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Hello Liquidians,
I'm interested about progamers and what kind of degrees they have. It would be also interesting to discuss generally how studies and SC2 coexist. This thread got it's inspiration from Stephano, who's eventually going to subside his sc2 career for med studies. By studies I mean higher than secondary education - Uni and the like. Before that you can wing it easily while playing.
There's a few examples of progamers and esports figures who have higher degrees (Day9, Polt's in a quality university as far as I know), but the general idea I have is that having a career in Sc2 is quite an all-in - if you want to be among the ones that are racking in the money. I can't imagine the koreans can have any sort of degrees beyond basic education, because they are putting 10+ daily hours into gaming - Polt must be an expection.
The same must stand for foreigners as well then if they are gaming full-time even though their hourly amounts usually don't reach their korean counterparts. Actually, I think that a really deciding factor in korean domination is the fact that koreans don't study on the side of things (glad to be proven wrong here). An example of a foreigner, who could do very well, but is "hindered" by his studies is Qxc.
I think it is quite an unhealthy situation that you have to sacrifice your education in favour of Sc2. We are bound to wind up with a bunch of gamers that didn't really make it and end up having no kind of education to boot. It is also bad for Sc2, since we do not get as many progamers as possible due to people concentrating on studies instead.
Is there anything to do? I think most teams already allow and prioritize players studies over their gaming (albeit this might be different in Korea). In physical sports, there's many ways to weave your sport into your studies (stipends, schools specialized for atheletes) - due to the smallness of esports that is not really feasible yet. Also, partly seen in Sc2 as well already, ex-players move on to become coaches and other figures in teams and organizations.
So it seems that all we need is that the scene grows, but can it grow, if these things are not taken in consideration?
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Did try to search, must have used bad words. Anyways, this thread has more meat in it than that - this is about how studies and sc2 fit in together and what kind of problems exists.
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If this thread gets locked you should post this into that thread.
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I think Leenok isn't even going to highschool 
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Nope, most of them are messing up their futures by doing this. Of course there will be exceptions, somewhat, such as people joining the management in gaming orga's etc. Young Korean players are even dropping out of highschool afaik :/. The only acceptable choice, imo, is what people like stephano and polt are doing: taking a year or two off for gaming, but then resuming their education.
Even the so-called top earners aren't rich at all.
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kind of related note, and I believe Jinro said this "All people who are pros now started to get good while they had jobs/studies"
Meaning that to become a 'pro' you don't have to drop everything to only focus on starcraft
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isn't this the situation with most sports though?
how many prospective football players / basketball players have degrees?
I'll admit I don't understand if they do or don't and I'm curious to find out but my friend is a fucking good footballer playing for a championship league academy and he doesn't give 2 shits about his education on the basis that he's all ensured to make it into the first team and get a good salary and when he gets out of football he'll go find a job that revolves around football
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On April 15 2012 01:46 speknek wrote:
Nope, most of them are messing up their futures by doing this. Of course there will be exceptions, somewhat, such as people joining the management in gaming orga's etc. Young Korean players are even dropping out of highschool afaik :/. The only acceptable choice, imo, is what people like stephano and polt are doing: taking a year or two off for gaming, but then resuming their education.
Even the so-called top earners aren't rich at all.
You are talking out your ass. You know progamers can do something outside of games when they retire, right? As far as I can tell, the majority of progamers(in the west, at least) come from a pretty priveleged background, and will have no problem getting into college or whatever they want to do after they are done with progaming.
And the "so called" top earners... They are doing just fine.
1.MC: $277,420
2.MVP: $257,570
3.Nestea: $238,620
9.Stephano: $106,045
20.White-Ra: $50,410
And this is just tournament winnings. It does not include sponsorship, salary, endorsments, or stream revenue.
Don't get me wrong, it's a top heavy industry and a lot of progamers don't get much, but you sound like an out of touch 80 year old when you say they are messing up their future.
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On April 15 2012 02:15 Myrkskog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 01:46 speknek wrote:
Nope, most of them are messing up their futures by doing this. Of course there will be exceptions, somewhat, such as people joining the management in gaming orga's etc. Young Korean players are even dropping out of highschool afaik :/. The only acceptable choice, imo, is what people like stephano and polt are doing: taking a year or two off for gaming, but then resuming their education.
Even the so-called top earners aren't rich at all. You are talking out your ass. You know progamers can do something outside of games when they retire, right? As far as I can tell, the majority of progamers(in the west, at least) come from a pretty priveleged background, and will have no problem getting into college or whatever they want to do after they are done with progaming. And the "so called" top earners... They are doing just fine. 1.MC: $277,420 2.MVP: $257,570 3.Nestea: $238,620 9.Stephano: $106,045 20.White-Ra: $50,410 And this is just tournament winnings. It does not include sponsorship, salary, endorsments, or stream revenue. Don't get me wrong, it's a top heavy industry and a lot of progamers don't get much, but you sound like an out of touch 80 year old when you say they are messing up their future.
yea but think about it. White-ra made $50,000 out of tournament winnings in 2 years. Thats 25,000$/year maybe add 10000 for sallary . White-ra is a top 20 earner and has a family. How is he going to support his family in the future when he retires? Where i live he makes a little more than a regular Mc Donalds employe .
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qxc is about to graduate from Harvey mud.
Polt actually seized his studies to take year of as progamer
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On April 15 2012 02:24 A-p-p-l-e-s wrote:
yea but think about it. White-ra made $50,000 out of tournament winnings in 2 years. Thats 25,000$/year maybe add 10000 for sallary . White-ra is a top 20 earner and has a family. How is he going to support his family in the future when he retires? Where i live he makes a little more than a regular Mc Donalds employe .
Where he lives $4000 is the average salary. $35,000 is almost ten times that.
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Socke is studying as well, he just takes breaks for tournaments.
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On April 15 2012 02:24 A-p-p-l-e-s wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 02:15 Myrkskog wrote:On April 15 2012 01:46 speknek wrote:
Nope, most of them are messing up their futures by doing this. Of course there will be exceptions, somewhat, such as people joining the management in gaming orga's etc. Young Korean players are even dropping out of highschool afaik :/. The only acceptable choice, imo, is what people like stephano and polt are doing: taking a year or two off for gaming, but then resuming their education.
Even the so-called top earners aren't rich at all. You are talking out your ass. You know progamers can do something outside of games when they retire, right? As far as I can tell, the majority of progamers(in the west, at least) come from a pretty priveleged background, and will have no problem getting into college or whatever they want to do after they are done with progaming. And the "so called" top earners... They are doing just fine. 1.MC: $277,420 2.MVP: $257,570 3.Nestea: $238,620 9.Stephano: $106,045 20.White-Ra: $50,410 And this is just tournament winnings. It does not include sponsorship, salary, endorsments, or stream revenue. Don't get me wrong, it's a top heavy industry and a lot of progamers don't get much, but you sound like an out of touch 80 year old when you say they are messing up their future. yea but think about it. White-ra made $50,000 out of tournament winnings in 2 years. Thats 25,000$/year maybe add 10000 for sallary . White-ra is a top 20 earner and has a family. How is he going to support his family in the future when he retires? Where i live he makes a little more than a regular Mc Donalds employe .
White-ra lives in ukraine where the cost of living is much cheaper so 25,000$ a year isn't actually bad it's not bad at all . Couple this with the fact that he has a salary and the fact that he does writing articles for a living (If i remember correctly)
I think he'll be just fine 
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A lot of professionals stay within the progaming scene not as gamers, but working as community managers or public relations or something within the field of connecting with the fans and consumer of the marketable group (think of all the CS players who work for sponsorship companies or go into game development).
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On April 15 2012 02:28 slmw wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 02:24 A-p-p-l-e-s wrote:
yea but think about it. White-ra made $50,000 out of tournament winnings in 2 years. Thats 25,000$/year maybe add 10000 for sallary . White-ra is a top 20 earner and has a family. How is he going to support his family in the future when he retires? Where i live he makes a little more than a regular Mc Donalds employe . Where he lives $4000 is the average salary. $35,000 is almost ten times that.
how to you live off a little over 300 a month. You have to pay for food, electricity / rent / bills, transportation etc. I doubt the sallary of an average worker is 4000 $ a year unless they work in a sweat shop and make about 1$ an hour.
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On April 15 2012 02:32 A-p-p-l-e-s wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 02:28 slmw wrote:On April 15 2012 02:24 A-p-p-l-e-s wrote:
yea but think about it. White-ra made $50,000 out of tournament winnings in 2 years. Thats 25,000$/year maybe add 10000 for sallary . White-ra is a top 20 earner and has a family. How is he going to support his family in the future when he retires? Where i live he makes a little more than a regular Mc Donalds employe . Where he lives $4000 is the average salary. $35,000 is almost ten times that. how to you live off a little over 300 a month. You have to pay for food, electricity / rent / bills, transportation etc. I doubt the sallary of an average worker is 4000 $ a year unless they work in a sweat shop and make about 1$ an hour.
canada isn't ukraine stop trying to act like it is
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On April 15 2012 02:24 A-p-p-l-e-s wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 02:15 Myrkskog wrote:On April 15 2012 01:46 speknek wrote:
Nope, most of them are messing up their futures by doing this. Of course there will be exceptions, somewhat, such as people joining the management in gaming orga's etc. Young Korean players are even dropping out of highschool afaik :/. The only acceptable choice, imo, is what people like stephano and polt are doing: taking a year or two off for gaming, but then resuming their education.
Even the so-called top earners aren't rich at all. You are talking out your ass. You know progamers can do something outside of games when they retire, right? As far as I can tell, the majority of progamers(in the west, at least) come from a pretty priveleged background, and will have no problem getting into college or whatever they want to do after they are done with progaming. And the "so called" top earners... They are doing just fine. 1.MC: $277,420 2.MVP: $257,570 3.Nestea: $238,620 9.Stephano: $106,045 20.White-Ra: $50,410 And this is just tournament winnings. It does not include sponsorship, salary, endorsments, or stream revenue. Don't get me wrong, it's a top heavy industry and a lot of progamers don't get much, but you sound like an out of touch 80 year old when you say they are messing up their future. yea but think about it. White-ra made $50,000 out of tournament winnings in 2 years. Thats 25,000$/year maybe add 10000 for sallary . White-ra is a top 20 earner and has a family. How is he going to support his family in the future when he retires? Where i live he makes a little more than a regular Mc Donalds employe .
You do realise higher education is not the only way to make a living right?
And iirc White-Ra used to write a column for some paper or outlet of some kind in the ukraine as well as play games. (he played BW for a long time remember and there was nearly no money for foreigners in that) so it seems he was doing okay. Also, he managed to find a wife-ra in that time.
Think a bit bro.
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On April 15 2012 02:32 A-p-p-l-e-s wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 02:28 slmw wrote:On April 15 2012 02:24 A-p-p-l-e-s wrote:
yea but think about it. White-ra made $50,000 out of tournament winnings in 2 years. Thats 25,000$/year maybe add 10000 for sallary . White-ra is a top 20 earner and has a family. How is he going to support his family in the future when he retires? Where i live he makes a little more than a regular Mc Donalds employe . Where he lives $4000 is the average salary. $35,000 is almost ten times that. how to you live off a little over 300 a month. You have to pay for food, electricity / rent / bills, transportation etc. I doubt the sallary of an average worker is 4000 $ a year unless they work in a sweat shop and make about 1$ an hour.
In Canada? Maybe not. In Ukraine? Very possible and reasonable. My mother did live in India for quiet a while and with her salary which would be below average in Germany, she was earning a TON / rich in India.
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