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On April 09 2012 20:44 MaNaVoId wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 04:27 HolyArrow wrote:
I don't understand how some people are trying to argue that Prime's GSTL win isn't tainted by the regame. Sorry, but it is. Your (presumably) favorite team already won, so you should just be happy with that. The circumstances objectively weren't ideal, and MKP incontrovertibly had luck on his side. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Trust MKP, he is just such an amazing human being with insane micro which can turn the tide of any battle no matter what disadvantage he is in, nothing is impossible for him no comeback from, nothing, parting would have been totally obliterated if the game did not dc, guess startale got lucky that they got an excuse for the defeat.
How the hell is this guy not banned yet? He's been posting all this sarcastic crap all over the forums about MKP, even in the fanclub "sigh".
Nvm, he just got banned, thanks
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On April 09 2012 04:27 HolyArrow wrote:
I don't understand how some people are trying to argue that Prime's GSTL win isn't tainted by the regame. Sorry, but it is. Your (presumably) favorite team already won, so you should just be happy with that. The circumstances objectively weren't ideal, and MKP incontrovertibly had luck on his side. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
If StarTale would have gotten the win it would have been tainted for them too if they won in the end.
It's not Prime, MKP or referees faults that such a decision had to be made, it's blizzard for not making a "save game when crash" feature, really.
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On April 09 2012 04:27 HolyArrow wrote:
I don't understand how some people are trying to argue that Prime's GSTL win isn't tainted by the regame. Sorry, but it is. Your (presumably) favorite team already won, so you should just be happy with that. The circumstances objectively weren't ideal, and MKP incontrovertibly had luck on his side. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
There's no excuse for losing 4 players to 1 player anyway. MarineKing showed he was better than the StarTale team and got the championship fairly.
Not like there was anything stopping Parting to win the second game, they both went identical builds.
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On April 09 2012 21:04 noddy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 04:27 HolyArrow wrote:
I don't understand how some people are trying to argue that Prime's GSTL win isn't tainted by the regame. Sorry, but it is. Your (presumably) favorite team already won, so you should just be happy with that. The circumstances objectively weren't ideal, and MKP incontrovertibly had luck on his side. You can't have your cake and eat it too. There's no excuse for losing 4 players to 1 player anyway. MarineKing showed he was better than the StarTale team and got the championship fairly. Not like there was anything stopping Parting to win the second game, they both went identical builds.
You have to tealize that Parting couldn't play 100% because of that decision. You are psychically destroyed n such a scenario.
Regame was the right decision though.
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On April 09 2012 21:14 Tarotis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 21:04 noddy wrote:On April 09 2012 04:27 HolyArrow wrote:
I don't understand how some people are trying to argue that Prime's GSTL win isn't tainted by the regame. Sorry, but it is. Your (presumably) favorite team already won, so you should just be happy with that. The circumstances objectively weren't ideal, and MKP incontrovertibly had luck on his side. You can't have your cake and eat it too. There's no excuse for losing 4 players to 1 player anyway. MarineKing showed he was better than the StarTale team and got the championship fairly. Not like there was anything stopping Parting to win the second game, they both went identical builds. You have to tealize that Parting couldn't play 100% because of that decision. You are psychically destroyed n such a scenario. Regame was the right decision though.
I understand this but honestly, did you see MarineKing? He even said in the interviews he was mentally unwell after this decision so I think neither of them were in a good place.
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On April 09 2012 21:14 Tarotis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 21:04 noddy wrote:On April 09 2012 04:27 HolyArrow wrote:
I don't understand how some people are trying to argue that Prime's GSTL win isn't tainted by the regame. Sorry, but it is. Your (presumably) favorite team already won, so you should just be happy with that. The circumstances objectively weren't ideal, and MKP incontrovertibly had luck on his side. You can't have your cake and eat it too. There's no excuse for losing 4 players to 1 player anyway. MarineKing showed he was better than the StarTale team and got the championship fairly. Not like there was anything stopping Parting to win the second game, they both went identical builds. You have to tealize that Parting couldn't play 100% because of that decision. You are psychically destroyed n such a scenario. Regame was the right decision though.
psychically destroyed, what a boss. GhostKing used feedback on PartinG!
on topic: i am a prime/mkp fan, but i feel a bit hollow about the victory.
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I'm sure Koreans who highly appreciate manners will overcome this scandal looking toward upcoming GSL
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I feel like the GSTL format needs to be changed to the Brood War format, because if you have someone like MKP on your team they can just roll over most players on the other
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On April 10 2012 00:51 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
I feel like the GSTL format needs to be changed to the Brood War format, because if you have someone like MKP on your team they can just roll over most players on the other
then that team deserve to win....
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On April 09 2012 21:15 noddy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 21:14 Tarotis wrote:On April 09 2012 21:04 noddy wrote:On April 09 2012 04:27 HolyArrow wrote:
I don't understand how some people are trying to argue that Prime's GSTL win isn't tainted by the regame. Sorry, but it is. Your (presumably) favorite team already won, so you should just be happy with that. The circumstances objectively weren't ideal, and MKP incontrovertibly had luck on his side. You can't have your cake and eat it too. There's no excuse for losing 4 players to 1 player anyway. MarineKing showed he was better than the StarTale team and got the championship fairly. Not like there was anything stopping Parting to win the second game, they both went identical builds. You have to tealize that Parting couldn't play 100% because of that decision. You are psychically destroyed n such a scenario. Regame was the right decision though. I understand this but honestly, did you see MarineKing? He even said in the interviews he was mentally unwell after this decision so I think neither of them were in a good place.
Only one who is feeling bad after any regame of unfinished game, is the player who had an advantage, and pretty solid one. Parting like struggled to keep up all game, and at the end he just destroyed MKP army. Parting was devastated much much more.
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On April 10 2012 00:58 ninjamyst wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 00:51 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
I feel like the GSTL format needs to be changed to the Brood War format, because if you have someone like MKP on your team they can just roll over most players on the other then that team deserve to win....
In this format maybe.
But this is a team league and to be honest, I've been thinking about that as well.
A team league should be a team accomplishment, not just a single player being so good he can defeat a whole team.
It's the team in general that should do the trick.
I think the Broodwar finals this weekend were WAY more exciting than the whole GSTL finals. And that's not just because of the parting marineking dc incident, it's the format. It just feels more deserving for the winning team.
Oh well~
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That's silly. I wouldn't want to watch a set up where the players were pre-determined like that. It produces so much more drama and it's so much more intense to watch in this format.
For the disc situation, it's such a tough call, but really have a lot of respect for Prime's coach for what he said. He's so confident in his decisions and has so much faith in his team. Also MKP played fantastically regardless.
It is unfortunate that the win is tainted, there's no denying that. I actually was pretty certain when watching the game that MKP was about to GG. Parting had that momentum Protoss players seem to have after a big engagement in the late game that Terran can't recover from thanks to the warp-in mechanic. I'd love to hear the opinions of the Startale players on this.
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On April 10 2012 02:17 Kazuki wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 00:58 ninjamyst wrote:On April 10 2012 00:51 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
I feel like the GSTL format needs to be changed to the Brood War format, because if you have someone like MKP on your team they can just roll over most players on the other then that team deserve to win.... In this format maybe. But this is a team league and to be honest, I've been thinking about that as well. A team league should be a team accomplishment, not just a single player being so good he can defeat a whole team. It's the team in general that should do the trick. I think the Broodwar finals this weekend were WAY more exciting than the whole GSTL finals. And that's not just because of the parting marineking dc incident, it's the format. It just feels more deserving for the winning team. Oh well~
I agree. This KOTH style format that is so popular atm for sc2 just isn't that exciting. I loved BW's proleague style of 1 season of normal 4 1v1 + ace match, and then they would do winners league winner goes on until they lose. I wish GOM would do that but doesn't look like it, just so much more exciting to me :/.
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On April 10 2012 00:58 ninjamyst wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 00:51 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
I feel like the GSTL format needs to be changed to the Brood War format, because if you have someone like MKP on your team they can just roll over most players on the other then that team deserve to win....
No, the player deserves to win, not the team.
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Why does it matter? The player is a member of the team, so the team wins by extension.
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On April 10 2012 04:40 crocodile wrote:
Why does it matter? The player is a member of the team, so the team wins by extension.
Yea if you look at it like that but it feels not like team league that way, more like a marathon for a single player.
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If the other team doesn't have anyone good enough to take down one player, they don't deserve to win.
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Startale have won in my Heart they are the CHAMPIONS, SHAME on Prime Shame on this COACH and shame on GSL.
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On April 10 2012 04:37 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 00:58 ninjamyst wrote:On April 10 2012 00:51 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
I feel like the GSTL format needs to be changed to the Brood War format, because if you have someone like MKP on your team they can just roll over most players on the other then that team deserve to win.... No, the player deserves to win, not the team.
100% true.
i loved winners league for 2 reasons: it was 1 round out of 5 and kt always won ;-)
this is just too much. also, elimination bracket for a team "league" feels wrong.
but maybe that changes when kespa/ogn make their "proleague" for sc2.
also: maybe kespa/ogn have some kind of ip-rights for their format in e-sports? you dont know...
on topic: yaih mkp;-)
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ST got 4 opportunities to kill MKP without a PC crashing out of his control and didn't take any of them. Prime won it fair and square, the regame wasn't their decision and it wasn't their fault.
It is hard to celebrate such a victory was it does feel weird, but Prime shouldn't be blamed at all, and nor should GOM. Any decision was going to cause controversy and some people would feel cheated.
I really really really hope Gerard doesn't resign, as he's my favourite manager/coach because it's so clear that he has passion for his players.
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