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K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
May 11 2012 22:31 GMT
#601
T_T;;

Flash.. it's so weird hearing him talk about SC2. I wish BW can stay around longer.
A-p-p-l-e-s
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada314 Posts
May 11 2012 22:32 GMT
#602
OMG... 4 days of playing and got masters >.<
took yellow almost a month!!
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
May 11 2012 22:32 GMT
#603
On May 12 2012 07:07 takingbackoj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 07:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On May 12 2012 06:59 SoniC_eu wrote:
On May 12 2012 06:55 Youtakenocandle wrote:
I never followed sc1 and don't know much about Flash, but balance whining as a supposed sc1 legend is pretty lame.

Flash was sharing his current opnion (which could change in the future mind you). He understands RTS games like no one else, so I find your comment rather interesting.


Wrong. He understands SC:BW like no one else. I'd bet you everything I had that he knows jack-all about C&C, Age of Empires, or even WC3.

To say he understands BW, so he automatically knows more than Code S players is complete bull.

Artosis has admitted on SotG that some code S players have no understanding of the game at all. And also I don't see any quote mentioning he thought Flash knew more than any code S player.

He said Flash "understands RTS games like no one else". There's one, and only one, game that Flash can claim to have the highest knowledge of, and it certainly isn't SC2.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Donnie_Par
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada72 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 22:36:24
May 11 2012 22:33 GMT
#604
On May 12 2012 07:07 JimmiC wrote:
Dream Hack won by Terran
MLG spring arena won by Zerg
Ironsquid won by Terran
MLG winter 2012 won by Terran
IPL 4 won by Terran
IEM Season VI Protoss
GSL season 1 Terran
Assembly 2012 Terran
IEM Sao Paulo Zerg
IEM Kiev Terran
Homestory IV Protoss
AOL King Of Kongs Zerg


Don't ACTUAL results matter?


very true, but, for example, just because this code-s may be won by a terran, doesn't mean that there isn't something wrong that there were 3 protosses in the top 4. what race wins a tournament is generally unimportant, it should be looked at more how many of each race are in the top 8/top 4.

*edit* i'm saying the winner of tournaments is generally unimportant, because someone can just be on a tear and win with whatever builds they're doing. an overall trend of terran winning might signal something, but still I think it's much more important which races are in the top 4, so it's taken into account the argument that "oh, the best players play terran so they always will win since they're just better"

in my personal opinion, the game as a whole is very balanced, but it should be changed from the way it is, where protoss is almost impossible to beat in the late game tvp, to something where terran is slightly worse in their advantage phase, and protoss is worse in their advantage phase(late game) so it doesn't turn into the turtle fest that it often does for protosses... just my opinion
darnaldo never end
Dumbtruck
Profile Joined September 2011
56 Posts
May 11 2012 22:33 GMT
#605
On May 12 2012 07:22 -Exalt- wrote:
lol at the amount of bad terrans in this thread who think the statement "everything about protoss is OP, forcefields are OP" holds any actual meaning especially coming from someone with such little exerience in SC2. keep telling yourself that protoss is OP when in reality you're just getting outplayed.

everytime toss got 1/1/1'd he just got outplayed brutally. typical toss........
Fix637
Profile Joined February 2011
United States256 Posts
May 11 2012 22:33 GMT
#606
I'm very surprised about the comments Flash made concerning balance. Normally balance whining is attributed to people not wanting to take responsibility for their mistakes, but when someone like Flash comes out and says Protoss is overpowered then it makes me think there really could be a problem.
rEalGuapo
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany832 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 22:35:10
May 11 2012 22:34 GMT
#607
On May 12 2012 07:29 An2quamaraN wrote:
Eh...so he starts with admitting that he is a total noob and then proceeds to call Protoss OP. "Forcefields/Warpgates OP" while Protoss has only 2 GSL gold medals...and then calls terran the weakest while they won the most. Expected more from him...


That is what I took out of the interview at first as well.
Then I read it like 3 more times.

I believe he actually means that he is losing to all-ins from Protoss and Zerg a lot right now.
That is understandable since he does not know all the slight differences in all-ins and cannot react perfectly. Because he was not playing when the races got explored.

He then says that Forcefields and Warpin are imbalanced, which I believe he sees as the main reason why he loses to Protoss right now.
I think he just means exactly that. He loses because of this and has not yet adapted.

I would give Flash the benefit of the doubt and assume that he just spoke a bit to harsh or that the translation is not 100% accurate.
tpmraven
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States833 Posts
May 11 2012 22:34 GMT
#608
never watched any BW, always thought the old saying that bw players would WRECK FACE END ALL THAT IS AND EVER WILL BE, was a total lie and false hope.

At the end of the day, after reading this interview, as short as it is, i came to respect flash, and hope he does well in sc2.
(⌐■_■) Like a boss
KareKano
Profile Joined May 2012
16 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 22:35:52
May 11 2012 22:34 GMT
#609
On May 12 2012 07:31 K3Nyy wrote:
T_T;;

Flash.. it's so weird hearing him talk about SC2. I wish BW can stay around longer.


hey friend, i too mourn the fading of BW, played it for 5 years, i watched the epics of Savior vs Nal_rA in 2006, a big fan of the maestro of zerg here, but there is still something we can do, we can make our voice loud so that blizzard will listen to us and these 2 expansions that are soon to come for STAR2 will make it a worthy sucessor.
:-)
lets try to keep the optimism, thats how big things are done!!
they come and destroy everything we loved
SoniC_eu
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1008 Posts
May 11 2012 22:35 GMT
#610
On May 12 2012 07:23 Belha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 06:58 JimmiC wrote:
I heard Bisu will go Terran.

WELCOME TO HELL :D


The hell of winning more tournies then any other race. Even in 2012 after all the "unfair" nerfs

Dream Hack won by Terran
MLG spring arena won by Zerg
Ironsquid won by Terran
MLG winter 2012 won by Terran
IPL 4 won by Terran
IEM Season VI Protoss
GSL season 1 Terran
Assembly 2012 Terran
IEM Sao Paulo Zerg
IEM Kiev Terran
Homestory IV Protoss
AOL King Of Kongs Zerg



Classic: post with real arguments ignored by terrans.



I've posted this in other thread infested by terran tears:

Protoss struggling vs Z post 8 min eco/macro/production, this:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=320894

Terrans struggling vs late game protoss capabilities, this:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334748


I'm pretty sure there is some personality stuff bounded with every race...


Nice way to start a small war lol! Terrans are doing well yes. I don't deny that? But is it the small pool of players who are simply fantastic or is it the race? Do we have enough understanding to actually know which case it is? I don't know...I do know however that Flash makes very succinct and interesting observations about sc2. Is it true? Well time will tell...I certainly believe he deserves some respect and if ppl don't like pros voicing their opinions. Well then maybe consider that all pro gamers have opinions on balance and that it's impossible to avoid that.
In order to succeed, your desire for success should be greater than your fear of failure. http://da.twitch.tv/sonic_eu
noamuk
Profile Joined November 2011
13 Posts
May 11 2012 22:35 GMT
#611
if gold terran can complain about balance surely a high master terran as smart as flash can..
from his eyes the game is new and he says what he's first impressions are, thats the most honest opinion
Jimbo77
Profile Joined March 2011
139 Posts
May 11 2012 22:35 GMT
#612
Since blizard don't give a f**k about normal balance and listening to the community as well, but instead only does things none could explain what for (like observer btime decreasing), the only solution is to conduct big tournaments on custom maps.
Since ghost snipe can't even kill a zling it's obvious that count of adequate people in that company hit zero.
We have already been conducting little tournaments between small amount of people(10-15) in our city and it's amazing to see BC and Carriers battles in almost every matchup. It's amazing to see a mech play in TvP, as it was in BW.
I think this is what Flash was talking about, concerning balance.

Changing the race is the answer, yes. Welcome to the mirror-only GSL!
INTOtheVOID
Profile Joined January 2012
United States225 Posts
May 11 2012 22:36 GMT
#613
The Protoss whining in this thread is hilarious.
Pink Floyd's music is like a beautiful girl walking down the street who won't talk to you.
rEalGuapo
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany832 Posts
May 11 2012 22:36 GMT
#614
On May 12 2012 07:35 SoniC_eu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 07:23 Belha wrote:
On May 12 2012 06:58 JimmiC wrote:
I heard Bisu will go Terran.

WELCOME TO HELL :D


The hell of winning more tournies then any other race. Even in 2012 after all the "unfair" nerfs

Dream Hack won by Terran
MLG spring arena won by Zerg
Ironsquid won by Terran
MLG winter 2012 won by Terran
IPL 4 won by Terran
IEM Season VI Protoss
GSL season 1 Terran
Assembly 2012 Terran
IEM Sao Paulo Zerg
IEM Kiev Terran
Homestory IV Protoss
AOL King Of Kongs Zerg



Classic: post with real arguments ignored by terrans.



I've posted this in other thread infested by terran tears:

Protoss struggling vs Z post 8 min eco/macro/production, this:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=320894

Terrans struggling vs late game protoss capabilities, this:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334748


I'm pretty sure there is some personality stuff bounded with every race...


Nice way to start a small war lol! Terrans are doing well yes. I don't deny that? But is it the small pool of players who are simply fantastic or is it the race? Do we have enough understanding to actually know which case it is? I don't know...I do know however that Flash makes very succinct and interesting observations about sc2. Is it true? Well time will tell...I certainly believe he deserves some respect and if ppl don't like pros voicing their opinions. Well then maybe consider that all pro gamers have opinions on balance and that it's impossible to avoid that.



Well that small pool is 20 people? Remember, not long ago, those GSLs that were like 117% Terran?
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
May 11 2012 22:36 GMT
#615
On May 12 2012 07:30 Macheji wrote:
Show nested quote +
What the fucking fuck?!? 5 days, rank 11? Rank 11 Masters in Korea is like... top 5 GM in Europe and 1v2 GMs in NA, no?!]

@Xpace... No, rank 11 master in K is not top 5 Gm rank in Europe. Nightend ( protoss ) the romanian protoss that is a top 50 GM got to Korea and got into GM in less then 2 weeks. Deathangel ( zerg ), another romanian, got into K Gm in almost the same ammount of time . Also Deathangel had a forum blog post in wich he said that about 2 weeks after he got in the pro-house he was beating most of the K masters there.


No. Some people don't realize that gm is fked up. Sice long time ago, every season some random people among the top XXX of every region goes to Gm. And besides those 200, there are always like 50 more people worth of GM (i remember a seen hero in k-master, squirtle in master, or minigun in na master, to name a few)

But in Korea that's even worse. Cose instead of 50, there are like other 200 worth of Gm.
Chicken gank op
Ktk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)753 Posts
May 11 2012 22:39 GMT
#616
On May 12 2012 07:30 Macheji wrote:
Show nested quote +
What the fucking fuck?!? 5 days, rank 11? Rank 11 Masters in Korea is like... top 5 GM in Europe and 1v2 GMs in NA, no?!]

@Xpace... No, rank 11 master in K is not top 5 Gm rank in Europe. Nightend ( protoss ) the romanian protoss that is a top 50 GM got to Korea and got into GM in less then 2 weeks. Deathangel ( zerg ), another romanian, got into K Gm in almost the same ammount of time . Also Deathangel had a forum blog post in wich he said that about 2 weeks after he got in the pro-house he was beating most of the K masters there.


GM is a silly measurement since it's whether or not you're laddering at the time, not whether your MMR is good enough for most players. There are lots of people in the MMR range (hence why people get matched up with each other so often between masters and gm) and there are lots of people who could potentially be in GM but aren't because there is a person cap at 200 instead of an MMR cap of xxxx like there are with all the other leagues.

---

Love this. I don't expect much from Flash in the first few seasons of Starcraft 1.5 Proleague but hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised.

+ Show Spoiler +

Flash: "WG/FF OP"
Counter: "Protoss aren't doing well enough at the highest levels"
KareKano
Profile Joined May 2012
16 Posts
May 11 2012 22:39 GMT
#617
On May 12 2012 07:35 Jimbo77 wrote:
Since blizard don't give a f**k about normal balance and listening to the community as well, but instead only does things none could explain what for (like observer btime decreasing), the only solution is to conduct big tournaments on custom maps.
Since ghost snipe can't even kill a zling it's obvious that count of adequate people in that company hit zero.
We have already been conducting little tournaments between small amount of people(10-15) in our city and it's amazing to see BC and Carriers battles in almost every matchup. It's amazing to see a mech play in TvP, as it was in BW.
I think this is what Flash was talking about, concerning balance.

Changing the race is the answer, yes. Welcome to the mirror-only GSL!


calm down pal, it is true that strange things happened in star2 last seasons, zerg struggled from weak vP to a more balanced one, Terran went a bit down on the road but things wont be like this forever, Blizzard is a company and starcraft 2 is its product, we the consumers, that is the view of the thing. It is likely that as soon as numbers start to drop for terran, Blizz will act!
they come and destroy everything we loved
takingbackoj
Profile Joined December 2010
United States684 Posts
May 11 2012 22:39 GMT
#618
On May 12 2012 07:32 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 07:07 takingbackoj wrote:
On May 12 2012 07:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On May 12 2012 06:59 SoniC_eu wrote:
On May 12 2012 06:55 Youtakenocandle wrote:
I never followed sc1 and don't know much about Flash, but balance whining as a supposed sc1 legend is pretty lame.

Flash was sharing his current opnion (which could change in the future mind you). He understands RTS games like no one else, so I find your comment rather interesting.


Wrong. He understands SC:BW like no one else. I'd bet you everything I had that he knows jack-all about C&C, Age of Empires, or even WC3.

To say he understands BW, so he automatically knows more than Code S players is complete bull.

Artosis has admitted on SotG that some code S players have no understanding of the game at all. And also I don't see any quote mentioning he thought Flash knew more than any code S player.

He said Flash "understands RTS games like no one else". There's one, and only one, game that Flash can claim to have the highest knowledge of, and it certainly isn't SC2.

RTS isn't a game, it's a genre. Your argument is like saying Alfred Hitchcok didn't have the best understanding of psychological thrillers during his time because he didn't direct them all.
Get the hell outta here Der Beek, your'e ruining my moment.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
May 11 2012 22:40 GMT
#619
Lol Marauder Haters got owned hard.

Pretty interesting interview too bad people will only focus on the balance crap.

Dunno why KESPA decided to do this split format, every player seems to be against it
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Sajaki
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada1135 Posts
May 11 2012 22:41 GMT
#620
Damn the interviewer should of asked him when will he start streaming = ___ =;;
Inno pls...
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