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HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
May 11 2012 20:23 GMT
#361
There's one thing I have to say about people who are going, "Lol, Flash thinks Protoss is OP, it must be true".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
schubbidu
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany26 Posts
May 11 2012 20:23 GMT
#362
On May 12 2012 04:35 Yorbon wrote:
Weird Flash is saying he's a noob and then saying protoss imba...

Flash is obviously not a noob, but to say things about balance this early...
Almost disappointing ):


I think it is because Forcefields are an "absolute" ability. One click - it is there and it stays there. Just like fungal growth holding in place rather than slowing. That is a pretty frustrating gameplay element for zour opponent and Blizzard should know better. The Paladin's bubble in WoW didn't have a counter either at first and there was so much complaining.
InoyouS2
Profile Joined December 2011
1005 Posts
May 11 2012 20:25 GMT
#363
On May 12 2012 05:17 rEalGuapo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 05:13 ][Primarch][ wrote:
On May 12 2012 05:09 rEalGuapo wrote:
On May 12 2012 05:08 ][Primarch][ wrote:
On May 12 2012 05:01 rEalGuapo wrote:
On May 12 2012 04:52 D_K_night wrote:
On May 12 2012 03:26 Kreb wrote:
That just degraded him about 5 levels in my book. Claims hes a noob and still complains about balance like that. Jesus didnt he learn anything about professionalism through all years of BW?


disagree, i feel you are looking for reasons to hate. when he says he's noob, he is being very mannered and humble as hell. he has his right to make balance complaints, because he's already qualified his position in the game.



Well, he says that he is "learning the game" and I am 100% sure that this is accurate, in fact we all are still learning the game even DRG or MVP.
The game is not at all explored and still people complain about Forcefields.

Well guess what, in PvP Archons are becoming very popular because they can break Forcefields.
Now ofcourse using a Thor to break Forcefields would be somewhat micro intensive and it is way more easy to whine and say the race that does by far worst in the professional scene has to be the OP race.

And Forcefields early in the game?
Well, they rely on you messing up your micro/positioning and Protoss very often depends on hitting that one Forcefield in a split second or they are simply dead.

So thank you Flash for finally killing my fanboyism that has built up over the last 8 months or so.
Can concentrate on fanboying HuK and MMA now.


MMA who has been complaing about protoss more than most? You should probably not fanboy him either then?


He plays so incredibly well I don't care what he says, I watched games of him and he did things no other player in the world would ever care to do, just to get slight advantages and he is awesome, also I haven't heard him complain : )

when he played at IEM in kiev he spoke out against protoss pretty big in an interview and srsly have you seen how his marine-marauder just die to protoss over and over again? The guy can go marine-marauder like a God against terran mech but vs The Protoss LoLball he just rolls over and dies.



well maybe Marine Marauder isn't the right way then? : )

Its like saying "Wow I can't beat Blinkstalker Colossi Sentry Chargelot Immortal with my Zergling Roach force, Protoss is SOOOOOOOOO imbalanced"

Guess what, you got Thors Tanks Helions Ghosts and Banshees, I feel that the right mixture of this is incredibly hard to deal with. (Haven't played a lot against it since people think Marine Marauder should do the trick after 30 minutes.)


Every top Sc2 progamer in the world goes bio against Protoss unless they are all-ining, and that's the point, you can't do anything except MMM without it not being cost efficient.

Also the people complaining for the most part are not trying to make the match up easier for them, and a hell of a lot of them don't even play, but the problem is that the match up is BORING, it's not exciting at all, and the most excitement you'll see in a TvP is watching PartinG storm a bioball or Marineking kite a bioball across the map to his base.

There is no variation, and Blizzard need to fix that, it's a horrible match-up to watch at the moment, and actually I'd go so far as to say I prefer seeing PvP over TvP, just because you can see different tech paths from both races without one being so incredibly better than the other. At the moment, Terran > Protoss in the early game, and Protoss > Terran in the late game, and that's it...

IMMvp|fOrGG|IMNesTea|oGsMC|Liquid`Hero|DongRaeGu|Slayers_MMA|Liquid`TLO|MarineKingPrime|IMSeed
Jetaap
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France4814 Posts
May 11 2012 20:25 GMT
#364
What play do you prefer in SC2?
I really like Marauders and Marines. I think their micro fits my style.

Take that Artosis!
glaresc
Profile Joined April 2012
31 Posts
May 11 2012 20:25 GMT
#365
yep , if Flash thinks that Protoss is op then who are we to argue
he's one of the best gamers in the world and best starcraft player of all time
Xidious
Profile Joined October 2011
United States29 Posts
May 11 2012 20:26 GMT
#366
On May 12 2012 02:21 bonifaceviii wrote:
You can chill at my condo in Canada, Flash. The wife won't mind.


Flash, don't go to this "condo" we will never see or hear from you again o.o.
firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 20:28:09
May 11 2012 20:27 GMT
#367
On May 12 2012 02:21 bonifaceviii wrote:
You can chill at my condo in Canada, Flash. The wife won't mind.

You can chill at mine flash, the wife will 100% mind but ill kick her out!

EDIT: After being so happy reading the thoughts and aspirations of flash I am utterly disgusted at the #$%^fest balance discussion this has turned into. Really disappointed TL.
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vndods
Profile Joined October 2011
United States3743 Posts
May 11 2012 20:27 GMT
#368
God thinks Protoss and Zerg is OP
DemigodcelpH
Profile Joined August 2011
1138 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 20:28:48
May 11 2012 20:28 GMT
#369
OP you are in no place to tell us to not take a bwonja's analysis on balance seriously. Please don't disrespect flash.
CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
May 11 2012 20:28 GMT
#370
haha.. awesome.. tyty.
~ The Ultimate Weapon
Tufas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
May 11 2012 20:28 GMT
#371
On May 12 2012 05:27 firehand101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 02:21 bonifaceviii wrote:
You can chill at my condo in Canada, Flash. The wife won't mind.

You can chill at mine flash, the wife will 100% mind but ill kick her out!


I have an apartment and no wife ! Hell, I give you keys !

And all the SCBW and SC2 drama aside .. if it means that we will have more interviews of Flash, I am all for it.
Where is my ACE flair
Rorix
Profile Joined December 2010
357 Posts
May 11 2012 20:29 GMT
#372
Dont care what he (Flash) says about balance. Flash IS playing SC2! Great interview! :D
roflstomper
Gaanzi
Profile Joined May 2012
United Kingdom2 Posts
May 11 2012 20:30 GMT
#373
On May 12 2012 05:28 DemigodcelpH wrote:
OP you are in no place to tell us to not take a bwonja's analysis on balance seriously. Please don't disrespect flash.


The guy admitted himself that he's a total noob at the game, don't be crass. Also what's the point for bolding your text, emphasizing your rather dumb point just makes it look even worse.
SeinGalton
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
South Africa387 Posts
May 11 2012 20:30 GMT
#374
Holy shit it's Flash...

Everytime I read an interview with this kid, I fall further in love with him. Such a winning mentality, so smart. Even like super-optimistic about HoTS. I cannot wait to see him hit his stride in this game, and I'm so glad he's enjoying it.

They're coming to get you, Barbara.
rEalGuapo
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany832 Posts
May 11 2012 20:31 GMT
#375
Here is why I don't understand people say Protoss is imbalanced:


If you have incredibly good control, Protoss should not be able to place forcefields / Storms unless the Templars/Sentries were in a Warpprism (EMP has more range than Templar spells and Forcefields if you use the AEO completely)

Yes that does not apply to lower leagues and I honestly do no know if Protoss is way easier to play than terran or zerg at low levels, I also don't care.

But if you are the amongst the top players and say you play better than your opponnent I think you should outmicro him, leading to - No Storms.

Then I hear people like Demuslim complain about how expensive Vikings are compared to Colossi.

He said that getting 8 Vikings vs 2 Colossi is just such a big investment that cuts into the rest of your army.
8 Vikings = 600 Gas.
2 Colossi with Range = 800 Gas.
Yeah way less expensive than Colossi.

Also, I think the real problem is that there are very few Protoss players that compare about balance, but some players from other races build their entire career on that.

See IdrA, see Demuslim.

Yes, if you use one Fungal Growth against a Protoss army and move all of your 8 Infestors right into them, they all die and you lose. That however should not lead to imba-whining.


I win a lot vs Terrans, but I always lose to the ones that are willing to stutterstep through the entire map just to avoid Forcefields and Storms. But I guess that is way too much to expect from paid professionals.


Since I always get personally offended if someone says Protoss is the strongest race, because Hydras are so incredibly slow off creep that they get useless.
WELL GUESS WHAT, they have the same movespeed off creeps as Zealots.

In conclusion:
Fuck this, I'm going to smoke now.
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
May 11 2012 20:31 GMT
#376
Nice that Flash confirmes it but as lastshadow said the stronger indication of imbalance is Mvps playstyle...
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
Clefairy
Profile Joined September 2011
1570 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 20:33:05
May 11 2012 20:31 GMT
#377
On May 12 2012 05:28 DemigodcelpH wrote:
OP you are in no place to tell us to not take a bwonja's analysis on balance seriously. Please don't disrespect flash.

You are absolutely right. I've taken it out since I shouldn't be acting like a mod anyway. I hope Flash forgives me.
CPTBadAss
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States594 Posts
May 11 2012 20:32 GMT
#378
Flash is so handsome. Also, I like how he doesn't think he can take Code A yet. It's pretty awesome to get a different perspective. Thanks for the interview/translation.
I'll keep on struggling, 'cause that's the measure of a man | "That was the plan: To give him some hope, and then crush him" -Stephano
morlakaix
Profile Joined February 2011
United States860 Posts
May 11 2012 20:34 GMT
#379
On May 12 2012 05:23 HolyArrow wrote:
There's one thing I have to say about people who are going, "Lol, Flash thinks Protoss is OP, it must be true".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias



Don't go on reddit.

for the love of god don't go on reddit

Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
May 11 2012 20:34 GMT
#380
A lot of fans are anticipating Flash's excellent Medivac multitasking.
It's a basic play that anyone can do so that's not much of a problem. What's more important is making a situation where that ends up working. I haven't been able to do that yet.


No more customary, "oh well,i hit 60 food, better drop somewhere, lets pick a random side, here".
Flash is gonna brandish dat decision making to the fullest.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
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