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On April 10 2012 00:51 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
I feel like the GSTL format needs to be changed to the Brood War format, because if you have someone like MKP on your team they can just roll over most players on the other
I'm fine with All-Kill format, but I really dislike how the Group Play is done for the teams.
A loser's bracket for RO10, RO8 & RO6 seems too forgiving.
NSH & FXO for instance were defeated thrice before they were eliminated from GSTL S1.
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That's right. The loser of the match is the CHAMPION!! StarTale is clearly the winner here after losing 5 games. In fantasy land, they would've beaten Prime like nothing.
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On April 10 2012 04:58 Xarles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 00:51 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
I feel like the GSTL format needs to be changed to the Brood War format, because if you have someone like MKP on your team they can just roll over most players on the other I'm fine with All-Kill format, but I really dislike how the Group Play is done for the teams. A loser's bracket for RO10, RO8 & RO6 seems too forgiving. NSH & FXO for instance were defeated thrice before they were eliminated from GSTL S1.
I don't get why they got rid of the season format. Was it too long? I thought it was cool
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On April 10 2012 04:47 crocodile wrote:
If the other team doesn't have anyone good enough to take down one player, they don't deserve to win. Good point.
In more evolved and seriously taken proleague - there are snipers. Great great snipers, who are only good in one matchup and prepare vs a strong player of the opponent team specifically. It works like a charm and to some extent has happened in SC2 team leagues too. If your team doesn't have the needed sniper, well, that's a weakness, you need deeper roster.
As you see, this format still contains very interesting TEAM strategy in it.
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On April 09 2012 21:15 noddy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 21:14 Tarotis wrote:On April 09 2012 21:04 noddy wrote:On April 09 2012 04:27 HolyArrow wrote:
I don't understand how some people are trying to argue that Prime's GSTL win isn't tainted by the regame. Sorry, but it is. Your (presumably) favorite team already won, so you should just be happy with that. The circumstances objectively weren't ideal, and MKP incontrovertibly had luck on his side. You can't have your cake and eat it too. There's no excuse for losing 4 players to 1 player anyway. MarineKing showed he was better than the StarTale team and got the championship fairly. Not like there was anything stopping Parting to win the second game, they both went identical builds. You have to tealize that Parting couldn't play 100% because of that decision. You are psychically destroyed n such a scenario. Regame was the right decision though. I understand this but honestly, did you see MarineKing? He even said in the interviews he was mentally unwell after this decision so I think neither of them were in a good place.
MarineKing was well enough to commit to a timing attack at the moment of greatest weakness in Parting's build, which he had just seen.
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I still dont get why people are crying over the GSTL finals. It was a good finals only reason people are crying is they are Startale fans. MKP wasnt even out of the game look at the curious game last time they met MKP was holding on for like ten minutes when the supply was 50/200 to 100/200 you guys make it seem like it was impossible MKPs economy was good he couldve drop 6 mules and it wouldve went thru the ROOF and you dont even know when the timings of his production wouldve came out so whats the point of discussing it anymore
PRIME won dont cry about it anymore theres always controversy in sports so quit crying and get over it PRIME is the GSTL champions
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The Prime coach has some balls to say that he will resign if the general public thinks that parting deserved the win. He just needs to keep quite and take the victory.
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Thanks OP for the translation of the interview.
Very bold of the Prime coach...
Startale got ****ed and anybody who says otherwise is just a fanboy of either Prime or MKP....
edit* I don't follow GSTL and also don't follow any Startale players so I would say I am unbiased..
Saw the games live and any pro, caster and viewer would agree that Parting had the first game in the bag.
Great for MKP to receive a "get out of jail free" card and he won the remainder of his games very convincingly although I think Bomber could have also taken his game.....
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On April 10 2012 06:42 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
The Prime coach has some balls to say that he will resign if the general public thinks that parting deserved the win. He just needs to keep quiet and take the victory.
Fixed that for you =P
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easy to talk big when you know you won't have to back it up (gom won't release the replay)
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and it's easy to talk shit about a team when you don't have the same evidence as the people actually in charge
On April 10 2012 08:07 Rorschach wrote:
although I think Bomber could have also taken his game.....
This is exactly the point. If MarineKing had dced when Bomber dropped in his base(Bomber with more than double the workers, a third base on the way) people would have cried about a regame because Bomber was obviously winning.
As we saw, people can fuck up. Especially in high pressure situations and get overeager.
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On April 10 2012 23:05 Waxangel wrote:
easy to talk big when you know you won't have to back it up (gom won't release the replay)
Got any confirmation on that? I think GOM would make an exception just this once in order to clear things up.
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On April 10 2012 06:42 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
The Prime coach has some balls to say that he will resign if the general public thinks that parting deserved the win. He just needs to keep quite and take the victory.
Not really, he thinks they deserved it. He will never resign.
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On April 10 2012 06:28 naux wrote:
I still dont get why people are crying over the GSTL finals. It was a good finals only reason people are crying is they are Startale fans. MKP wasnt even out of the game look at the curious game last time they met MKP was holding on for like ten minutes when the supply was 50/200 to 100/200 you guys make it seem like it was impossible MKPs economy was good he couldve drop 6 mules and it wouldve went thru the ROOF and you dont even know when the timings of his production wouldve came out so whats the point of discussing it anymore
PRIME won dont cry about it anymore theres always controversy in sports so quit crying and get over it PRIME is the GSTL champions
How would he be able to drop 6 mules and just be fine when 16 zealots and 8 hts is outside his base and he defends with 3 maurauders and 6 vikings?
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On April 11 2012 06:51 Dewd wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 06:28 naux wrote:
I still dont get why people are crying over the GSTL finals. It was a good finals only reason people are crying is they are Startale fans. MKP wasnt even out of the game look at the curious game last time they met MKP was holding on for like ten minutes when the supply was 50/200 to 100/200 you guys make it seem like it was impossible MKPs economy was good he couldve drop 6 mules and it wouldve went thru the ROOF and you dont even know when the timings of his production wouldve came out so whats the point of discussing it anymore
PRIME won dont cry about it anymore theres always controversy in sports so quit crying and get over it PRIME is the GSTL champions How would he be able to drop 6 mules and just be fine when 16 zealots and 8 hts is outside his base and he defends with 3 maurauders and 6 vikings?
Well HT's were in parting's base and MKP production was still going in his main base.
He could have used the vikings to shoot the warp prism. get his next production cycle of marauders and land his vikings to buffer.
Who knows what might have happened.
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On April 11 2012 06:51 Dewd wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 06:28 naux wrote:
I still dont get why people are crying over the GSTL finals. It was a good finals only reason people are crying is they are Startale fans. MKP wasnt even out of the game look at the curious game last time they met MKP was holding on for like ten minutes when the supply was 50/200 to 100/200 you guys make it seem like it was impossible MKPs economy was good he couldve drop 6 mules and it wouldve went thru the ROOF and you dont even know when the timings of his production wouldve came out so whats the point of discussing it anymore
PRIME won dont cry about it anymore theres always controversy in sports so quit crying and get over it PRIME is the GSTL champions How would he be able to drop 6 mules and just be fine when 16 zealots and 8 hts is outside his base and he defends with 3 maurauders and 6 vikings?
There were only 8 zealot and 6 stalkers in the front hitting the outer raxes, the rest were at bases, 7 HTs were just wrapped in literally 1 second before the dc (the unit tab jumped from 1HT to 8HT 1 second before dc).
Seriously, if it comes to worst, I'm sure 3 marauders, 6 viking, 71 scvs can hold off 16 zealot and 8 stalkers easily until units from 14 raxes and 4 starports coming out lol. I assure you that those Protoss units can't kill 71 scvs fast enough. And he still have MULESSS.
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Gerard is one handsome man
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This whole "omg who should have won?? so unfair omg omg omg" stuff is just pointless.
We will never know for sure what would have happened, it's done it's done. So instead of wasting time speculating on something we will never know anyway how about working towards making sure it doesn't happen again huh?
If anything people should be mad at Blizzard and put pressure on them to finally release LAN support in the next expansion, THAT is what's gonna help e-sports, not speculating on something that can't be changed.
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On April 11 2012 06:51 Dewd wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 06:28 naux wrote:
I still dont get why people are crying over the GSTL finals. It was a good finals only reason people are crying is they are Startale fans. MKP wasnt even out of the game look at the curious game last time they met MKP was holding on for like ten minutes when the supply was 50/200 to 100/200 you guys make it seem like it was impossible MKPs economy was good he couldve drop 6 mules and it wouldve went thru the ROOF and you dont even know when the timings of his production wouldve came out so whats the point of discussing it anymore
PRIME won dont cry about it anymore theres always controversy in sports so quit crying and get over it PRIME is the GSTL champions How would he be able to drop 6 mules and just be fine when 16 zealots and 8 hts is outside his base and he defends with 3 maurauders and 6 vikings?
HT weren't there, they were all the way back at Partings base.... With reinforcements from the Rax in MKP's main, he could of technically held off those 16 zealots, with equal bases and pretty much equal economy behind it, they had to regame. Parting was in great shape, def had a big advantage, but it was not a 100% for parting therefore have to regame.
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No matter how you look at these things it isn't MKP's fault or Prime's fault at all. They are there to play and win, there is no reason to ever throw a game if you're a Pro Gamer. MKP made the right choices and it just happened that a disconnect occurred. It sucks that it had to happen and MKP probably only had a 15-20% chance to win that game if even but still, there was no "PartinG would win 100%." People should review the TSL3 rules about disconnects and think about how they would've applied in this case.
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