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On May 02 2012 21:39 Jurassic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 20:36 eviltomahawk wrote:On May 02 2012 20:25 Rainfall7711 wrote:On May 02 2012 20:18 eviltomahawk wrote:On May 02 2012 20:09 Rainfall7711 wrote:On May 02 2012 19:56 Sawamura wrote:On May 02 2012 19:51 Rainfall7711 wrote:On May 02 2012 19:46 eviltomahawk wrote:On May 02 2012 19:44 Rainfall7711 wrote:On May 02 2012 19:30 Sawamura wrote:[quote] There is but I don't have time to post it for you . Lazy bum  Claim something exists, won't provide links to it. Great argument you have there. I mean just do it? How hard is it? You have 0 credibility otherwise. Here is one of the articles of you're so eager for proof: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=323013¤tpage=77#1540Again, it's mostly speculation, but it makes logical sense. I've read all of these articles about the switch and no where does it say the majority of BW pros are depressed and unhappy about it. Nowhere does it say they're all going to quit either. That you have got to ask this guy .. On May 02 2012 16:40 sCCrooked wrote:On May 02 2012 16:35 Siffer wrote:On May 02 2012 16:29 sCCrooked wrote:On May 02 2012 16:13 Snowbear wrote:
People tend to forget that SC2 games are getting better and better. Some games even provide a BW-feeling. There's so many people who would flat-out disagree with that second part, its not funny. You should hear what the BW pros said about sc2 and how many of them are incredibly depressed at this news, and even more are leaving esports altogether. Korea is going to keep rejecting this sad excuse for a successor no matter how much Blizzard/GOM try to shove it on us. Take off your blinders. SC2 is evolving into quite a good game. Games were very boring and unimaginative during beta/early release; however, we are starting to see more and more complex games at the highest level. What are BW pros currently saying about SC2? I am not interested in what they had to say during beta. What are they saying now that they are playing and practicing the game? I know that Flash, for example, is actually taking a liking to SC2. Uh... Not really. A large majority of BW pros are upset or planning on leaving. This is all recent released statements and tweets from their channels, not to mention real life statements from my own progamer friends. Take it from someone who is actually here and know them personally, not just from watching them on streams. Because according to him he is pretty close with some bw pro gamers and they have already disclose some distaste to the switch and retirement is actually an option for them if they don't like the transition. LOL. So some guys claims all that and you just believe it without question? I'm sure he talks with Flash and co daily to gather their thoughts. We'll see soon how many just retire from being depressed. Also even if they do, there's a ton of b teamers and other people who didn't get the limelight who are loving the switch. They will replace anyone lost. But what if it's a big name player that retires? What if it's Jaedong or Stork or even Flash that quits because he doesn't like the game? No amount of talented, up-and-coming B-teamers is going to replace those losses. The organizers are banking on the star-power of their top players and teams to help facilitate the transition, and losing anyone would be a huge blow to this transition. It's possible but by name i think we know Flash will play SC2. The others probably will also. Not all but most i think. Also the best BW players may not be the best SC2 players. I know there's a ton of hype about Flash and all those and he has a good chance of being one of the best. But people just calm down just a bit, it will be a while before he's at the top GSL player level. But it's initially not going to be a matter of how they perform but a matter of if their legion of fans will follow them in the transition despite how they perform. The big names have a big number of fans. If they severely underperform or quit, then what happens to those fans? SC2 needs all the Korean fans that it can get if it wants the transition to be successful. The organizers are hoping that fans of the players and teams will follow them through the transition to become fans of the actual game, so any hiccup in this process would be a huge blow. There is a ton of PR fluff going around, so we may never really know their true thoughts on SC2 other than through speculation and reading between the lines whenever they talk about it. Read the article about the BW coaches talking about SC2: http://notyuna.parkjiyeon.net/post/21468962777/sc2-discussion-with-kespa-progaming-team-coachesIt seems that players are enjoying playing SC2, some of them would have retired even if they had to keep playing BW.
Could be a lot of PR fluff. Or not. Nothing is certain. KeSPA players and teams are good at controlling this PR stuff. I think everyone wants the SC2 transition to succeed for the sake of their careers in esports lest another game like LoL or DotA2 take over what was once the domain of Starcraft, so they're not openly shit-talking SC2 to help this transition along.
I want this transition to succeed. I think most everyone is hoping for success. SC2 becomes successful in Korea. Blizzard improves SC2 to become better than BW. SC2 becomes even more successful around the world. Or at least that's the best case scenario.
If it fails, then that would be the worst case. It would be almost impossible to fall back on BW considering the amount invested into SC2 for what could be a long period of time considering there are still 2 xpacks on the way. Starcraft would just be supplanted by another, possibly lesser game, and most of the pro players would drift away into obscurity after retiring from the anomaly that was competitive Korean Starcraft. No one wants this to happen, so a lot is riding on how much Blizzard can improve the game, how much SC2 can take hold in Korea and around the world, and how much better than game can be with this influx of skill and professionalism and money.
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On May 02 2012 21:31 vOdToasT wrote:
Esports will never be legitimate with shit like this. I felt like we actually had a chance with StarCraft. It lasted for so many years, and became deeper the longer time went on, like Chess. Chess now compared to hundreds of years ago is so different. Imagine what StarCraft could have become if it had lasted as long.
But no, we had to change game again. Esports will always be regarded as a fucking joke compared to normal sports, and games like chess, as long as this is the way it operates, and unless StarCraft 2 becomes as good as StarCraft 1 with the last expansion, StarCraft 2 will eventually be replaced by another game as well. Hell, even if it does become good apparently that's not enough, as we saw with StarCraft 1. There will never be a stable esports industry like football or basketball.
If chess now is a completely different game, what's the difference to SC:BW/SC2? It's just the name, really. Esports is barely 15 years old. It took hundreds of years for games like soccer to get everybody to use the same rules.
The other thing is that you really can't compare video games with a traditional game like chess.
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THAT IS AMAZING !
great news for all of SC2 fans ! I'm just wondering about that "pro" status, how will that work, what requirements will the players have to meet to become a pro in the eyes of KESPA.
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On May 02 2012 21:53 Integra wrote:
On a sidenote; let's see how well lol fares now when some of the biggest companies within esports are promoting the same game. Any bets on just how fast SC2 will become bigger?
EDIT: regarding Broodwar, they have to have some kind of farewell cermony before they shut down Broodwar for good, would like to see that T.T
I still doubt that it will become bigger than LoL. It has the potential to, but LoL is just so much more accessible to your average player. LoL probably won't be overtaken until it actually dies out in popularity in general.
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On May 02 2012 22:18 Woony wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 21:31 vOdToasT wrote:
Esports will never be legitimate with shit like this. I felt like we actually had a chance with StarCraft. It lasted for so many years, and became deeper the longer time went on, like Chess. Chess now compared to hundreds of years ago is so different. Imagine what StarCraft could have become if it had lasted as long.
But no, we had to change game again. Esports will always be regarded as a fucking joke compared to normal sports, and games like chess, as long as this is the way it operates, and unless StarCraft 2 becomes as good as StarCraft 1 with the last expansion, StarCraft 2 will eventually be replaced by another game as well. Hell, even if it does become good apparently that's not enough, as we saw with StarCraft 1. There will never be a stable esports industry like football or basketball. If chess now is a completely different game, what's the difference to SC:BW/SC2? It's just the name, really. Esports is barely 15 years old. It took hundreds of years for games like soccer to get everybody to use the same rules. The other thing is that you really can't compare video games with a traditional game like chess.
When you change game, you reset the development of strategy. And I never said chess is a completely different game now compared to the past, I said it is " so different " because of strategic development. Like pro Brood War was different 10 years ago.
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this is disgusting. BW will always have a small but dedicated fanbase. if it is possible to both games to coexist as they say, then why phase it out by season 3? having both games in the league is a win-win for most people.
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This is a great loss. I don't hold anything against kespa or ogn for trying to stay relevant in the changing times, but a full transition away from BW has me feeling like a good friend just died.
For the sake of e-sports, I want to see SC2 succeed and become a better spectator sport. I just wish it wasn't done by climbing over the still warm corpse of BW.
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Edit: Yeah i agree with the whole why kill BW so fast thing though
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Who will cast for OGN??? MAYBE SUPERDANIELMAN?!?!?!
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This is depressing as hell.
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On May 02 2012 22:52 DataMiner wrote:
Who will cast for OGN??? MAYBE SUPERDANIELMAN?!?!?!
I think its Moletrap?
I, personally, would prefer Rotti or Day9, but well, I guess we have to wait
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KeSPA is finally recognizing the rest of the world has tournaments? Hell its about time...
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It will improve somehow the whole e-sports thing and grow international. Sadly it will be over the dead BW body, and I hope Blizzard fixes somehow at least the biggest problems that SCII has to date.
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Great news!
Hyped to see more top level SC2 tournaments!
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Tbh I'd rather have them showing as live Korean cast and the releasing VODs with substitles in english. Much better imo than any of English casting we have
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Dear intrigue, this one is for you buddy
PS: Boxer, we love you!
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