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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On April 08 2012 15:19 ch33psh33p wrote: Just shows the toxicity of a community driven by rage and the desire to bring people down in the name of vain justice. Amazing how people like you can turn outrage over an extremely controversial and highly disputed, questionable decision into "vain justice". | ||
storywriter
Australia528 Posts
"If fans of Startale or the general public think that Parting deserved a win, I will resign as team Prime’s coach" should have been "If Startale or the fans think that Parting deserved a win, I will resign as team Prime’s coach". Main difference is that Gerrard also addresses the team Startale. Fixed in OP | ||
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MaNaVoId
492 Posts
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
It's Gerrard's job to do what he can to help his team, just like it's MKP's job to win for his team. The only one at fault is GOM. | ||
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ThaSlayer
707 Posts
On April 08 2012 15:24 MaNaVoId wrote: So the decision for a regame is due to prime insisting on it and not purely the referees' decision? Such a stark contrast between startale players and prime players. Keep in mind that during dreamhack, when bomber had an overwhelming advantage over MaNa when the game dc and a win was given to bomber when bomber had less advantage over mana than parting has over mkp, however bomber insisted on not taking it even though Mana himself admitted he had no chance of holding (also props to Mana for upholding his integrity by admitting defeat). But the attitude of prime players are just on a totally different level. Marinekingprime has great micro, but i am willing to pay thousands of dollars for someone to coach me how to defeat that protoss army with 3 marauders. Yea marineking still has another production facility, but so does parting. Wait..Prime had insisted the regame? | ||
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JackDT
724 Posts
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
If he actually quits because of this, I'm quitting TL for good. | ||
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MaNaVoId
492 Posts
He said in interview that he checked the replay and thinks marineking can win, when they think their player can win of coz they will insist a regame. If he never insisted a regame then he wouldnt need to say all those resign nonsense coz he would have no part in making the decision. | ||
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storywriter
Australia528 Posts
There is nothing in the interview that definitely says that Prime insisted the regame. However, if a coach believes that his player stood a chance (and Gerrard certainly seems to), I wouldn't be surprised at all if he expressed this opinion to the decision makers and rightly so. | ||
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SoulReaver306
Australia210 Posts
On April 08 2012 15:24 MaNaVoId wrote: So the decision for a regame is due to prime insisting on it and not purely the referees' decision? Such a stark contrast between startale players and prime players. Keep in mind that during dreamhack, when bomber had an overwhelming advantage over MaNa when the game dc and a win was given to bomber when bomber had less advantage over mana than parting has over mkp, however bomber insisted on not taking it even though Mana himself admitted he had no chance of holding (also props to Mana for upholding his integrity by admitting defeat). But the attitude of prime players are just on a totally different level. Marinekingprime has great micro, but i am willing to pay thousands of dollars for someone to coach me how to defeat that protoss army with 3 marauders. Yea marineking still has another production facility, but so does parting. It says that that they were ready to forfeit the game if they felt that MKP had no chance to win. And do you not remember in Homestory Cup 4 where MKP was winning against Violet and the game dropped? He was the one who called for the regame then. | ||
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Daogin
Canada2308 Posts
On April 08 2012 15:29 storywriter wrote: There is nothing in the interview that definitely says that Prime insisted the regame. However, if a coach believes that his player stood a chance (and Gerrard certainly seems to), I wouldn't be surprised at all if he expressed this opinion to the decision makers and rightly so. it's not to say the other team wouldnt have done the same... He could be sharing his P.O.V. from what the referees saw, who knows.. | ||
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DidYuhim
Ukraine1905 Posts
On April 08 2012 15:23 storywriter wrote: sorry guys, slight mistranslation "If fans of Startale or the general public think that Parting deserved a win, I will resign as team Prime’s coach" should have been "If Startale or the fans think that Parting deserved a win, I will resign as team Prime’s coach". Main difference is that Gerrard also addresses the team Startale. Fixed in OP Check how it sounds. "If loser's team will complain I will resign". It just says "I will not resign, but if they will complain it will make them look bullies". Nice move, buddy. I hope you will resign. | ||
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Jacobs Ladder
United States1705 Posts
On April 08 2012 15:23 HolyArrow wrote: Amazing how people like you can turn outrage over an extremely controversial and highly disputed, questionable decision into "vain justice". Crucifying Gerrard would be vain justice. It wasn't his decision, nor his fault. To force the issue with his resignation would be ridiculous. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On April 08 2012 15:30 Daogin wrote: it's not to say the other team wouldnt have done the same... He could be sharing his P.O.V. from what the referees saw, who knows.. But ST nor any other team was put in this position. This was Prime. Come up with another straw man, please. | ||
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slicknav
1409 Posts
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On April 08 2012 15:32 Jacobs Ladder wrote: Crucifying Gerrard would be vain justice. It wasn't his decision, nor his fault. To force the issue with his resignation would be ridiculous. I agree that crucifying Gerard would be ridiculous, though if the replay is released and people do decide that Parting had it in the bag, it'll reflect extremely badly on him. What I was mainly referring to was the notion that people actually dispute the outrage over the regame decision. The outrage is completely understandable and justified. | ||
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Drayven
United States7 Posts
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On April 08 2012 15:23 HolyArrow wrote: Amazing how people like you can turn outrage over an extremely controversial and highly disputed, questionable decision into "vain justice". Taking down Gerrard is totally the right thing to do right now, right? Not an example of vain justice at all is it? My post was in part directed to the outrage being displayed in the LR thread, as well. Try to take things in context. | ||
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DidYuhim
Ukraine1905 Posts
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duracell
53 Posts
Crucifying Gerrard would be vain justice. It wasn't his decision, nor his fault. To force the issue with his resignation would be ridiculous. If he didn't want to resign he shouldn't have made that statement. I wouldn't blame him if he said "Hey I'm the coach and have to look out for my team, so I followed the ruling that was given by the organization." Instead he is framing it in a way where he believes the decision was a correct one, and is willing to stake his job and reputation on it. Well, too bad most people will not agree with him and now he has to eat his words or resign as he said he would. | ||
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