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HorsemasterK
United States606 Posts
On May 08 2012 07:32 QuanticCinergy wrote: OK, you guys win! Take all our players, take all our funding, we'll just go away and do something else, alright? Are we happy now? Good. Wow. My opinion of Quantic had risen over these past few days with the addition of the Vile players and the overdue removal of Destiny, but clearly I was wrong. | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
Are you for racism? Speak out for it. Are you apathetic to the plights of others? Don't say anything. How is this hard? | ||
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Noobity
United States871 Posts
On May 08 2012 07:48 BoxingKangaroo wrote: Like it or not, you took a big risk taking Destiny on. It bit you in the arse. That's correct, they did. But why are we punishing these guys for it? Random CS rep reads "omfg you guys sponsor destiny, he's racist, I'm never buying your stuff again!!!" and shows it to his manager. His manager researches the issue a bit, finds out that destiny is on team Quantic. He submits a report to his manager stating "We're receiving complaints about a player on team Quantic, aparently he's racist and we're losing customers". His manager researches the issue a bit more, finds that in this case the player is a SC2 pro. He then submits a report to his manager (possibly a much higher exec) stating "We're receiving complaints regarding our sponsorships of the eSports division. We're receiving threats about losing customers due to the racism of one of the players on team Quantic." and then that executive starts giving everyone under him in the divisions that are affected by the issue shit, and reconsider their sponsorships. The point is that executives that make decisions on things aren't necessarily going to look at the entire issue. They're going to look at the bigger picture and make blanket decisions. Hell if this all comes back to liquid's forum do you really think that's not going to turn heads? I give up, guys. If you want to keep taking the most extreme route possible when dishing out your form of justice, go for it. I apologize in advance to those who's livelihoods you ruin. I hope the scene survives. | ||
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YourGoodFriend
United States2197 Posts
On May 08 2012 07:32 QuanticCinergy wrote: OK, you guys win! Take all our players, take all our funding, we'll just go away and do something else, alright? Are we happy now? Good. I want to thank you one for responding to this and for trying to convey your thoughts and process behind it all. I was one of the people who has emailed TEAMS and coaches about Destiny. I never emailed the sponsors but at the same time there hasn't been any notable difference to Destiny's inability to control a basic emotion that is pivotal to being an adult and being treated like one. The solution IMO to dealing with individuals like Destiny is when a team signs him/her to make a statement about trying to help the person control and deal with their anger. Both inside the game and out, this is not just a starcraft 2 problem this is a personal trait that is a problem. Just my 2 coppers -> | ||
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oBlade
United States6678 Posts
On May 08 2012 08:04 OrganicDoom wrote: he'll get in line soon enough. Luckily people who aren't children aren't intimidated by your line, and there will always be people who don't follow it, so I would get used to that fact and stop trying to fight it. On May 08 2012 08:05 HorsemasterK wrote: Wow. My opinion of Quantic had risen over these past few days with the addition of the Vile players and the overdue removal of Destiny, but clearly I was wrong. Your input is valued along with those of all the Quantic fans. | ||
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iloveAthene
186 Posts
On May 08 2012 07:32 QuanticCinergy wrote: OK, you guys win! Take all our players, take all our funding, we'll just go away and do something else, alright? Are we happy now? Good. Yeah this really doesn't make sense. So the consumers took Destiny from you? When you say things like that it makes it seem as though you wouldn't have punished him at all. That's the exact reason people contacted sponsors in the first place. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On May 08 2012 07:42 Doodsmack wrote: Rofl @ the "I'm starter than you" wikipedia link. Don't pretend that the kids who emailed sponsors were actually giving it enough thought over time for there to be a "straw that broke the camel's back." Destiny was acting like this as a Quantic player before Warden's thread. If you people were really so morally outraged and interested in fighting for racial equality, you would have made your own thread with a screenshot or audio clip before Warden made his thread. Uh? I didn't know the correct term in english and looked it up in wikipedia. And where did I say I was smarter than anybody? And no, personally I don't watch Destiny's stream. So I wouldn't be even aware of his behaviour after he joined Quantic, hell if you bothered to read my previous posts on this kind of stuff I didn't bother contacting the sponsors because i don't really give a crap about how he behaves(its not like he will be playing on main stage of MLG\GSL soon). I am just defending people's right to complain about an attitude they don't like. But nice personal attacks | ||
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oBlade
United States6678 Posts
On May 08 2012 08:11 iloveAthene wrote: Yeah this really doesn't make sense. So the consumers took Destiny from you? When you say things like that it makes it seem as though you wouldn't have punished him at all. That's the exact reason people contacted sponsors in the first place. People thought they wouldn't have done anything about the allegation of a problem they weren't alerted to, so they just contacted the sponsors instead? Sorry Dad, I didn't think you would say yes if I asked to borrow the car so I just took the keys. | ||
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BoxingKangaroo
Japan955 Posts
On May 08 2012 07:58 oBlade wrote: Someone streaming online just means he's subject to public opinion, which basically means people who like him can become his fans, and people who have no interest in following him can watch one of the millions of other things going on in the community. It doesn't mean he has to run a G rated show or else suffer the emails of the self-righteous. There is obviously a demand involved because Destiny has a huge number of concurrent viewers. Nal_ra has sworn on camera, and apparently you've never seen a hockey game. The players get so angry they actually do something harmful, that is, they get physically violent. I think this influx of people with random moral vendettas needs to learn it's not their job to regulate all the content on the web. This issue of what kind of content someone else is watching is none of your business. Stop pretending like you have to be G-Rated to not incur viewers wrath. Streamers can swear to high-heaven for all I care. They can talk about sex, drugs and rock and roll and they can BM their opponents to their hearts content. Be as X-rated as you like, just don't step over 'the line'. Usually I'm a big fan of the 'just don't watch it' argument. But leaving this stuff alone has consequences I believe even for those that have decided not to watch. Suddenly one of the most popular streamers of our sport, a representative of our community spouts racist terms on a regular basis. As a member of said community, that's something I'm concerned about. Not to mention his ties with Quantic and Naniwa's recent success put that team (and everyone on it) in the spotlight. | ||
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FoeHamr
United States489 Posts
On May 08 2012 07:32 QuanticCinergy wrote: OK, you guys win! Take all our players, take all our funding, we'll just go away and do something else, alright? Are we happy now? Good. It wasn't me I swear. Some of us are mature enough to just turn the stream off. | ||
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Fubi
2228 Posts
But, the fact is, if this were to happen to any other industries, be it other sports, or entertainment, or even business industries, the exact same shit-storm usually ensues. And who's fault do we usually blame when this happens? That's right, the player or employee that did such acts. So the question is, why are people expecting e-Sport to be any different, why are we pointing fingers are the so called witch hunters instead? | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On May 08 2012 07:32 QuanticCinergy wrote: OK, you guys win! Take all our players, take all our funding, we'll just go away and do something else, alright? Are we happy now? Good. Yeah because complaining to sponsors is equal to pillaging and ravaging the entire team. Seriously if you are going to act this way better not post because you are making Quantic members and yourself look like asses. But I guess a waitress would act as dramatically if I "snitched" on her for her crappy service.LOL | ||
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gayfius173
48 Posts
"All the brain dead fucking (insert racist comment here) retards whining and writing sponsors have most definitely used racist/offensive words, probably on a regular basis, in their lives. They also probably still do (lol)." | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
Don't police players. If people want to send letters--let them. If players want to be racist--let them. If racist players and letter happy people mix it up--let them. It's not our call to police either. | ||
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Fubi
2228 Posts
On May 08 2012 08:19 gayfius173 wrote: These 'Witch Hunts" can be so easily summarized in a short sentence or two. "All the brain dead fucking (insert racist comment here) retards whining and writing sponsors have most definitely used racist/offensive words, probably on a regular basis, in their lives. They also probably still do (lol)." But most of us never did it publicly while under contract to represent an organization backed up by sponsors... | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On May 08 2012 08:19 gayfius173 wrote: These 'Witch Hunts" can be so easily summarized in a short sentence or two. "All the brain dead fucking (insert racist comment here) retards whining and writing sponsors have most definitely used racist/offensive words, probably on a regular basis, in their lives. They also probably still do (lol)." Nope, sorry try again. | ||
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gayfius173
48 Posts
On May 08 2012 08:20 Fubi wrote: But most of us never did it publicly while under contract to represent an organization backed up by sponsors... Oh so it's ok if you're not representing an organization? So glad I added the brain dead part in there, thanks for proving my point. | ||
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OrganicDoom
United States32 Posts
On May 08 2012 08:10 oBlade wrote: Luckily people who aren't children aren't intimidated by your line, and there will always be people who don't follow it, so I would get used to that fact and stop trying to fight it. Your input is valued along with those of all the Quantic fans. And those people will pay the same price as Destiny and Orb for acting like children. The punishment is working. | ||
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iloveAthene
186 Posts
On May 08 2012 08:14 oBlade wrote: People thought they wouldn't have done anything about the allegation of a problem they weren't alerted to, so they just contacted the sponsors instead? Yeah pretty much. Except I'm not sure about the chronology of when Quantic was alerted. A.) They hired Destiny months ago, knowing how he acts B.) There's really not any financial reason (this is all business) to do anything about his behavior if there isn't pressure coming from sponsors. If he's still making the team money, even though the team is receiving numerous complaints about him, would they do anything? I don't know, maybe they'd fine him if it's in his contract. I'm in favor of some governing body that can maybe fine players so people don't have to contact sponsors or rely on teams | ||
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oBlade
United States6678 Posts
On May 08 2012 08:18 windsupernova wrote: Yeah because complaining to sponsors is equal to pillaging and ravaging the entire team. Seriously if you are going to act this way better not post because you are making Quantic members and yourself look like asses. But I guess a waitress would act as dramatically if I "snitched" on her for her crappy service.LOL That analogy doesn't fit. It's not like people paid for an HD stream and only got 240p. People who watch Destiny's stream know exactly what to expect, and that's in fact why they watch, and that's why he has such a successful stream. He's clearly doing something right. When you complain to sponsors, you are implicating their support of the team. This is because it's none of the sponsors' business what the fuck is going on internally in the team, and they don't care. This was put elegantly by the OGN guys after the matchfixing scandal. When a sponsor sees a shitstorm, he will just go "okay let's nix this esports thing, now we have room on the budget for that company Rolls Royce." Also, he doesn't look like an ass to me, and I'm sure plenty of others like his mocking of the internet police. On May 08 2012 08:23 iloveAthene wrote: Yeah pretty much. Except I'm not sure about the chronology of when Quantic was alerted. A.) They hired Destiny months ago, knowing how he acts B.) There's really not any financial reason (this is all business) to do anything about his behavior if there isn't pressure coming from sponsors. If he's still making the team money, even though the team is receiving numerous complaints about him, would they do anything? I don't know, maybe they'd fine him if it's in his contract. I'm in favor of some governing body that can maybe fine players so people don't have to contact sponsors or rely on teams Why would you ever in the history of anything bring up the idea of charging someone a fee which will end up in some manager's pocket for using a word on the Battle.net ladder? On May 08 2012 08:23 OrganicDoom wrote: And those people will pay the same price as Destiny and Orb for acting like children. The punishment is working. Can I have your badge number, officer? | ||
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