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FCLogan
Profile Joined August 2012
49 Posts
September 24 2012 20:25 GMT
#1821
I think Excalibur_Z phrased it well. Both Blizzard's points (especially adjusted points) and Skeldark's MMR are approximations of Blizzard's MMR. The central difference between the two is that adjusted points have a very weak relationship to Blizzard's MMR, while Skeldark's plugin has a much stronger relationship to Blizzard's MMR. If there was no relationship between adjusted points and MMR, Skeldark would have been unable to create this plugin.

With that said, Skeldark's comments were likely made because people often place too much reliance on adjusted points. MMR carries over seasons, while points do not. Having more points, even adjusted points, is not a reliable indicator of skill. I doubt Skeldark means there is absolutely no correlation between adjusted points and MMR. Rather, he likely means there is a very weak correlation between the two and that it is generally best to not pay attention to your points or your adjusted points (unless you are very familiar with the MMR system).
DarkLordFoxx
Profile Joined June 2012
United States12 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-24 23:55:46
September 24 2012 23:49 GMT
#1822
I just played a player who's been in master league for the last 3 seasons (and is currently in it too) yet his MMR is 903 according to the tool. Is that even possible?

EDIT: Not denying someone can be smurfing, I'm just surprised they haven't been demoted by now.
KazmA
Profile Joined August 2011
United States117 Posts
September 25 2012 00:18 GMT
#1823
wow I didnt even know something like this existed. Great job d00d! :D
"I intend to live forever, or die trying"- Groucho Marks
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 06:42:10
September 25 2012 06:22 GMT
#1824
On September 25 2012 04:26 Kestnuts wrote:
I've recently noticed (since season change and update to most recent version of MMR-Stats) that occasionally my MMR, or the MMR of my opponents, or sometimes both, will jumpy very sharply for several games. For example, my MMR jumped this morning from ~900 to ~1150. My opponents MMR was very close to mine for those two games. The next game my opponents MMR (according to the graph) dropped to about 600, spiked to 1,000 next game, then dropped slightly over the next 3 games before spiking back up to around 1,150. Is this because of the removal of divisions, or is my data just bad?

if your opponent is 10 points over you this means i dont have any data. Thats my filler value.
If you have spikes something is wrong with your data.
will check next week not much time

@Loagan
well said. Sometimes you have to go into the extreme to make a point clear.
I have the option to explain it in detail to everyone (like excalibur does) or i just say "forget points".
Both are correct. You could get information out of it but the people who ask this, cant!

@DarkLordFoxx
Its very hard to get demoted. You dont get demoted for a bad swing only.
His mmr is ranked on your division. That means if you are diamond i calculate a dmmr that dont break the master line.
If you are master too, i calculated a Minus Dmmr! (possible because no minimum dmmr in master)


@Excalibur
I heavy disagree. It all depends from what site you looking at it...

Leagues
What you say but also have a achievements character.

Divisions and Division Tiers
Sub leagues so people have a personal factor. Because you dont play in your subleague only, it is confusing and dont give any information. Its a half, half. You dont play in your sub-league but you are in a sub-league. Very lazy fake system.
It also give the option to hide inside the league the real ranking. So even low league people have a chance to get heigh in their division.

Offsets
Comes with leagues and help to keep the leagues in the size you want them to be. No real hiding. Its just comes with leagues.

Minimum Divisional MMR
It exist not only in bronze. Its in all league up to diamond and affect 50% of the players.
Hiding function so you dont see that you are the button half of your league. Lets everyone in the button be equal good so there is no worst player. Also with mass gameing the worst have a chance to become one of the best.
If you wanted to fix the bronce 0 line only , just raise the 0 line would do the job. It does the job in all other skill function in the world so why not for sc2?

Bonus Pool
Obvious. Mass gaming should be more rewarded than skill.

Removing Division Tiers
They notice they did it to far and with the Minimum DMMR they still hide the skill.
It also makes the system very complicated for them-self and in the end its a "give the dog a bone" move.

They admit that the reason they invited this system is to hide your skill.
So i dont see a point to look at it as not hiding your skill functions. I can understand when you want to defend this decision. Their are reasons to hide a skill. But i dont really see the point in acting, all this is not their to hide your skill in the first place.
But we both discussed this topic to the end by now and will never agree on it. Also their motive does not really care for me any-more. There is so much more i have a problem with, that this detail alone is not important.
So people make your own opinion.

Beside this i announce that im not sure if i will keep this tool alive in HOTS, just because im not sure yet if i will buy it.
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BurningRanger
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany303 Posts
September 25 2012 07:21 GMT
#1825
On September 25 2012 15:22 skeldark wrote:
Beside this i announce that im not sure if i will keep this tool alive in HOTS, just because im not sure yet if i will buy it.

Ouch...
I guess money is not the problem, but probably the disbelief in Blizzard or dislike for HotS. Still I bet here are a lot of people who'd donate so you can get a HotS copy. I hope you'll keep this going! (If you really decided not to, is there someone with enough knowledge and will to take it over?)
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skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 07:47:09
September 25 2012 07:33 GMT
#1826
On September 25 2012 16:21 BurningRanger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 15:22 skeldark wrote:
Beside this i announce that im not sure if i will keep this tool alive in HOTS, just because im not sure yet if i will buy it.

Ouch...
I guess money is not the problem, but probably the disbelief in Blizzard or dislike for HotS. Still I bet here are a lot of people who'd donate so you can get a HotS copy. I hope you'll keep this going! (If you really decided not to, is there someone with enough knowledge and will to take it over?)

Its nothing emotional. I make this decision as a rational customer.
I just dont see how its worth my money yet.

I played only sc2 in the last months to test new version of my program.
Beside that i see nothing that would interest me in hots. Few new units that dont make the game more interesting. Its basic the exact same game. I dont see it evolving. I have access to the beta and did not even install it.

The interface is missing so much stuff and i notice that i already get used to the millions of bugs and act like its normal that its so bad made. The frustration over blizzard play a role, because i lost all hope they will move in the right direction in future. I dont talk about mmr i talk about game mechanic, interface and creativity.
Not_that quit a month ago and i dont think he will buy any blizzard product in future.

I played sc1 from the first day, bw from the first day, sc2 from the frist day, day d1 and d2 hardcore and did not even think about buying d3. Its one thing to write on a forum what you like and what not and rage about mistakes.
At the end of the day you just have to think about if the games are worth money or time. Sc2 was worth this but i dont see hots being it.

Perhaps i can update the program without even own a copy of the addon. But its hard to test changes.
Perhaps i buy it anyway or just test with a version from a friend. Time also plays a role because this project eat more time than i can effort. We will see...
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Namelless
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany38 Posts
September 25 2012 14:02 GMT
#1827
please dont lose motivation for this tool in hots! ... its the most useful program i have installed on my windowscomputer besides firefox and sc2 -_-
mothergoose729
Profile Joined December 2010
United States666 Posts
September 25 2012 18:09 GMT
#1828
I just got it, says its incompatible with sc2 gears? I just downloaded the latest version from their website. What gives?
arie3000
Profile Joined October 2011
153 Posts
September 25 2012 19:27 GMT
#1829
Hi Skeldark, thanks so much for making a Mac version, I asked for that eons ago, and you made it work! Really appreciate your tool, as a scientist I really appreciate the line graphs of progress.
Kinda striking how Blizz is lying to you, I am now #2 in wood (bronze), but according to your tool I'm still a good 200 points from promotion so I've got some ground to cover!
Anyway, cheers for making the plugin, it is really useful! I hope it keeps working under HOTS (if it ever comes out)...
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
September 26 2012 17:07 GMT
#1830
Thanks guys.
Im not sure yet and we all know blizzard. Will perhaps take 2 years until hots release.
Like i said much to do at the moment but will change the promotion lines and perhaps offsets next week and make a small update

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JEZUS
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada19 Posts
September 27 2012 02:37 GMT
#1831
Hi, i have trouble getting started with mmr stats; im still 0/0 games after a few ladder 1v1.

16:44:20 MMR-Stats 7.0
16:44:20 --------INIT START--------
16:44:20 OK Encoding: OK
16:44:20 OK Loading DB
16:44:21 OK DB up to date!
16:44:21 OK Settings loaded!
16:44:21 ERROR No Data Found! Time to ladder...
16:44:21 OK Triggers ready!
16:44:22 OK Gameobserver: ready!
16:44:24 ERROR Timeclient failed
16:44:25 OK: Program is up to date
16:44:25 --------INIT END--------
17:48:37 --------------------------
17:48:37 Game Start detected
17:49:20 Webgrabber: Player true
17:49:20 No Profile, skip
17:49:20 Webgrabber: Opponent false
17:49:20 PRE-Trigger done
amen
BurningRanger
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany303 Posts
September 27 2012 07:33 GMT
#1832
On September 27 2012 11:37 JEZUS wrote:
17:49:20 No Profile, skip

Maybe your Battle.net Profile path is wrong/not set?
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skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 10:24:32
September 27 2012 10:23 GMT
#1833
On September 27 2012 11:37 JEZUS wrote:
Hi, i have trouble getting started with mmr stats; im still 0/0 games after a few ladder 1v1.

16:44:20 MMR-Stats 7.0
16:44:20 --------INIT START--------
16:44:20 OK Encoding: OK
16:44:20 OK Loading DB
16:44:21 OK DB up to date!
16:44:21 OK Settings loaded!
16:44:21 ERROR No Data Found! Time to ladder...
16:44:21 OK Triggers ready!
16:44:22 OK Gameobserver: ready!
16:44:24 ERROR Timeclient failed
16:44:25 OK: Program is up to date
16:44:25 --------INIT END--------
17:48:37 --------------------------
17:48:37 Game Start detected
17:49:20 Webgrabber: Player true
17:49:20 No Profile, skip
17:49:20 Webgrabber: Opponent false
17:49:20 PRE-Trigger done


No posttrigger run.
Check the folders in your sc2gears settings.
The replays are not saved correct.

Also:
16:44:24 ERROR Timeclient failed
Check your system clock

@BurningRanger
Thats the opponent in the pretrigger = he have memoryscanner disabled.
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JEZUS
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada19 Posts
September 27 2012 16:18 GMT
#1834
Ok i think i fixed the Timeclient error.

11:41:30 MMR-Stats 7.0
11:41:30 --------INIT START--------
11:41:30 OK Encoding: OK
11:41:30 OK Loading DB
11:41:32 OK DB up to date!
11:41:32 OK Settings loaded!
11:41:32 ERROR No Data Found! Time to ladder...
11:41:32 OK Triggers ready!
11:41:32 OK Gameobserver: ready!
11:41:32 OK Timeclient: Systemtime offset: 1 sec
11:41:33 OK: Program is up to date
11:41:33 --------INIT END--------
11:53:17 --------------------------
11:53:17 Game Start detected
11:54:0 Webgrabber: Player true
11:54:0 No Profile, skip
11:54:0 Webgrabber: Opponent false
11:54:0 PRE-Trigger done

[image loading]
Screenshot of my folder settings. Can you tell me if something is wrong.

I hear the voice saying: replay saved after each game.
amen
InfCereal
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1759 Posts
September 27 2012 18:08 GMT
#1835
On September 28 2012 01:18 JEZUS wrote:
Ok i think i fixed the Timeclient error.

11:41:30 MMR-Stats 7.0
11:41:30 --------INIT START--------
11:41:30 OK Encoding: OK
11:41:30 OK Loading DB
11:41:32 OK DB up to date!
11:41:32 OK Settings loaded!
11:41:32 ERROR No Data Found! Time to ladder...
11:41:32 OK Triggers ready!
11:41:32 OK Gameobserver: ready!
11:41:32 OK Timeclient: Systemtime offset: 1 sec
11:41:33 OK: Program is up to date
11:41:33 --------INIT END--------
11:53:17 --------------------------
11:53:17 Game Start detected
11:54:0 Webgrabber: Player true
11:54:0 No Profile, skip
11:54:0 Webgrabber: Opponent false
11:54:0 PRE-Trigger done

[image loading]
Screenshot of my folder settings. Can you tell me if something is wrong.

I hear the voice saying: replay saved after each game.



I suggest pointing the program to just the starcraft II folder in your documents.
Cereal
Tistou
Profile Joined December 2009
France14 Posts
September 27 2012 18:35 GMT
#1836
Hi,
I don't know if it has been said but since I updated the latest version, the program tells me that I need more data and that the result is not accurate 0/66, however I keep playing games and the number on the right just goes up (0/67, 0/68....) and I played 10 ish games since the update (the previous version calculated all right btw) Do I just need to play more games? or is it I'm doing something wrong.
BurningRanger
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany303 Posts
September 27 2012 19:02 GMT
#1837
On September 28 2012 01:18 JEZUS wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Ok i think i fixed the Timeclient error.

11:41:30 MMR-Stats 7.0
11:41:30 --------INIT START--------
11:41:30 OK Encoding: OK
11:41:30 OK Loading DB
11:41:32 OK DB up to date!
11:41:32 OK Settings loaded!
11:41:32 ERROR No Data Found! Time to ladder...
11:41:32 OK Triggers ready!
11:41:32 OK Gameobserver: ready!
11:41:32 OK Timeclient: Systemtime offset: 1 sec
11:41:33 OK: Program is up to date
11:41:33 --------INIT END--------
11:53:17 --------------------------
11:53:17 Game Start detected
11:54:0 Webgrabber: Player true
11:54:0 No Profile, skip
11:54:0 Webgrabber: Opponent false
11:54:0 PRE-Trigger done

[image loading]
Screenshot of my folder settings. Can you tell me if something is wrong.

I hear the voice saying: replay saved after each game.


Your SC2 auto replay folder is set to blabla... \Replays\Unsaved\Multiplayer. Could it be you didn't set SC2 to auto save all replays? (Mine is set to blabla... \Replays\Multiplayer without the unsaved)

@Tistou: Yes you need to play more games. If you want, you can activate the RAM scanner to get a good game earlier (if you haven't done yet).
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JEZUS
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada19 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-28 00:12:52
September 27 2012 19:04 GMT
#1838
Success! post trigger running im now 0/1
Thx skeldark and InfCereal for suggesting to change the replay folder to only the starcraft 2 folder; that solved my problem.

Edit: thanks to BurningRanger too even tho my problem was solved just before you posted.
amen
SorrowShine
Profile Joined October 2011
698 Posts
September 28 2012 19:54 GMT
#1839
Hi guys
i just installed the tool
After 6 games I have 1 good game. so it looks like 1/6
I have a question: when am i gonna see promotion line?? or demotion?? how many games do i need??
another one: MMR approximation according to leagues?? Used the search function intensively and no clear answer to that.

If this questions were answered already could you refer me to the link
Thanx

skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
September 28 2012 22:19 GMT
#1840
On September 28 2012 03:35 Tistou wrote:
Hi,
I don't know if it has been said but since I updated the latest version, the program tells me that I need more data and that the result is not accurate 0/66, however I keep playing games and the number on the right just goes up (0/67, 0/68....) and I played 10 ish games since the update (the previous version calculated all right btw) Do I just need to play more games? or is it I'm doing something wrong.

0 from 68? thats a new record.
What was your old version? did you play with old the version of last season?
This did not work at all last weeks.

On September 29 2012 04:54 SorrowShine wrote:
Hi guys
i just installed the tool
After 6 games I have 1 good game. so it looks like 1/6
I have a question: when am i gonna see promotion line?? or demotion?? how many games do i need??
another one: MMR approximation according to leagues?? Used the search function intensively and no clear answer to that.

If this questions were answered already could you refer me to the link
Thanx


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