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On May 12 2012 05:07 Chaggi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 05:06 Valikyr wrote:On May 12 2012 05:03 DemigodcelpH wrote:Interview with Flash wrote:
What are some difficulties for you?
I think there's a problem with the balance. Protoss is overpowered so I hope they balance it out. Looks like Protoss players can't make excuses anymore or put up smoke screens like "learn to use battlecruisers". Ahhh denial can only last so long.  While I am a flash fanboi forever you can't seriously take balance complaints seriously from someone who only played the game for a few weeks or even less. who's high masters in korea which means more than 99% of people posting here
This. Protoss players find whatever excuses they can to keep denying it because it hurts their ego, but even God (flash) who is better than 99% the players on TL has now declared it (PvT is heavily toss favored) on an interview.
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Wow...it is just weird, in a good way though. Being an SC2 fan from the start I was not sure that this day would ever come...but reading this interview finally sinks it all in. Fuck yeah.
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On May 12 2012 04:59 Tippecanoe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 04:56 rEalGuapo wrote:
I lost so much respect for Flash just by reading this interview.
"I am a total noob"
"I think Protoss is OP"
Either you are a total noob and you should not at all comment on balance, or you are a good player and are just full of shit because the race that does best in tournaments, gets the least buffs because it is stronger than others is the race you chose and suddenly it has to be the worst race.
Congratz.
EG whines enough about imbalance for the rest of the pro players, so they can please stop. Hes obviously being humble when he says hes a total noob hes high masters in korea. The reason terran does the best in touraments is because of the caliber of players that play the race it has nothing to do with balance. Name a protoss with micro on par or better than MKP's or macro better than mvp's before his wrist injury. I hate people that think just because a race wins a lot its a balance issue. If you are winning vs people of lesser skill a lot it doesnt mean the race you play is imbalanced.
PartinG, HuK, Naniwa
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On May 12 2012 05:14 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 04:59 Tippecanoe wrote:On May 12 2012 04:56 rEalGuapo wrote:
I lost so much respect for Flash just by reading this interview.
"I am a total noob"
"I think Protoss is OP"
Either you are a total noob and you should not at all comment on balance, or you are a good player and are just full of shit because the race that does best in tournaments, gets the least buffs because it is stronger than others is the race you chose and suddenly it has to be the worst race.
Congratz.
EG whines enough about imbalance for the rest of the pro players, so they can please stop. Hes obviously being humble when he says hes a total noob hes high masters in korea. The reason terran does the best in touraments is because of the caliber of players that play the race it has nothing to do with balance. Name a protoss with micro on par or better than MKP's or macro better than mvp's before his wrist injury. I hate people that think just because a race wins a lot its a balance issue. If you are winning vs people of lesser skill a lot it doesnt mean the race you play is imbalanced. PartinG, HuK, Naniwa
Huk? seriously??
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On May 12 2012 05:13 ][Primarch][ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 05:09 rEalGuapo wrote:On May 12 2012 05:08 ][Primarch][ wrote:On May 12 2012 05:01 rEalGuapo wrote:On May 12 2012 04:52 D_K_night wrote:On May 12 2012 03:26 Kreb wrote:
That just degraded him about 5 levels in my book. Claims hes a noob and still complains about balance like that. Jesus didnt he learn anything about professionalism through all years of BW? disagree, i feel you are looking for reasons to hate. when he says he's noob, he is being very mannered and humble as hell. he has his right to make balance complaints, because he's already qualified his position in the game. Well, he says that he is "learning the game" and I am 100% sure that this is accurate, in fact we all are still learning the game even DRG or MVP. The game is not at all explored and still people complain about Forcefields. Well guess what, in PvP Archons are becoming very popular because they can break Forcefields. Now ofcourse using a Thor to break Forcefields would be somewhat micro intensive and it is way more easy to whine and say the race that does by far worst in the professional scene has to be the OP race. And Forcefields early in the game? Well, they rely on you messing up your micro/positioning and Protoss very often depends on hitting that one Forcefield in a split second or they are simply dead. So thank you Flash for finally killing my fanboyism that has built up over the last 8 months or so. Can concentrate on fanboying HuK and MMA now. MMA who has been complaing about protoss more than most? You should probably not fanboy him either then? He plays so incredibly well I don't care what he says, I watched games of him and he did things no other player in the world would ever care to do, just to get slight advantages and he is awesome, also I haven't heard him complain : ) when he played at IEM in kiev he spoke out against protoss pretty big in an interview and srsly have you seen how his marine-marauder just die to protoss over and over again? The guy can go marine-marauder like a God against terran mech but vs The Protoss LoLball he just rolls over and dies.
well maybe Marine Marauder isn't the right way then? : )
Its like saying "Wow I can't beat Blinkstalker Colossi Sentry Chargelot Immortal with my Zergling Roach force, Protoss is SOOOOOOOOO imbalanced"
Guess what, you got Thors Tanks Helions Ghosts and Banshees, I feel that the right mixture of this is incredibly hard to deal with. (Haven't played a lot against it since people think Marine Marauder should do the trick after 30 minutes.)
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On May 12 2012 05:14 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 04:59 Tippecanoe wrote:On May 12 2012 04:56 rEalGuapo wrote:
I lost so much respect for Flash just by reading this interview.
"I am a total noob"
"I think Protoss is OP"
Either you are a total noob and you should not at all comment on balance, or you are a good player and are just full of shit because the race that does best in tournaments, gets the least buffs because it is stronger than others is the race you chose and suddenly it has to be the worst race.
Congratz.
EG whines enough about imbalance for the rest of the pro players, so they can please stop. Hes obviously being humble when he says hes a total noob hes high masters in korea. The reason terran does the best in touraments is because of the caliber of players that play the race it has nothing to do with balance. Name a protoss with micro on par or better than MKP's or macro better than mvp's before his wrist injury. I hate people that think just because a race wins a lot its a balance issue. If you are winning vs people of lesser skill a lot it doesnt mean the race you play is imbalanced. PartinG, HuK, Naniwa
no you see, it's a trick question
1a isn't micro
(and you could argue PartinG has just as good micro, HuK and Naniwa don't really even compare to MKP's)
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He'll probably call himself 'ok' when he is able to kill MC in a macro game.
Using only SCV's.
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On May 12 2012 05:14 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 04:59 Tippecanoe wrote:On May 12 2012 04:56 rEalGuapo wrote:
I lost so much respect for Flash just by reading this interview.
"I am a total noob"
"I think Protoss is OP"
Either you are a total noob and you should not at all comment on balance, or you are a good player and are just full of shit because the race that does best in tournaments, gets the least buffs because it is stronger than others is the race you chose and suddenly it has to be the worst race.
Congratz.
EG whines enough about imbalance for the rest of the pro players, so they can please stop. Hes obviously being humble when he says hes a total noob hes high masters in korea. The reason terran does the best in touraments is because of the caliber of players that play the race it has nothing to do with balance. Name a protoss with micro on par or better than MKP's or macro better than mvp's before his wrist injury. I hate people that think just because a race wins a lot its a balance issue. If you are winning vs people of lesser skill a lot it doesnt mean the race you play is imbalanced. PartinG, HuK, Naniwa
Ret, Sheth, Destiny
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On May 12 2012 05:14 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 04:59 Tippecanoe wrote:On May 12 2012 04:56 rEalGuapo wrote:
I lost so much respect for Flash just by reading this interview.
"I am a total noob"
"I think Protoss is OP"
Either you are a total noob and you should not at all comment on balance, or you are a good player and are just full of shit because the race that does best in tournaments, gets the least buffs because it is stronger than others is the race you chose and suddenly it has to be the worst race.
Congratz.
EG whines enough about imbalance for the rest of the pro players, so they can please stop. Hes obviously being humble when he says hes a total noob hes high masters in korea. The reason terran does the best in touraments is because of the caliber of players that play the race it has nothing to do with balance. Name a protoss with micro on par or better than MKP's or macro better than mvp's before his wrist injury. I hate people that think just because a race wins a lot its a balance issue. If you are winning vs people of lesser skill a lot it doesnt mean the race you play is imbalanced. PartinG, HuK, Naniwa
parting doesnt have better micro, he storms and even misses FF when they are crucial. Huk hasn't done anything amazing in a while. And Naniwa couldnt even hold a scouted 11/11 from mvp. No protoss has better micro then mkp. He splits, kites, emps, and does beautiful target fire with his tanks.
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On May 12 2012 05:17 rEalGuapo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 05:13 ][Primarch][ wrote:On May 12 2012 05:09 rEalGuapo wrote:On May 12 2012 05:08 ][Primarch][ wrote:On May 12 2012 05:01 rEalGuapo wrote:On May 12 2012 04:52 D_K_night wrote:On May 12 2012 03:26 Kreb wrote:
That just degraded him about 5 levels in my book. Claims hes a noob and still complains about balance like that. Jesus didnt he learn anything about professionalism through all years of BW? disagree, i feel you are looking for reasons to hate. when he says he's noob, he is being very mannered and humble as hell. he has his right to make balance complaints, because he's already qualified his position in the game. Well, he says that he is "learning the game" and I am 100% sure that this is accurate, in fact we all are still learning the game even DRG or MVP. The game is not at all explored and still people complain about Forcefields. Well guess what, in PvP Archons are becoming very popular because they can break Forcefields. Now ofcourse using a Thor to break Forcefields would be somewhat micro intensive and it is way more easy to whine and say the race that does by far worst in the professional scene has to be the OP race. And Forcefields early in the game? Well, they rely on you messing up your micro/positioning and Protoss very often depends on hitting that one Forcefield in a split second or they are simply dead. So thank you Flash for finally killing my fanboyism that has built up over the last 8 months or so. Can concentrate on fanboying HuK and MMA now. MMA who has been complaing about protoss more than most? You should probably not fanboy him either then? He plays so incredibly well I don't care what he says, I watched games of him and he did things no other player in the world would ever care to do, just to get slight advantages and he is awesome, also I haven't heard him complain : ) when he played at IEM in kiev he spoke out against protoss pretty big in an interview and srsly have you seen how his marine-marauder just die to protoss over and over again? The guy can go marine-marauder like a God against terran mech but vs The Protoss LoLball he just rolls over and dies. well maybe Marine Marauder isn't the right way then? : ) Its like saying "Wow I can't beat Blinkstalker Colossi Sentry Chargelot Immortal with my Zergling Roach force, Protoss is SOOOOOOOOO imbalanced" Guess what, you got Thors Tanks Helions Ghosts and Banshees, I feel that the right mixture of this is incredibly hard to deal with. (Haven't played a lot against it since people think Marine Marauder should do the trick after 30 minutes.)
maybe it's cause you have 2 units that completely counter the composition, and 1 is already made once you're on 3 bases.
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So much pressure on FlaSh.
Even as a noob in SC2 people expect him to win, win, win.
I hope he does well, but it will be very hard to meet the expectations.
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On May 12 2012 04:59 Tippecanoe wrote:
Hes obviously being humble when he says hes a total noob hes high masters in korea. The reason terran does the best in touraments is because of the caliber of players that play the race it has nothing to do with balance.
Name a protoss with micro on par or better than MKP's or macro better than mvp's before his wrist injury.
I hate people that think just because a race wins a lot its a balance issue. If you are winning vs people of lesser skill a lot it doesnt mean the race you play is imbalanced.
What? You realize that makes absolutely no sense right. If Protoss were OP that means that players of lesser skill would be beating the Terran in high level tournaments simply because.... wait for it..... Protoss is OP. The facts show that they are not. Terran has WAY more GSL wins than any other race and Protoss has only just recently been showing some strength. A race winning more often in one season or another does not mean it is OP, but a race that has consistently won season after season after season over thousands of games does show that Terran mechanics are strong.
The game is adjusting.
On May 12 2012 04:59 Thylacine wrote:
Flash said Protoss is overpowered and Terran is the weakest. Yeah. FLASH. Please dont telling us to get better and stop whining now, please.
Get better, stop whining.
Flash always has my respect, but loses some credibility in my eyes when he essentially says Terran have the weakest all-ins of the three races. Nothing shows that to be true. If you think about it Flash is just being smart. If Terran gets buffed it only helps him out. When the meta-game balances out and Flash gets better he will understand more about the game and how to take advantage of Protoss weaknesses.
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On May 12 2012 05:18 radiantshadow92 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 05:14 Cyro wrote:On May 12 2012 04:59 Tippecanoe wrote:On May 12 2012 04:56 rEalGuapo wrote:
I lost so much respect for Flash just by reading this interview.
"I am a total noob"
"I think Protoss is OP"
Either you are a total noob and you should not at all comment on balance, or you are a good player and are just full of shit because the race that does best in tournaments, gets the least buffs because it is stronger than others is the race you chose and suddenly it has to be the worst race.
Congratz.
EG whines enough about imbalance for the rest of the pro players, so they can please stop. Hes obviously being humble when he says hes a total noob hes high masters in korea. The reason terran does the best in touraments is because of the caliber of players that play the race it has nothing to do with balance. Name a protoss with micro on par or better than MKP's or macro better than mvp's before his wrist injury. I hate people that think just because a race wins a lot its a balance issue. If you are winning vs people of lesser skill a lot it doesnt mean the race you play is imbalanced. PartinG, HuK, Naniwa parting doesnt have better micro, he storms and even misses FF when they are crucial. Huk hasn't done anything amazing in a while. And Naniwa couldnt even hold a scouted 11/11 from mvp. No protoss has better micro then mkp. He splits, kites, emps, and does beautiful target fire with his tanks.
but parting's storm flanks are a thing of beauty
every terran player has to respect that
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well I guess Protoss is overpowered
Damn
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On May 12 2012 05:18 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 05:14 Cyro wrote:On May 12 2012 04:59 Tippecanoe wrote:On May 12 2012 04:56 rEalGuapo wrote:
I lost so much respect for Flash just by reading this interview.
"I am a total noob"
"I think Protoss is OP"
Either you are a total noob and you should not at all comment on balance, or you are a good player and are just full of shit because the race that does best in tournaments, gets the least buffs because it is stronger than others is the race you chose and suddenly it has to be the worst race.
Congratz.
EG whines enough about imbalance for the rest of the pro players, so they can please stop. Hes obviously being humble when he says hes a total noob hes high masters in korea. The reason terran does the best in touraments is because of the caliber of players that play the race it has nothing to do with balance. Name a protoss with micro on par or better than MKP's or macro better than mvp's before his wrist injury. I hate people that think just because a race wins a lot its a balance issue. If you are winning vs people of lesser skill a lot it doesnt mean the race you play is imbalanced. PartinG, HuK, Naniwa Ret, Sheth, Destiny
Destiny shouldn't ever be mentioned in any discussion of top level level competitive play.
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Wow, that interview! Can we have link to korean or original version
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On May 12 2012 05:18 radiantshadow92 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 05:14 Cyro wrote:On May 12 2012 04:59 Tippecanoe wrote:On May 12 2012 04:56 rEalGuapo wrote:
I lost so much respect for Flash just by reading this interview.
"I am a total noob"
"I think Protoss is OP"
Either you are a total noob and you should not at all comment on balance, or you are a good player and are just full of shit because the race that does best in tournaments, gets the least buffs because it is stronger than others is the race you chose and suddenly it has to be the worst race.
Congratz.
EG whines enough about imbalance for the rest of the pro players, so they can please stop. Hes obviously being humble when he says hes a total noob hes high masters in korea. The reason terran does the best in touraments is because of the caliber of players that play the race it has nothing to do with balance. Name a protoss with micro on par or better than MKP's or macro better than mvp's before his wrist injury. I hate people that think just because a race wins a lot its a balance issue. If you are winning vs people of lesser skill a lot it doesnt mean the race you play is imbalanced. PartinG, HuK, Naniwa parting doesnt have better micro, he storms and even misses FF when they are crucial. Huk hasn't done anything amazing in a while. And Naniwa couldnt even hold a scouted 11/11 from mvp. No protoss has better micro then mkp. He splits, kites, emps, and does beautiful target fire with his tanks.
I don't want to compare e-peens here, but there are plenty of Protoss players (like Parting) who can micro at the same level as MKP. What, have you never seen MKP mess up a Marine split or something?
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When God says Toss is op....
Awesome interview though.
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On May 12 2012 05:17 rEalGuapo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 05:13 ][Primarch][ wrote:On May 12 2012 05:09 rEalGuapo wrote:On May 12 2012 05:08 ][Primarch][ wrote:On May 12 2012 05:01 rEalGuapo wrote:On May 12 2012 04:52 D_K_night wrote:On May 12 2012 03:26 Kreb wrote:
That just degraded him about 5 levels in my book. Claims hes a noob and still complains about balance like that. Jesus didnt he learn anything about professionalism through all years of BW? disagree, i feel you are looking for reasons to hate. when he says he's noob, he is being very mannered and humble as hell. he has his right to make balance complaints, because he's already qualified his position in the game. Well, he says that he is "learning the game" and I am 100% sure that this is accurate, in fact we all are still learning the game even DRG or MVP. The game is not at all explored and still people complain about Forcefields. Well guess what, in PvP Archons are becoming very popular because they can break Forcefields. Now ofcourse using a Thor to break Forcefields would be somewhat micro intensive and it is way more easy to whine and say the race that does by far worst in the professional scene has to be the OP race. And Forcefields early in the game? Well, they rely on you messing up your micro/positioning and Protoss very often depends on hitting that one Forcefield in a split second or they are simply dead. So thank you Flash for finally killing my fanboyism that has built up over the last 8 months or so. Can concentrate on fanboying HuK and MMA now. MMA who has been complaing about protoss more than most? You should probably not fanboy him either then? He plays so incredibly well I don't care what he says, I watched games of him and he did things no other player in the world would ever care to do, just to get slight advantages and he is awesome, also I haven't heard him complain : ) when he played at IEM in kiev he spoke out against protoss pretty big in an interview and srsly have you seen how his marine-marauder just die to protoss over and over again? The guy can go marine-marauder like a God against terran mech but vs The Protoss LoLball he just rolls over and dies. well maybe Marine Marauder isn't the right way then? : ) Its like saying "Wow I can't beat Blinkstalker Colossi Sentry Chargelot Immortal with my Zergling Roach force, Protoss is SOOOOOOOOO imbalanced" Guess what, you got Thors Tanks Helions Ghosts and Banshees, I feel that the right mixture of this is incredibly hard to deal with. (Haven't played a lot against it since people think Marine Marauder should do the trick after 30 minutes.)
Hey wtf don't tell this to me I go mech into BC-Raven-Ghost or just straight up Sky-Terran Mass Banshee into BC-Raven-Ghost and have a 75% win ratio in TvP on Korea and win every late game very easily, tell it to the Pro-Terrans, there is probably something they missed when exploring TvP cause all of them go MMMGV like noobs.
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