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Complaints about moderation and freedom of speech are for the website feedback forums. They will be treated as being off topic and dealt with appropriately.

No more Iron Lady talk, no more gender debate. This is a thread about a StarCraft player. Last I checked what's in between your legs has no impact on how you play the game.

I agree with some of the comments here that the moderation on this thread has been dreadful. It's way too soft. I have gone ahead and simply deleted a bunch of comments that fail TL's community standards. Yes, those standards are determined by the mods. Yes, those standards are not perfect nor even uniformly applied. But we try our best. Spare us your righteous indignation over any notional impairment of free speech. This is a private site. It's a club. There is no "right" to free speech here. We only tolerate quality speech. By who's standards? Ours. Go read the TL Ten Commandments. And if you don't like this policy or our way of running our house, leave. - mensrea
corpuscle
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1967 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 08:32:51
April 17 2012 08:32 GMT
#441
On April 17 2012 17:28 Thylacine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 17:25 ReignFayth wrote:
On April 17 2012 17:23 Thylacine wrote:
On April 17 2012 17:07 ReignFayth wrote:
On April 17 2012 17:02 Thylacine wrote:
Can someone answer me? My post is pretty far down at page 21.

of course it is true and what do you mean by "what type" ...


As I understand a transgender is either a ''biological man with a vagina'' or a ''biological woman with a penis''. So how is it? Because thats what transgender is?

no scarlett was born a man, physically, but felt like a woman inside


Ok but I don't think she sounds or looks like a man, does she still have male genital, tho? That's what im wondering


Irrelevant. She's a girl.

edit: like seriously do people genuinely think that if she has a cock and balls it somehow affects her starcraft play? this is so stupid.
From the void I am born into wave and particle
imMUTAble787
Profile Joined November 2011
United States680 Posts
April 17 2012 08:33 GMT
#442
On April 17 2012 17:28 Thylacine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 17:25 ReignFayth wrote:
On April 17 2012 17:23 Thylacine wrote:
On April 17 2012 17:07 ReignFayth wrote:
On April 17 2012 17:02 Thylacine wrote:
Can someone answer me? My post is pretty far down at page 21.

of course it is true and what do you mean by "what type" ...


As I understand a transgender is either a ''biological man with a vagina'' or a ''biological woman with a penis''. So how is it? Because thats what transgender is?

no scarlett was born a man, physically, but felt like a woman inside


Ok but I don't think she sounds or looks like a man, does she still have male genital, tho? That's what im wondering



yeah you don't sound creepy at all.

i gotta say out of the teams i figured would sign her i forgot all about eclypsia
*eternalenvy fanboy*
Youtakenocandle
Profile Joined February 2012
543 Posts
April 17 2012 08:35 GMT
#443
On April 17 2012 17:28 Thylacine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 17:25 ReignFayth wrote:
On April 17 2012 17:23 Thylacine wrote:
On April 17 2012 17:07 ReignFayth wrote:
On April 17 2012 17:02 Thylacine wrote:
Can someone answer me? My post is pretty far down at page 21.

of course it is true and what do you mean by "what type" ...


As I understand a transgender is either a ''biological man with a vagina'' or a ''biological woman with a penis''. So how is it? Because thats what transgender is?

no scarlett was born a man, physically, but felt like a woman inside


Ok but I don't think she sounds or looks like a man, does she still have male genital, tho? That's what im wondering


Yeah that's really your business.
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
April 17 2012 08:35 GMT
#444
Back on topic, I think she could have done better with another team. She can be top tier and we don't even know it.

In the end we all start small.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
corpuscle
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1967 Posts
April 17 2012 08:38 GMT
#445
On April 17 2012 17:35 ceaRshaf wrote:
Back on topic, I think she could have done better with another team. She can be top tier and we don't even know it.

In the end we all start small.


Eclypsia is better than people give credit for, and, as I said before, she entertained offers from a higher-profile team and decided to go with EC because she liked the environment/players. It's not all about money and name recognition.
From the void I am born into wave and particle
AdrianHealey
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium480 Posts
April 17 2012 08:46 GMT
#446
On April 17 2012 17:28 Thylacine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 17:25 ReignFayth wrote:
On April 17 2012 17:23 Thylacine wrote:
On April 17 2012 17:07 ReignFayth wrote:
On April 17 2012 17:02 Thylacine wrote:
Can someone answer me? My post is pretty far down at page 21.

of course it is true and what do you mean by "what type" ...


As I understand a transgender is either a ''biological man with a vagina'' or a ''biological woman with a penis''. So how is it? Because thats what transgender is?

no scarlett was born a man, physically, but felt like a woman inside


Ok but I don't think she sounds or looks like a man, does she still have male genital, tho? That's what im wondering


That is none of your damn business.

I love.
Fredz
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada36 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 08:56:15
April 17 2012 08:51 GMT
#447
"Major sex differences in intellectual function seem to lie in patterns of ability rather than in overall level of intelligence (IQ). We are all aware that people have different intellectual strengths. Some are especially good with words, others at using objects-for instance, at constructing or fixing things. In the same fashion, two individuals may have the same overall intelligence but have varying patterns of ability. Men, on average, perform better than women on certain spatial tasks. In particular, men have an advantage in tests that require the subject to imagine rotating an object or manipulating it in some other way. They outperform women in mathematical reasoning tests and in navigating their way through a route. Further, men are more accurate in tests of target-directed motor skills-that is, in guiding or intercepting projectiles."
http://www.dhushara.com/book/socio/kimura/kimura.htm

Seriously guys i cant believe that some of you didnt know that mens are biologicaly better in cognitive things like mathematical reasoing, spatial tasks, target directed motor skills, etc. And yes womens are better than mens in many things like perceptual speed, precision manual tasks, and many other things.

but as you might already understand, most things in wich mens are better depends at least slightly on speed, fast thinking etc wich basically gives them an advantage over womens in nearly every cognitive sports like chess with a clock or real time strategy games.
naux
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada738 Posts
April 17 2012 08:52 GMT
#448
On April 17 2012 17:24 EffectS wrote:
No offense to Eclypsia here but I thought she got offers from Korean teams? If it were me I would pick a Korean team over an international team no matter what the paycheck difference might be.


yes because playing for a korean team gives you salary and helps you travel to foreign events right? yeah you would pick a korean team over an international team but theres people in this world that has to pay for things, i know korean teams would be the better option to get better but you have to think about your future more shes doing fine without korean team
vijeze
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands719 Posts
April 17 2012 08:52 GMT
#449
Rather sad, hoped to see her on a higher profile team.. Ah well, good luck Scarlett!
Zaqwe
Profile Joined March 2012
591 Posts
April 17 2012 08:52 GMT
#450
On April 17 2012 17:32 corpuscle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 17:28 Thylacine wrote:
On April 17 2012 17:25 ReignFayth wrote:
On April 17 2012 17:23 Thylacine wrote:
On April 17 2012 17:07 ReignFayth wrote:
On April 17 2012 17:02 Thylacine wrote:
Can someone answer me? My post is pretty far down at page 21.

of course it is true and what do you mean by "what type" ...


As I understand a transgender is either a ''biological man with a vagina'' or a ''biological woman with a penis''. So how is it? Because thats what transgender is?

no scarlett was born a man, physically, but felt like a woman inside


Ok but I don't think she sounds or looks like a man, does she still have male genital, tho? That's what im wondering


Irrelevant. She's a girl.

edit: like seriously do people genuinely think that if she has a cock and balls it somehow affects her starcraft play? this is so stupid.

Being a male does appear to give some sort of benefit to Starcraft ability. Men completely dominate the sport.

It would be quite a strange coincidence that the first female with a decent tournament showing was born a male were that not the case.
Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
April 17 2012 08:53 GMT
#451
Stop posting off topic. This thread is about Scarlett joining her new team. If you feel the need to discuss other matters do so in a different thread.
Moderator@TLPholon // "I need a third hand to facepalm right now"
Zaqwe
Profile Joined March 2012
591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 08:55:49
April 17 2012 08:55 GMT
#452
On April 17 2012 17:51 Fredz wrote:
"Major sex differences in intellectual function seem to lie in patterns of ability rather than in overall level of intelligence (IQ). We are all aware that people have different intellectual strengths. Some are especially good with words, others at using objects-for instance, at constructing or fixing things. In the same fashion, two individuals may have the same overall intelligence but have varying patterns of ability. Men, on average, perform better than women on certain spatial tasks. In particular, men have an advantage in tests that require the subject to imagine rotating an object or manipulating it in some other way. They outperform women in mathematical reasoning tests and in navigating their way through a route. Further, men are more accurate in tests of target-directed motor skills-that is, in guiding or intercepting projectiles."
http://www.dhushara.com/book/socio/kimura/kimura.htm

Seriously guys i cant believe that some of you didnt know that mens are biologicaly better in cognitive things like mathematical reasoing, spatial tasks, target directed motor skills, etc. And yes womens are better than mens in many things like perceptual speed, precision manual tasks, and many other things.

There's actually a science documentary from Norway "brainwash" with an episode on gender differences. Apparently differences between the genders are observable hours after birth. Males are more mechanically inclined, which seems to apply well to Starcraft.

I made a thread about it in the General forum.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=327138

EDIT: Sorry, just saw the above post after I posted.
AdrianHealey
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium480 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 08:56:27
April 17 2012 08:55 GMT
#453
The point is not that men and women aren't different - they are. The point is; what do some people hope to gain by focussing on her biological birth sex rather than her gender? A person *is* his/her gender, not his/her sex. In this case; she is a she.

Yes, there might be some biological advantage because she was born physically a man. So what? What do you hope to get out of it by keep focussing on it? What's up with that? It just seems like this sick focus on things that are different, hidden under a veil of 'we need to be correct!' Well; it doesn't matter, even if you are. Stop focussing on it. Scarlett has made it clear that this belongs to her personal life; please respect that.

FFS.

Edit: sorry, just saw the mod message now.
I love.
CDR
Profile Joined April 2011
Poland84 Posts
April 17 2012 08:56 GMT
#454
TL.net at its finest :D
This thread is like WTF, seriously guys. Mods banning everything that is not a positive feedback. Someone saying she (or he, I don't really give a fuck, like it makes any difference) is top 4 foreigner. Do you really believe she is top tier player? And KR teams wanted to pick her? Get real FFS.
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
April 17 2012 08:58 GMT
#455
Awesome, good luck to him/her : )
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
Plaaank
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom16 Posts
April 17 2012 08:59 GMT
#456
I don't know about anyone else, but my support or interest in Scarlett's sc2 career, or anybody's sc2 career for that matter, is based on how the play the game, not their gender or sexual identity.

Congrats and good luck in the future!
I did nothing! The pavement was his enemy!
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
April 17 2012 09:00 GMT
#457
This is awesome, welcome :D
http://twitch.tv/desrowfighting http://twitter.com/desrowfighting http://facebook.com/desrowfighting
Suikakuju
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany238 Posts
April 17 2012 09:02 GMT
#458
Awesome good luck Scarlett, gg gl
Laugh and the world laughs with you. Weep and you weep alone.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
April 17 2012 09:03 GMT
#459
On April 17 2012 17:58 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Awesome, good luck to him/her : )


her
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
NightySC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Norway168 Posts
April 17 2012 09:11 GMT
#460
Congratulations to Scarlett. It is nice to see that a player that are able to produce good results gets picked up fast, And in my opinion it was smart to go for a team that isn't considered as one of the top teams. As she has already stated she had other options, which probably was better, but the atmosphere in Eclypsia was what suited her the best.

Now, I don't know what the other teams where, but I think a lot of us would have gone for the biggest team that approach us purely to be recognized as EG.Nighty, or Quantic.Nighty, but I really respect Scarlett for going the path she felt was right, and hopefully the environment in Eclypsia will allow her to grow as a player and train in Korea as that was one of the things she wanted to do.
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