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On April 30 2012 03:02 ppshchik wrote:
Yup, just hype Flash just like you guys hype ForGG.
*ForGG gets into Code S* OMG ForGG is going to win GSL soon!
*ForGG gets owned in Code S* ForGG is way past his prime, wait till Flash switches over!
*Flash plays SC2* OMG Flash is going to win GSL soon!
*If Flash gets owned in SC2* SC2 is a stupidly easy game that does not reward skill!
Flash is and always was on a whole different level than ForGG...
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On April 30 2012 03:13 Tump wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 03:02 ppshchik wrote:
Yup, just hype Flash just like you guys hype ForGG.
*ForGG gets into Code S* OMG ForGG is going to win GSL soon!
*ForGG gets owned in Code S* ForGG is way past his prime, wait till Flash switches over!
*Flash plays SC2* OMG Flash is going to win GSL soon!
*If Flash gets owned in SC2* SC2 is a stupidly easy game that does not reward skill! Flash is and always was on a whole different level than everybody...
Fixed that for you 
Looking forward to seeing thos eplayers join the scene!
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I hate these kinds of discussions.
Let's not overhype him. Everybody in the current scene has like two years ahead of him and to expect so much from him when he debuts is kind of unreasonable. And I hope the sc2 newbies will respect him as the god he is in BW and not insult him.
I'm such a big fan of Flash and it'll break my heart to see people talk about him like they do about forgg.
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A lot of people in this thread forgot a simple fact that MOST of the Korean SC2 pros came from BW. Most of the top Kr (except Polt) players have a BW background. It is true to some extent that BW Pros do dominate SC2.
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Game over foreigners...game over
I wish I could see the FPVOD of him doing the micro custom games.
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I'm more interested in seeing the players who would have played BW but instead will now play SC2... so rather than Flash.. I want to see the next Flash appearing, the next Jaedong.
Although I still can't wait to see Jaedong as an SC2 zerg.
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On April 30 2012 03:20 K3Nyy wrote:
I hate these kinds of discussions.
Let's not overhype him. Everybody in the current scene has like two years ahead of him and to expect so much from him when he debuts is kind of unreasonable. And I hope the sc2 newbies will respect him as the god he is in BW and not insult him.
I'm such a big fan of Flash and it'll break my heart to see people talk about him like they do about forgg.
Hehe, you know that before he started to seriously play BW, everyone had years of experience more than him, and yet he obtained his progamer licence after a month of hard practice?
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On April 30 2012 03:20 Dodgin wrote:
Game over foreigners...game over
I wish I could see the FPVOD of him doing the micro custom games.
hardly think that its game over for foreigners unless you thought it was already over from korean dominance.
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On April 30 2012 03:24 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 03:20 Dodgin wrote:
Game over foreigners...game over
I wish I could see the FPVOD of him doing the micro custom games. hardly think that its game over for foreigners unless you thought it was already over from korean dominance.
Well I kind of did until recently ( dh,gsl ), but just imagine when the current korean sc2 progamers + these guys also come to foreign tournaments.
It will be like every tournament is IPL4.
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On April 30 2012 03:24 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 03:20 K3Nyy wrote:
I hate these kinds of discussions.
Let's not overhype him. Everybody in the current scene has like two years ahead of him and to expect so much from him when he debuts is kind of unreasonable. And I hope the sc2 newbies will respect him as the god he is in BW and not insult him.
I'm such a big fan of Flash and it'll break my heart to see people talk about him like they do about forgg. Hehe, you know that before he started to seriously play BW, everyone had years of experience more than him, and yet he obtained his progamer licence after a month of hard practice?
Yes. He was always a good player back then but he never "dominated" until a few years ago. People's expectations of him seem to be something like winning GSL on the first try. ><"
Whatever, either way I hope he does really well, I just hope his name doesn't get tarnished. T_T;;
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On April 30 2012 03:09 Vari wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 03:07 Garmer wrote:
actually the original was: "Starcraft 2's greatest mistake was naming itself after the greatest of all: Starcraft: Brood War." which is still basically saying "I'll never accept sc2 because I love BW too much" which I can't argue with but it's not a compelling reason for anyone else to agree that sc2 is less interesting for spectators (again assuming flash can come in and blow us away)
SC2 could benefit from removing the stupid ball wars, as a spectator game, maybe this will happen with LOTV , who knows..
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On April 30 2012 03:26 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 03:24 sc14s wrote:On April 30 2012 03:20 Dodgin wrote:
Game over foreigners...game over
I wish I could see the FPVOD of him doing the micro custom games. hardly think that its game over for foreigners unless you thought it was already over from korean dominance. Well I kind of did until recently ( dh,gsl ), but just imagine when the current korean sc2 progamers + these guys also come to foreign tournaments. It will be like every tournament is IPL4.
that was where it was headed already.. so why would it matter if BW players came or not?
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On April 30 2012 03:27 K3Nyy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 03:24 maybenexttime wrote:On April 30 2012 03:20 K3Nyy wrote:
I hate these kinds of discussions.
Let's not overhype him. Everybody in the current scene has like two years ahead of him and to expect so much from him when he debuts is kind of unreasonable. And I hope the sc2 newbies will respect him as the god he is in BW and not insult him.
I'm such a big fan of Flash and it'll break my heart to see people talk about him like they do about forgg. Hehe, you know that before he started to seriously play BW, everyone had years of experience more than him, and yet he obtained his progamer licence after a month of hard practice? Yes. He was always a good player back then but he never "dominated" until a few years ago. People's expectations of him seem to be something like winning GSL on the first try. ><" Whatever, either way I hope he does really well, I just hope his name doesn't get tarnished. T_T;;
meh, most people know that it takes awhile to acclimate to sc2.. he wasn't god mode instantly but he did get fucking good really fast in BW.
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On April 30 2012 03:28 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 03:26 Dodgin wrote:On April 30 2012 03:24 sc14s wrote:On April 30 2012 03:20 Dodgin wrote:
Game over foreigners...game over
I wish I could see the FPVOD of him doing the micro custom games. hardly think that its game over for foreigners unless you thought it was already over from korean dominance. Well I kind of did until recently ( dh,gsl ), but just imagine when the current korean sc2 progamers + these guys also come to foreign tournaments. It will be like every tournament is IPL4. that was where it was headed already.. so why would it matter if BW players came or not?
Well unless they start hosting PL/gstl finals at every tournament it won't be like that again, I think there were literally more Koreans than foreigners at that event and 16+ of them from startale/prime that wouldn't have otherwise come.
Oh and of course the obligatory " any tournament flash goes to no one else has a chance to win "
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This is almost unreal, to hear these words from Flash.
I am very happy though, and a little scared at the same time lol. I really hope he does do well.
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I just wish we could have broodwar and we could have starcraft 2.
I don't want anyone to switch. Either people's expectations for korean greatness will be let down with a resulting dip in people interested, or we will lose the foreigner scene to korean domination.
fuck.
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Flash hwaiting!
Seems like nobody fucking cares about poor Fantasy -_-
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On April 30 2012 03:27 K3Nyy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 03:24 maybenexttime wrote:On April 30 2012 03:20 K3Nyy wrote:
I hate these kinds of discussions.
Let's not overhype him. Everybody in the current scene has like two years ahead of him and to expect so much from him when he debuts is kind of unreasonable. And I hope the sc2 newbies will respect him as the god he is in BW and not insult him.
I'm such a big fan of Flash and it'll break my heart to see people talk about him like they do about forgg. Hehe, you know that before he started to seriously play BW, everyone had years of experience more than him, and yet he obtained his progamer licence after a month of hard practice? Yes. He was always a good player back then but he never "dominated" until a few years ago. People's expectations of him seem to be something like winning GSL on the first try. ><" Whatever, either way I hope he does really well, I just hope his name doesn't get tarnished. T_T;;
I don't think you understand (I think you have a vague idea of what I was talking about when mentioning obtaining a progamer licence, because by progamer standards he was not good back then). My point is any experience current SC2 progamers have is irrelevant because Flash is absolutely the most talented and hard working RTS player to ever live. If only SC2 allows for that sort of skill, then he will catch up in no time. It's simply much easier to get into Code S as the best BW player than it is to win Courage as a kid after a month of practice.
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I'm a bit afraid that if Flash doesn't do very well, there will be some people who criticize the game and not the player. Like, anytime Flash loses will "prove" that SC2 has a low skill cap or is coin-flippy or whatever. Don't forget that Flash loses games in BW too and he will lose games in SC2.
If you need proof of consistency, though, I'd say look no further than MarineKingPrime. He's been a big player in the SC2 scene since GSL Open Season 2. He's been so consistent in SC2 - always near the top and now at the very top quite a bit. You don't have a dominating player like him in a skill-less game. So whether you like SC2 or not when compared to BW, it's difficult to deny how skilled a player like MKP must be to do what he has done for two years now.
So I think it's just a matter of time before Flash becomes a dominating SC2 player, it's just how long will it actually take. Let's also not forget how close HOTS is... that's practically a reset button for everyone.
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On April 30 2012 03:20 K3Nyy wrote:
I hate these kinds of discussions.
Let's not overhype him. Everybody in the current scene has like two years ahead of him and to expect so much from him when he debuts is kind of unreasonable. And I hope the sc2 newbies will respect him as the god he is in BW and not insult him.
I'm such a big fan of Flash and it'll break my heart to see people talk about him like they do about forgg.
It's hard to respect him if he doesn't do amazing due to the "elephant in the room" thread.
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