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Asymmetric
Profile Joined June 2011
Scotland1309 Posts
May 14 2012 01:15 GMT
#1141
On May 14 2012 09:47 Tippecanoe wrote:
MKP is still the best player in the world right now...


At this present moment?

Startale Squirtle.

sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-14 01:27:12
May 14 2012 01:26 GMT
#1142
This debate is like a religion vs darwinism discussion. every single fact and statistic shows that Terran is the most succesful race in Starcraft 2, yet some people put more trust and belief into the words of one individual whom they view as a god/messiah.
you no take candle
SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4730 Posts
May 14 2012 01:28 GMT
#1143
On May 14 2012 10:15 Asymmetric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 09:47 Tippecanoe wrote:
MKP is still the best player in the world right now...


At this present moment?

Startale Squirtle.


Not even close
ლ(╹◡╹ლ)
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
May 14 2012 01:30 GMT
#1144
On May 14 2012 10:28 SenorChang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 10:15 Asymmetric wrote:
On May 14 2012 09:47 Tippecanoe wrote:
MKP is still the best player in the world right now...


At this present moment?

Startale Squirtle.


Not even close


Id say pretty close (if not above) as he defeated him in MLG, placed higher in the last GSL (finalist, possible champion while MKP got knocked down to code A) and is currently ranked no1 in the TLPD.
you no take candle
mjf
Profile Joined April 2010
United States436 Posts
May 14 2012 01:31 GMT
#1145
why are we arguing about who is the best player in sc2 in a thread about a flash interview
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-14 01:35:21
May 14 2012 01:33 GMT
#1146
On May 14 2012 10:31 mjf wrote:
why are we arguing about who is the best player in sc2 in a thread about a flash interview

indeed, what has happened to team liquid? this thread should have turned into a idra/destiny/orb flamefest by now...
you no take candle
Darkman
Profile Joined April 2012
United States64 Posts
May 14 2012 01:34 GMT
#1147
[image loading]

User was warned for this post
SuperYo1000
Profile Joined July 2008
United States880 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-14 01:46:51
May 14 2012 01:43 GMT
#1148
I think i figured it out. Flash isnt winning 99% of his games against protoss so he thinks that there is some imbalance :D
krista031
Profile Joined May 2012
Croatia2 Posts
May 14 2012 01:44 GMT
#1149
this

How are your SC2 skills at the moment?
I'm really not that good so I'm still at the stage of learning.


What SC2 player are you paying the most attention to?
No one yet. I had planned on focusing on the basics in the beginning and then looking at VODs, so I intend on watching them from now on.


and this

What are some difficulties for you?
I think there's a problem with the balance. Protoss is overpowered so I hope they balance it out.



that is contradictive..
and everything else is denied right there when the logic was.. well there was no logic

i have a great respect for him, but he needs to take some time to learn and feel the game before i take this kind of statements seriously.. bw and sc2 are two whole worlds apart..
'There is not such thing as miraculous as impossible to be..not even Gizmo'
redviper
Profile Joined May 2010
Pakistan2333 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-14 01:53:16
May 14 2012 01:52 GMT
#1150
On May 14 2012 09:47 Tippecanoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 09:37 SmileZerg wrote:
On May 14 2012 09:33 Tippecanoe wrote:
On May 14 2012 09:25 SmileZerg wrote:
On May 14 2012 09:20 Tippecanoe wrote:
On May 14 2012 09:16 dafnay wrote:
On May 14 2012 07:55 sc2holar wrote:
GSL WINS;
7 Terrans
5 Zergs
2 Protoss

ill just leave this here.


nono dude , everyone know that players who play terran are naturally better ^.^


There are no Zerg or Protoss players near the caliber that MKP is at right now, or mvp before his wrists.


Yeah, DRG is a calibre better.


Considering MKP is the best player in the world right now it would be impossible for DRG to be above him. Also MC and parting are worse than MKP.

Name a Zerg or Protoss player with better Micro than MKP or better macro than MVP or Bomber.


That's hilarious, because DRG beat him in the finals of the last MLG, and Terran is currently the favored race in ZvT among top Koreans (thus the balance changes in the latest patch).


Marineking beat him 5-2 and 4-2 before that.

MKP is still the best player in the world right now. Don't remember who said it, but a very good top tier korean pro said that when MKP is at home playing on ladder hes almost unbeatable and he wasn't winning tournaments because of his stage fright, but now that he has gotten over it and MVP's wrist exploded hes the best player in the world right now.



I seem to recall reading something about wristless MVP in the GSL finals. I wonder where and when I read it. Where is MKP in GSL?

edit:I love MKP but he isn't even close to the level of MVP's brilliance. MVP is truly the greatest SC2 player right now.
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
May 14 2012 01:57 GMT
#1151
On May 14 2012 10:34 Darkman wrote:
[image loading]


Best image I think I've ever seen.... So true, TL is degrading faster and faster in the SC2 section... Everything is a dick measuring contest with balance here now'adays... Can't help it I guess though, haters gonna hate
FoTG fighting!
Finnz
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom260 Posts
May 14 2012 01:58 GMT
#1152
i laughed when i read the balance parts. I too would like HoTS to level out but we all know it wont so expect a change in race from flash when it comes out.
ColA-
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada66 Posts
May 14 2012 01:59 GMT
#1153
Flash is so good, saw his replay. GG god. Good luck!
Nerf probes, they carry to many minerals.
darklight54321
Profile Joined July 2011
United States361 Posts
May 14 2012 02:00 GMT
#1154
On May 14 2012 10:44 krista031 wrote:
this

Show nested quote +
How are your SC2 skills at the moment?
I'm really not that good so I'm still at the stage of learning.


Show nested quote +
What SC2 player are you paying the most attention to?
No one yet. I had planned on focusing on the basics in the beginning and then looking at VODs, so I intend on watching them from now on.


and this

Show nested quote +
What are some difficulties for you?
I think there's a problem with the balance. Protoss is overpowered so I hope they balance it out.



that is contradictive..
and everything else is denied right there when the logic was.. well there was no logic

i have a great respect for him, but he needs to take some time to learn and feel the game before i take this kind of statements seriously.. bw and sc2 are two whole worlds apart..



exactly what i was thinking. I know flash is incredible and i'm picking him for a guaranteed Code S level player in the near(er) future. This does not mean that he knows enough about the game now. Hell, i'm not even masters but i probably know more about balance and the metagame then flash right now. right now being the key word. I'd give him a month at the highest before he surpasses me. I think when the proleague starts up we'll see how the BW transitioners are still at a lower level compared to the current sc2 pros.

Pretty much, i think he needs two or three more months before i'd seriously get behind his opinions about the races.
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
May 14 2012 02:01 GMT
#1155
On May 14 2012 08:54 Rorschach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 08:34 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On May 14 2012 07:55 sc2holar wrote:
GSL WINS;
7 Terrans
5 Zergs
2 Protoss

ill just leave this here.


There are more Terran players than any other race therefore there's a higher chance of them winning the GSL.

Also, this last GSL had 3 protoss and 1 Terran in the top 4.



I hope you see the irony in you quoting ONE round of 4 racial distribution compared to him giving results for all GSL finals.....


For the record, I quoted ONE round because It's the most current round. The reason I didn't include the previous rounds is because Terran has had a lot of buffs removed since this recent patch. Therefore, the argument about which race has won the GSL the most is invalid because each season didn't have the same patch and in my opinion that makes a huge difference. Also, counting the GSL opens and first couple of GSL seasons don't even count (in my opinion) because nobody even knew how to play the metagame at that time. If you want to do the statistics about which race won the GSL the most (regardless of patch) I would start with the GSL's played in 2012 and forward because we can't really make a comparision until at least two more rounds of GSL are played (on the same patch) then I feel that should be an efficient enough sample size to do the statistics and analysis on.
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
May 14 2012 02:05 GMT
#1156
I have to say this interview really surprised me in one particular aspect; i always thought there was some kind of un-written law among broodwar pros that they would not make comments about race balance (despite protoss being seemingly underpowered for many years).
you no take candle
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
May 14 2012 02:06 GMT
#1157
On May 14 2012 11:01 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 08:54 Rorschach wrote:
On May 14 2012 08:34 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On May 14 2012 07:55 sc2holar wrote:
GSL WINS;
7 Terrans
5 Zergs
2 Protoss

ill just leave this here.


There are more Terran players than any other race therefore there's a higher chance of them winning the GSL.

Also, this last GSL had 3 protoss and 1 Terran in the top 4.



I hope you see the irony in you quoting ONE round of 4 racial distribution compared to him giving results for all GSL finals.....


For the record, I quoted ONE round because It's the most current round. The reason I didn't include the previous rounds is because Terran has had a lot of buffs removed since this recent patch. Therefore, the argument about which race has won the GSL the most is invalid because each season didn't have the same patch and in my opinion that makes a huge difference. Also, counting the GSL opens and first couple of GSL seasons don't even count (in my opinion) because nobody even knew how to play the metagame at that time. If you want to do the statistics about which race won the GSL the most (regardless of patch) I would start with the GSL's played in 2012 and forward because we can't really make a comparision until at least two more rounds of GSL are played (on the same patch) then I feel that should be an efficient enough sample size to do the statistics and analysis on.

So then by your way of measuring protoss has 0 GSL wins? you sure make a strong case
you no take candle
ppdealer
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada163 Posts
May 14 2012 02:07 GMT
#1158
On May 14 2012 09:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 08:34 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On May 14 2012 07:55 sc2holar wrote:
GSL WINS;
7 Terrans
5 Zergs
2 Protoss

ill just leave this here.


There are more Terran players than any other race therefore there's a higher chance of them winning the GSL.

Also, this last GSL had 3 protoss and 1 Terran in the top 4.


Why do you think more pro-gamers have decided to play Terran? Because of the higher skill ceiling.

Also, when DRG played Genius in the finals (just last season), the other two semi-finalists were Terran. And this season still was half Terrans (not to mention the fact that nearly every season ever was half or more Terran). What's your point?

Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 08:00 DemigodcelpH wrote:
On May 14 2012 07:58 sc2holar wrote:
Also, when every protoss pro in the world was complaining about 1/1/1, the consensus on this forum was that toss was playing bad and had to figure out how to deal with it. now when Terrans complain about P, people declare it to be the absolute truth. Funny how Terran-dominated this forum is.


It's not. The unbiased Protoss players all agree that their race is currently overpowered.


Oh cool look an unfalsifiable claim. Actually, you should probably look at the statistics and winrates before making such a claim about Protoss being OP. The facts show they're not.


There aren't actually anymore Terran pros than those of other races. If you look at the number players in each team it's fairly even overall. It's "only" in tournaments where they somehow do better.

And then there's this:


Q: What do you think of the balance in SC2?
S2: I'm not at the skill level to talk balance, but all the races seem good except Zerg.
Light: I think Zerg looks the weakest, and Terran is a race that looks strong when played well. However, I haven't reached that level yet, and TvP is a bit hard.

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Rorschach
Profile Joined May 2010
United States623 Posts
May 14 2012 02:12 GMT
#1159
On May 14 2012 11:01 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 08:54 Rorschach wrote:
On May 14 2012 08:34 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On May 14 2012 07:55 sc2holar wrote:
GSL WINS;
7 Terrans
5 Zergs
2 Protoss

ill just leave this here.


There are more Terran players than any other race therefore there's a higher chance of them winning the GSL.

Also, this last GSL had 3 protoss and 1 Terran in the top 4.



I hope you see the irony in you quoting ONE round of 4 racial distribution compared to him giving results for all GSL finals.....


For the record, I quoted ONE round because It's the most current round. The reason I didn't include the previous rounds is because Terran has had a lot of buffs removed since this recent patch. Therefore, the argument about which race has won the GSL the most is invalid because each season didn't have the same patch and in my opinion that makes a huge difference. Also, counting the GSL opens and first couple of GSL seasons don't even count (in my opinion) because nobody even knew how to play the metagame at that time. If you want to do the statistics about which race won the GSL the most (regardless of patch) I would start with the GSL's played in 2012 and forward because we can't really make a comparision until at least two more rounds of GSL are played (on the same patch) then I feel that should be an efficient enough sample size to do the statistics and analysis on.



Are you really arguing that a smaller sample size would be more accurate because trends from 6 months ago are no longer used? >_<
En Taro Adun, Executor!
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-14 02:18:27
May 14 2012 02:16 GMT
#1160
On May 14 2012 11:12 Rorschach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 11:01 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On May 14 2012 08:54 Rorschach wrote:
On May 14 2012 08:34 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On May 14 2012 07:55 sc2holar wrote:
GSL WINS;
7 Terrans
5 Zergs
2 Protoss

ill just leave this here.


There are more Terran players than any other race therefore there's a higher chance of them winning the GSL.

Also, this last GSL had 3 protoss and 1 Terran in the top 4.



I hope you see the irony in you quoting ONE round of 4 racial distribution compared to him giving results for all GSL finals.....


For the record, I quoted ONE round because It's the most current round. The reason I didn't include the previous rounds is because Terran has had a lot of buffs removed since this recent patch. Therefore, the argument about which race has won the GSL the most is invalid because each season didn't have the same patch and in my opinion that makes a huge difference. Also, counting the GSL opens and first couple of GSL seasons don't even count (in my opinion) because nobody even knew how to play the metagame at that time. If you want to do the statistics about which race won the GSL the most (regardless of patch) I would start with the GSL's played in 2012 and forward because we can't really make a comparision until at least two more rounds of GSL are played (on the same patch) then I feel that should be an efficient enough sample size to do the statistics and analysis on.



Are you really arguing that a smaller sample size would be more accurate because trends from 6 months ago are no longer used? >_<


No, I'm arguing that we need more recent sample sizes to make a comparison. I was just giving my opinion, your entitled to yours as well.
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