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On April 30 2012 20:11 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 20:03 Vei wrote:
^truth
god DAMN THIS IS the most exciting thing I ever I had to stop myself from all capsing this entire post :@~~
Looking sooo forward to flash in 4 months and flash in 1 year hhnnnng After OSL, hopefully Flash can spend more time in SC2. He is now at his peak of his prime and established his name in BW and has earned so much money at just 19 years old. Now its time for him to dominate SC2. But i dunno whether it is a wise choice though. Money is a huge factor though. The salary which he earned now is WAY WAY MORE than he will earned in SC2 if he fully switch over. BW has been around forever and more established and SC2 is still fresh and new. Personally, I hope he will fully switch over but its highly unlikely i think.
Why would KT lower his salary just because he plays SC2 instead of BW? Also, it's more than likely that all BW pros will switch over or retire - it's actually pretty safe that they will. Have you even followed the discussions the last couple weeks?
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On April 30 2012 20:25 Gosi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 20:11 FakeDeath wrote:On April 30 2012 20:03 Vei wrote:
^truth
god DAMN THIS IS the most exciting thing I ever I had to stop myself from all capsing this entire post :@~~
Looking sooo forward to flash in 4 months and flash in 1 year hhnnnng After OSL, hopefully Flash can spend more time in SC2. He is now at his peak of his prime and established his name in BW and has earned so much money at just 19 years old. Now its time for him to dominate SC2. But i dunno whether it is a wise choice though. Money is a huge factor though. The salary which he earned now is WAY WAY MORE than he will earned in SC2 if he fully switch over. BW has been around forever and more established and SC2 is still fresh and new. Personally, I hope he will fully switch over but its highly unlikely i think. I don't think his salary will be affected at all since KeSPA and the KT team is switching aswell and he has his contract.
I said if he fully switch over to SC2(means stopped playing BW and played SC2 full time),will they give him the same salary as they did in BW?
It's still not a guarantee that he will dominate SC2 yet.
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On April 30 2012 20:32 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 20:25 Gosi wrote:On April 30 2012 20:11 FakeDeath wrote:On April 30 2012 20:03 Vei wrote:
^truth
god DAMN THIS IS the most exciting thing I ever I had to stop myself from all capsing this entire post :@~~
Looking sooo forward to flash in 4 months and flash in 1 year hhnnnng After OSL, hopefully Flash can spend more time in SC2. He is now at his peak of his prime and established his name in BW and has earned so much money at just 19 years old. Now its time for him to dominate SC2. But i dunno whether it is a wise choice though. Money is a huge factor though. The salary which he earned now is WAY WAY MORE than he will earned in SC2 if he fully switch over. BW has been around forever and more established and SC2 is still fresh and new. Personally, I hope he will fully switch over but its highly unlikely i think. I don't think his salary will be affected at all since KeSPA and the KT team is switching aswell and he has his contract. I said if he fully switch over to SC2(means stopped playing BW and played SC2 full time),will they give him the same salary as they did in BW? It's still not a guarantee that he will dominate SC2 yet. I think it is a matter of player plays for team, not player plays certain game..
That said, it is indeed not certain that the current height is sustainable (in terms of popularity or results), due to switching games..
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Judging by some of these comments we'll might as well give all SC2 winnings to Flash right now.
He has huge potential in SC2, but it's still only potential untill he starts crushing nerds.
If the BW pros enter SC2 it'll be at HotS as it'll level the playing field somewha. This will make pro HotS awesome by default.
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On April 30 2012 20:25 Gosi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 20:11 FakeDeath wrote:On April 30 2012 20:03 Vei wrote:
^truth
god DAMN THIS IS the most exciting thing I ever I had to stop myself from all capsing this entire post :@~~
Looking sooo forward to flash in 4 months and flash in 1 year hhnnnng After OSL, hopefully Flash can spend more time in SC2. He is now at his peak of his prime and established his name in BW and has earned so much money at just 19 years old. Now its time for him to dominate SC2. But i dunno whether it is a wise choice though. Money is a huge factor though. The salary which he earned now is WAY WAY MORE than he will earned in SC2 if he fully switch over. BW has been around forever and more established and SC2 is still fresh and new. Personally, I hope he will fully switch over but its highly unlikely i think. I don't think his salary will be affected at all since KeSPA and the KT team is switching aswell and he has his contract.
And even if, that's perfectly ok. He is most certainly the last generation of prime players with such a high salary in BW, considering BW is one day not gonna be here anymore. It can't always go up or stay up if the industry around you is in struggle. A player has a certain value, yes, but that value depends on what quality brand exposure he can bring to his sponsors. Even if it goes down, it should go up if SC2 succeeds in korea and he manages to be successful.
And about that. I'm one of those guys here who quit playing & watching SC2 because of various reasons, but I will watch Flash and the rest of the players because I'm very interested to see how they are doing. For one, these are teams I watched for so many years and two, I just like the players. To me this is no SC2 vs BW. It's simply watching my favorite players and teams.
I sincerely hope for their well being that they enjoy SC2 and this project is successful. It's just something you wish for these kids who you know live a very special life in a very special environment. Something we never had before. And it would be great if they are able to entertain, compete and live on their dream, regardless of what game they play.
So regardless of what I think about SC2. I will watch them, and I will cheer for them.
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On April 30 2012 20:32 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 20:25 Gosi wrote:On April 30 2012 20:11 FakeDeath wrote:On April 30 2012 20:03 Vei wrote:
^truth
god DAMN THIS IS the most exciting thing I ever I had to stop myself from all capsing this entire post :@~~
Looking sooo forward to flash in 4 months and flash in 1 year hhnnnng After OSL, hopefully Flash can spend more time in SC2. He is now at his peak of his prime and established his name in BW and has earned so much money at just 19 years old. Now its time for him to dominate SC2. But i dunno whether it is a wise choice though. Money is a huge factor though. The salary which he earned now is WAY WAY MORE than he will earned in SC2 if he fully switch over. BW has been around forever and more established and SC2 is still fresh and new. Personally, I hope he will fully switch over but its highly unlikely i think. I don't think his salary will be affected at all since KeSPA and the KT team is switching aswell and he has his contract. I said if he fully switch over to SC2(means stopped playing BW and played SC2 full time),will they give him the same salary as they did in BW? It's still not a guarantee that he will dominate SC2 yet.
A lot of eSports salaries aren't performance based.
From my knowledge BW teams give incentives and bonuses for wins, but that's what those are. They're separated from salaries for a reason.
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holy shit, this is gonna be epic
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Its kinda funny because you know people are going to be jumping to conclusions after his first couple of broadcasted games. TBH I think it will be a lot like when MVP switched, there are many similarities.
MVP first switched and received a lot of hype as a practice monster ECT but it took a while to translate into actual results. I remember watching his games vs Zenio in Open S2 where he was the first person I had ever seen micro marines against banelings like that. This was in Ro32 so even before the MKP/Kyrix games where MKP became famous for his marine micro.
You could tell the guy was going to be amazing but he still lost that series and ended up losing to Choya in the Ro8 next season. Then after a few months, he came into GSL Jan and dominated for basically a year.
Obviously Flash is a better BW player than MVP by a lot and he will still have a full BW team training environment to help him so its going to be interesting. I still think it will take a while for him to really dominate though.
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On April 30 2012 21:22 ElusoryX wrote:
Flash vs Mvp soon!
After those Korean doctors fixed Mvp's wrists though.
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On April 30 2012 20:32 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 20:25 Gosi wrote:On April 30 2012 20:11 FakeDeath wrote:On April 30 2012 20:03 Vei wrote:
^truth
god DAMN THIS IS the most exciting thing I ever I had to stop myself from all capsing this entire post :@~~
Looking sooo forward to flash in 4 months and flash in 1 year hhnnnng After OSL, hopefully Flash can spend more time in SC2. He is now at his peak of his prime and established his name in BW and has earned so much money at just 19 years old. Now its time for him to dominate SC2. But i dunno whether it is a wise choice though. Money is a huge factor though. The salary which he earned now is WAY WAY MORE than he will earned in SC2 if he fully switch over. BW has been around forever and more established and SC2 is still fresh and new. Personally, I hope he will fully switch over but its highly unlikely i think. I don't think his salary will be affected at all since KeSPA and the KT team is switching aswell and he has his contract. I said if he fully switch over to SC2(means stopped playing BW and played SC2 full time),will they give him the same salary as they did in BW? It's still not a guarantee that he will dominate SC2 yet.
I dont think you understand the level of how good Flash is. All you probally hearing is "yea he is the best bw player atm". But reality is, he is known for his decision making because whatever the opponent does, he knows exactly how to stop it and get 1-2 steps ahead (He isnt known for number 1 mechanics, but for decision making). How do you beat a guy who knows "everything". The guy who always knows how to deal with things and makes the BEST possible decision making? He is practically not human, like a computer totally designed to give you the best decision possible to deal with things. He knows the answer to like 99% of things. Thats what makes him good.
If SC2 is a game that lets easier mechanics but heavier on the decision making part, there is no doubt flash will do GREAT at sc2. The question is how good he will be because its alot easier to execute (Because everyone else can do the same as well).
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On April 30 2012 21:47 OpTiKDream wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 20:32 FakeDeath wrote:On April 30 2012 20:25 Gosi wrote:On April 30 2012 20:11 FakeDeath wrote:On April 30 2012 20:03 Vei wrote:
^truth
god DAMN THIS IS the most exciting thing I ever I had to stop myself from all capsing this entire post :@~~
Looking sooo forward to flash in 4 months and flash in 1 year hhnnnng After OSL, hopefully Flash can spend more time in SC2. He is now at his peak of his prime and established his name in BW and has earned so much money at just 19 years old. Now its time for him to dominate SC2. But i dunno whether it is a wise choice though. Money is a huge factor though. The salary which he earned now is WAY WAY MORE than he will earned in SC2 if he fully switch over. BW has been around forever and more established and SC2 is still fresh and new. Personally, I hope he will fully switch over but its highly unlikely i think. I don't think his salary will be affected at all since KeSPA and the KT team is switching aswell and he has his contract. I said if he fully switch over to SC2(means stopped playing BW and played SC2 full time),will they give him the same salary as they did in BW? It's still not a guarantee that he will dominate SC2 yet. I dont think you understand the level of how good Flash is. All you probally hearing is "yea he is the best bw player atm". But reality is, he is known for his decision making because whatever the opponent does, he knows exactly how to stop it and get 1-2 steps ahead (He isnt known for number 1 mechanics, but for decision making). How do you beat a guy who knows "everything". The guy who always knows how to deal with things and makes the BEST possible decision making? He is practically not human, like a computer totally designed to give you the best decision possible to deal with things. He knows the answer to like 99% of things. Thats what makes him good. If SC2 is a game that lets easier mechanics but heavier on the decision making part, there is no doubt flash will do GREAT at sc2. The question is how good he will be because its alot easier to execute (Because everyone else can do the same as well).
First of all, to understand and be "step ahead of everyone" you need to know the game fully. It takes alot of time to understand SC2, and it took Flash many years to get that good at BW. Also coaches even said that those who were bad at BW were good at SC2 etc so BW skill does not directly translate in to SC2. Many players also have said that BW and SC2 are very different game.
Flash probably will be another very good SC2 player but it is not quaranteed that he will dominate the game like in BW. This is also because of easier mechanics and the game in general is faster than BW so it makes it easier for everyone to get more wins.
Many people here talk about that players are in their "peak" but they dont understand what this "peak" means. It does not mean that they are at their physical peak perfomance point, but it means that their results are at peak. Why did Boxer and other once best players of the BW started to fall? Because simply better players entered in the game and outplayed them.
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On April 30 2012 21:56 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Flash probably will be another very good SC2 player but it is not quaranteed that he will dominate the game like in BW. This is also because of easier mechanics and the game in general is faster than BW so it makes it easier for everyone to get more wins.
People always say this but can never back it up with statistics. It would seem like tlpd win rates of the top top BW pros and SC2 pros are very similar. It would seem like the best still win...
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On April 30 2012 22:07 boxman22 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 21:56 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Flash probably will be another very good SC2 player but it is not quaranteed that he will dominate the game like in BW. This is also because of easier mechanics and the game in general is faster than BW so it makes it easier for everyone to get more wins. People always say this but can never back it up with statistics. It would seem like tlpd win rates of the top top BW pros and SC2 pros are very similar. It would seem like the best still win...
What? Was MKP or MVP or whatever winrates in bw lately same as his current peak?
You are talking about two different things.
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On April 30 2012 22:10 Mongolbonjwa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 22:07 boxman22 wrote:On April 30 2012 21:56 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Flash probably will be another very good SC2 player but it is not quaranteed that he will dominate the game like in BW. This is also because of easier mechanics and the game in general is faster than BW so it makes it easier for everyone to get more wins. People always say this but can never back it up with statistics. It would seem like tlpd win rates of the top top BW pros and SC2 pros are very similar. It would seem like the best still win... What? Was MKP or MVP or whatever winrates in bw lately same as his current peak?
no he means the best in bw have the same winrates as the best in sc2
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On April 30 2012 22:13 Acer1791 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 22:10 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On April 30 2012 22:07 boxman22 wrote:On April 30 2012 21:56 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Flash probably will be another very good SC2 player but it is not quaranteed that he will dominate the game like in BW. This is also because of easier mechanics and the game in general is faster than BW so it makes it easier for everyone to get more wins. People always say this but can never back it up with statistics. It would seem like tlpd win rates of the top top BW pros and SC2 pros are very similar. It would seem like the best still win... What? Was MKP or MVP or whatever winrates in bw lately same as his current peak? no he means the best in bw have the same winrates as the best in sc2
Of course they are similar because they kinda dominate the sc2 currently. But it actually supports what I just said in my previous post. Those who were not so good at BW are now very good at SC2.
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On April 30 2012 22:14 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
no he means the best in bw have the same winrates as the best in sc2
Of course they are similar because they kinda dominate the sc2 currently. But it actually supports what I just said in my previous post. Those who were not so good at BW are now very good at SC2.[/QUOTE]
No you said: "so it makes it easier for everyone to get more wins."
I'm saying that's bullshit. Try and back it up with stats. People who are good at mechanics and decision-making win. There is no one anywhere near the skill ceiling yet and I don't think there ever will be.
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Hope he gets good fast and starts smashing the scene into tiny bits ^^
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On April 30 2012 22:14 Mongolbonjwa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 22:13 Acer1791 wrote:On April 30 2012 22:10 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On April 30 2012 22:07 boxman22 wrote:On April 30 2012 21:56 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Flash probably will be another very good SC2 player but it is not quaranteed that he will dominate the game like in BW. This is also because of easier mechanics and the game in general is faster than BW so it makes it easier for everyone to get more wins. People always say this but can never back it up with statistics. It would seem like tlpd win rates of the top top BW pros and SC2 pros are very similar. It would seem like the best still win... What? Was MKP or MVP or whatever winrates in bw lately same as his current peak? no he means the best in bw have the same winrates as the best in sc2 Of course they are similar because they kinda dominate the sc2 currently. But it actually supports what I just said in my previous post. Those who were not so good at BW are now very good at SC2.
well nobody knows if the top of bw will dominate sc2 too, but there is the fact ( i think^^) that you can have the same winrates as in bw at least.
and till now there is no bw topstar who has failed i think, could be wrong though
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I dont think we are seeing anything as stabilized in SC2 in tournament results as in BW where we see Flash constantly beating everyone. GSL championship players wildly change currently, and other tournaments are even better examples of that. It seems currently, that everyone can beat everyone in SC2. And the foreigner vs korean gap is not so hopeless at all.
In BW, there is more trust that Flash will actually win the tournament where he enters.
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