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Termo88
Profile Joined October 2012
Slovakia15 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-19 11:13:02
February 19 2013 10:37 GMT
#2541
Guys,

what happened to my MMR tool?

It jumped, all of a sudden, when, in fact, I'm on a tilt of a lifetime.

[image loading]

Thank you!


Games: 64/135

Main Log (notice the weird time format, e.g., "11:2:1"):
+ Show Spoiler +
9:2:30 MMR-Stats 8.1
9:2:30 --------INIT START--------
9:2:30 OK Encoding: OK
9:2:31 OK Loading DB
9:2:32 OK DB up to date!
9:2:33 OK Settings loaded!
9:2:33 OK Timeclient: Systemtime offset: 2 sec
9:2:33 OK Gamedata: 131 Games loaded.
9:2:33 Loading Archive...
9:2:33 No Data Found!
9:2:33 OK Triggers ready!
9:2:33 OK Gameobserver: ready!
9:2:35 OK: Program is up to date
9:2:35 --------INIT END--------
10:31:49 --------------------------
10:31:49 Game Start detected
10:32:32 Webgrabber: Player true
10:32:32 No Profile, skip
10:32:32 Webgrabber: Opponent false
10:32:32 PRE-Trigger done
10:39:12 Webgrabber: Player true
10:39:15 Webgrabber: Opponent true
10:39:15 DATA Alg. A : failed, No Ramscanner
10:39:15 DATA Alg.B: failed, No Bonus Win
10:39:15 ERROR AFTERCHECK All algorithem failed
10:39:15 Gamecheck: true 10:39:15 POST-Trigger done
10:39:15 Player-data-Qualitiy: 50%
10:39:15 Opponent-data-Qualitiy: 100%
10:39:17 --------------------------
10:39:22 --------------------------
10:39:22 Game Start detected
10:40:5 Webgrabber: Player true
10:40:5 No Profile, skip
10:40:5 Webgrabber: Opponent false
10:40:5 PRE-Trigger done
10:41:25 --------------------------
10:41:25 Game Start detected
10:42:8 Webgrabber: Player true
10:42:8 No Profile, skip
10:42:8 Webgrabber: Opponent false
10:42:8 PRE-Trigger done
10:52:50 Webgrabber: Player true
10:52:53 Webgrabber: Opponent true
10:52:53 DATA Alg. A : failed, No Ramscanner
10:52:53 DATA Alg.B: failed, No Bonus Win
10:52:53 ERROR AFTERCHECK All algorithem failed
10:52:53 Gamecheck: true
10:52:53 POST-Trigger done
10:52:53 Player-data-Qualitiy: 50%
10:52:53 Opponent-data-Qualitiy: 75%
10:52:54 OK Uploader: game uploaded
10:52:54 Ladder Game Done!
10:52:54 --------------------------
10:52:58 --------------------------
10:52:58 Game Start detected
10:53:41 Webgrabber: Player true
10:53:41 No Profile, skip
10:53:41 Webgrabber: Opponent false
10:53:41 PRE-Trigger done
11:1:55 Webgrabber: Player true
11:1:57 Webgrabber: Opponent true
11:1:57 DATA Alg.B: failed, No Bonus Win
11:1:57 DATA Alg. A : failed, No Ramscanner
11:1:57 Gamecheck: true
11:1:57 POST-Trigger done
11:1:57 Player-data-Qualitiy: 75%
11:1:57 Opponent-data-Qualitiy: 75%
11:1:58 OK Uploader: game uploaded
11:1:58 Ladder Game Done!
11:1:58 --------------------------
11:2:1 --------------------------
11:2:1 Game Start detected
11:2:44 Webgrabber: Player true
11:2:44 No Profile, skip
11:2:44 Webgrabber: Opponent false
11:2:44 PRE-Trigger done
11:21:44 Webgrabber: Player true
11:21:47 Webgrabber: Opponent true
11:21:47 DATA Alg. A : failed, No Ramscanner
11:21:47 Gamecheck: true
11:21:47 POST-Trigger done
11:21:47 Player-data-Qualitiy: 100%
11:21:47 Opponent-data-Qualitiy: 100%
11:21:49 OK Uploader: game uploaded
11:21:49 Ladder Game Done!
11:21:49 --------------------------


Game Log:
+ Show Spoiler +
10:39:15 A -13 B -13

10:39:15
10:39:15 A -9999 B -9999

10:39:15
10:39:15 PREPLAYER 1:
Data: true
Reading: true
Adjusted: true
Dmmr: false
id: 1-291778
playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/
server: EU
league: platinum
division_name: lockwell pi
Main race: p
Game race: unkown
gamedate: 18/2/2013
mapname: Cloud Kingdom LE
totalbonuspool: 353
Wins: 125
Looses: -9999
points: 504
bonus: 5
change_points: -12
adjusted_points: 156

10:39:15 PREPLAYER 2:
Data: false
Reading: false
Adjusted: false
Dmmr: false
id:
playerlink:
server:
league: ERROR
division_name: ERROR
Main race: unkown
Game race: unkown
gamedate: ERROR
mapname: ERROR
totalbonuspool: 350
Wins: -9999
Looses: -9999
points: -9999
bonus: -9999
change_points: -9999
adjusted_points: -9999

10:39:15 POSTPLAYER 1:
Data: false
Reading: false
Adjusted: true
Dmmr: false
id: 1-291778
playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/
server: EU
league: platinum
division_name: lockwell pi
Main race: p
Game race: p
gamedate: 19/2/2013
mapname: Ohana LE
totalbonuspool: 353
Wins: 125
Looses: -9999
points: 491
bonus: 5
change_points: -13
adjusted_points: 143

10:39:15 POSTPLAYER 2:
Data: true
Reading: true
Adjusted: false
Dmmr: false
id: 1-2174709
playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2174709/1/Caffeinefree/
server: EU
league: master
division_name: brood lord romeo
Main race: t
Game race: t
gamedate: 19/2/2013
mapname: Ohana LE
totalbonuspool: 609
Wins: 231
Looses: 270
points: 45
bonus: 0
change_points: -9999
adjusted_points: -564

10:39:15 Dataset:
--- GAMESTART ---
TIME: 1361266712591
VALID: true
Player1_won false
--- GAMEEND ---

10:52:53 A -14 B -14

10:52:53
10:52:53 A -9999 B -9999

10:52:53
10:52:53 PREPLAYER 1:
Data: true
Reading: true
Adjusted: true
Dmmr: false
id: 1-291778
playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/
server: EU
league: platinum
division_name: lockwell pi
Main race: p
Game race: unkown
gamedate: 19/2/2013
mapname: Ohana LE
totalbonuspool: 353
Wins: 125
Looses: -9999
points: 491
bonus: 5
change_points: -13
adjusted_points: 143

10:52:53 PREPLAYER 2:
Data: false
Reading: false
Adjusted: false
Dmmr: false
id:
playerlink:
server:
league: ERROR
division_name: ERROR
Main race: unkown
Game race: unkown
gamedate: ERROR
mapname: ERROR
totalbonuspool: 351
Wins: -9999
Looses: -9999
points: -9999
bonus: -9999
change_points: -9999
adjusted_points: -9999

10:52:53 POSTPLAYER 1:
Data: false
Reading: false
Adjusted: true
Dmmr: false
id: 1-291778
playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/
server: EU
league: platinum
division_name: lockwell pi
Main race: p
Game race: p
gamedate: 19/2/2013
mapname: Ohana LE
totalbonuspool: 353
Wins: 125
Looses: -9999
points: 477
bonus: 5
change_points: -14
adjusted_points: 129

10:52:53 POSTPLAYER 2:
Data: true
Reading: true
Adjusted: false
Dmmr: false
id: 1-2673938
playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2673938/1/NuttZhot/
server: EU
league: gold
division_name: dylar uncle
Main race: z
Game race: z
gamedate: 19/2/2013
mapname: Ohana LE
totalbonuspool: 353
Wins: 27
Looses: -9999
points: 577
bonus: 0
change_points: -9999
adjusted_points: 224

10:52:53 Dataset:
--- GAMESTART ---
TIME: 1361267530224
VALID: true
Player1_won false
--- GAMEEND ---

11:1:57 A 11 B -9999

11:1:57
11:1:57 A -9999 B -11

11:1:57
11:1:57 PREPLAYER 1:
Data: true
Reading: true
Adjusted: true
Dmmr: false
id: 1-291778
playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/
server: EU
league: platinum
division_name: lockwell pi
Main race: p
Game race: unkown
gamedate: 19/2/2013
mapname: Ohana LE
totalbonuspool: 353
Wins: 125
Looses: -9999
points: 477
bonus: 5
change_points: -14
adjusted_points: 129

11:1:57 PREPLAYER 2:
Data: false
Reading: false
Adjusted: false
Dmmr: false
id:
playerlink:
server:
league: ERROR
division_name: ERROR
Main race: unkown
Game race: unkown
gamedate: ERROR
mapname: ERROR
totalbonuspool: 351
Wins: -9999
Looses: -9999
points: -9999
bonus: -9999
change_points: -9999
adjusted_points: -9999

11:1:57 POSTPLAYER 1:
Data: true
Reading: true
Adjusted: true
Dmmr: false
id: 1-291778
playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/
server: EU
league: platinum
division_name: lockwell pi
Main race: p
Game race: p
gamedate: 19/2/2013
mapname: Daybreak LE
totalbonuspool: 353
Wins: 126
Looses: -9999
points: 493
bonus: 0
change_points: 11
adjusted_points: 140

11:1:57 POSTPLAYER 2:
Data: true
Reading: true
Adjusted: true
Dmmr: false
id: 1-2714028
playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2714028/1/Dinvald/
server: EU
league: platinum
division_name: raven charlie
Main race: t
Game race: t
gamedate: 19/2/2013
mapname: Daybreak LE
totalbonuspool: 353
Wins: 27
Looses: -9999
points: 397
bonus: 0
change_points: -11
adjusted_points: 44

11:1:57 Dataset:
--- GAMESTART ---
TIME: 1361268074844
VALID: true
Player1_won true
--- GAMEEND ---

11:21:47 A -5 B -5

11:21:47
11:21:47 A -9999 B 20

11:21:47
11:21:47 PREPLAYER 1:
Data: true
Reading: true
Adjusted: true
Dmmr: false
id: 1-291778
playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/
server: EU
league: platinum
division_name: lockwell pi
Main race: p
Game race: unkown
gamedate: 19/2/2013
mapname: Daybreak LE
totalbonuspool: 353
Wins: 126
Looses: -9999
points: 493
bonus: 0
change_points: 16
adjusted_points: 140

11:21:47 PREPLAYER 2:
Data: false
Reading: false
Adjusted: false
Dmmr: false
id:
playerlink:
server:
league: ERROR
division_name: ERROR
Main race: unkown
Game race: unkown
gamedate: ERROR
mapname: ERROR
totalbonuspool: 351
Wins: -9999
Looses: -9999
points: -9999
bonus: -9999
change_points: -9999
adjusted_points: -9999

11:21:47 POSTPLAYER 1:
Data: true
Reading: true
Adjusted: true
Dmmr: false
id: 1-291778
playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/
server: EU
league: platinum
division_name: lockwell pi
Main race: p
Game race: p
gamedate: 19/2/2013
mapname: Daybreak LE
totalbonuspool: 353
Wins: 126
Looses: -9999
points: 488
bonus: 0
change_points: -5
adjusted_points: 135

11:21:47 POSTPLAYER 2:
Data: true
Reading: true
Adjusted: true
Dmmr: false
id: 1-3488967
playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3488967/1/GLHF/
server: EU
league: platinum
division_name: dominion kappa
Main race: p
Game race: p
gamedate: 19/2/2013
mapname: Daybreak LE
totalbonuspool: 353
Wins: 14
Looses: -9999
points: 296
bonus: 130
change_points: 20
adjusted_points: 73

11:21:47 Dataset:
--- GAMESTART ---
TIME: 1361269264511
VALID: true
Player1_won false
--- GAMEEND ---


Analyse Log:
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EDIT: Added logs.
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-19 14:47:14
February 19 2013 14:25 GMT
#2542
Locked the database.
All games are bad games from now on.


Unlock with next patch from korona and InfCereal when they figured all changes out.
Can you guys update op?



GL with the changed bonuspool, i can be problematic up to impossible to collect data from the loosing player without ramscanner (e.g. they give full lost points form bonuspool and hide the change this way) If not that, alg. B will still fail more often than before.

About sc2gears:
They still dont give him the replay format data... Blizzard....
IF flaming cant read the hots replay format (and if he can not noone can) perhaps you guys have to get the data yourself out of the RAM.

Both solutions would force the ramscanner.
With over 50.000 user and 0 bans in all the time it should be safe to force the use.
Would suck for the Mac users tho.
But it would be possible to add a ramscanner for Mac if the users give you system rights.
But that is up to you guys now


PS:
@Termo88
Changepoint calculation of your opponent in last game calculated the wrong number.
Dont know why. Time format is implemented this strange way in java and i was to lazy to overwrite it.

Mark the last game as bad in the settings.

just see the huge spikes on the opponent MMR.
They increased the mmr-range for matchmaking a lot to reduce the waiting time for the lower playerbase.
Save gaming: kill esport
Aimconquest
Profile Joined December 2012
15 Posts
February 19 2013 15:26 GMT
#2543
@Skeldark

Wouldn't it be possible to compare current available Bonus pool from the start of the match and the pool at the end to tell the difference or is it a lot more complex than that?
MMR-Stats
Profile Joined January 2013
26 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-19 16:13:17
February 19 2013 15:36 GMT
#2544
Original post has been updated:

2013-02-19: Database is locked & games are marked as 'bad' - Blizzard has updated SC2 to 2.0.4 on some servers and rest will be updated during next day or two. MMR-tool does not yet support the new patch. Thus the tool database was locked & all games played after this point are marked as 'bad'. No timeframe on when the tool will be fixed yet. This message OP will be updated when there has been progress. In the mean time see pre-warning message and message regarding locking the database. - korona
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-19 18:20:38
February 19 2013 15:54 GMT
#2545
On February 20 2013 00:26 Aimconquest wrote:
@Skeldark

Wouldn't it be possible to compare current available Bonus pool from the start of the match and the pool at the end to tell the difference or is it a lot more complex than that?

It is little more complex than that. But if I am correct the bonus pool mechanic change is likely fixable without requiring the memory reader (haven't checked how v. 2.0.4 handles it in practice. Only read descriptions & seen how it is done in HotS). If ram scanner is off then now there are more cases than before when pre-game points & bonus pool left cannot be deducted based on post-game results. But correct pre-game adjusted points & point change for these _new cases_ should be able to calculated.

Of course the actual implementation in 2.0.4 may be different than what was described (not yet checked in practice). Also regarding SEA server profiles Blizzard seems to have broken remaining bonus pool count for accounts from bronze to diamond once again (they fixed it originally in late last season). Now it seems to show the remaining master bonus pool also for the lower leagues...

Edit: in this message I have presumed that the match history would show the negative point change for the opponent as a whole. If it does not also the pregame adjusted points cannot be calculated without pre-game data. But will have wait & see how Blizzard has implemented the change.
mvdunecats
Profile Joined December 2011
United States102 Posts
February 19 2013 16:37 GMT
#2546
On February 17 2013 02:20 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 16:24 mvdunecats wrote:
[image loading]
I got promoted into Plat tonight after my 2nd to last game in this graph. My MMR is around 1232 at this point, which looks like a good 40 points below the line for Plat. Perhaps the threshold for Plat could use some tweaking.


You have assumed values for your last 5 opponents though so that's not exactly reliable information. Actually, almost your entire history is assumed values for yourself, do you have any "good games"?

I'm not sure. How would I identify which games are good games?
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-19 16:42:10
February 19 2013 16:41 GMT
#2547
On February 20 2013 01:37 mvdunecats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 02:20 Excalibur_Z wrote:
On February 16 2013 16:24 mvdunecats wrote:
[image loading]
I got promoted into Plat tonight after my 2nd to last game in this graph. My MMR is around 1232 at this point, which looks like a good 40 points below the line for Plat. Perhaps the threshold for Plat could use some tweaking.


You have assumed values for your last 5 opponents though so that's not exactly reliable information. Actually, almost your entire history is assumed values for yourself, do you have any "good games"?

I'm not sure. How would I identify which games are good games?

'MMR-Stats Config' > 'Data' > 'Mark assumptions / bad games'
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-19 16:58:20
February 19 2013 16:56 GMT
#2548
@mvdunecats
you allready have it enabled and you are right. You get promoted under the value.
Game -3 -4-5 from rightr looks like good ones.
So the wrong value can come from inaccarcy of the calculated games, unexpected big mmr change in the last 2-3 games or little mistake in the offsets.
Or from a mix of it.
Your data is an indicator but no proof that the line is to high.
However with hots and wol seperated there is a good chance that the values will change again and if there is a mistake in gold-plat at the moment its very small.
Save gaming: kill esport
mvdunecats
Profile Joined December 2011
United States102 Posts
February 20 2013 05:12 GMT
#2549
On February 20 2013 01:56 skeldark wrote:
@mvdunecats
you allready have it enabled and you are right. You get promoted under the value.
Game -3 -4-5 from rightr looks like good ones.
So the wrong value can come from inaccarcy of the calculated games, unexpected big mmr change in the last 2-3 games or little mistake in the offsets.
Or from a mix of it.
Your data is an indicator but no proof that the line is to high.
However with hots and wol seperated there is a good chance that the values will change again and if there is a mistake in gold-plat at the moment its very small.

Cool, thanks. Last season, when I was promoted from Silver to Gold, it happened immediately after my MMR crossed the threshold. So this promotion was a little bit of a surprise. But at least it was a pleasant surprise!

This has been a great tool. Thanks to skeldark and everyone involved in developing and maintaining it! I hope this sc2gears and this tool are able to live on with HotS.
Braunz
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada13 Posts
February 20 2013 22:06 GMT
#2550
Hello i was just wondering if this was normal..
+ Show Spoiler +

9:21:14 MMR-Stats 8.1
9:21:14 --------INIT START--------
9:21:14 OK File-Encoding UTF-8
9:21:14 OK Loading DB
9:21:15 OK DB up to date!
9:21:15 OK Settings loaded!
9:21:15 No Data Found!
9:21:15 Loading Archive...
9:21:15 No Data Found!
9:21:15 OK Triggers ready!
9:21:15 OK Gameobserver: ready!
9:21:19 OK: Program is up to date
9:21:19 --------INIT END--------
9:22:30 --------------------------
9:22:30 Game Start detected
9:23:13 Webgrabber: Player true
9:23:13 No Profile, skip
9:23:13 Webgrabber: Opponent false
9:23:13 PRE-Trigger done
9:46:13 --------------------------
9:46:13 Game Start detected
9:46:55 Webgrabber: Player true
9:46:55 No Profile, skip
9:46:55 Webgrabber: Opponent false
9:46:55 PRE-Trigger done
9:54:55 --------------------------
9:54:55 Game Start detected
9:55:38 Webgrabber: Player true
9:55:38 No Profile, skip
9:55:38 Webgrabber: Opponent false
9:55:38 PRE-Trigger done
10:22:58 --------------------------
10:22:58 Game Start detected
10:23:40 Webgrabber: Player true
10:23:40 No Profile, skip
10:23:40 Webgrabber: Opponent false
10:23:40 PRE-Trigger done
10:38:40 --------------------------
10:38:40 Game Start detected
10:39:22 Webgrabber: Player true
10:39:22 No Profile, skip
10:39:22 Webgrabber: Opponent false
10:39:22 PRE-Trigger done
13:45:23 --------------------------
13:45:23 Game Start detected
13:46:5 Webgrabber: Player true
13:46:5 No Profile, skip
13:46:5 Webgrabber: Opponent false
13:46:5 PRE-Trigger done
13:48:45 --------------------------
13:48:45 Game Start detected
13:49:28 Webgrabber: Player true
13:49:28 No Profile, skip
13:49:28 Webgrabber: Opponent false
13:49:28 PRE-Trigger done
13:53:8 --------------------------
13:53:8 Game Start detected
13:53:50 Webgrabber: Player true
13:53:50 No Profile, skip
13:53:50 Webgrabber: Opponent false
13:53:50 PRE-Trigger done
14:21:50 --------------------------
14:21:50 Game Start detected
14:22:32 Webgrabber: Player true
14:22:32 No Profile, skip
14:22:32 Webgrabber: Opponent false
14:22:32 PRE-Trigger done
14:39:2 --------------------------
14:39:2 Game Start detected
14:39:45 Webgrabber: Player true
14:39:45 No Profile, skip
14:39:45 Webgrabber: Opponent false
14:39:45 PRE-Trigger done
14:56:55 --------------------------
14:56:55 Game Start detected
14:57:37 Webgrabber: Player true
14:57:37 No Profile, skip
14:57:37 Webgrabber: Opponent false
14:57:37 PRE-Trigger done
15:2:47 --------------------------
15:2:47 Game Start detected
15:3:29 Webgrabber: Player true
15:3:29 No Profile, skip
15:3:29 Webgrabber: Opponent false
15:3:29 PRE-Trigger done
15:20:59 --------------------------
15:20:59 Game Start detected
15:21:42 Webgrabber: Player true
15:21:42 No Profile, skip
15:21:42 Webgrabber: Opponent false
15:21:42 PRE-Trigger done
16:20:42 --------------------------
16:20:42 Game Start detected
16:21:24 Webgrabber: Player true
16:21:24 No Profile, skip
16:21:24 Webgrabber: Opponent false
16:21:24 PRE-Trigger done
16:35:4 --------------------------
16:35:4 Game Start detected
16:35:46 Webgrabber: Player true
16:35:46 No Profile, skip
16:35:46 Webgrabber: Opponent false
16:35:46 PRE-Trigger done
16:47:56 --------------------------
16:47:56 Game Start detected
16:48:39 Webgrabber: Player true
16:48:39 No Profile, skip
16:48:39 Webgrabber: Opponent false
16:48:39 PRE-Trigger done
17:5:29 --------------------------



korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-21 00:04:16
February 20 2013 23:24 GMT
#2551
On February 21 2013 07:06 Braunz wrote:
Hello i was just wondering if this was normal..
+ Show Spoiler +

9:21:14 MMR-Stats 8.1
9:21:14 --------INIT START--------
9:21:14 OK File-Encoding UTF-8
9:21:14 OK Loading DB
9:21:15 OK DB up to date!
9:21:15 OK Settings loaded!
9:21:15 No Data Found!
9:21:15 Loading Archive...
9:21:15 No Data Found!
9:21:15 OK Triggers ready!
9:21:15 OK Gameobserver: ready!
9:21:19 OK: Program is up to date
9:21:19 --------INIT END--------
9:22:30 --------------------------
9:22:30 Game Start detected
9:23:13 Webgrabber: Player true
9:23:13 No Profile, skip
9:23:13 Webgrabber: Opponent false
9:23:13 PRE-Trigger done
9:46:13 --------------------------
9:46:13 Game Start detected
9:46:55 Webgrabber: Player true
9:46:55 No Profile, skip
9:46:55 Webgrabber: Opponent false
9:46:55 PRE-Trigger done
9:54:55 --------------------------
9:54:55 Game Start detected
9:55:38 Webgrabber: Player true
9:55:38 No Profile, skip
9:55:38 Webgrabber: Opponent false
9:55:38 PRE-Trigger done
10:22:58 --------------------------
10:22:58 Game Start detected
10:23:40 Webgrabber: Player true
10:23:40 No Profile, skip
10:23:40 Webgrabber: Opponent false
10:23:40 PRE-Trigger done
10:38:40 --------------------------
10:38:40 Game Start detected
10:39:22 Webgrabber: Player true
10:39:22 No Profile, skip
10:39:22 Webgrabber: Opponent false
10:39:22 PRE-Trigger done
13:45:23 --------------------------
13:45:23 Game Start detected
13:46:5 Webgrabber: Player true
13:46:5 No Profile, skip
13:46:5 Webgrabber: Opponent false
13:46:5 PRE-Trigger done
13:48:45 --------------------------
13:48:45 Game Start detected
13:49:28 Webgrabber: Player true
13:49:28 No Profile, skip
13:49:28 Webgrabber: Opponent false
13:49:28 PRE-Trigger done
13:53:8 --------------------------
13:53:8 Game Start detected
13:53:50 Webgrabber: Player true
13:53:50 No Profile, skip
13:53:50 Webgrabber: Opponent false
13:53:50 PRE-Trigger done
14:21:50 --------------------------
14:21:50 Game Start detected
14:22:32 Webgrabber: Player true
14:22:32 No Profile, skip
14:22:32 Webgrabber: Opponent false
14:22:32 PRE-Trigger done
14:39:2 --------------------------
14:39:2 Game Start detected
14:39:45 Webgrabber: Player true
14:39:45 No Profile, skip
14:39:45 Webgrabber: Opponent false
14:39:45 PRE-Trigger done
14:56:55 --------------------------
14:56:55 Game Start detected
14:57:37 Webgrabber: Player true
14:57:37 No Profile, skip
14:57:37 Webgrabber: Opponent false
14:57:37 PRE-Trigger done
15:2:47 --------------------------
15:2:47 Game Start detected
15:3:29 Webgrabber: Player true
15:3:29 No Profile, skip
15:3:29 Webgrabber: Opponent false
15:3:29 PRE-Trigger done
15:20:59 --------------------------
15:20:59 Game Start detected
15:21:42 Webgrabber: Player true
15:21:42 No Profile, skip
15:21:42 Webgrabber: Opponent false
15:21:42 PRE-Trigger done
16:20:42 --------------------------
16:20:42 Game Start detected
16:21:24 Webgrabber: Player true
16:21:24 No Profile, skip
16:21:24 Webgrabber: Opponent false
16:21:24 PRE-Trigger done
16:35:4 --------------------------
16:35:4 Game Start detected
16:35:46 Webgrabber: Player true
16:35:46 No Profile, skip
16:35:46 Webgrabber: Opponent false
16:35:46 PRE-Trigger done
16:47:56 --------------------------
16:47:56 Game Start detected
16:48:39 Webgrabber: Player true
16:48:39 No Profile, skip
16:48:39 Webgrabber: Opponent false
16:48:39 PRE-Trigger done
17:5:29 --------------------------




It is normal as memory reader has not been updated. See original post. & message couple of posts back.

I did _blindly_ some of the implementation regarding unranked detection & bonus pool changes on Wednesday (EU timezone). But haven't had time to check how sc2gears handles the new replays (it crashed with one test sample). Dakota_Fanning gave an update that he is working with the new version of sc2gears. It is probably better to wait for that than replacing game ending detection & some other stuff provided by the sc2gears.

Also update regarding the bonus pool mechanic. Unlike I hoped earlier, Blizzard seems to hide the actual points you lose when you lose & have bonus pool available. This causes that most of the cases, when memory scanner is off & opponent loses, cannot be used for MMR calculation. Thankfully there are still some cases when opponent wins that can potentially be used for MMR calculation if memory scanner is off. If the scanner is on, the bonus pool mechanic change should not cause problems regarding the future MMR tool implementation.

Unranked mode will cause some problems as Blizzard does not separate which games are unranked & ranked in match history. I think I figured out one way to detect it, but there will likely be false positives in some cases where match data has to be thrown away (if your data) as it is potentially unranked game or marked as invalid (if opponents data). The new replay format _might_ also provide info regarding the game mode (requires support from sc2gears), which would be helpful regarding the implementation.

Also the source for new web profiles is mostly the same as before patch. No changes to webgrabber was needed. Also the lower league bonus left is shown correctly on NA & EU profiles (haven't checked if they have fixed it in SEA profiles yet).

But there is still no timetable on when new version of MMR tool will be available (personally have limited time before weekend). Also even if InfCereal and I manage to get the changes done faster in MMR tool side we might need to wait until sc2gears is updated.


Edit: the bonus pool accumulation rate may have been increased for the lower leagues (even if there was not supposed to be any changes regarding that before HotS). Not time to check into this now, but may cause problems.
Braunz
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada13 Posts
February 20 2013 23:33 GMT
#2552
Alright, thanks korona, there was 128 pages and wasnt able to look though the entire thing for my problem.
DepZ
Profile Joined March 2011
France1 Post
February 21 2013 00:35 GMT
#2553
Hi, First , verybig thanks for the tool. Even if I am a really weak player, it helps me a lot.

Next, I post that notice because I think that there is a problem with [] Clan and the recognition of your profil. I entered my infos, it worked well, joined a clan a got that statement in my log :

0:57:43 Webgrabber: Player true 0:57:43 No Profile, skip 0:57:43 Webgrabber: Opponent false 0:57:43 PRE-Trigger done 1:6:43 -------------------------- 1:6:43 Game Start detected 1:6:43 Reading Memory ...OK 1:6:43 ERROR: Cant find Memory-Profile in Active-Profiles! Perhaps its just a custom game...

any informations ?

PS : (I updated my informations with battlenet link after joining the clan but the page doesn't show my entire nickname i.e []xxx but simply xxx.)

InfCereal
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1759 Posts
February 21 2013 01:16 GMT
#2554
On February 21 2013 09:35 DepZ wrote:
Hi, First , verybig thanks for the tool. Even if I am a really weak player, it helps me a lot.

Next, I post that notice because I think that there is a problem with [] Clan and the recognition of your profil. I entered my infos, it worked well, joined a clan a got that statement in my log :

0:57:43 Webgrabber: Player true 0:57:43 No Profile, skip 0:57:43 Webgrabber: Opponent false 0:57:43 PRE-Trigger done 1:6:43 -------------------------- 1:6:43 Game Start detected 1:6:43 Reading Memory ...OK 1:6:43 ERROR: Cant find Memory-Profile in Active-Profiles! Perhaps its just a custom game...

any informations ?

PS : (I updated my informations with battlenet link after joining the clan but the page doesn't show my entire nickname i.e []xxx but simply xxx.)



The program isn't working for 2.0.4 yet.
Cereal
Braunz
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada13 Posts
February 21 2013 02:34 GMT
#2555
After the end of a game, i would always hear "game good". Is that because its a "100% quality game"? I know that its not working atm because of 2.0.4. I was just wondering if it will be good to go after it gets updated.
InfCereal
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1759 Posts
February 21 2013 02:51 GMT
#2556
On February 21 2013 11:34 Braunz wrote:
After the end of a game, i would always hear "game good". Is that because its a "100% quality game"? I know that its not working atm because of 2.0.4. I was just wondering if it will be good to go after it gets updated.


To my knowledge, the program doesn't have any sounds.

Are you sure that isn't sc2gears successfully saving the replay?
Cereal
Braunz
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada13 Posts
February 21 2013 06:10 GMT
#2557
On February 21 2013 11:51 InfCereal wrote:
To my knowledge, the program doesn't have any sounds.
Are you sure that isn't sc2gears successfully saving the replay?


It says "Game good", and "Replay Saved",
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-22 00:13:08
February 21 2013 23:46 GMT
#2558
Blizzard has changed the bonus pool accumulation ratios. There is a display bug in all web profiles (have checked NA & EU). On website the max bonus pool is still calculated based on the old ratio, but the new actual accumulation ratio is much faster. This will be problematic even if Blizzard fixes the display bug on web profiles as the new ratios are unknown & it is unknown at which time it started to accumulate faster for each server. Hopefully I can figure out the new ratios, but not sure how this case will be handled...

5 days ago they said: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/7923992934#1 :
"This pair of adjustments will not come online simultaneously. The first (Bonus Pool expenditure rate doubled) will be a result of the patch, and the second (Bonus Pool accumulation rate doubled) will come with the Season roll, which should happen when Heart of the Swarm is launched."

The accumulation rate was changed even if it was supposed to happen during the season roll. But not sure if it was doubled yet.
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12240 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-22 03:43:22
February 22 2013 03:41 GMT
#2559
On February 22 2013 08:46 korona wrote:
Blizzard has changed the bonus pool accumulation ratios. There is a display bug in all web profiles (have checked NA & EU). On website the max bonus pool is still calculated based on the old ratio, but the new actual accumulation ratio is much faster. This will be problematic even if Blizzard fixes the display bug on web profiles as the new ratios are unknown & it is unknown at which time it started to accumulate faster for each server. Hopefully I can figure out the new ratios, but not sure how this case will be handled...

5 days ago they said: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/7923992934#1 :
"This pair of adjustments will not come online simultaneously. The first (Bonus Pool expenditure rate doubled) will be a result of the patch, and the second (Bonus Pool accumulation rate doubled) will come with the Season roll, which should happen when Heart of the Swarm is launched."

The accumulation rate was changed even if it was supposed to happen during the season roll. But not sure if it was doubled yet.


Hm, are you sure? I just looked in-game and changed my system clock and compared some values.

My friend is 1v1 Diamond, today he has 147 remaining bonus pool and in one week he'll have 200 (difference of 53 [probably still 52.2]).
I looked up a 1v1 Master player, today he has 616 remaining bonus pool and in one week he'll have 706 (difference of 90).
In my 2v2 Master team, today I have 410 remaining bonus pool and in one week I'll have 470 (difference of 60, 66% of the 1v1 rate).
In my 3v3 Diamond team, today I have 126 remaining bonus pool and in one week I'll have 143 (difference of 17, 33% of the 1v1 rate).

Everything appears to be unchanged as far as I can tell.
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korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-22 06:18:08
February 22 2013 04:52 GMT
#2560
On February 22 2013 12:41 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2013 08:46 korona wrote:
Blizzard has changed the bonus pool accumulation ratios. There is a display bug in all web profiles (have checked NA & EU). On website the max bonus pool is still calculated based on the old ratio, but the new actual accumulation ratio is much faster. This will be problematic even if Blizzard fixes the display bug on web profiles as the new ratios are unknown & it is unknown at which time it started to accumulate faster for each server. Hopefully I can figure out the new ratios, but not sure how this case will be handled...

5 days ago they said: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/7923992934#1 :
"This pair of adjustments will not come online simultaneously. The first (Bonus Pool expenditure rate doubled) will be a result of the patch, and the second (Bonus Pool accumulation rate doubled) will come with the Season roll, which should happen when Heart of the Swarm is launched."

The accumulation rate was changed even if it was supposed to happen during the season roll. But not sure if it was doubled yet.


Hm, are you sure? I just looked in-game and changed my system clock and compared some values.

My friend is 1v1 Diamond, today he has 147 remaining bonus pool and in one week he'll have 200 (difference of 53 [probably still 52.2]).
I looked up a 1v1 Master player, today he has 616 remaining bonus pool and in one week he'll have 706 (difference of 90).
In my 2v2 Master team, today I have 410 remaining bonus pool and in one week I'll have 470 (difference of 60, 66% of the 1v1 rate).
In my 3v3 Diamond team, today I have 126 remaining bonus pool and in one week I'll have 143 (difference of 17, 33% of the 1v1 rate).

Everything appears to be unchanged as far as I can tell.

Wrote answer as PM. Had not looked at values from this night when wrote my earlier message to this thread. The display bug is on web profile side, but the accumulation rate _might_ be the same. If this assumption is correct, then Blizzard would have moved the starting point of bonus pool calculation to earlier point of time (on EU server roughly 23.5 hours earlier). And this matches to all data that I had collected during 18 h period.

--> accumulation rate is the same, but starting point has moved to ~23.5 h earlier (EU). + display bug on web profile side (values based on old starting point). Likely something similar for NA server.
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