, but does anyone know about how SteelSeries/Razer will be reacted to by the respective sponsors? I know it's been a rather big deal with partnerships in the past.
As I was reading the list I kept on waiting to see Mr. Fields name but alas no Idra. Which 6 months ago I would have been upset about it because I was a huge Idra fan-boy but with his performance's as of late have left something to be desired. But when players that I like go on losing streaks I just chalk it up to a phase and pray they get their legs back. But with Idra this time it's different because he publicly has stated that he just doesn't care anymore. he never liked the game from the beginning but now he's been WAY more vocal about it.
Thank god! It has been forever since Puma has been in a teamleague, and that was where he shined. Also hope to see Thorzain there. (Idra get back to Korea you scrub)
On May 17 2012 09:20 BooMeyMoMo wrote: As I was reading the list I kept on waiting to see Mr. Fields name but alas no Idra. Which 6 months ago I would have been upset about it because I was a huge Idra fan-boy but with his performance's as of late have left something to be desired. But when players that I like go on losing streaks I just chalk it up to a phase and pray they get their legs back. But with Idra this time it's different because he publicly has stated that he just doesn't care anymore. he never liked the game from the beginning but now he's been WAY more vocal about it.
Can't believe I'm saying this, but that line up actually needs IdrA. SlayerS only has a few choice Zerg players in CoCa and Min. Min is not that good..
WIth OGS disbanded, GSTL is down a team. I think EG should have sent Idra over and they could have competed as their own team. Slayers is already a huge team, that they don't need to use the EG lineup.
I don't understand, this feels like EG is tagging along with SlayerS and smacking their sticker on their boat, maybe putting forth some EG guys once in a while. Seems like a great "in" for EG (experience bonus galore), but also seems like it'll marginalize SlayerS players who would otherwise play, but are replaced by some foreigners ....... with money. That's what I don't get, what have SlayerS got to gain from this, apart from making friends with some evil gingers, and their ~genius~ fans?
Is tons of money, which seems to abduct all promising players from other teams (oh hi there PUMA), the sweet smelling glue that gets SlayerS to agree? What else could it be?!? [No accusations, I just can't think of any other logical explanation.]
Here's some history guys: once bought from their old teams, former stars GoRush, Nal_Ra (July too, but he then went to get a golden mouse, so not really) and Action never really did well. Likewise, KT(F) in Brood War was notorious for buying all the best players, but for some reason they didn't have the same dominance when it came to league championships. What I'm trying to say is, to make a good team, simply buying the good players won't be enough. Sometimes you need some re-vitalizing with new blood, ok fine, but you're in trouble if you focus too much on your by-gone stars instead of building up lesser players + Show Spoiler [WHOOPS] +
I didn't read attentively enough. PUMA, HukThorZain and JYP are CERTAINLY NOT bygone stars, please don't get me wrong. I was only implying Idra really, but since he's not involved ..... Theory still holds, just doesn't apply in this case!
. I hope that this will get both teams experience and satisfying success, it'll sure be good for EG players, let's just see if it'll benefit SlayerS as well. It'll be dreary if the foreigners aren't up to scratch for GSTL, but hey, how else will they get to that level of competition? EDIT: nevermind, the ones put forth by EG are certainly up to snuff and should be a great for SlayerS in this "exchange progamer" programe!
well this definitely brings slayers back into the competition level
startale still looks like the team to beat right now though with their players all doing excellent though mvp and prime aren't that far behind there's also the slumping IM and TSL that could theoretically do well as well and you would be foolish to count out nshoseo from doing well
i wish liquid could succeed here but it's just so cutthroat with these stacked teams that i would consider it insanity for them to make the cut at the end of the season (one can hope though with hero and taeja around )
On May 17 2012 09:26 bITt.mAN wrote: [...]but also seems like it'll marginalize SlayerS players who would otherwise play, but are replaced by some foreigners ....... with money. That's what I don't get, what have SlayerS got to gain from this[...]
Remember that it is still up to the attending Slayers coach which player will get in the booth. Otherwise: Slayers gains a third tested protoss, two sick terrans who can snipe Protoss and HuK. These things are pretty nice to receive.
On May 17 2012 09:25 Canucklehead wrote: WIth OGS disbanded, GSTL is down a team. I think EG should have sent Idra over and they could have competed as their own team. Slayers is already a huge team, that they don't need to use the EG lineup.
Liquid is competing as an individual team, actually.
On May 17 2012 09:12 Badfatpanda wrote: This is great news, will be excited to see how Tzain does during his stay in Korea, but does anyone know about how SteelSeries/Razer will be reacted to by the respective sponsors? I know it's been a rather big deal with partnerships in the past.
Idk, Slayers already had a pretty big line-up. I don`t see EG`s players adding anything. It adds redundancy in the new roster, not depth.
Coca, MMA, Ryung, Puzzle, Yugioh is already a solid 5-man team, and they have Min, Brown, Clide, Crank, Ven and Alicia to practice snipes, plus their new recruits. I wouldn`t replace any of the first 5 for a EG player.
I`d rather see EG as a separate team, but a combined roster is better than not seeing they at all. EG-Col would be fun, but not really feasible as a business plan, : P
On May 17 2012 09:25 Canucklehead wrote: WIth OGS disbanded, GSTL is down a team. I think EG should have sent Idra over and they could have competed as their own team. Slayers is already a huge team, that they don't need to use the EG lineup.
Liquid is competing as an individual team, actually.
I know that, which is why I said GSTL is down a team with OGS disbanded. It was a 12 team tournament and now it's an 11 team tournament and I don't want every OGS opponent to receive a forfeit win, so they need to replace them if they can.
On May 17 2012 09:33 DontGiveUp wrote: Idk, Slayers already had a pretty big line-up. I don`t see EG`s players adding anything. It adds redundancy in the new roster, not depth.
Coca, MMA, Ryung, Puzzle, Yugioh is already a solid 5-man team, and they have Min, Brown, Clide, Crank, Ven and Alicia to practice snipes, plus their new recruits. I wouldn`t replace any of the first 5 for a EG player.
JYP is better than Brown and Ven (and possibly Crank), PuMa is in a better shape than Ryung right and has acceptable TvP. Adding variancy and potential to a roster is never bad.
On May 17 2012 09:25 Canucklehead wrote: WIth OGS disbanded, GSTL is down a team. I think EG should have sent Idra over and they could have competed as their own team. Slayers is already a huge team, that they don't need to use the EG lineup.
Liquid is competing as an individual team, actually.
That doesn't have anything to do with what he said. If they send demuslim and Idra over they have a roster to compete.
On May 17 2012 09:26 bITt.mAN wrote: I don't understand, this feels like EG is tagging along with SlayerS and smacking their sticker on their boat, maybe putting forth some EG guys once in a while. Seems like a great "in" for EG (experience bonus galore), but also seems like it'll marginalize SlayerS players who would otherwise play, but are replaced by some foreigners ....... with money. That's what I don't get, what have SlayerS got to gain from this, apart from making friends with some evil gingers, and their ~genius~ fans?
Is tons of money, which seems to abduct all promising players from other teams (oh hi there PUMA), the sweet smelling glue that gets SlayerS to agree? What else could it be?!? [No accusations, I just can't think of any other logical explanation.]
Here's some history guys: once bought from their old teams, former stars GoRush, Nal_Ra (July too, but he then went to get a golden mouse, so not really) and Action never really did well. Likewise, KT(F) in Brood War was notorious for buying all the best players, but for some reason they didn't have the same dominance when it came to league championships. What I'm trying to say is, to make a good team, simply buying the good players won't be enough. Sometimes you need some re-vitalizing with new blood, ok fine, but you're in trouble if you focus too much on your by-gone stars instead of building up lesser players + Show Spoiler [WHOOPS] +
I didn't read attentively enough. PUMA, HukThorZain and JYP are CERTAINLY NOT bygone stars, please don't get me wrong. I was only implying Idra really, but since he's not involved ..... Theory still holds, just doesn't apply in this case!
. I hope that this will get both teams experience and satisfying success, it'll sure be good for EG players, let's just see if it'll benefit SlayerS as well. It'll be dreary if the foreigners aren't up to scratch for GSTL, but hey, how else will they get to that level of competition? EDIT: nevermind, the ones put forth by EG are certainly up to snuff and should be a great for SlayerS in this "exchange progamer" programe!
An in form Idra would actually be huge for slayers if they don't use coca since their z lineup is pretty horrible. Their zs, including coca, were a total of 0 and 2 all of last season.
On May 17 2012 09:26 bITt.mAN wrote: I don't understand, this feels like EG is tagging along with SlayerS and smacking their sticker on their boat, maybe putting forth some EG guys once in a while. Seems like a great "in" for EG (experience bonus galore), but also seems like it'll marginalize SlayerS players who would otherwise play, but are replaced by some foreigners ....... with money. That's what I don't get, what have SlayerS got to gain from this, apart from making friends with some evil gingers, and their ~genius~ fans?
Is tons of money, which seems to abduct all promising players from other teams (oh hi there PUMA), the sweet smelling glue that gets SlayerS to agree? What else could it be?!? [No accusations, I just can't think of any other logical explanation.]
Here's some history guys: once bought from their old teams, former stars GoRush, Nal_Ra (July too, but he then went to get a golden mouse, so not really) and Action never really did well. Likewise, KT(F) in Brood War was notorious for buying all the best players, but for some reason they didn't have the same dominance when it came to league championships. What I'm trying to say is, to make a good team, simply buying the good players won't be enough. Sometimes you need some re-vitalizing with new blood, ok fine, but you're in trouble if you focus too much on your by-gone stars instead of building up lesser players + Show Spoiler [WHOOPS] +
I didn't read attentively enough. PUMA, HukThorZain and JYP are CERTAINLY NOT bygone stars, please don't get me wrong. I was only implying Idra really, but since he's not involved ..... Theory still holds, just doesn't apply in this case!
. I hope that this will get both teams experience and satisfying success, it'll sure be good for EG players, let's just see if it'll benefit SlayerS as well. It'll be dreary if the foreigners aren't up to scratch for GSTL, but hey, how else will they get to that level of competition? EDIT: nevermind, the ones put forth by EG are certainly up to snuff and should be a great for SlayerS in this "exchange progamer" programe!
An in form Idra would actually be huge for slayers if they don't use coca since their z lineup is pretty horrible. Their zs, including coca, were a total of 0 and 2 all of last season.
YuGiOh and Miya, who are both SICK SICK zerg players, did not live at the teamhouse last season and did therefore not play in the GSTL. This season they have Coca back and both Miya and YuGiOh have moved in to the teamhouse. They're Zerg lineup is excellent this season, as well as their toss lineup (Alicia looking really strong once again, Puzzle is Puzzle, Ven & Arthur look promising).
Excellent, as long as they don't decide to field an EG player just for the sake of fielding a foreigner or appeasing the foreign fans. I hope they win the 3rd GSTL title!
On May 17 2012 10:03 Noocta wrote: Meh.. doubtfull they'll use anyone beside JYP and Puma from EG.
I think we definitly will see thorzain a few times. He often gets praised by korean players for being one of the best foreigners + he actually played some good games in the GSTL with f. united. He also won some big events like TSL3 and Dreamhack that show that can compete with the best. In my opinion, he doesn't look any less scary then JYP and Puma. Huk is also scary when he's at his best.
I think Slayers will use 1 or 2 Eg members per match, not only because the players are really good, but they also have to respect the partnership with EG and satisfy them. But ofcourse we will still see slayers guys like MMA, Crank and Coca
i doubt these players will be used much throughout the season. especially huk and thorzain, they won't be in korea much with the amount of tournaments in this time of year.
On May 17 2012 10:13 GreyKnight wrote: i doubt these players will be used much throughout the season. especially huk and thorzain, they won't be in korea much with the amount of tournaments in this time of year.
I don't know, but they would use them pretty often when they're there, because EG are good players to put against protosses, and Slayers' weakness is there.
On May 17 2012 10:03 Noocta wrote: Meh.. doubtfull they'll use anyone beside JYP and Puma from EG.
I think we definitly will see thorzain a few times. He often gets praised by korean players for being one of the best foreigners + he actually played some good games in the GSTL with f. united. He also won some big events like TSL3 and Dreamhack that show that can compete with the best. In my opinion, he doesn't look any less scary then JYP and Puma. Huk is also scary when he's at his best.
I think Slayers will use 1 or 2 Eg members per match, not only because the players are really good, but they also have to respect the partnership with EG and satisfy them. But ofcourse we will still see slayers guys like MMA, Puzzle and Coca
oh fuck.. this was supposed to be an edit, not a new post 0_o
EG needs a zerg up in there. Yugioh is good, but i mean, neither EG or slayers have a really world class zerg in there. Scoots shoudl see if he can buy up NSHS Seal's contract; I would love to see him on EG, and practicing wiht machine/idra.
On May 17 2012 10:21 dronefarm wrote: EG needs a zerg up in there. Yugioh is good, but i mean, neither EG or slayers have a really world class zerg in there. Scoots shoudl see if he can buy up NSHS Seal's contract; I would love to see him on EG, and practicing wiht machine/idra.
CoCa? He's returning to form, working well in the EGMC and beating TaeJa in the finals of the ESV Korean Weekly. Together with YuGiOh, Miya and Min to fall back on that's a pretty solid zerg line-up.
My favourite team joining my favourite foreign team is good times. Slayers EG fighting! It is so good to see the scene moving forward with so many partnerships, good luck to them both!
3 players they can use as Protoss snipers, absolutely massive boost to SlayerS. (Though I hope Coca will go 23-0 this season so maybe the snipers aren't needed)
How did this happen though? Conflicting sponsors was always the problem before, what changed? Someone in this thread said Razer doesn't sponsor SlayerS anymore but I am almost certain that that is complete bullshit.
On May 17 2012 10:29 Hall0wed wrote: How did this happen though? Conflicting sponsors was always the problem before, what changed? Someone in this thread said Razer doesn't sponsor SlayerS anymore but I am almost certain that that is complete bullshit.
http://team.razerzone.com/ SlayerS is not shown on the official page anymore. So I guess it's not complete bullshit.
Can't wait to see Thorzain in korea again, great chance for him now with EG. Also his last stay i believe he made close friends with Slayers house already.
I think of all the players there we'll definitely see JYP used for any PvZ and probably Thorzain for TvT. I do hope HuK and Puma get a shot, but given how many slayers there are it might not be totally likely.
Do not get me wrong , this is absolutely awesome. But doesn't this kind of defeat the purpose of Team League .... Oh well I'm not complaining this is amazing.
On May 17 2012 10:29 Hall0wed wrote: 3 players they can use as Protoss snipers, absolutely massive boost to SlayerS. (Though I hope Coca will go 23-0 this season so maybe the snipers aren't needed)
How did this happen though? Conflicting sponsors was always the problem before, what changed? Someone in this thread said Razer doesn't sponsor SlayerS anymore but I am almost certain that that is complete bullshit.
That is actually correct. It's not even a partial bullshit
This team may be one of (or the) strongest on paper, but we all know what that means when it comes to team leagues. We'll just have to wait and see if they can bring it in a team league format.
Well I guess this is kinda good - I'd rather see EG compete as a stand-alone team like Liquid is, though. They'd need to convince at least 2 more players to go to Korea to have a viable lineup though, I guess they couldn't do that.
On May 17 2012 11:58 Fubi wrote: I don't get it, why does EG not just enter as thier own team? I mean Fnatic entered as their own team and they have less notable players than EG
You need minimum 5 players available (in Korea) for an extended time period.
On May 17 2012 11:58 Fubi wrote: I don't get it, why does EG not just enter as thier own team? I mean Fnatic entered as their own team and they have less notable players than EG
You need minimum 5 players available (in Korea) for an extended time period.
huk,idra, puma thorzian, jyp five, and eg still has some leftover
On May 17 2012 11:58 Fubi wrote: I don't get it, why does EG not just enter as thier own team? I mean Fnatic entered as their own team and they have less notable players than EG
You need minimum 5 players available (in Korea) for an extended time period.
huk,idra, puma thorzian, jyp five, and eg still has some leftover
I believe idra doesnt want to go to korea again but yes you have a point
Puzzle is looking better and Crank showed that he has game in him. Unlikely that JYP and Huk will get played. Puma can bolster their ranks against Protoss players. 1-1-1 anyone?
On May 17 2012 11:58 Fubi wrote: I don't get it, why does EG not just enter as thier own team? I mean Fnatic entered as their own team and they have less notable players than EG
You need minimum 5 players available (in Korea) for an extended time period.
huk,idra, puma thorzian, jyp five, and eg still has some leftover
On May 17 2012 11:58 Fubi wrote: I don't get it, why does EG not just enter as thier own team? I mean Fnatic entered as their own team and they have less notable players than EG
You need minimum 5 players available (in Korea) for an extended time period.
On May 17 2012 09:07 Luepert wrote: Almost makes up for the loss of ganzi, taeja, sleep, dragon and golden.
GanZi and TaeJa are the only significant losses lol. The other 3 were B team players. EG players are better than all 3 of them, and Dragon is pretty much a nuisance to his new team >< Anyways, awesome deal for both teams. SlayerS-EG will be so strong! I'll be a fanboy and root for TSL, but as soon as they lose which they undoubtedly will, SlayerS-EG is my ticket to win it.
On May 17 2012 09:04 chipmonklord17 wrote: 2nd foreigner all kill incoming? I believe in Thorzain
Thorzain will get OWNED in first round of qualifier. He's too slow for Korea. Better staying in the foreign scene and get all the hypes like Stephano does instead of going 0-2 first round over there.
On May 17 2012 09:04 chipmonklord17 wrote: 2nd foreigner all kill incoming? I believe in Thorzain
Thorzain will get OWNED in first round of qualifier. He's too slow for Korea. Better staying in the foreign scene and get all the hypes like Stephano does instead of going 0-2 first round over there.
that's not fair to say. he won't be beating anyone soon but im sure a couple of months in korea will do him good.
On May 17 2012 09:04 chipmonklord17 wrote: 2nd foreigner all kill incoming? I believe in Thorzain
Thorzain will get OWNED in first round of qualifier. He's too slow for Korea. Better staying in the foreign scene and get all the hypes like Stephano does instead of going 0-2 first round over there.
what? You act like he hasn't beat Koreans before.
Hell he went 4-4 in GSTL last time he played in it.
On May 17 2012 10:29 Hall0wed wrote: How did this happen though? Conflicting sponsors was always the problem before, what changed? Someone in this thread said Razer doesn't sponsor SlayerS anymore but I am almost certain that that is complete bullshit.
http://team.razerzone.com/ SlayerS is not shown on the official page anymore. So I guess it's not complete bullshit.
I see. Well then was there anything ever announced about this? I am usually on top of these things so I find it hard to believe that I missed such an announcement.
Steelseries sponsorship for SlayerS inc? Do they currently sponsor any Korean teams?
On May 17 2012 09:04 chipmonklord17 wrote: 2nd foreigner all kill incoming? I believe in Thorzain
Thorzain will get OWNED in first round of qualifier. He's too slow for Korea. Better staying in the foreign scene and get all the hypes like Stephano does instead of going 0-2 first round over there.
god, cant people like you go away. on topic, im going to try and watch every slayers/eg match then.
On May 17 2012 10:29 Hall0wed wrote: How did this happen though? Conflicting sponsors was always the problem before, what changed? Someone in this thread said Razer doesn't sponsor SlayerS anymore but I am almost certain that that is complete bullshit.
http://team.razerzone.com/ SlayerS is not shown on the official page anymore. So I guess it's not complete bullshit.
I see. Well then was there anything ever announced about this? I am usually on top of these things so I find it hard to believe that I missed such an announcement.
Steelseries sponsorship for SlayerS inc? Do they currently sponsor any Korean teams?
there was no formal announcement that i know of. they haven't had razer patches on their jerseys for awhile.
and for SteelSeries, i'm not sure if they sponsor all of IM, but I know they sponsor MVP and Nestea.
I must be the only person who don`t like these joint teams in team leagues. If they win it would seem tainted to me because of an advantage of a deeper roster and more options. Please don`t kill me for this opinion T_T.
well this is nice.. but why not a separate team for EG... now they have huk, tzain, jyp, puma in korea and maybe Demu or Incontroll could also go.
Or at leat why they don`t partner up with Team Liquid since OGS is disbanned.. they could represent the foreign team on GSTL and at least we will get back Liquid Huk in a way.
On May 17 2012 14:21 jarod wrote: well this is nice.. but why not a separate team for EG... now they have huk, tzain, jyp, puma in korea and maybe Demu or Incontroll could also go.
Or at leat why they don`t partner up with Team Liquid since OGS is disbanned.. they could represent the foreign team on GSTL and at least we will get back Liquid Huk in a way.
anyhow GL to both of the teams.
Because GSTL is a huge commitment that will interfere with foreign tournaments. Because they don't have enough people in Korea to have a GSTL team and they can't just simply send Demuslim and Incontrol over. The SlayerS house has limited space.
EG in GSTL as their own team isn't viable right now. By partnering with SlayerS they dont have to move anyone else to Korea and they can attend foreign tournaments without worrying about having to play in GSTL.
On May 17 2012 14:21 jarod wrote: well this is nice.. but why not a separate team for EG... now they have huk, tzain, jyp, puma in korea and maybe Demu or Incontroll could also go.
Or at leat why they don`t partner up with Team Liquid since OGS is disbanned.. they could represent the foreign team on GSTL and at least we will get back Liquid Huk in a way.
anyhow GL to both of the teams.
5 players isn't enough.
You need more choice. If you have the same roster every time, other teams are going to roll through, they can have snipers prepared with no risk of them not getting used etc. Also, they'd constantly be flying out to international events, what if they're a player short, then they just can't compete, etc. It's not practical.
PuMa and Huk will probably see fairly regular use as a vP snipers. JYP less so, because even he snipes a Zerg any random Korean Terran will beat him. I don't know about ThorZaIN, the problem for him is he's overshadowed by Ryung and MMA, but I guess they'll have him practice to snipe Terrans.
Isn't HuK like undefeated in the GSTL lol? Played those like 2 games for oGs once when he was at Liquid and won 2 games in a row? xD But im glad this is happening, its good to get foreigners into the GSTL. GL EG Hwaiting!
Wow! This should be amazing :D Interesting, why IdrA won't be with 'em. Anyhow, JYP, PuMa, ThorZaIn and HuK together with SlayerS team will be able to do huge things! Rooting for them tho
On May 17 2012 17:19 Nekovivie wrote: IMO it takes away from the team league, when you get partnerships like this.
Just curious: you complained about oGsTL and StarTaleQ too?
Wasn't a fan of either.
I like the partnerships from like a business sense, or training together etc. Being part of the same outfit in a teamleague though, just makes the teamleague feel less special. Purely my views though of course.
On May 17 2012 17:19 Nekovivie wrote: IMO it takes away from the team league, when you get partnerships like this.
When you put it that way, it is a little bit of a double edge sword. But which end of the sword you choose to focus on is important too. I think this a GREAT opportunity for Huk, PuMa, JYP and Thorzain to get some possible burn. I remember one of my favorite moments in the GSTL was oGs sending out Huk and Hero as their aces.
I would prefer not to think of the "takes away from the team league" aspect.
Let me recap, MMA, Thorzain, Ryung, Puzzle, Alicia, Min, Puma, JYP, Huk, potentially IdrA if he wakes the fuck up, thats one deadly freaking line up. My general idea about favorites in this would be : 1- IM yeah they never performed in team leagues, but thats just bad luck, apart from the bad strategy part, talent is talent, Nestea/MVP all kill is never far, plus MC added to the mix, thats scary) 2- Between Prime and Liquid : its not fanboyism, but frankly Taeja, Hero, Ret (he can pull out code S games clearly), Zenio, Sheth (dont know if they're going to be in Korea tho :s, so my statement is about the team in general, if Ret & Sheth arent there then yeah it kinda sucks) and even TLO with this weird styles of his could perform really well, although it seems like there is a "randomish" factor to TL, guys like Sheth Ret or even Hero can either perform like living gods, or sometimes look a little weak 3- I'd say equal between EG and MVP and Startale, and yeah, I know, NSH performed well, but except if they got like some super crazy good underdogs never seen in Code A, Jjajki Seal Sage, I wouldnt see them own like they did before, but since it's korea, there is always some freaking 15 years old kid coming out of nowhere roasting 3 Code S players with some weird builds, so who knows :D
Still, its amazing that EG and Slayers can get to that level where it's realistic to see them win, both teams having kind of a bad time on a performing level (for most of their rosters at least), they could pull out some upsets big time and thats guuud It's sure as fuck is going to be the best team league ever hosted, I'm kinda "tired" of casted games (not tired but watched too much starcraft to be honest), and this is going to make me yell in front of my screen for hours, they MUST keep those leagues up, the elimination format makes it sooooo much entertaining, I dont know about other viewers, but to me it's like 3 times better without exagerating, watching replays from 1v1 that have been played "normally" just like ladder games, compared to a "Nestea, you're up, we count on you man, DONT FUCK THIS UP, you must kill 3 of them or we're in deep shit!", aaah, so many possibilities, and we get to see a real role for the coaches / captain, strategical, sniping, it's just wonderful to watch, I'm surprised I didnt see more "elimination format team league enthusiastic threads" or things like that. Thats the shit we could see someday on TV imho
On May 17 2012 20:55 mahO wrote: Let me recap, MMA, Thorzain, Ryung, Puzzle, Alicia, Min, Puma, JYP, Huk, potentially IdrA if he wakes the fuck up, thats one deadly freaking line up. My general idea about favorites in this would be : 1- IM yeah they never performed in team leagues, but thats just bad luck, apart from the bad strategy part, talent is talent, Nestea/MVP all kill is never far, plus MC added to the mix, thats scary) 2- Between Prime and Liquid : its not fanboyism, but frankly Taeja, Hero, Ret (he can pull out code S games clearly), Zenio, Sheth (dont know if they're going to be in Korea tho :s, so my statement is about the team in general, if Ret & Sheth arent there then yeah it kinda sucks) and even TLO with this weird styles of his could perform really well, although it seems like there is a "randomish" factor to TL, guys like Sheth Ret or even Hero can either perform like living gods, or sometimes look a little weak 3- I'd say equal between EG and MVP and Startale, and yeah, I know, NSH performed well, but except if they got like some super crazy good underdogs never seen in Code A, Jjajki Seal Sage, I wouldnt see them own like they did before, but since it's korea, there is always some freaking 15 years old kid coming out of nowhere roasting 3 Code S players with some weird builds, so who knows :D
yea no....no way TL can get top 3 in GSTL, they already struggle in EG-Teamleague.
With all those mergers, its probably gonna come down to
1. IM & MC 2. Prime 3. SlayerS & EG 4. StarTales 5. MVP
On May 17 2012 20:55 mahO wrote: Let me recap, MMA, Thorzain, Ryung, Puzzle, Alicia, Min, Puma, JYP, Huk, potentially IdrA if he wakes the fuck up, thats one deadly freaking line up. My general idea about favorites in this would be : 1- IM yeah they never performed in team leagues, but thats just bad luck, apart from the bad strategy part, talent is talent, Nestea/MVP all kill is never far, plus MC added to the mix, thats scary) 2- Between Prime and Liquid : its not fanboyism, but frankly Taeja, Hero, Ret (he can pull out code S games clearly), Zenio, Sheth (dont know if they're going to be in Korea tho :s, so my statement is about the team in general, if Ret & Sheth arent there then yeah it kinda sucks) and even TLO with this weird styles of his could perform really well, although it seems like there is a "randomish" factor to TL, guys like Sheth Ret or even Hero can either perform like living gods, or sometimes look a little weak 3- I'd say equal between EG and MVP and Startale, and yeah, I know, NSH performed well, but except if they got like some super crazy good underdogs never seen in Code A, Jjajki Seal Sage, I wouldnt see them own like they did before, but since it's korea, there is always some freaking 15 years old kid coming out of nowhere roasting 3 Code S players with some weird builds, so who knows :D
yea no....no way TL can get top 3 in GSTL, they already struggle in EG-Teamleague.
With all those mergers, its probably gonna come down to
1. IM & MC 2. Prime 3. SlayerS & EG 4. StarTales 5. MVP
Nah man, online tournaments has nothing to do with live lan, everybody focused around that shit, Hero and Taeja who's new and freaking performing, I'd make a wild bet on TL to get far in this , and again, i'm not a "fan", just honest opinion, but please Ret go to korea! didnt check if he was but he deserves to prove that he's the second best foreign zerg and possibly number one, more confidence in his play and that dude could seriously crush some top players
On May 17 2012 21:58 ZeroSC2 wrote: Lol...not a fan.... "ok" Oz and aLive are better players than HerO and TaeJa.
Still no chance for even fnatic.
Both fnatic and TL dont have enough Quantity of top tier players, when compared to the merged teams or the top GSTL teams like Prime and MVP.
(Zenio and ByuL arent Code S level imo)
I think these mergers are pretty lame, really fucked up the chances of the foreign teams.
I would go insane if I were one of those managers of fnatic or TL.
Ahah, yeah I know what you mean, but thats also a way for them to actually get a way into the korean scene, which is needed at the moment. But I hope these mergers wont last more than a year, it should be a foreigner team by itself, a freaking Clan doesnt merge, it's a clan, it evolves on his own, recruits, fix problems etc. once the gap between foreign scene and korean's get closed, it shouldnt happen. About alive and Oz I wouldnt say better players, they're on the same level, but as always, SC2 is unpredictable, when you showed skills as they all did, anything can happen, you can be in a bad mood, didnt catch enough sleep, and next thing you know FREAKING QXC ALL KILL INCREDIBLE MIRACLE ahahaha. know what I mean?
On May 17 2012 22:47 ZeroSC2 wrote: TL should team up with oGs and fnatic with StarTales (yea make them Squirtle, PartinG, Oz Toss combo of death)
At least things gets balanced then.
Startale already has Quantic.
You also have to take player exposure into account. It's not just about winning.
yea, who knows what will happen.
The hype is always bigger than the actual event.
Maybe we wont see all those 3 giants put together in a clanwar, and fnatic might win against the likes of LosirA and Happy.
Still, I would like to see an statement from SK on this move. It seems they really want to compete in GSTL, but why not just add oGs players then, and replace them ?
On May 17 2012 09:22 Battousai13 wrote: Can't believe I'm saying this, but that line up actually needs IdrA. SlayerS only has a few choice Zerg players in CoCa and Min. Min is not that good..
You forget Miya & YuGiOh, so i doubt they have to worry about needing the likes of IdrA.
On May 17 2012 22:47 ZeroSC2 wrote: TL should team up with oGs and fnatic with StarTales (yea make them Squirtle, PartinG, Oz Toss combo of death)
At least things gets balanced then.
Startale already has Quantic.
You also have to take player exposure into account. It's not just about winning.
yea, who knows what will happen.
The hype is always bigger than the actual event.
Maybe we wont see all those 3 giants put together in a clanwar, and fnatic might win against the likes of LosirA and Happy.
Still, I would like to see an statement from SK on this move. It seems they really want to compete in GSTL, but why not just add oGs players then, and replace them ?
On May 17 2012 09:22 Battousai13 wrote: Can't believe I'm saying this, but that line up actually needs IdrA. SlayerS only has a few choice Zerg players in CoCa and Min. Min is not that good..
You forget Miya & YuGiOh, so i doubt they have to worry about needing the likes of IdrA.
and YuGiOh way outperformed where I thought he was at when he just + Show Spoiler +
beat Marineking 2-1 :OOOOO
So yeah, Slayers doesn't need a player who lost straight out of the gsl without winning anything after being given a seed, no matter how good he used to be. (although he always does seem to come back just when I think he is out, so maybe....)
It puts slayers back to being able to compete however I still put them behind startaleQ by a longshot and prime, LG-IM-Sk and teamliquid we be as strong as slayers
On May 18 2012 07:48 IamPryda wrote: It puts slayers back to being able to compete however I still put them behind startaleQ by a longshot and prime, LG-IM-Sk and teamliquid we be as strong as slayers
On May 18 2012 07:48 IamPryda wrote: It puts slayers back to being able to compete however I still put them behind startaleQ by a longshot and prime, LG-IM-Sk and teamliquid we be as strong as slayers
lol I doubt TL will be stronger
How do u figure Slayers to be stronger? While slayers is much deeper I'll agree but TL top four/five match up pretty even. If you want to say an ace match with mma gives them an advantage but i could counter by saying if hero is TL ace then I would go hero considering mma can't even beat with his weakass tvp
On May 18 2012 09:22 jmbthirteen wrote: EG tweeted this a bit ago
Makes sense. There was that SlayerS Blue Flame build that was all the rage several months back, burning Idra's Drone line countless times at MLG. Makes sense that EG would be set ablaze with the Blue Flames of SlayerS's Terran line.
On May 18 2012 09:22 jmbthirteen wrote: EG tweeted this a bit ago
Makes sense. There was that SlayerS Blue Flame build that was all the rage several months back, burning Idra's Drone line countless times at MLG. Makes sense that EG would be set ablaze with the Blue Flames of SlayerS's Terran line.
I'm delighted that the rationale behind this logo could be so quickly figured out.
On May 18 2012 09:22 jmbthirteen wrote: EG tweeted this a bit ago
Makes sense. There was that SlayerS Blue Flame build that was all the rage several months back, burning Idra's Drone line countless times at MLG. Makes sense that EG would be set ablaze with the Blue Flames of SlayerS's Terran line.
On May 18 2012 07:48 IamPryda wrote: It puts slayers back to being able to compete however I still put them behind startaleQ by a longshot and prime, LG-IM-Sk and teamliquid we be as strong as slayers
lol I doubt TL will be stronger
How do u figure Slayers to be stronger? While slayers is much deeper I'll agree but TL top four/five match up pretty even. If you want to say an ace match with mma gives them an advantage but i could counter by saying if hero is TL ace then I would go hero considering mma can't even beat with his weakass tvp
why do people still thinking TL to be favorites? + Show Spoiler +
right Iam on TL website
They lost against fnatic without even having Oz available at that time.
Fnatic has better chances than TL, both aLive and Oz can beat anyone in the world. But this is a nasty Season, and if fnatic ends up losing to IM but beating TSL, they are doomed to play in a group with MVP, SlayerS-EG and Prime in next group round while Liquid for 2nd place gets to play StarTale and FXO.
Not really fair imo, but anyways both foreign team will lose at 2nd group stage, so who cares then...
How amazing is the GSTL going to be when we get to see Puma, then Thorzain, then MMA all one after the other. That's got to be one of the scariest lineups ever.
Who would Slayers really choose from EG? Thorzain is a beast at teamleagues but other than him? HuK has never really shown great results in teamleagues, and slayers has a power house already... Additionally Puma was never a teamleague beast like Bomber
Oh and to everyone curious about why other EG members aren't mentioned, you can't play GSTL unless you live in korea so the EG members living in korea or moving there (Puma/JYP/Huk/Thorzain) are there.
On May 21 2012 22:26 NeMeSiS3 wrote: Who would Slayers really choose from EG? Thorzain is a beast at teamleagues but other than him? HuK has never really shown great results in teamleagues, and slayers has a power house already... Additionally Puma was never a teamleague beast like Bomber
Oh and to everyone curious about why other EG members aren't mentioned, you can't play GSTL unless you live in korea so the EG members living in korea or moving there (Puma/JYP/Huk/Thorzain) are there.
Huk is amazing (that's what he said in an interview) in Teamleagues (he has a positive record in the GSTL ). And didn't Puma all-kill one time when he was still in TSL? I wouldn't worry about that. Although Slayers still has many great players.
On May 18 2012 07:48 IamPryda wrote: It puts slayers back to being able to compete however I still put them behind startaleQ by a longshot and prime, LG-IM-Sk and teamliquid we be as strong as slayers
lol I doubt TL will be stronger
How do u figure Slayers to be stronger? While slayers is much deeper I'll agree but TL top four/five match up pretty even. If you want to say an ace match with mma gives them an advantage but i could counter by saying if hero is TL ace then I would go hero considering mma can't even beat with his weakass tvp
Liquid is Zerg heavy, and Slayers has MMA. Besides, a team cannot rely on a single Protoss, you need the depth. What really hurts Liquid is the lack of Ret and Sheth, two of Liquid's critical members, and without them, it will be hard for Liquid this season.
On May 21 2012 22:26 NeMeSiS3 wrote: Who would Slayers really choose from EG? Thorzain is a beast at teamleagues but other than him? HuK has never really shown great results in teamleagues, and slayers has a power house already... Additionally Puma was never a teamleague beast like Bomber
Oh and to everyone curious about why other EG members aren't mentioned, you can't play GSTL unless you live in korea so the EG members living in korea or moving there (Puma/JYP/Huk/Thorzain) are there.
I read your first three sentences and already I can tell you're talking out of your ass and you have no idea what you are talking about huk was an ace for oGs when hr was on teamliquid you don't know anything
On May 21 2012 22:26 NeMeSiS3 wrote: Who would Slayers really choose from EG? Thorzain is a beast at teamleagues but other than him? HuK has never really shown great results in teamleagues, and slayers has a power house already... Additionally Puma was never a teamleague beast like Bomber
Oh and to everyone curious about why other EG members aren't mentioned, you can't play GSTL unless you live in korea so the EG members living in korea or moving there (Puma/JYP/Huk/Thorzain) are there.
I read your first three sentences and already I can tell you're talking out of your ass and you have no idea what you are talking about huk was an ace for oGs when hr was on teamliquid you don't know anything
I am absolutely certain that this is a troll. But anyways I might as well respond XD
HuK played two games for oGs-TL. It was on the same day vs Prime. And I'm pretty sure its because MC/SuperNova were not there that day but I'm not sure about the last part
On May 21 2012 22:26 NeMeSiS3 wrote: Who would Slayers really choose from EG? Thorzain is a beast at teamleagues but other than him? HuK has never really shown great results in teamleagues, and slayers has a power house already... Additionally Puma was never a teamleague beast like Bomber
Oh and to everyone curious about why other EG members aren't mentioned, you can't play GSTL unless you live in korea so the EG members living in korea or moving there (Puma/JYP/Huk/Thorzain) are there.
I read your first three sentences and already I can tell you're talking out of your ass and you have no idea what you are talking about huk was an ace for oGs when hr was on teamliquid you don't know anything
I am absolutely certain that this is a troll. But anyways I might as well respond XD
HuK played two games for oGs-TL. It was on the same day vs Prime. And I'm pretty sure its because MC/SuperNova were not there that day but I'm not sure about the last part
First off i am not a troll. Second of all MC and SuperNoVa WERE both there i am hundred percent sure i watched the game.. again another poster replying to something they know nothing about Third HuK was an ACE for oGs before he went to EG
Go look up the dates when he played the GSTL with oGs-TL and when he transfered to EG sigh... calling me a troll when u dont know anything
On May 21 2012 22:26 NeMeSiS3 wrote: Who would Slayers really choose from EG? Thorzain is a beast at teamleagues but other than him? HuK has never really shown great results in teamleagues, and slayers has a power house already... Additionally Puma was never a teamleague beast like Bomber
Oh and to everyone curious about why other EG members aren't mentioned, you can't play GSTL unless you live in korea so the EG members living in korea or moving there (Puma/JYP/Huk/Thorzain) are there.
I read your first three sentences and already I can tell you're talking out of your ass and you have no idea what you are talking about huk was an ace for oGs when hr was on teamliquid you don't know anything
I am absolutely certain that this is a troll. But anyways I might as well respond XD
HuK played two games for oGs-TL. It was on the same day vs Prime. And I'm pretty sure its because MC/SuperNova were not there that day but I'm not sure about the last part
First off i am not a troll. Second of all MC and SuperNoVa WERE both there i am hundred percent sure i watched the game.. again another poster replying to something they know nothing about Third HuK was an ACE for oGs before he went to EG
Go look up the dates when he played the GSTL with oGs-TL and when he transfered to EG sigh... calling me a troll when u dont know anything
Okay they were there. Who fucking cares he played ONCE how can you call that an ace?
On May 21 2012 22:26 NeMeSiS3 wrote: Who would Slayers really choose from EG? Thorzain is a beast at teamleagues but other than him? HuK has never really shown great results in teamleagues, and slayers has a power house already... Additionally Puma was never a teamleague beast like Bomber
Oh and to everyone curious about why other EG members aren't mentioned, you can't play GSTL unless you live in korea so the EG members living in korea or moving there (Puma/JYP/Huk/Thorzain) are there.
I read your first three sentences and already I can tell you're talking out of your ass and you have no idea what you are talking about huk was an ace for oGs when hr was on teamliquid you don't know anything
I am absolutely certain that this is a troll. But anyways I might as well respond XD
HuK played two games for oGs-TL. It was on the same day vs Prime. And I'm pretty sure its because MC/SuperNova were not there that day but I'm not sure about the last part
First off i am not a troll. Second of all MC and SuperNoVa WERE both there i am hundred percent sure i watched the game.. again another poster replying to something they know nothing about Third HuK was an ACE for oGs before he went to EG
Go look up the dates when he played the GSTL with oGs-TL and when he transfered to EG sigh... calling me a troll when u dont know anything
Okay they were there. Who fucking cares he played ONCE how can you call that an ace?
I think he was just trying to say that Huk played in the ACE spot for oGs. Not necessarily that he was the best player on oGsTL at the time.
EDIT: Also that one appearance makes Huk's all-time GSTL record 2-0, and 100% in the ace/final spot.
On May 21 2012 22:26 NeMeSiS3 wrote: Who would Slayers really choose from EG? Thorzain is a beast at teamleagues but other than him? HuK has never really shown great results in teamleagues, and slayers has a power house already... Additionally Puma was never a teamleague beast like Bomber
Oh and to everyone curious about why other EG members aren't mentioned, you can't play GSTL unless you live in korea so the EG members living in korea or moving there (Puma/JYP/Huk/Thorzain) are there.
I read your first three sentences and already I can tell you're talking out of your ass and you have no idea what you are talking about huk was an ace for oGs when hr was on teamliquid you don't know anything
I am absolutely certain that this is a troll. But anyways I might as well respond XD
HuK played two games for oGs-TL. It was on the same day vs Prime. And I'm pretty sure its because MC/SuperNova were not there that day but I'm not sure about the last part
First off i am not a troll. Second of all MC and SuperNoVa WERE both there i am hundred percent sure i watched the game.. again another poster replying to something they know nothing about Third HuK was an ACE for oGs before he went to EG
Go look up the dates when he played the GSTL with oGs-TL and when he transfered to EG sigh... calling me a troll when u dont know anything
Okay they were there. Who fucking cares he played ONCE how can you call that an ace?
You kno who cares? I do because I brought it up, and I proved to you false information maybe you should not act like you know things n cry when you get schooled.
Don't be calling people trolls when your trolling funny isn't it
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