슬레이어스 김가연 게임단주는 13일, 김동주와 윤영서가 팀을 떠난다고 공식 발표했다. 두 선수는 외국 팀 입단을 위해 슬레이어스를 떠났고, 슬레이어스는 공개 선발전을 통해 두 선수의 공백을 보강할 계획이다.
Taeja and GanZi have left officially left SlayerS.
Slayers_Jessica announced on March 13th that Ganzi/Taeja have both left the team. The reason being that both players wished to pursue foreign team opportunities. SlayerS announced that they plan to use the team draft http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319224, to replace these two players. GanZi: 먼저 김동주는 군 입대 시기와 외국 팀 진출을 위해 슬레이어스를 떠났다. 김동주는 “스타1부터 오랫동안 게이머 생활을 해왔고, 이제는 군대를 가야 할 시기도 됐다. 군에 가기 전까지 남은 시간 동안 외국에 진출해서 활동하고 싶다”는 이유를 밝혔다.
First off, Ganzi left SlayerS because of his enlistment period and his desire to play for a foreign team. Ganzi has been a long time gamer ever since the BW days, and now he must soon enlist in to the army. Before he goes to the army, Ganzi expressed his wishes to be in a foreign team until then in order to experience what it was like.
Taeja: 슬레이어스에서 숙소 생활을 하지 않았던 윤영서 역시 자유로운 연습 환경과 외국 진출을 위해 슬레이어스와 이별했다. 윤영서는 “이번 기회에 외국에 진출해 슬레이어스 출신 선수로 좋은 성적도 거두고, 한국 게이머의 위상을 보여주고 싶다”는 바람을 전했다.
Taeja, who never even lived in the SlayerS team house, was very used to his own individual practice routine, decided to leave SlayerS also to pursue an opportunity with a foreign team. Taeja stated that "as a former SlayerS player, he was going to take this opportunity to play for a foreign team while producing good results worthy of a professional Korean gamer."
김가연 게임단주 역시 두 선수의 의사를 존중해 이별을 결정했고, 앞으로 진행될 팀원 공개 선발전을 통해 두 선수의 빈 자리를 채울 예정이라고 밝혔다.
김가연 게임단주는 “김동주, 윤영서 두 선수는 모두 슬레이어스의 이름을 달고 좋은 성적을 거뒀고, GSTL에서도 큰 활동을 한 팀의 주축 선수라 이별이 아쉽다”며 “하지만 자신들의 진로 결정을 존중했고, 앞으로 어느 팀에서 활동하든 멋진 모습으로 만나길 기대한다. 그동안 슬레이어스 팀 소속으로 멋지게 활동해줘서 너무 고맙다”는 말을 전했다.
또한, 김가연 게임단주는 “두 선수의 탈퇴 소식이 공식 발표도 되지 않았는데 비공식적인 루트로 영입을 제의한 일부 관계자들은 이제 정식 발표가 됐으니 공개적으로 접촉하길 바란다”면서 “두 선수는 외국 팀 진출을 원하는 만큼 좋은 팀에서 제의를 받았으면 좋겠다. 두 선수의 공백은 팀원 선발전을 통해 좋은 선수들을 키워낼 계획”이라고 덧붙였다.
SlayerS_Jessica decided to respectfully honor the two players' wishes, and plans to replace the two opening spots through the new and upcoming team draft.
SlayerS_Jessica stated that "Taeja and Ganzi both represented SlayerS well with their results and were also valuable players for SlayerS in the GSTL. Therefore while it is very hard on the team to let them go, SlayerS respects both players' decisions and hope to see them do well in the future with foreign teams. I would like to express my gratitude to both players for all their hard work with SlayerS"
Also SlayerS_Jessica stated that now that SlayerS has publically announced both players officially leaving the team, she wishes that this will put all the rumors to rest. She also wished that whatever foreign team(s) accepts these two, it/they will be as enthusiastic to work with them as they are to work with a foreign team. SlayerS plans to take this opportunity to fill up Taeja and Ganzi's spaces and to produce great new players.
Ganzi plays tonight in his Up and Down group versus Ace, Sniper, Leenock, and Inca. Taeja qualified for Code S by beating Squirtle in the third round of Code A.
Wow! weird timing for ganzi to leave, he is just about to try for code S again, I mean. What if he wont qualify for code S. He wonthave half the value he would otherwise. Anyway, Good luck to both players! and hope they get a good team fast!
why does everyone think EG will pick them up... EG is not a dog that waits at the korean pro-table begging for scraps of teamless players. Just because they work with slayers doesn't mean anything either. keep in mind EG recently let players go, I don't think they're looking to recruit more high-maintainence koreans who don't bring in much ROI.
Wonder if GanZi decided to start his military service earlier. He said that he had like two years left before he would leave. I wonder if he's pulling a NaDa and looking for a foreign team to ride out his remaining term as a pro-gamer.
Taeja's decision is kind of understandable. With the amount of Terrans in the line-up he's maybe 4th-6th in the pecking order (MMA, Ganzi, Ryung, Boxer, Taeja, Clide).
Ganzi's decision is a little bit strange though, but given that he's one of the older members of the group, might make sense that he's chosen to do his military service as Fionn suspects. I don't see any other reason for why he would leave.
Holy shit. Slayers has lost so much depth and talent lately. I hope Boxer's eye for talent comes through again with their tryouts because the team needs it badly.
I wonder if this will really be sustainable. Foreign teams need to buy koreans to compete, yet it seems like foreigners are the ones with the biggest fanbases. Even though the koreans are on foreign teams they usually stay and practise in korea, right? Must be expensive flying everywhere.
On March 13 2012 17:19 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote: Why is everyone leaving slayers these days? Jessica maybe? Money is the most likely reason.
Everyone ? Really ? Ganzi has to do his millitary service and taeja probably wants a team where he actually is the ace player. Right now there are 3 obstacles in front of him that take the kspotlight
On March 13 2012 17:20 Battousai13 wrote: Wonder if GanZi decided to start his military service earlier. He said that he had like two years left before he would leave. I wonder if he's pulling a NaDa and looking for a foreign team to ride out his remaining term as a pro-gamer.
This makes the most sense imo. Ganzi will try to get as much foreign money as he can before he goes into the military.
On March 13 2012 17:22 pdd wrote: Taeja's decision is kind of understandable. With the amount of Terrans in the line-up he's maybe 4th-6th in the pecking order (MMA, Ganzi, Ryung, Boxer, Taeja, Clide).
Ganzi's decision is a little bit strange though, but given that he's one of the older members of the group, might make sense that he's chosen to do his military service as Fionn suspects. I don't see any other reason for why he would leave.
There's no way that Ryung, Clide or Boxer are better than Ganzi :p Ganzi just had a bad season last season and all it takes is few bad games to be in the up/downs.
Ganzi is leaving because he wants to taste the foreign scene before his military service obligation. Teaja is just wanting to focus foreign scene simliar to MC. And no, there is no drama involving Jessica.
I'm actually quite surprised that we hear a lot of people are leaving Slayers in particular. They were the team that struck me as having the the most friendly and comfortable training environment of the teams that were toured by CSN/Artosis.
On March 13 2012 17:27 exon wrote: One of those guys has to go to TL. Please :D.
Liquid tends to recruit older and more mature pro-gamers. I think Taeja is only 16? GanZi has an expiration date on him, it's unlikely he'd get picked up.
Without Ganzi and Taeja, SlayerS loses two of its best players. Two of the best terrans of the world out there on the free market, looking at you, generic competitive team!
This what happens when only one of your sons gets all the toys and candy.
Also, this really sucks for Slayers GSTL chances. MMA, Puzzle and Ryung is a good top three, but they lost a lot of their depth that made them so damn good. Especially with Ganzi's TvZ sniping ability and Taeja being an all-around great player. They also can't use Coca more than likely since he wasn't on the line-up at the start of the season.
I don't think EG will pick them up. It would be so awkward since EG has a partnership with slayers. Imagine Ganzi and Taeja leave slayers team house and then come back. This would not go well with Jessica.
Taeja should easily get picked up very quickly, such a under rated player and could be the ace for any foreign team. Ganzi will be interesting to see where he goes with only a short time till his military service.
Gd luck to them both and hopefully Slayers pick up more up and coming talent.
Hmmm, this would explain the rumors of a drop in morale in the SlayerS house that Wolf and Khaldor were discussing during yesterday's Code A matches when talking about how Cella doubts YuGioh could make it through Up and Down due to lack of practice. Interesting stuff...
Why is this disrespectful? I think just long as they have talked to Boxer and Jessica about it, it is totally fine. Honestly, with GSL moving to a 2 month schedule and foreign tournaments having korean qualifiers and bigger prize pool. It should not be a surprise that players want to be sent to more foreign events. And the reality of the situation is, koreans teams can probably only afford to 1-2 players. Do you think players like HerO, Puma, JYP, Zenio would be participating in so many foreign events if they were on Korean teams?
On March 13 2012 17:34 wenyuan wrote: I don't think EG will pick them up. It would be so awkward since EG has a partnership with slayers. Imagine Ganzi and Taeja leave slayers team house and then come back. This would not go well with Jessica.
On March 13 2012 17:22 pdd wrote: Taeja's decision is kind of understandable. With the amount of Terrans in the line-up he's maybe 4th-6th in the pecking order (MMA, Ganzi, Ryung, Boxer, Taeja, Clide).
Ganzi's decision is a little bit strange though, but given that he's one of the older members of the group, might make sense that he's chosen to do his military service as Fionn suspects. I don't see any other reason for why he would leave.
There's no way that Ryung, Clide or Boxer are better than Ganzi :p Ganzi just had a bad season last season and all it takes is few bad games to be in the up/downs.
Read my post against. I said Taeja is behind Ryung and Boxer. Ganzi is clearly their No. 2 or 3 Terran.
On March 13 2012 17:34 wenyuan wrote: I don't think EG will pick them up. It would be so awkward since EG has a partnership with slayers. Imagine Ganzi and Taeja leave slayers team house and then come back. This would not go well with Jessica.
This happened before with Zenio and Hero, leaving oGs and joining TL.
On March 13 2012 17:33 Fionn wrote: This what happens when only one of your sons gets all the toys and candy.
Also, this really sucks for Slayers GSTL chances. MMA, Puzzle and Ryung is a good top three, but they lost a lot of their depth that made them so damn good. Especially with Ganzi's TvZ sniping ability and Taeja being an all-around great player. They also can't use Coca more than likely since he wasn't on the line-up at the start of the season.
YuGiOh is a good ZvZ sniper. Brown is good in vZ too.
On March 13 2012 17:34 wenyuan wrote: I don't think EG will pick them up. It would be so awkward since EG has a partnership with slayers. Imagine Ganzi and Taeja leave slayers team house and then come back. This would not go well with Jessica.
They did it with Hero and Zenio :S
Yeah but those were more like transfers. Hero transferred to Liquid. And TheWind asked Liquid to take Zenio. I doubt this will happen with SlayerS and EG.
I admit i am surprised, but i think they will join foureign teams, so it's for the best! Sad for Slayers tho hope they get some "S grade Blood" in their team!
On March 13 2012 17:31 Tomken wrote: Lol it's so disrespectful what they are doing hope no one picks them up.
Honestly people lets calm down.... Professional athletes move from team to team based on contract offers and thats completely fine, if your team wants you they need to pay money and the fans accept that. But when Ganzi and Taeja decide to actually try and increase their earnings while they are still world class players they deserve to be flamed and exiled from our community, that seems about fair
Glad that Ganzi and Taeja are doing what they feel is best for their careers, I hope they find teams that are going to be able to get them in as many tournaments as possible (IE: Liquid, EG, Quantic)
On March 13 2012 17:35 eviltomahawk wrote: Hmmm, this would explain the rumors of a drop in morale in the SlayerS house that Wolf and Khaldor were discussing during yesterday's Code A matches when talking about how Cella doubts YuGioh could make it through Up and Down due to lack of practice. Interesting stuff...
I don't think Yugioh stays in the Slayers house though. He could have moved in recently though.
Wow, that came out of nowhere. I really looking for more info as to why though. SlayerS seems to be doing better than most teams, I would assume they could keep most of their players (unlike teams like Zenex or TSL).
I remember during GSL draw session recently where more or less all Slayers players openly said they wanted to beat MMA most of all as their main target. MMA always gets what he wants Ganzi said.
I asked people at this forum what was going on and people just said it was part of the game, nothing special that more or less al slayers people was dissing internally. To me it sounded like bad behaviour.
Now that Ganzi and Teija is leaving I am not that surprised. I guess it is just what people here write, they want to travel abroad and play in foreign tournaments and make cash. Not only MMA to be sent.
I can understand why koreans want to go to foreign teams, they get a lil salary + they get to travel and see the world why they compete in something els then the GSL.
Especially if they think they can manage good without the korean pro team houses, its no real reason to stay... is it?
Btw; I really cant see why Slayers decided to sign Clide, they already had young and exciting terrans... Especially TaeJa is a hard blow I think, he might be the next big Terran-King !!
I wouldnt be suprised if SK would pick Taeja up. He's quite talented. In general though it seems like many koreans run for the (foreign) hills to get some money.. Dont really like this trend so much.
On March 13 2012 17:42 zBro wrote: I don't like this that so many koreans are trying to join foreign teams
Most of the sc2 money and tournaments are in the Foreign scene, thou I don't like it either, but I don't blame them. There is a lack of money and tournaments in the Korean sc2 scene cause it's all still in sc1 at the moment.
I think this is a good oppertunity for ZeNEX to pick up some players. If they're willing to send them to forgein tournaments I bet they'd play for ZeNEX. They'd have to get sponsors first though.
On March 13 2012 17:42 zBro wrote: I don't like this that so many koreans are trying to join foreign teams
Tbh, I dont think its a problem, its soooo many good koreans, I think its good for foreigners also to have 2-3 good koreans in theier team, like EG and Liquid got now, I dont mind them even bringing in a couple more...
On March 13 2012 17:42 zBro wrote: I don't like this that so many koreans are trying to join foreign teams
Most of the sc2 money and tournaments are in the Foreign scene, thou I don't like it either, but I don't blame them. There is a lack of money and tournaments in the Korean sc2 scene cause it's all still in sc1 at the moment.
And League of Legends. Korea is SC:BW>LoL>Sc2 right now.
Ganzi is only 24, he can still delay his military service for quite some years, if he wants to. I wonder if really money is the reason for those two to leave, since slayers was known as one of the richer korean teams and sending quite a few players across the world in the last 6-9 months. Maybe some internal issues and disagreement with the team structure, but this is just speculation.
But really suprising to see 2 of their best players leave.
I think this 'issue' is in most korean teams. They just cannot afford to send 4-5 players to every foreign event. Nestea even mentioned that he feels bad for players like IMHappy who was doing well (semi in GSL, semi in WCG Korean) but got very little exposure and couldn't go to many foreign events.
I'm sure they're going to get payed well by a foreigner team, but I don't know if leaving the slayers house will be what's best for their careers in the long run; there just seems to be so much benifit from training with slayers; especially as a terrn
On March 13 2012 17:31 Tomken wrote: Lol it's so disrespectful what they are doing hope no one picks them up.
Maybe they actually got a better offer and they parted ways with slayers amicably?
Not every progamer wants to be grinding their ass off in korea , only to have that one opportunity to actually make money every few months ( GSL Code A trials ).
Chances are korean teams are only going to send their very best players ( DRG , nestea , mvp , mma , mc , puzzle , genius , leenock ) to foreign tournys anyway.
Anyway , hope taeja finds a good home soon , haven't seen much of him but he is good.
On March 13 2012 17:47 lichter wrote: Everyone looking at Puma and saying "LOL I'm about 10x better than that chump yet he earns 50x more than I do"
Makes sense, sadly
Beating MMA 3-1 doesnt really make you a chump. I think Puma would do very well in code S,
I didn't say he was a chump but I'm pretty sure Code S players, frustrated with the amount of money they make compared to a presently Code B player (though he is arguably Up/Down worthy), would certainly think that :p
On March 13 2012 17:48 Megakenny wrote: I think this is a good oppertunity for ZeNEX to pick up some players. If they're willing to send them to forgein tournaments I bet they'd play for ZeNEX. They'd have to get sponsors first though.
Im sorry, but lol... The reason why everyone left ZeNEX is because they got NO money...
On March 13 2012 17:48 Megakenny wrote: I think this is a good oppertunity for ZeNEX to pick up some players. If they're willing to send them to forgein tournaments I bet they'd play for ZeNEX. They'd have to get sponsors first though.
Im sorry, but lol... The reason why everyone left ZeNEX is because they got NO money...
Yeah, I was saying if they drummed up some sponsors, obviously they've been looking.
슬레이어스 김가연 게임단주는 13일, 김동주와 윤영서가 팀을 떠난다고 공식 발표했다. 두 선수는 외국 팀 입단을 위해 슬레이어스를 떠났고, 슬레이어스는 공개 선발전을 통해 두 선수의 공백을 보강할 계획이다.
Taeja and GanZi have officially left SlayerS.
Slayers_Jessica announced on March 13th that Ganzi/Taeja have both left the team. The reason being that both players wished to pursue foreign team opportunities. SlayerS announced that they plan to use the team draft http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319224, to replace these two players. GanZi: 먼저 김동주는 군 입대 시기와 외국 팀 진출을 위해 슬레이어스를 떠났다. 김동주는 “스타1부터 오랫동안 게이머 생활을 해왔고, 이제는 군대를 가야 할 시기도 됐다. 군에 가기 전까지 남은 시간 동안 외국에 진출해서 활동하고 싶다”는 이유를 밝혔다.
First off, Ganzi left SlayerS because of his enlistment period and his desire to play for a foreign team. Ganzi has been a long time gamer ever since the BW days, and now he must soon enlist in to the army. Before he goes to the army, Ganzi expressed his wishes to be in a foreign team until then in order to experience what it was like.
Taeja: 슬레이어스에서 숙소 생활을 하지 않았던 윤영서 역시 자유로운 연습 환경과 외국 진출을 위해 슬레이어스와 이별했다. 윤영서는 “이번 기회에 외국에 진출해 슬레이어스 출신 선수로 좋은 성적도 거두고, 한국 게이머의 위상을 보여주고 싶다”는 바람을 전했다.
Taeja, who never even lived in the SlayerS team house, was very used to his own individual practice routine, decided to leave SlayerS also to pursue an opportunity with a foreign team. Taeja stated that "as a former SlayerS player, he was going to take this opportunity to play for a foreign team while producing good results worthy of a professional Korean gamer."
김가연 게임단주 역시 두 선수의 의사를 존중해 이별을 결정했고, 앞으로 진행될 팀원 공개 선발전을 통해 두 선수의 빈 자리를 채울 예정이라고 밝혔다.
김가연 게임단주는 “김동주, 윤영서 두 선수는 모두 슬레이어스의 이름을 달고 좋은 성적을 거뒀고, GSTL에서도 큰 활동을 한 팀의 주축 선수라 이별이 아쉽다”며 “하지만 자신들의 진로 결정을 존중했고, 앞으로 어느 팀에서 활동하든 멋진 모습으로 만나길 기대한다. 그동안 슬레이어스 팀 소속으로 멋지게 활동해줘서 너무 고맙다”는 말을 전했다.
또한, 김가연 게임단주는 “두 선수의 탈퇴 소식이 공식 발표도 되지 않았는데 비공식적인 루트로 영입을 제의한 일부 관계자들은 이제 정식 발표가 됐으니 공개적으로 접촉하길 바란다”면서 “두 선수는 외국 팀 진출을 원하는 만큼 좋은 팀에서 제의를 받았으면 좋겠다. 두 선수의 공백은 팀원 선발전을 통해 좋은 선수들을 키워낼 계획”이라고 덧붙였다.
SlayerS_Jessica decided to respectfully honor the two players' wishes, and plans to replace the two opening spots through the new and upcoming team draft.
SlayerS_Jessica stated that "Taeja and Ganzi both represented SlayerS well with their results and were also valuable players for SlayerS in the GSTL. Therefore while it is very hard on the team to let them go, SlayerS respects both players' decisions and hope to see them do well in the future with foreign teams. I would like to express my gratitude to both players for all their hard work with SlayerS"
Also SlayerS_Jessica stated that now that SlayerS has publically announced both players officially leaving the team, she wishes that this will put all the rumors to rest. She also wished that whatever foreign team(s) accepts these two, it/they will be as enthusiastic to work with them as they are to work with a foreign team. SlayerS plans to take this opportunity to fill up Taeja and Ganzi's spaces and to produce great new players.
On March 13 2012 17:47 lichter wrote: Everyone looking at Puma and saying "LOL I'm about 10x better than that chump yet he earns 50x more than I do"
Makes sense, sadly
Beating MMA 3-1 doesnt really make you a chump. I think Puma would do very well in code S,
I doubt that. The win against MMA was the first win against a Code S player for a long while. If we take out MC than it's really hard just to find another (code-s) player that he actually beat. (atm noone comes to my mind, but there might be someone). His winratio against the top of korea is very bad. That's no shame at all, we all know Puma is a very good player, but barely not the level of code s.
taeja was expected because of that thread ganzi i actually think he is tired of being in the shadow of MMA but who wouldnt be? ganzi is going to another korean team would be my best guess
On March 13 2012 17:56 Opera wrote: I hope they both find new teams that fit their needs soon. I feel bad for Millenium though, they maybe could have pick one of those over Dragon.
Depends what they're going for, fans wise Dragon is the better choice, if they want to win/do well in tournaments maybe one of these two would be better. But who says they cant have both Dragon and one of these two, or even both of them?
On March 13 2012 17:47 lichter wrote: Everyone looking at Puma and saying "LOL I'm about 10x better than that chump yet he earns 50x more than I do"
Makes sense, sadly
Beating MMA 3-1 doesnt really make you a chump. I think Puma would do very well in code S,
I doubt that. The win against MMA was the first win against a Code S player for a long while. If we take out MC than it's really hard just to find another (code-s) player that he actually beat. (atm noone comes to my mind, but there might be someone). His winratio against the top of korea is very bad. That's no shame at all, we all know Puma is a very good player, but barely not the level of code s.
how many times did puma try out for Code A? oh i think it was like 1-2 times? dont bash him when you dont know much.. liquid hero is the exact same he got 0-4 or something in the blizzard cup and his in code s now .. Puma is a Code S type player only reason you probably are bashing him is because your anti-EG thats why
On March 13 2012 17:56 Opera wrote: I hope they both find new teams that fit their needs soon. I feel bad for Millenium though, they maybe could have pick one of those over Dragon.
Hmm, Dragon did gain them a lot of publicity imo since he's such a popular streamer and what not.
GanZi: 먼저 김동주는 군 입대 시기와 외국 팀 진출을 위해 슬레이어스를 떠났다. 김동주는 “스타1부터 오랫동안 게이머 생활을 해왔고, 이제는 군대를 가야 할 시기도 됐다. 군에 가기 전까지 남은 시간 동안 외국에 진출해서 활동하고 싶다”는 이유를 밝혔다.
First off, Ganzi left SlayerS because of his enlistment period and his desire to play for a foreign team. Ganzi has been a long time gamer ever since the BW days, and now he must soon enlist in to the army. Before he goes to the army, Ganzi expressed his wishes to be in a foreign team until then in order to experience what it was like.
lol the army reason seems just something for dont say straight that he wants to join a foreign team, well I understand him players need money they arent just playing for passion here, this is also their job. They are good players so might find teams pretty fast
On March 13 2012 17:47 lichter wrote: Everyone looking at Puma and saying "LOL I'm about 10x better than that chump yet he earns 50x more than I do"
Makes sense, sadly
Beating MMA 3-1 doesnt really make you a chump. I think Puma would do very well in code S,
I doubt that. The win against MMA was the first win against a Code S player for a long while. If we take out MC than it's really hard just to find another (code-s) player that he actually beat. (atm noone comes to my mind, but there might be someone). His winratio against the top of korea is very bad. That's no shame at all, we all know Puma is a very good player, but barely not the level of code s.
Going back from the end of december code S players he beat were zenio, lucky (3-0), JYP (dropped out of code S but still was last season), MMA and lost 2-3 vs MC. I mean in general I agree there isn't many code S players that he has played lately to say whether he's "worthy" or not.
On March 13 2012 17:47 lichter wrote: Everyone looking at Puma and saying "LOL I'm about 10x better than that chump yet he earns 50x more than I do"
Makes sense, sadly
Beating MMA 3-1 doesnt really make you a chump. I think Puma would do very well in code S,
I doubt that. The win against MMA was the first win against a Code S player for a long while. If we take out MC than it's really hard just to find another (code-s) player that he actually beat. (atm noone comes to my mind, but there might be someone). His winratio against the top of korea is very bad. That's no shame at all, we all know Puma is a very good player, but barely not the level of code s.
Recently Puma has been impressing me. Especially at the latest IEM tournanent, I can hardly name alot of terrans playing better then him at the moment. Probably only MKP, who is in great form, Jjakji and MMA I rate higher as terrans .Norrmally MVP aswell but I think he is injured and because of that not producing results.
Unexpected, but awesome. I hope they find what they're looking for, and I know they'll show us incredible games. Hoping for one of them to go to Liquid; if I had to guess I'd say Taeja, "independent practice style" sounds like Zenio and Hero, who have both been showing great results with Liquid. A deadly triumvirate that would be...
On March 13 2012 17:47 lichter wrote: Everyone looking at Puma and saying "LOL I'm about 10x better than that chump yet he earns 50x more than I do"
Makes sense, sadly
Beating MMA 3-1 doesnt really make you a chump. I think Puma would do very well in code S,
I doubt that. The win against MMA was the first win against a Code S player for a long while. If we take out MC than it's really hard just to find another (code-s) player that he actually beat. (atm noone comes to my mind, but there might be someone). His winratio against the top of korea is very bad. That's no shame at all, we all know Puma is a very good player, but barely not the level of code s.
Recently Puma has been impressing me. Especially at the latest IEM tournanent, I can hardly name alot of terrans playing better then him at the moment. Probably only MKP, who is in great form, Jjakji and MMA I rate higher as terrans .Norrmally MVP aswell but I think he is injured and because of that not producing results.
There are at least 15 terrans better than Puma, even though he truly is top 3 at managing engagements, behind Jjakji. Also, this is a heavy blow to Slayers, even though they never truly showed much caring for Taeja, he was probably the 2nd best player, with the most potential on the team, puzzle got nothing on him.
i dont feel a foreign team could come close to a team like slayers, K teams need more sponsors to stop this happening hopefully LIquid can get taeja hes an awesome palyer
On March 13 2012 17:47 lichter wrote: Everyone looking at Puma and saying "LOL I'm about 10x better than that chump yet he earns 50x more than I do"
Makes sense, sadly
Beating MMA 3-1 doesnt really make you a chump. I think Puma would do very well in code S,
I doubt that. The win against MMA was the first win against a Code S player for a long while. If we take out MC than it's really hard just to find another (code-s) player that he actually beat. (atm noone comes to my mind, but there might be someone). His winratio against the top of korea is very bad. That's no shame at all, we all know Puma is a very good player, but barely not the level of code s.
Recently Puma has been impressing me. Especially at the latest IEM tournanent, I can hardly name alot of terrans playing better then him at the moment. Probably only MKP, who is in great form, Jjakji and MMA I rate higher as terrans .Norrmally MVP aswell but I think he is injured and because of that not producing results.
There are at least 15 terrans better than Puma, even though he truly is top 3 at managing engagements, behind Jjakji. Also, this is a heavy blow to Slayers, even though they never truly showed much caring for Taeja, he was probably the 2nd best player, with the most potential on the team, puzzle got nothing on him.
Did 15 come out of your random number generator? 15 is not very likely. The ones I named plus maybe 1 I forgot.
Yeah... this is really going to hurt Slayes in the GSTL. Although, how many of us had heard of Taeja, Ganzi, or MMA prior to their joining Slayers. Boxer seems to have a gift for finding diamonds in the rough.
Liquid`Taeja would be better than Liquid`Ganzi since Ganzi has to do military service sooner and wouldn't be able to stay on the team as long. Also, Taeja is a better player.
Totally unexpected... but best wishes to both players. Seem like all parties are happy and there are no hard feelings. Looking forward to seeing who picks up Ganzi and Taeja.
On March 13 2012 17:47 lichter wrote: Everyone looking at Puma and saying "LOL I'm about 10x better than that chump yet he earns 50x more than I do"
Makes sense, sadly
Beating MMA 3-1 doesnt really make you a chump. I think Puma would do very well in code S,
I doubt that. The win against MMA was the first win against a Code S player for a long while. If we take out MC than it's really hard just to find another (code-s) player that he actually beat. (atm noone comes to my mind, but there might be someone). His winratio against the top of korea is very bad. That's no shame at all, we all know Puma is a very good player, but barely not the level of code s.
Recently Puma has been impressing me. Especially at the latest IEM tournanent, I can hardly name alot of terrans playing better then him at the moment. Probably only MKP, who is in great form, Jjakji and MMA I rate higher as terrans .Norrmally MVP aswell but I think he is injured and because of that not producing results.
There are at least 15 terrans better than Puma, even though he truly is top 3 at managing engagements, behind Jjakji. Also, this is a heavy blow to Slayers, even though they never truly showed much caring for Taeja, he was probably the 2nd best player, with the most potential on the team, puzzle got nothing on him.
Did 15 come out of your random number generator? 15 is not very likely. The ones I named plus maybe 1 I forgot.
Mvp, sC, Happy, Jjakji, Keen, GanZi, MKP, Bomber, SuperNoVa, aLive, MMA, GuMiho, Polt, TaeJa, Ryung , TheSTC and maybe Boxer, Clide and ForGG IMO are better then PuMa.
On March 13 2012 18:21 Zzoram wrote: Liquid`Taeja would be better than Liquid`Ganzi since Ganzi has to do military service sooner and wouldn't be able to stay on the team as long. Also, Taeja is a better player.
Liquid badly needs a Terran.
I agree that Taeja is better then Ganzi. Never liked Ganzi for some reason(like Polt), no particular reason. Not sure if Liquid is the right team for Taeja though. I was thinking of a team that could actually use a korean with the quality of Taeja like SK. Definitely not EG or Col.
On March 13 2012 17:19 darkscream wrote: why does everyone think EG will pick them up... EG is not a dog that waits at the korean pro-table begging for scraps of teamless players. Just because they work with slayers doesn't mean anything either. keep in mind EG recently let players go, I don't think they're looking to recruit more high-maintainence koreans who don't bring in much ROI.
... don't bring in much ROI?
... do you know how good Taeja and Ganzi are? They have an enormous chance of dominating foreign tourneys.
Having said that, EG already has a good Korean terran, so I don't know whether they'd be in the market for another. I'd imagine that the other EG players are feeling the heat... (i.e. idra, demuslim, etc.)
That's really sad :/ Hope that both will do well in the future! I'm curious though whether they will both join the same team or whether they will be on total different teams (more likely imo).
On March 13 2012 18:21 Zzoram wrote: Liquid`Taeja would be better than Liquid`Ganzi since Ganzi has to do military service sooner and wouldn't be able to stay on the team as long. Also, Taeja is a better player.
Liquid badly needs a Terran.
I agree that Taeja is better then Ganzi. Never liked Ganzi for some reason(like Polt), no particular reason. Not sure if Liquid is the right team for Taeja though. I was thinking of a team that could actually use a korean with the quality of Taeja like SK. Definitely not EG or Col.
Liquid needs a Terran. Look at their teamleague line ups, it's either all Zerg or all Zerg plus HerO.
Too bad there isn't a team like Airforce Ace in sc2 so players like Ganzi and Check that are going in to the military can still play sc2 and serve at the same time.
wow recently there's been a lot of fuzz in the sc2 scene. what is suprising most though is that all of the sudden so many koreans want to play for foreign teams... sc2 has done so much for connecting the global scene. in one year it has done more in this perspective than bw in 10! just consider all the int. tournaments w/ korean players or the amount of foreigners in korea to compete in the gsl. plus all the koreans on foreign rosters...
as for these two and the slayers team best of luck in the future!
Not sure how willing people are to pick Ganzi as it sounded like he was going to go to the army soon-ish. Liquid would to well to pick up Taeja. Super-solid Terran, who seems like a genuinly nice guy. The only Terran they have atm is Jinro, who is unfortunately not producing very impressive results. Another Terran would do them just fine.
SlayerS will probably be crippled thanks to this. I don't think their B-teamers like Crank, Brown, Min and the like are up to filling those pants for now.
On March 13 2012 17:19 [GiTM]-Ace wrote: wow ganzi too...... man koreans really do want to join foreign teams
Mostly because it's free money winning all the tournaments we host. Compare that to the GSL which is insanely hard to win. Either compete and have a 1% chance of winning a tournament once a month at best or go to the foreign tournaments that are everywhere and only have to worry about the 2-4 koreans that are participating.
On March 13 2012 17:47 lichter wrote: Everyone looking at Puma and saying "LOL I'm about 10x better than that chump yet he earns 50x more than I do"
Makes sense, sadly
Beating MMA 3-1 doesnt really make you a chump. I think Puma would do very well in code S,
I doubt that. The win against MMA was the first win against a Code S player for a long while. If we take out MC than it's really hard just to find another (code-s) player that he actually beat. (atm noone comes to my mind, but there might be someone). His winratio against the top of korea is very bad. That's no shame at all, we all know Puma is a very good player, but barely not the level of code s.
Recently Puma has been impressing me. Especially at the latest IEM tournanent, I can hardly name alot of terrans playing better then him at the moment. Probably only MKP, who is in great form, Jjakji and MMA I rate higher as terrans .Norrmally MVP aswell but I think he is injured and because of that not producing results.
There are at least 15 terrans better than Puma, even though he truly is top 3 at managing engagements, behind Jjakji. Also, this is a heavy blow to Slayers, even though they never truly showed much caring for Taeja, he was probably the 2nd best player, with the most potential on the team, puzzle got nothing on him.
Did 15 come out of your random number generator? 15 is not very likely. The ones I named plus maybe 1 I forgot.
Mvp, sC, Happy, Jjakji, Keen, GanZi, MKP, Bomber, SuperNoVa, aLive, MMA, GuMiho, Polt, TaeJa, Ryung , TheSTC and maybe Boxer, Clide and ForGG IMO are better then PuMa.
I'll take that challenge and give you my opinion why not:
MVP: Injured sC: had health problems not on his old form yet Jjakji: Agree with you there Keen: Slumping abit, been beaten down by Nada all the time(who is not on your lost and rightly so) Ganzi:Doubtfull maybe equal to Puma MKP: Defintely better then Puma at the moment Bomberlays great sometimes and looks god awfull the next game..I'd say Puma is better at staying consistent Supernova: Just no. Good TvT though Alive: Didnt he get roflstomped in the semifinals of GSL MMa:Agreed Gumiho:He is good..I'd say equal even thoug he might be a one hit wonder with his weird style Polt:Recently really good. Maybe Taeja:Not sure. I like Taeja but I like Puma more. Ryung. good TvT'er..not allround enough TheSTC:Definitely good..but not as good as Puma I'd say. I'd have to see more of him though Boxer: Hahaha..no way..the Emperor is not showing anything these days Clide: Have you seen his recent games..he is terrible at the moment ForGG: The Elephant that became a mouse. sorry.
Liquid would do well to sign Taeja. His skill level plus Liquid's popularity would catapult him to star status in the foreign scene IMO. At least on par with Hero if not even more popular.
So, they want to "see what it feels like to play in foreign teams", huh? That's a nice way of saying that they want a bigger salary. They're professionals who make their living playing SC2, so of course they're going to want to make as much money from it as possible. It's the same reason why MC and NaDa left oGs a while back. Of course, they don't want to say it out loud in fear of alienating their fans, and instead say they're looking for new personal challenges/a fresh perspective/a different experience or some other bs.
On March 13 2012 17:47 lichter wrote: Everyone looking at Puma and saying "LOL I'm about 10x better than that chump yet he earns 50x more than I do"
Makes sense, sadly
Beating MMA 3-1 doesnt really make you a chump. I think Puma would do very well in code S,
I doubt that. The win against MMA was the first win against a Code S player for a long while. If we take out MC than it's really hard just to find another (code-s) player that he actually beat. (atm noone comes to my mind, but there might be someone). His winratio against the top of korea is very bad. That's no shame at all, we all know Puma is a very good player, but barely not the level of code s.
Recently Puma has been impressing me. Especially at the latest IEM tournanent, I can hardly name alot of terrans playing better then him at the moment. Probably only MKP, who is in great form, Jjakji and MMA I rate higher as terrans .Norrmally MVP aswell but I think he is injured and because of that not producing results.
There are at least 15 terrans better than Puma, even though he truly is top 3 at managing engagements, behind Jjakji. Also, this is a heavy blow to Slayers, even though they never truly showed much caring for Taeja, he was probably the 2nd best player, with the most potential on the team, puzzle got nothing on him.
Did 15 come out of your random number generator? 15 is not very likely. The ones I named plus maybe 1 I forgot.
Mvp, sC, Happy, Jjakji, Keen, GanZi, MKP, Bomber, SuperNoVa, aLive, MMA, GuMiho, Polt, TaeJa, Ryung , TheSTC and maybe Boxer, Clide and ForGG IMO are better then PuMa.
I'll take that challenge to give good arguments why they are not:
MPV: Injured sC: had health problems not on his old form yet Jjakji: Agree with you there Keen: Slumping abit, been beaten down by Nada all the time(who is not on your lost and rightly so) Ganzi:Doubtfull maybe equal to Puma MKP: Defintely better then Puma at the moment Bomberlays great sometimes and looks god awfull the next game..I'd say Puma is better at staying consistent Supernova: Just no. Good TvT though Alive: Didnt he get roflstomped in the semifinals of GSL MMa:Agreed Gumiho:He is good..I'd say equal even thoug he might be a one hit wonder with his weird style Polt:Recently really good. Maybe Taeja:Not sure. I like Taeja but I like Puma more. Ryung. good TvT'er..not allround enough TheSTC:Definitely good..but not as good as Puma I'd say. I'd have to see more of him though Boxer: Hahaha..no way..the Emperor is not showing anything these days Clide: Have you seen his recent games..he is terrible at the moment ForGG: The Elephant that became a mouse. sorry.
Typical EG fan out there. All these are mainstay players Code A/S, what makes you think that puma is better than them? Just to pick a few Sure Mvp and Sc have health problem, the skill they displayed in their games are still much better than Puma. Puma looked completely helpless against stephano while polt just demolishes stephano. Furtheremore, has Puma made it past the preliminaries of the GSL? maybe once but quickly got knocked out in the first round. Just because someone can pwn some foreigners' ass and make tons of easy money doesnt make them better than Code A/S mainstayers.
On March 13 2012 17:19 [GiTM]-Ace wrote: wow ganzi too...... man koreans really do want to join foreign teams
Mostly because it's free money winning all the tournaments we host. Compare that to the GSL which is insanely hard to win. Either compete and have a 1% chance of winning a tournament once a month at best or go to the foreign tournaments that are everywhere and only have to worry about the 2-4 koreans that are participating.
That's only part of it. I believe the main draw is the fact that they'll actually get paid a decent salary.
On March 13 2012 17:19 [GiTM]-Ace wrote: wow ganzi too...... man koreans really do want to join foreign teams
Mostly because it's free money winning all the tournaments we host. Compare that to the GSL which is insanely hard to win. Either compete and have a 1% chance of winning a tournament once a month at best or go to the foreign tournaments that are everywhere and only have to worry about the 2-4 koreans that are participating.
Taeja won so many Korean weekly (IMO the second hardest tournament in sc2) and most of the time the prize money for first prize is a wooping $100 you can get that or more for just showing up to a foreign tournament.
On March 13 2012 17:47 lichter wrote: Everyone looking at Puma and saying "LOL I'm about 10x better than that chump yet he earns 50x more than I do"
Makes sense, sadly
Beating MMA 3-1 doesnt really make you a chump. I think Puma would do very well in code S,
I doubt that. The win against MMA was the first win against a Code S player for a long while. If we take out MC than it's really hard just to find another (code-s) player that he actually beat. (atm noone comes to my mind, but there might be someone). His winratio against the top of korea is very bad. That's no shame at all, we all know Puma is a very good player, but barely not the level of code s.
Recently Puma has been impressing me. Especially at the latest IEM tournanent, I can hardly name alot of terrans playing better then him at the moment. Probably only MKP, who is in great form, Jjakji and MMA I rate higher as terrans .Norrmally MVP aswell but I think he is injured and because of that not producing results.
There are at least 15 terrans better than Puma, even though he truly is top 3 at managing engagements, behind Jjakji. Also, this is a heavy blow to Slayers, even though they never truly showed much caring for Taeja, he was probably the 2nd best player, with the most potential on the team, puzzle got nothing on him.
Did 15 come out of your random number generator? 15 is not very likely. The ones I named plus maybe 1 I forgot.
Mvp, sC, Happy, Jjakji, Keen, GanZi, MKP, Bomber, SuperNoVa, aLive, MMA, GuMiho, Polt, TaeJa, Ryung , TheSTC and maybe Boxer, Clide and ForGG IMO are better then PuMa.
I'll take that challenge and give you my opinion why not:
MVP: Injured sC: had health problems not on his old form yet Jjakji: Agree with you there Keen: Slumping abit, been beaten down by Nada all the time(who is not on your lost and rightly so) Ganzi:Doubtfull maybe equal to Puma MKP: Defintely better then Puma at the moment Bomberlays great sometimes and looks god awfull the next game..I'd say Puma is better at staying consistent Supernova: Just no. Good TvT though Alive: Didnt he get roflstomped in the semifinals of GSL MMa:Agreed Gumiho:He is good..I'd say equal even thoug he might be a one hit wonder with his weird style Polt:Recently really good. Maybe Taeja:Not sure. I like Taeja but I like Puma more. Ryung. good TvT'er..not allround enough TheSTC:Definitely good..but not as good as Puma I'd say. I'd have to see more of him though Boxer: Hahaha..no way..the Emperor is not showing anything these days Clide: Have you seen his recent games..he is terrible at the moment ForGG: The Elephant that became a mouse. sorry.
On March 13 2012 17:47 lichter wrote: Everyone looking at Puma and saying "LOL I'm about 10x better than that chump yet he earns 50x more than I do"
Makes sense, sadly
Beating MMA 3-1 doesnt really make you a chump. I think Puma would do very well in code S,
I doubt that. The win against MMA was the first win against a Code S player for a long while. If we take out MC than it's really hard just to find another (code-s) player that he actually beat. (atm noone comes to my mind, but there might be someone). His winratio against the top of korea is very bad. That's no shame at all, we all know Puma is a very good player, but barely not the level of code s.
Recently Puma has been impressing me. Especially at the latest IEM tournanent, I can hardly name alot of terrans playing better then him at the moment. Probably only MKP, who is in great form, Jjakji and MMA I rate higher as terrans .Norrmally MVP aswell but I think he is injured and because of that not producing results.
There are at least 15 terrans better than Puma, even though he truly is top 3 at managing engagements, behind Jjakji. Also, this is a heavy blow to Slayers, even though they never truly showed much caring for Taeja, he was probably the 2nd best player, with the most potential on the team, puzzle got nothing on him.
Did 15 come out of your random number generator? 15 is not very likely. The ones I named plus maybe 1 I forgot.
Mvp, sC, Happy, Jjakji, Keen, GanZi, MKP, Bomber, SuperNoVa, aLive, MMA, GuMiho, Polt, TaeJa, Ryung , TheSTC and maybe Boxer, Clide and ForGG IMO are better then PuMa.
I'll take that challenge to give good arguments why they are not:
MPV: Injured sC: had health problems not on his old form yet Jjakji: Agree with you there Keen: Slumping abit, been beaten down by Nada all the time(who is not on your lost and rightly so) Ganzi:Doubtfull maybe equal to Puma MKP: Defintely better then Puma at the moment Bomberlays great sometimes and looks god awfull the next game..I'd say Puma is better at staying consistent Supernova: Just no. Good TvT though Alive: Didnt he get roflstomped in the semifinals of GSL MMa:Agreed Gumiho:He is good..I'd say equal even thoug he might be a one hit wonder with his weird style Polt:Recently really good. Maybe Taeja:Not sure. I like Taeja but I like Puma more. Ryung. good TvT'er..not allround enough TheSTC:Definitely good..but not as good as Puma I'd say. I'd have to see more of him though Boxer: Hahaha..no way..the Emperor is not showing anything these days Clide: Have you seen his recent games..he is terrible at the moment ForGG: The Elephant that became a mouse. sorry.
Typical EG fan out there. All these are mainstay players Code A/S, what makes you think that puma is better than them? Just to pick a few Sure Mvp and Sc have health problem, the skill they displayed in their games are still much better than Puma. Puma looked completely helpless against stephano while polt just demolishes stephano. Furtheremore, has Puma made it past the preliminaries of the GSL? maybe once but quickly got knocked out in the first round. Just because someone can pwn some foreigners' ass and make tons of easy money doesnt make them better than Code A/S mainstayers.
I'm not an EG fan. I like how Puma is playing at the moment. My true love is DRG and MKP
On March 13 2012 18:45 Zzoram wrote: There is nothing wrong with a boss like MC wanting an actual salary. He's the best Protoss in the world, he shouldn't have to work for peanuts.
Of course not. The same is true for any professional athlete, not just esports. How long do you think some basketball or football superstar would play their sport if they got minimum wage for it? They'd rather become and accountant and say that they wanted to experience some new challenges.
On March 13 2012 17:47 lichter wrote: Everyone looking at Puma and saying "LOL I'm about 10x better than that chump yet he earns 50x more than I do"
Makes sense, sadly
Beating MMA 3-1 doesnt really make you a chump. I think Puma would do very well in code S,
I doubt that. The win against MMA was the first win against a Code S player for a long while. If we take out MC than it's really hard just to find another (code-s) player that he actually beat. (atm noone comes to my mind, but there might be someone). His winratio against the top of korea is very bad. That's no shame at all, we all know Puma is a very good player, but barely not the level of code s.
Recently Puma has been impressing me. Especially at the latest IEM tournanent, I can hardly name alot of terrans playing better then him at the moment. Probably only MKP, who is in great form, Jjakji and MMA I rate higher as terrans .Norrmally MVP aswell but I think he is injured and because of that not producing results.
There are at least 15 terrans better than Puma, even though he truly is top 3 at managing engagements, behind Jjakji. Also, this is a heavy blow to Slayers, even though they never truly showed much caring for Taeja, he was probably the 2nd best player, with the most potential on the team, puzzle got nothing on him.
Did 15 come out of your random number generator? 15 is not very likely. The ones I named plus maybe 1 I forgot.
Mvp, sC, Happy, Jjakji, Keen, GanZi, MKP, Bomber, SuperNoVa, aLive, MMA, GuMiho, Polt, TaeJa, Ryung , TheSTC and maybe Boxer, Clide and ForGG IMO are better then PuMa.
I'll take that challenge to give good arguments why they are not:
MPV: Injured sC: had health problems not on his old form yet Jjakji: Agree with you there Keen: Slumping abit, been beaten down by Nada all the time(who is not on your lost and rightly so) Ganzi:Doubtfull maybe equal to Puma MKP: Defintely better then Puma at the moment Bomberlays great sometimes and looks god awfull the next game..I'd say Puma is better at staying consistent Supernova: Just no. Good TvT though Alive: Didnt he get roflstomped in the semifinals of GSL MMa:Agreed Gumiho:He is good..I'd say equal even thoug he might be a one hit wonder with his weird style Polt:Recently really good. Maybe Taeja:Not sure. I like Taeja but I like Puma more. Ryung. good TvT'er..not allround enough TheSTC:Definitely good..but not as good as Puma I'd say. I'd have to see more of him though Boxer: Hahaha..no way..the Emperor is not showing anything these days Clide: Have you seen his recent games..he is terrible at the moment ForGG: The Elephant that became a mouse. sorry.
Typical EG fan out there. All these are mainstay players Code A/S, what makes you think that puma is better than them? Just to pick a few Sure Mvp and Sc have health problem, the skill they displayed in their games are still much better than Puma. Puma looked completely helpless against stephano while polt just demolishes stephano. Furtheremore, has Puma made it past the preliminaries of the GSL? maybe once but quickly got knocked out in the first round. Just because someone can pwn some foreigners' ass and make tons of easy money doesnt make them better than Code A/S mainstayers.
Sounds like you're pretty blind yourself. PuMa has never played a foreigner in the final set of any of the tournaments hes won. Hes always beaten code S caliber players to go on and win the whole thing. He doesn't stand pretty as the 5th highest overall earning sc2 player for no reason. I think PuMa's only attended like 2 code A qualifiers since hes been on EG. DRG and MMA both struggled to get into code A and once they got through they had trouble getting to Code S (they had to place well at MLGs to get the code seeds).
PuMa does have a weak TvZ though, just like most players, code S or not, have week match ups. Also I'm not saying PuMa is better than all those players on the list but he definitely deserves recognition as a worthy competitor amongst them.
On March 13 2012 17:47 lichter wrote: Everyone looking at Puma and saying "LOL I'm about 10x better than that chump yet he earns 50x more than I do"
Makes sense, sadly
Beating MMA 3-1 doesnt really make you a chump. I think Puma would do very well in code S,
I doubt that. The win against MMA was the first win against a Code S player for a long while. If we take out MC than it's really hard just to find another (code-s) player that he actually beat. (atm noone comes to my mind, but there might be someone). His winratio against the top of korea is very bad. That's no shame at all, we all know Puma is a very good player, but barely not the level of code s.
Recently Puma has been impressing me. Especially at the latest IEM tournanent, I can hardly name alot of terrans playing better then him at the moment. Probably only MKP, who is in great form, Jjakji and MMA I rate higher as terrans .Norrmally MVP aswell but I think he is injured and because of that not producing results.
There are at least 15 terrans better than Puma, even though he truly is top 3 at managing engagements, behind Jjakji. Also, this is a heavy blow to Slayers, even though they never truly showed much caring for Taeja, he was probably the 2nd best player, with the most potential on the team, puzzle got nothing on him.
Did 15 come out of your random number generator? 15 is not very likely. The ones I named plus maybe 1 I forgot.
Mvp, sC, Happy, Jjakji, Keen, GanZi, MKP, Bomber, SuperNoVa, aLive, MMA, GuMiho, Polt, TaeJa, Ryung , TheSTC and maybe Boxer, Clide and ForGG IMO are better then PuMa.
I'll take that challenge to give good arguments why they are not:
MPV: Injured sC: had health problems not on his old form yet Jjakji: Agree with you there Keen: Slumping abit, been beaten down by Nada all the time(who is not on your lost and rightly so) Ganzi:Doubtfull maybe equal to Puma MKP: Defintely better then Puma at the moment Bomberlays great sometimes and looks god awfull the next game..I'd say Puma is better at staying consistent Supernova: Just no. Good TvT though Alive: Didnt he get roflstomped in the semifinals of GSL MMa:Agreed Gumiho:He is good..I'd say equal even thoug he might be a one hit wonder with his weird style Polt:Recently really good. Maybe Taeja:Not sure. I like Taeja but I like Puma more. Ryung. good TvT'er..not allround enough TheSTC:Definitely good..but not as good as Puma I'd say. I'd have to see more of him though Boxer: Hahaha..no way..the Emperor is not showing anything these days Clide: Have you seen his recent games..he is terrible at the moment ForGG: The Elephant that became a mouse. sorry.
Typical EG fan out there. All these are mainstay players Code A/S, what makes you think that puma is better than them? Just to pick a few Sure Mvp and Sc have health problem, the skill they displayed in their games are still much better than Puma. Puma looked completely helpless against stephano while polt just demolishes stephano. Furtheremore, has Puma made it past the preliminaries of the GSL? maybe once but quickly got knocked out in the first round. Just because someone can pwn some foreigners' ass and make tons of easy money doesnt make them better than Code A/S mainstayers.
wow are you ignorant.. Typical Anti-EG right there.. PuMa is good howcan you even denie it.. you pick out 1 game from PuMas thousands of games just because he lost to stephano he doesnt deserve Code A/S? PuMa tried a couple times in preliminaries of the GSL? how many times did Liquid'HerO try until he got in? how many times did it take most of the players in CODE S now to get in? I would rather be winning 30 000 in foreigner tournaments and being a "sub-par" korean then being a "top-3" korean whos only chances is winning the GSL
On March 13 2012 17:47 lichter wrote: Everyone looking at Puma and saying "LOL I'm about 10x better than that chump yet he earns 50x more than I do"
Makes sense, sadly
Beating MMA 3-1 doesnt really make you a chump. I think Puma would do very well in code S,
I doubt that. The win against MMA was the first win against a Code S player for a long while. If we take out MC than it's really hard just to find another (code-s) player that he actually beat. (atm noone comes to my mind, but there might be someone). His winratio against the top of korea is very bad. That's no shame at all, we all know Puma is a very good player, but barely not the level of code s.
Recently Puma has been impressing me. Especially at the latest IEM tournanent, I can hardly name alot of terrans playing better then him at the moment. Probably only MKP, who is in great form, Jjakji and MMA I rate higher as terrans .Norrmally MVP aswell but I think he is injured and because of that not producing results.
There are at least 15 terrans better than Puma, even though he truly is top 3 at managing engagements, behind Jjakji. Also, this is a heavy blow to Slayers, even though they never truly showed much caring for Taeja, he was probably the 2nd best player, with the most potential on the team, puzzle got nothing on him.
Did 15 come out of your random number generator? 15 is not very likely. The ones I named plus maybe 1 I forgot.
Mvp, sC, Happy, Jjakji, Keen, GanZi, MKP, Bomber, SuperNoVa, aLive, MMA, GuMiho, Polt, TaeJa, Ryung , TheSTC and maybe Boxer, Clide and ForGG IMO are better then PuMa.
I'll take that challenge to give good arguments why they are not:
MPV: Injured sC: had health problems not on his old form yet Jjakji: Agree with you there Keen: Slumping abit, been beaten down by Nada all the time(who is not on your lost and rightly so) Ganzi:Doubtfull maybe equal to Puma MKP: Defintely better then Puma at the moment Bomberlays great sometimes and looks god awfull the next game..I'd say Puma is better at staying consistent Supernova: Just no. Good TvT though Alive: Didnt he get roflstomped in the semifinals of GSL MMa:Agreed Gumiho:He is good..I'd say equal even thoug he might be a one hit wonder with his weird style Polt:Recently really good. Maybe Taeja:Not sure. I like Taeja but I like Puma more. Ryung. good TvT'er..not allround enough TheSTC:Definitely good..but not as good as Puma I'd say. I'd have to see more of him though Boxer: Hahaha..no way..the Emperor is not showing anything these days Clide: Have you seen his recent games..he is terrible at the moment ForGG: The Elephant that became a mouse. sorry.
Typical EG fan out there. All these are mainstay players Code A/S, what makes you think that puma is better than them? Just to pick a few Sure Mvp and Sc have health problem, the skill they displayed in their games are still much better than Puma. Puma looked completely helpless against stephano while polt just demolishes stephano. Furtheremore, has Puma made it past the preliminaries of the GSL? maybe once but quickly got knocked out in the first round. Just because someone can pwn some foreigners' ass and make tons of easy money doesnt make them better than Code A/S mainstayers.
Youre using one series against stephano as a basis, dude.
Money and the chance to go around to world to other events I bet. If I were a progamer I'd jump at the opportunity to travel the world, especially at that age.
On March 13 2012 17:47 lichter wrote: Everyone looking at Puma and saying "LOL I'm about 10x better than that chump yet he earns 50x more than I do"
Makes sense, sadly
Beating MMA 3-1 doesnt really make you a chump. I think Puma would do very well in code S,
I doubt that. The win against MMA was the first win against a Code S player for a long while. If we take out MC than it's really hard just to find another (code-s) player that he actually beat. (atm noone comes to my mind, but there might be someone). His winratio against the top of korea is very bad. That's no shame at all, we all know Puma is a very good player, but barely not the level of code s.
Recently Puma has been impressing me. Especially at the latest IEM tournanent, I can hardly name alot of terrans playing better then him at the moment. Probably only MKP, who is in great form, Jjakji and MMA I rate higher as terrans .Norrmally MVP aswell but I think he is injured and because of that not producing results.
There are at least 15 terrans better than Puma, even though he truly is top 3 at managing engagements, behind Jjakji. Also, this is a heavy blow to Slayers, even though they never truly showed much caring for Taeja, he was probably the 2nd best player, with the most potential on the team, puzzle got nothing on him.
Did 15 come out of your random number generator? 15 is not very likely. The ones I named plus maybe 1 I forgot.
Mvp, sC, Happy, Jjakji, Keen, GanZi, MKP, Bomber, SuperNoVa, aLive, MMA, GuMiho, Polt, TaeJa, Ryung , TheSTC and maybe Boxer, Clide and ForGG IMO are better then PuMa.
I'll take that challenge and give you my opinion why not:
MVP: Injured sC: had health problems not on his old form yet Jjakji: Agree with you there Keen: Slumping abit, been beaten down by Nada all the time(who is not on your lost and rightly so) Ganzi:Doubtfull maybe equal to Puma MKP: Defintely better then Puma at the moment Bomberlays great sometimes and looks god awfull the next game..I'd say Puma is better at staying consistent Supernova: Just no. Good TvT though Alive: Didnt he get roflstomped in the semifinals of GSL MMa:Agreed Gumiho:He is good..I'd say equal even thoug he might be a one hit wonder with his weird style Polt:Recently really good. Maybe Taeja:Not sure. I like Taeja but I like Puma more. Ryung. good TvT'er..not allround enough TheSTC:Definitely good..but not as good as Puma I'd say. I'd have to see more of him though Boxer: Hahaha..no way..the Emperor is not showing anything these days Clide: Have you seen his recent games..he is terrible at the moment ForGG: The Elephant that became a mouse. sorry.
Rinnegan5: thank you for your insight
I heard of a player called TT1 in the past. He used to be good.
On March 13 2012 17:19 [GiTM]-Ace wrote: wow ganzi too...... man koreans really do want to join foreign teams
Mostly because it's free money winning all the tournaments we host. Compare that to the GSL which is insanely hard to win. Either compete and have a 1% chance of winning a tournament once a month at best or go to the foreign tournaments that are everywhere and only have to worry about the 2-4 koreans that are participating.
That's partly true. It is much easier to win foreign events but more and more Koreans are participating in the bigger foreign events making it harder and you also have to consider the travel costs. If they don't finish "in the money" so to speak it will be quite expensive. We have seen this in recent tournaments where a few Koreans players have opted not to go to events due to not having funding for the travel expenses. It's not like they can rake in the money just because they go over sees.
I can't really blame them, if you get the chance to go to another country for a (short) period of time, then that's something you would like to do aswell right? It's very good for making new friends, getting new experiences, etc. next to that of course money plays a role. But I do think the "adventure" of going to more foreign events definitly plays a big role.
Besides that I hope one of perhaps both of them join liquid, This are two topnotch terrans players, currently Jinro is the only terran in the team so some back up would be nice
On March 13 2012 19:14 DarKFoRcE wrote: on GSL cast they just said that ganzi is still in slayers
Moletrap is almost entirely basing this statement on the fact that he is still wearing his Slayers jacket. Well maybe he is just cold or likes the way it looks?
remember guys, jessica DID say that the twitter and facebook accounts did get hacked/taken away from the players. could be possible that this is all fake
Does anyone else think it's funny that all the foreigners want to go practice in Korea, while it seems like all the Koreans want to play for foreign teams?
Perhaps they just keep playing under SlayerS tag this season, they practised/prepared under SlayerS flag so qualifying/playing GSL this season is partly SlayerS succes and that's their way to thank SlayerS for that???
Iunno what to think about what Moletrap said. It is kind of weird to still be wearing SlayerS colors, probably not something you should be doing if you're looking for a team.
Foreign teams must be licking their chops. I don't think there has ever been a point in time in SC2's history with 2 Koreans of this caliber on the free agent market.
Going by Ganzi and Jessica's twitter (not hacked slayers twitter) even using google translate it's clearly Ganzi's last game on team slayers.
마지막경기...잘해야할텐데 고고 Last game ... that would be good archaeological
너의 파워를 보여다오 마지막으로 입고 뛰는 유니폼이니...우리가 자랑스러워하게 마무리해다오. 동주 화이팅 Show me your power play finally wore uniform finish it ... please let us be proud of. Whiting Dongju
On March 13 2012 19:24 cablesc wrote: Going by Ganzi and Jessica's twitter (not hacked slayers twitter) even using google translate it's clearly Ganzi's last game on team slayers.
On March 13 2012 19:27 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Losing Ganzi is fine. Losing Taeja really hurts SlayerS though.
Yeah he's so one-dimensional. Ganzi has to improve his TvP to be solid code S. You won't get through a to a semi-final anymore without hitting a protoss or two.
Poor Wolf and Moletrap getting madly 'tweeted' that Ganzi has left. If anything, it seems more that he's "leaving", rather than actually already left. At the very least, the SlayerS team members clearly still support them in this compertition.
You are the one who should. People like idra, being more badmannered and less skilled than most korean pros, still manage to get a shit ton of salaries and opportunities just because they are on a rich foreign team, you think players who are so skilled like MMA dun deserve to be in one?
Judging by Jessica's tweets and Ganzi's interview at MLG (he's Boxer's son and he loves Jessica like a mother) he wouldn't leave Slayers unless it was for military service. Glad to see more amicable splits rather the Dragon situation.
Taeja just experienced his first foreign tournament and probably really liked it so wanted to travel more. He's a kid and didn't live there anyways.
Can the foreign market really afford to support all of these players? There aren't many players that can be considered "pro" in the true sense of the word because there already isn't enough money to go around. Will korean players really help bring in more sponsership.. more viewers.. more players.. ?
chances are it won't happen But liquid could really use a high caliber Terran player. My guess would quantic gets atleast one of them maybe eg or a euro team picks up the other
MMA is going to all the foreign events, so don't see why he would.
He can probably get higher salary than any foreigners if he joins a rich foreign team. I dun think anyone has grudges against money.
Besides mc who is basically on a 1 man team we have yet to see a very high ranked code s player sign outside Korea
Well, aLive is def one of the very best players in Korea these days, made it to the last semi final of Code-S, and that was not a fluke, he is sick good!
On March 13 2012 20:30 Voldron wrote: ganze is one of the best korean terrans atm but i dont think EG has the money to get one more korean. I would trade JYP or Puma for ganzi any day
I wouldn't trade Puma, regardless of whether he's Code S level Puma wins foreign tournament which is something supposedly better players don't do anything like as well as Puma.
i can't help but feel maybe the MMA favoritism got to ganzi a little. Taeja I'm not even sure why he left :/ but both of these guys were players I really liked. SlayerS is in a world of hurt right now. Ganzi was one of the best terran snipers they had.
Wow, this is really a big hit out the lineup of SlayerS. The team with the strongest T lineup might be left with only MMA and a slumping Clide, out of form Ryung and Boxer as mascot ... i really hope Coca will be back next season and that they can pick up some new young talents or SlayerS might not do well in GSTL.
Best of luck for Ganz and Taeja though - really wonder which team gonna pick them up (SK.Taeja with MC would be a next sick addition ^^).
Wow SlayerS just lost so much power of its power. Whoever picks these guys up will be extremely lucky. Unfortunately this means, that we will no longer see them in GSTL. >.<
omg slayers are losing some really good players, I wasn't expecting Ganzi and Taeja to leave at all because their relationship is so close with slayers ><
Hope the Korean community doesn't begin to resent the foreign community, it's really important that they work together for the future of SC2 and eSports.
I guess due to the OGS partnership, Liquid rather gets former OGS players. Still, LiquidGanZi would sound great and look great, too. On the other hand, I guess Liquid members are meant to stay in the team. With Ganzi's service upcoming, this wouldn't be possible.
Not ganzi too. Why? Slayers is an awesome team, I thought they had good chemistry together. They have the best partners around for helping them to get to their best.
This sucks. Everyone leaving for foreign teams, the scene in Korea needs to survive as well, along with the western teams. Sounds like the money, the travel - everything is too good to resist for some people, I don't really blame them. I have a bad feeling about all of this really.
It seemed like Slayers was overpowered and got hit with a major nerf. But while this is unfortunate for the team, they are still a top team (3 Code S players), and I wish Slayers, Taeja and Ganzi the best of luck in the future.
MMA, Ryung, and Ganzi were the old school Slayers Terrans when the team was just starting out. The students of Boxer. It's a shame to see one of them out. It's like how MKP-Polt-Maka were the 3 Terrans of Prime. Will never forget Ganzi's upset win against MVP in the Super Tournament, during a time when MVP's TvT looked absolutely invincible.
Slayers had way too many players anyway, good riddens really. Unfortunate timing for ganzi as well considering he just missed code S, not that attractive to pick up now.
Dammit.. why all the Terrans? xD I love Taeja, he's such a good macro player, and Ganzi has some beast TvT. Hopefully I'll get to see them more in the foreign scene then, but who's gonna help MMA work on his strategies before GSL finals now? :<
I might be mistaken, but isn't Ganzi SlayerS team captain? I was defiantly not expecting that turn of events. At any rate i wish them the best, really curious to see who will replace them on SlayerS roster.
Ganzi was, at first surprising, but it turns out his military service is coming up. Visit some other countries and tournaments before hanging it all up for two years.
Taeja is still a really young player and an amazing terran. Amazing pick up for any team but i'm expecting a pricy salary. (Hoping that he joins Alternate attack, or MTW but that will be unlikely.)
On March 13 2012 22:13 nooboon wrote: Ganzi was, at first surprising, but it turns out his military service is coming up. Visit some other countries and tournaments before hanging it all up for two years.
Taeja is still a really young player and an amazing terran. Amazing pick up for any team but i'm expecting a pricy salary. (Hoping that he joins Alternate attack, or MTW but that will be unlikely.)
On March 13 2012 22:13 nooboon wrote: Ganzi was, at first surprising, but it turns out his military service is coming up. Visit some other countries and tournaments before hanging it all up for two years.
Taeja is still a really young player and an amazing terran. Amazing pick up for any team but i'm expecting a pricy salary. (Hoping that he joins Alternate attack, or MTW but that will be unlikely.)
Alternate aTTaX ?
The german team with players like Delphi, Socke, Cloud and and DarkForce
and again its just obvious would you like to be a slayers "stndard palyer" living behind boxer and mma with a low chance to get trips to foreign events and just getting housing costs payd or would u like to be a superstar for a foreign team with high salary and good chance for the major foreign event? easy choice i think !
On March 13 2012 22:13 nooboon wrote: Ganzi was, at first surprising, but it turns out his military service is coming up. Visit some other countries and tournaments before hanging it all up for two years.
Taeja is still a really young player and an amazing terran. Amazing pick up for any team but i'm expecting a pricy salary. (Hoping that he joins Alternate attack, or MTW but that will be unlikely.)
Alternate aTTaX ?
The german team with players like Delphi, Socke, Cloud and and DarkForce
uuuh would be soo awesome to see on of them join attax allready been fantasysing bout that yesterday but i honestly dont think so !
On March 13 2012 22:47 Dumboprime wrote: aww thats too bad for ganzi
wghhy should it be bad for ganzi? would you like to be a slayers "stndard palyer" living behind boxer and mma with a low chance to get trips to foreign events and just getting housing costs payd or would u like to be a superstar for a foreign team with high salary and good chance for the major foreign event? easy choice i think !
I have not read this thread but i feel like this is bullshit. Koreans seem to have a grandiose view on how much they are worth and we enable them (throwing money left and right just because the word "korean" is mentioned).
"wishes to be in a foreign team until then in order to experience what it was like." -> cash in?
On March 13 2012 23:04 Svenz00r wrote: I have not read this thread but i feel like this is bullshit. Koreans seem to have a grandiose view on how much they are worth and we enable them (throwing money left and right just because the word "korean" is mentioned).
"wishes to be in a foreign team until then in order to experience what it was like." -> cash in?
I sure know how to read between the lines
Foreign teams have salary.... Korean teams don't.....
Foreign teams travel the world (cough USA and EU cough) Korean teams don't....
It's not a get rich quick scheme, it's a "I don't have to live in a dorm and play in code B" scheme.
On March 13 2012 22:47 Dumboprime wrote: aww thats too bad for ganzi
wghhy should it be bad for ganzi? would you like to be a slayers "stndard palyer" living behind boxer and mma with a low chance to get trips to foreign events and just getting housing costs payd or would u like to be a superstar for a foreign team with high salary and good chance for the major foreign event? easy choice i think !
It's too bad because his progaming career inevitably is coming to a halt. He wants to experience life in a foreigner team before his military service.
heard about taeja but i had no idea that ganzi was planning on leaving. but it sounds like he's doing the same thing nada did and applying to a foreign team before entering the army. i guess they want to experience another style of SC2 team before fulfilling their service?
I wonder why so many Koreans want to play on foreign teams. Is it the challenge? Is it the fact they want to play more foreign tournaments? Is it the pay? Is it all three? Thank you Puma, Violet, and Hero for starting this thread.
I'm interested to see who picks up Ganzi and/or Taeja I would love to see Liquid look into picking up one of them up to get another strong terran since Jinro is holding down the front for TL Terrans. GL to both Ganzi and Taeja in what ever team they find!
Look this is good. Players see how good it is to travel around the world and play games, rather than just stay in Korea. Everybody loves to experience that. I totaly support them!
On March 13 2012 17:20 DT-Toss wrote: I'm not surprised the next player to go is Ryung.
You heard it first.
I don't think Ryung's fooling around is to be taken seriously. I seriously doubt he hates MMA, it's all just a for fun.
I don't think he really hates MMA but all these talk does come from somewhere. I can feel a bit of resentment in his attitude. It's comparable to sibling rivalry...
I can't hope for too much good for Ganzi since he cried that MMA gets all the attention and that he's better/as good as MMA. He just felt too greedy/arrogant considering his results. Too emo to me to offrace cheer for him.
On March 14 2012 00:13 McKTenor13 wrote: Damnnn.....Was not expecting Ganzi. I'm really starting to hate this mandatory military service =/ Maybe they can make a military sc2 team!
Sigh, even though it would be cool to see Taeja at more foreign events; all these koreans joining foreign teams mean less sponsored foreigners and a GSTL with lower skill overall
On March 14 2012 00:16 Xcobidoo wrote: Sigh, even though it would be cool to see Taeja at more foreign events; all these koreans joining foreign teams mean less sponsored foreigners and a GSTL with lower skill overall
Less sponsored foreigners I don't have a problem with. I hope that by bringing korean players over to foreign teams we can at least improve the foreigners who are sponsored so they can compete.
On March 13 2012 17:47 lichter wrote: Everyone looking at Puma and saying "LOL I'm about 10x better than that chump yet he earns 50x more than I do"
Makes sense, sadly
Beating MMA 3-1 doesnt really make you a chump. I think Puma would do very well in code S,
I doubt that. The win against MMA was the first win against a Code S player for a long while. If we take out MC than it's really hard just to find another (code-s) player that he actually beat. (atm noone comes to my mind, but there might be someone). His winratio against the top of korea is very bad. That's no shame at all, we all know Puma is a very good player, but barely not the level of code s.
Recently Puma has been impressing me. Especially at the latest IEM tournanent, I can hardly name alot of terrans playing better then him at the moment. Probably only MKP, who is in great form, Jjakji and MMA I rate higher as terrans .Norrmally MVP aswell but I think he is injured and because of that not producing results.
There are at least 15 terrans better than Puma, even though he truly is top 3 at managing engagements, behind Jjakji. Also, this is a heavy blow to Slayers, even though they never truly showed much caring for Taeja, he was probably the 2nd best player, with the most potential on the team, puzzle got nothing on him.
Did 15 come out of your random number generator? 15 is not very likely. The ones I named plus maybe 1 I forgot.
Mvp, sC, Happy, Jjakji, Keen, GanZi, MKP, Bomber, SuperNoVa, aLive, MMA, GuMiho, Polt, TaeJa, Ryung , TheSTC and maybe Boxer, Clide and ForGG IMO are better then PuMa.
More than half that list is really, really, really reaching. Puma has better TvP than almost every single player on that list, and then there's the ones that he's just better than. I don't feel like naming which...
On March 13 2012 17:47 lichter wrote: Everyone looking at Puma and saying "LOL I'm about 10x better than that chump yet he earns 50x more than I do"
Makes sense, sadly
Beating MMA 3-1 doesnt really make you a chump. I think Puma would do very well in code S,
I doubt that. The win against MMA was the first win against a Code S player for a long while. If we take out MC than it's really hard just to find another (code-s) player that he actually beat. (atm noone comes to my mind, but there might be someone). His winratio against the top of korea is very bad. That's no shame at all, we all know Puma is a very good player, but barely not the level of code s.
Recently Puma has been impressing me. Especially at the latest IEM tournanent, I can hardly name alot of terrans playing better then him at the moment. Probably only MKP, who is in great form, Jjakji and MMA I rate higher as terrans .Norrmally MVP aswell but I think he is injured and because of that not producing results.
There are at least 15 terrans better than Puma, even though he truly is top 3 at managing engagements, behind Jjakji. Also, this is a heavy blow to Slayers, even though they never truly showed much caring for Taeja, he was probably the 2nd best player, with the most potential on the team, puzzle got nothing on him.
Did 15 come out of your random number generator? 15 is not very likely. The ones I named plus maybe 1 I forgot.
Mvp, sC, Happy, Jjakji, Keen, GanZi, MKP, Bomber, SuperNoVa, aLive, MMA, GuMiho, Polt, TaeJa, Ryung , TheSTC and maybe Boxer, Clide and ForGG IMO are better then PuMa.
More than half that list is really, really, really reaching. Puma has better TvP than almost every single player on that list, and then there's the ones that he's just better than. I don't feel like naming which...
Agree with Jinro, that list looks like " oh i'm going to write first 15 korean names which will get to my head first"...
On March 13 2012 17:20 DT-Toss wrote: I'm not surprised the next player to go is Ryung.
You heard it first.
I don't think Ryung's fooling around is to be taken seriously. I seriously doubt he hates MMA, it's all just a for fun.
I don't think he really hates MMA but all these talk does come from somewhere. I can feel a bit of resentment in his attitude. It's comparable to sibling rivalry...
WTH I see everybody talking about this ;D... Where can I find information about this dislike of MMA?
On March 13 2012 17:16 Azzur wrote: Unexpected!!! I wonder where they are heading to??
EGGanzi and EGTaeja?
Nothing like EG doing some poaching :p
Yeah because picking up players that recently left a team is poaching...
it makes me sad that the lure of a foreign team has chipped away at the community that a lot of korean teams have built, it must be hard to have an engaged team when half of them are being scouted by some over sea s team that is just in it for the money. : (
On March 13 2012 17:20 DT-Toss wrote: I'm not surprised the next player to go is Ryung.
You heard it first.
I don't think Ryung's fooling around is to be taken seriously. I seriously doubt he hates MMA, it's all just a for fun.
I don't think he really hates MMA but all these talk does come from somewhere. I can feel a bit of resentment in his attitude. It's comparable to sibling rivalry...
WTH I see everybody talking about this ;D... Where can I find information about this dislike of MMA?
On March 14 2012 00:52 s.a.y wrote: Oh yeah, Liquid needs a terran!
Here's the concern I have with Liquid picking these guys up: Liquid prides itself as a family team, putting team chemistry above results. However, picking up Taeja or Ganzi would just be a pure skill purchase. It would also delay that documentary.
On March 14 2012 00:52 s.a.y wrote: Oh yeah, Liquid needs a terran!
Here's the concern I have with Liquid picking these guys up: Liquid prides itself as a family team, putting team chemistry above results. However, picking up Taeja or Ganzi would just be a pure skill purchase. It would also delay that documentary.
Um yeah, in the world of SPORTS as well as ESPORTS, teams pick up players based on A LOT of things, up to and INCLUDING skill. There is nothing special about liquid that isnt found in other teams as well. I for one, could not care less about TL because they dont have a single decent terran, so IMO it would be a good idea for them to grab one up.
I'm not usually one of those dudes on TL that every single time someone leaves there team, every fanboy goes "LIQUID NEEDS ANOTHER GOOD KOREAN!!!!!!!!!!", however, Taeja is an absolutely can't miss prospect. This dude is a beast and would be immediately at the top of Liquid's lineup with HerO.
On March 14 2012 00:52 TheNessman wrote: it makes me sad that the lure of a foreign team has chipped away at the community that a lot of korean teams have built, it must be hard to have an engaged team when half of them are being scouted by some over sea s team that is just in it for the money. : (
... It's like you would prefer people to have no money or opportunity to travel and prove themselves
It's unfortunate that Korean teams don't have the financial backing, for the most part, but it's reality at the moment and it's not the foreign teams fault.
Ganzi and Taeja left and are free agents, foreign teams and korean teams have equal opportunity to make fair offer.
On March 14 2012 01:31 demitap wrote: what a hell is wrong with koreans these days? do they really believe that foreign teams really needs them that much?
Also, i'm really getting angry on foreign teams that they recruted so many koreans, its stating to be so annoying, srsly, thats ENOUGH of them
Everyone is first and foremost a PLAYER, regardless of whether he's from. There are more good Koreans.
On March 13 2012 17:47 lichter wrote: Everyone looking at Puma and saying "LOL I'm about 10x better than that chump yet he earns 50x more than I do"
Makes sense, sadly
Beating MMA 3-1 doesnt really make you a chump. I think Puma would do very well in code S,
I doubt that. The win against MMA was the first win against a Code S player for a long while. If we take out MC than it's really hard just to find another (code-s) player that he actually beat. (atm noone comes to my mind, but there might be someone). His winratio against the top of korea is very bad. That's no shame at all, we all know Puma is a very good player, but barely not the level of code s.
Recently Puma has been impressing me. Especially at the latest IEM tournanent, I can hardly name alot of terrans playing better then him at the moment. Probably only MKP, who is in great form, Jjakji and MMA I rate higher as terrans .Norrmally MVP aswell but I think he is injured and because of that not producing results.
There are at least 15 terrans better than Puma, even though he truly is top 3 at managing engagements, behind Jjakji. Also, this is a heavy blow to Slayers, even though they never truly showed much caring for Taeja, he was probably the 2nd best player, with the most potential on the team, puzzle got nothing on him.
Did 15 come out of your random number generator? 15 is not very likely. The ones I named plus maybe 1 I forgot.
Mvp, sC, Happy, Jjakji, Keen, GanZi, MKP, Bomber, SuperNoVa, aLive, MMA, GuMiho, Polt, TaeJa, Ryung , TheSTC and maybe Boxer, Clide and ForGG IMO are better then PuMa.
More than half that list is really, really, really reaching. Puma has better TvP than almost every single player on that list, and then there's the ones that he's just better than. I don't feel like naming which...
Agree with Jinro, that list looks like " oh i'm going to write first 15 korean names which will get to my head first"...
" oh i'm going to write first 15 korean names which will get to my head first". What? I was just responding to Rinnegan5 post naming some Korean terrens that I think are as good if not better then PuMa. Ya some of these terren's are bad against Protoss but PvT lately has been pretty bad to Terren but I can say the same thing about PuMa's TvZ too he has been struggling against Korean zergs.
Dang everyone in korea is starting to realize the great opportunities of joining a foreign team and watching the successes of the likes of hero, puma, etc.
I feel like the foreign teams are hurting the korean cultural community more than anything. The foreign teams need to be doing what Team Liquid is doing: instead of just literally taking players with money, they should be forging a really really tight relationship with the korean team, so that even tho they are "taking" players from them, those players are still realistically still on the korean team.
On March 14 2012 01:55 Fubi wrote: I feel like the foreign teams are hurting the korean cultural community more than anything. The foreign teams need to be doing what Team Liquid is doing: instead of just literally taking players with money, they should be forging a really really tight relationship with the korean team, so that even tho they are "taking" players from them, those players are still realistically still on the korean team.
Not everyone has to be like team liquid. Please stop with this 'hurting' the korean teams thing. If anything, korean teams are hurting the players because they cannot provide a decent living for them. Playing sc2 at the pro level is no small task and should be considered a fulltime job. If you cant pay your players enough to make it worthwhile, they have every right to play for someone who will.
On March 13 2012 22:10 Laplaces_imp wrote: I might be mistaken, but isn't Ganzi SlayerS team captain? I was defiantly not expecting that turn of events. At any rate i wish them the best, really curious to see who will replace them on SlayerS roster.
GanZi was my favorite player on SlayerS with Ryung, really sad to see him go. SlayerS losing a lot of players (and arguably a bit of star power with GanZi), it's kinda sad. Gl to the both of them, I want to see lots and lots of GanZi!
Well this came out of nowhere. I wonder where this mass migration of Koreans will leave us in a few years. Furthermore, how will this affect their Code S games? Hunting for a team has to negatively affect your practice.
I would love for Liquid to pick up Taeja, they could really use another Terran and Taeja is a beast. GanZi is also good, but if he has to join the army in the near future he wouldn't be a good pick. For all the people complaining about more and more Koreans joining foreign teams. Getting payed a salary and having the opportunity to participate in foreign events... How can you not understand why those players choose to join foreign teams? This trend will only stop if Korean teams offer their players similar conditions or the big bw teams get involved in the sc2 scene. In that case, that is not that unlikely in my opinion, the current Korean sc2 teams will have a hard time to keep their best players anyway.
On March 14 2012 02:19 Malaz wrote: I would love for Liquid to pick up Taeja, they could really use another Terran and Taeja is a beast. GanZi is also good, but if he has to join the army in the near future he wouldn't be a good pick. For all the people complaining about more and more Koreans joining foreign teams. Getting payed a salary and having the opportunity to participate in foreign events... How can you not understand why those players choose to join foreign teams? This trend will only stop if Korean teams offer their players similar conditions or the big bw teams get involved in the sc2 scene. In that case, that is not that unlikely in my opinion, the current Korean sc2 teams will have a hard time to keep their best players anyway.
The korean teams will keep their best players because they can afford to pay the top tier of players. Its the players who are good but not the best in their teams that will decide to move to foreign teams. Can't blame them though, everyone needs a career.
I can see Ryung going eventually too, he is kind of the "forgotten son" player and for him to stay with the results he has gotten so far past this draft would surprise me. It looks like he needs a different coach or something along those lines.
Ganzi probably knows he won't be on slayers during military service, and would like to experience the hype. I think he's a really smart guy from all of his interviews.
Taeja... just trying to capitalize on foreign interest in him. i hate to say it, but, the market is much dryer than it was some months ago.
really is a simply solution for Korean teams to keep players, actually pay them. Korean sc2 players make next to nothing and only a % of their winnings, any kid/young adult is gonna look elsewhere if there is money to be made and still be able to train in Korea.
Unfortunately the only way I see this happening is if BW dies in Korea, don't see that happening.
Mil has the free space, can't see any NA teams having the budget to sign any of these guys - though it would be awesome. Looking forward to watching these players no matter where they go.
I never thought I see the day that SlayerS would have a normal amount of terrans. Whoever they pick up in the draft has some really large shoes to fill. It's going to be hard to replace the amount of talent and skill that Ganzi and Taeja had...
Talent retention for Korean teams is fast becoming an issue. If even the players on SlayerS is having issues with this, I can imagine how paranoid other teams are about their players.
I wonder how influential having the EG players at the SlayerS house was in this decision. I would say it is a fair wager to state that this alliance helped broaden the perspective of the comparitively reclusive Korean players to the reality of the global stage. This is nothing but good news for the talented young individuals that wish to experience the world.
What will happen once all of Korea is mined out? In my opinion, GSL is cannibalizing its source of progamers by keeping the competition so bottlenecked. Hardly anyone can get paid over there for their SC2 talent unless they are a top dog.
Honor and its humble pursuit by the GSL participants and hopefuls seems to be losing out to the depth and weight that the rest of the world has to offer. These are my obsverations, and nothing more.
On March 14 2012 02:38 OrD_SC2 wrote: Mil has the free space, can't see any NA teams having the budget to sign any of these guys - though it would be awesome. Looking forward to watching these players no matter where they go.
Millenium have always been pretty tight with money spending when it comes to flying players across the globe. Even Stephano who realistically has a very good chance of winning back the cost of flights at any foreign tournament is used sort of sparingly.
EG, Fnatic, Liquid or Complexity seem like the obvious places for both players.
On March 14 2012 02:38 jkc wrote: I never thought I see the day that SlayerS would have a normal amount of terrans. Whoever they pick up in the draft has some really large shoes to fill. It's going to be hard to replace the amount of talent and skill that Ganzi and Taeja had...
Talent retention for Korean teams is fast becoming an issue. If even the players on SlayerS is having issues with this, I can imagine how paranoid other teams are about their players.
I don't know about that I think the truth is that there are players who win tournies and bring sponsors in Korea and those who don't. The competition is so high that only some of the best players actually get sponsers . But outside of Korea the players like Ganzi and Taeja would make a huge splash and actually obtain sponsers for themselves and their new teams.
On March 14 2012 02:24 docvoc wrote: I can see Ryung going eventually too, he is kind of the "forgotten son" player and for him to stay with the results he has gotten so far past this draft would surprise me. It looks like he needs a different coach or something along those lines.
If he does, he shall henceforth be known as the "fallen son".
On March 14 2012 02:47 kiy0 wrote: I expect EG to sign one of them at least. The other might join one of the teams that are lacking a Korean powerhouse like Mouz or Dignitas.
I don't think they fit into mouz tbh... Good luck to them finding a new team!
On March 14 2012 03:09 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote: Why is it every time a Korean leaves a team, people think the player will either be signed by EG or Liquid?
Because they are the biggest/most popular foreign teams?
Lol. poor Wolf. I was watching the Vods this morning, and after having seen this post, kept thinking, oh man, Wolf and Moletrap are gonna be surprised when they realize they were wrong. Oh wells, no way you could've known. Awesome games last night.
I hope no foreign teams picks them up, this is getting ridiculous. It usually goes like:
'leaving team T T'
'so sad'
'looking to join foreign team'
To expand on my post, the problem with this is that I really only see korean scene as here for the long run. Foreign sponsors and teams are naturally with a different mentality, where all of the focus in right now, and right here, and few actually think how to make a stable scene that can last for a long time.
Koreans going to western teams will weaken the structure of korean sc2 scene, will give short term profit to foreign teams, and once the next big thing comes around, foreign teams will most likely switch, or at least the sponsors will, while we won't have a healty korean scene to endure and prosper.
On March 14 2012 00:52 TheNessman wrote: it makes me sad that the lure of a foreign team has chipped away at the community that a lot of korean teams have built, it must be hard to have an engaged team when half of them are being scouted by some over sea s team that is just in it for the money. : (
... It's like you would prefer people to have no money or opportunity to travel and prove themselves
It's unfortunate that Korean teams don't have the financial backing, for the most part, but it's reality at the moment and it's not the foreign teams fault.
Ganzi and Taeja left and are free agents, foreign teams and korean teams have equal opportunity to make fair offer.
On March 14 2012 01:31 demitap wrote: what a hell is wrong with koreans these days? do they really believe that foreign teams really needs them that much?
Also, i'm really getting angry on foreign teams that they recruted so many koreans, its stating to be so annoying, srsly, thats ENOUGH of them
Everyone is first and foremost a PLAYER, regardless of whether he's from. There are more good Koreans.
I hear you jinro.... It's unfortunate that sc2 in korea isn't getting good financial backing, but it kind of makes sense considering that bw is still around. Although we're likely seeing the last season of proleague & osl, so there might be some new sponsorships coming in if the brood war teams are not going to have tournaments to play.
I don't want brood war to die, but at the same time I kind of want to see sc2 attain the same level of support.
There are only three terrans that you can comfortably call better than these guys in the whole world. MKP, MVP and MMA. After that it's Ganzi and Taeja, with maybe Supernova being lateral to them. Not in my book, though.
OMG GUYS MAYBE EG OR LIQUID!?!?!? I HAVE THE NEED TO SAY THOSE TWO TEAMS EVERYTIME SOMEONE GOES TEAMLESS! I FEEL REALLY GOOD FOR MAKING SUCH CONTRIBUTING POST EVERYTIME THERE IS A THREAD LIKE THIS!!
Is it just me, or is Slayers now going to be a bit light on Terrans? MMA is their ace, Ryung and Clide are both in pretty bad shape right now and Boxer is more coach than player...
On March 14 2012 04:36 dgwow wrote: Guys, Liquid won't pick up either of these players. It will be either Fnatic, Quantic, Complexity, EG, mouz, or Millenium.
On March 14 2012 04:39 ACrow wrote: Is it just me, or is Slayers now going to be a bit light on Terrans? MMA is their ace, Ryung and Clide are both in pretty bad shape right now and Boxer is more coach than player...
ryung is in code s
how is that pretty bad ?
also boxer is in the up and downs and might go to code s.. we will see..
its funny how people who keep saying liquid needs a terran don't actually know about liquid's philosophy on players. They don't care what kind of racial breakdown they have, they just want the best team that fits their personality and player style.
On December 13 2011 19:23 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Personally I do not consider race variety related to depth. When I say depth I am talking about skill and results; as those are what is being discussed in this topic. It seems weird to pull something out of context and refer to depth as racial balance, when for the rest of us depth is being discussed in a topic that looks into our recent results and skill.
That said I can get into this a bit more and share my thoughts with you. Racial depth is not one of my primary goals for the team. It's a nice bonus, that's for sure. However I first and foremost believe in a players' skill (talent/hard-work etc) and personality. If these match my view of Liquid then the race is not going to influence my decision very much at all. The same goes for nationality. People often think it is my goal to have Liquid be a completely international team. It is not. It is a side effect to being open minded regarding nationality. Liquid could be a team with 10 Swedes or 10 Zergs and as long as every single one of them fits Liquid really well then that's fine with me too.
Not everyone shares this philosophy and that is fine. Mouz only has Europeans, EG goes after all the Americans. We're fine with whoever we like. It makes teams different and that is a good thing.
On March 14 2012 04:36 dgwow wrote: Guys, Liquid won't pick up either of these players. It will be either Fnatic, Quantic, Complexity, EG, mouz, or Millenium.
Why wouldn't they?
They better not!
They better not delay the documentary if they do, at least.
I think the real reason koreans are leaving is because they all want to try american hamburgers like Nestea! Since Nestea is God, he told his minions about the heavenly taste of american hamburgers. This in turn lead to the koreans seeking foreign teams, so they too can experience this holy grail and be one step closer to their God, Nestea.
On March 14 2012 05:04 Canucklehead wrote: I think the real reason koreans are leaving is because they all want to try american hamburgers like Nestea! Since Nestea is God, he told his minions about the heavenly taste of american hamburgers. This in turn lead to the koreans seeking foreign teams, so they too can experience this holy grail and be one step closer to their God, Nestea.
I think it's actually the other way around. The first time i heard Koreans likeing Hamburgers was in Nasl 1 with Boxer. But you can just edit out Nestea in your comment and put Boxer in it and then it's right
On March 14 2012 05:04 Canucklehead wrote: I think the real reason koreans are leaving is because they all want to try american hamburgers like Nestea! Since Nestea is God, he told his minions about the heavenly taste of american hamburgers. This in turn lead to the koreans seeking foreign teams, so they too can experience this holy grail and be one step closer to their God, Nestea.
I think it's actually the other way around. The first time i heard Koreans likeing Hamburgers was in Nasl 1 with Boxer. But you can just edit out Nestea in your comment and put Boxer in it and then it's right
If we're talking NASL 1, then maybe it was MC. Remember the story incontrol told at ipl 3 about MC coming up to him with his entourage of koreans and asking him, "famouse american burger where?"
Kinda sucks for slayers, but I'm not too surprised. MMA and Boxer are always going to be the #1 and #2 invites to foreign tournaments, and the highlighted players. It makes sense for them to want to travel and proove their skill in tournaments other than GSL, where who knows if you are even going to have a chance to make it out of the ridiculous talent pool.
On March 14 2012 02:38 OrD_SC2 wrote: Mil has the free space, can't see any NA teams having the budget to sign any of these guys - though it would be awesome. Looking forward to watching these players no matter where they go.
Millenium have always been pretty tight with money spending when it comes to flying players across the globe. Even Stephano who realistically has a very good chance of winning back the cost of flights at any foreign tournament is used sort of sparingly.
EG, Fnatic, Liquid or Complexity seem like the obvious places for both players.
Millenium has a very good manager. That's why they use money sparingly. Still they are more profitable than most foreign team bar EG (and maybe TL)
Looks like Ganzi had it with always being 2nd after MMA both in tournaments and most importantly how people treat him in the slayers house. He has said some uh,"enlightening" things about what he thinks of MMA in various interviews so I think that's the case.
Somebody should pick Taeja up. That guy is such a beast, has the most cleanest mechanics from anyone I have seen from any race, only Bomber gets close.
Ganzi seems to be an investment for a team that want's good results now, but later on he will go to the military. Taeja more of a long term plan as he is able to train alone (will not suffer that much from beeing out of his training environement) and only 17 years old (may still become stronger). By the way, when does korean school end? At which age can they join a foreign team, without dropping out of school?
Korea has all the talent and foreigners have all the money. Korean players seeking foreign teams shouldn't have come as a huge surprise to anyone. I think the trend will continue unless Korean pro scene sees an influx in disposable income.
On March 13 2012 17:16 Azzur wrote: Unexpected!!! I wonder where they are heading to??
EGGanzi and EGTaeja?
Nothing like EG doing some poaching :p
I can definitely see a powerhouse picking up one of these players. For example, Liquid REALLY needs a terran really really badly. I can also definitely see Taeja going to EG.
How sick would it be though if one of them went to mTw? They really need a terran to go with Dimaga asd TT1
SK could probably pick up 1 of them, even at that. Another team is possibly mouz. If those 2 teams don't, then probably they won't get picked up for a while.
On March 14 2012 05:58 Steveling wrote: Looks like Ganzi had it with always being 2nd after MMA both in tournaments and most importantly how people treat him in the slayers house. He has said some uh,"enlightening" things about what he thinks of MMA in various interviews so I think that's the case.
I don't think there's real bad blood there...
WOAH... that surprise...
Well I guess Ganzi needs to go military, but Taeja was a surprise- I don't know but considering Sleep/Golden/Ganzi/Taeja/Someone else who I forgot -.-, all left I wonder if Slayers is doing some pushing on their end to maybe clean up some of their lineup. Especially with rumors that BW pros might be switching by April or whenever, if I was a ex-BW pro, especially a ex-SKT player, Boxer's team might be the first place I look.
idk if EG does pick someone up it might be Ganzi for a half year before he goes off to army, I could see that working out as he would not even have to move out. I don't think either he or Taeja will wind up heading to EG though considering EG already has Huk/IdrA/Puma/JYP to pay for and demuslim/inc/machine to an extent as well- too much money.
I like Ganzi more BUT I think taeja has a ton more potential so hopefully hes the one that joins EG. But which ever team picks up either of these guys will improve quite a bit in talent and depth.
I also think its hilarious that people insist on using the term "poach" or "foreigner teams buy again" when these players choose to leave and even released a statement regarding their situation.
On March 14 2012 04:36 dgwow wrote: Guys, Liquid won't pick up either of these players. It will be either Fnatic, Quantic, Complexity, EG, mouz, or Millenium.
Why wouldn't they?
well in GanZi's case having a resume that says "im leaving for the army soon" isnt really boasting longevity
From what I've seen, slayers is by far the best korean team to be on. Those team trips and dinner pictures just gives off a nice family feel. Kind of sad to see players leave for what I presume to be more money. Hope one day all the teams will resemble the BW teams where mega corporations contract players.
On March 14 2012 07:36 iSometric wrote: Wow, what the hell. They;re falling apart like tsl..
How so? TSL lost all their best and most popular players. Most with a heavy cloud of controversy surrounding the departure. (ex. FD and tester situation, the alive situation, Clide/killer being their most loyal members then suddenly leaving too. etc etc)
Slayers still has a lot of talent left over, MMA, ryung, puzzle, coca, and now we get a chance to see the depth of their roster as they have like 20 members. It wasn't that long ago when TSL showed up to the blizzard cup with only 4 players.
Oh jeez... as much as i love BoxeR, Ryung and MMA... Who's gonna practice with arguably the best terran team ever? SlayerS definitely needs more Terrans! Double whammy man...
I suspect Yugioh will leave as well... damn... hope SlayerS does better in the future!
Liquid management will know whats best to do. But in my opinion it would be a shame if they didnt at least attempt to try and get Taeja. Good luck to all teams interested in pursuit!
Seems like there are great expectations of money in the foreign scene. It took NaDa and KilleR long enough to find a team anyway, Complexity was the only one willing to take them on. I believe both players in that case were asking for $3k~ / month, I'd imagine Taeja & Ganzi would be looking for something similar, perhaps a bit less.
Oh well, best of luck to them. I await future Jessica tears.
On March 14 2012 08:52 SHOOG wrote: Nooo :/ SlayerS looks like their falling apart. Theres gotta be something more to the story. I really hope they pick up some good new talent.
There doesn't have to be something more to the story. You will see more and more korean's leaving their teams to get picked up by foreigners. Nada and MC left oGs, golden and sleep left SlayerS, now TaeJa and Ganzi. Expect more to come
On March 14 2012 08:52 SHOOG wrote: Nooo :/ SlayerS looks like their falling apart. Theres gotta be something more to the story. I really hope they pick up some good new talent.
There doesn't have to be something more to the story. You will see more and more korean's leaving their teams to get picked up by foreigners. Nada and MC left oGs, golden and sleep left SlayerS, now TaeJa and Ganzi. Expect more to come
On March 14 2012 08:52 SHOOG wrote: Nooo :/ SlayerS looks like their falling apart. Theres gotta be something more to the story. I really hope they pick up some good new talent.
There doesn't have to be something more to the story. You will see more and more korean's leaving their teams to get picked up by foreigners. Nada and MC left oGs, golden and sleep left SlayerS, now TaeJa and Ganzi. Expect more to come
Oh wow, two code S terrans, wherever they end up they will probably be big stars over there. I feel like playing under the shadow of mma might be frustrating.
On March 14 2012 08:54 juicy wrote: Seems like there are great expectations of money in the foreign scene. It took NaDa and KilleR long enough to find a team anyway, Complexity was the only one willing to take them on. I believe both players in that case were asking for $3k~ / month, I'd imagine Taeja & Ganzi would be looking for something similar, perhaps a bit less.
Oh well, best of luck to them. I await future Jessica tears.
I would imagine Nada getting slightly more and killer a decent amount less than that... what's your source on killer getting 3k?
On March 14 2012 08:54 juicy wrote: Seems like there are great expectations of money in the foreign scene. It took NaDa and KilleR long enough to find a team anyway, Complexity was the only one willing to take them on. I believe both players in that case were asking for $3k~ / month, I'd imagine Taeja & Ganzi would be looking for something similar, perhaps a bit less.
Oh well, best of luck to them. I await future Jessica tears.
I would imagine Nada getting slightly more and killer a decent amount less than that... what's your source on killer getting 3k?
Xeris made a post saying something like killer asked 3k per months to fnatic, and that was why he had such a hard time to find a team
But I believe he said in some interview on playxp or thisisgame that it was false
wait a minute......Ganzi is not leaving SlayerS, according to the most recent U & D matches cast by MoleTrap and Wolf Moletrap said somebody post a fake twitter?
can anyone confirm this?
Edit: nvm Moletrap doesn't know what he's talking about like always.
On March 14 2012 08:54 juicy wrote: Seems like there are great expectations of money in the foreign scene. It took NaDa and KilleR long enough to find a team anyway, Complexity was the only one willing to take them on. I believe both players in that case were asking for $3k~ / month, I'd imagine Taeja & Ganzi would be looking for something similar, perhaps a bit less.
Oh well, best of luck to them. I await future Jessica tears.
Let's be real for a second here, Nada and Killer aren't as good as these two. Taeja is the most underrated player in the scene.
On March 14 2012 10:07 joocybaneling wrote: wait a minute......Ganzi is not leaving SlayerS, according to the most recent U & D matches cast by MoleTrap and Wolf Moletrap said somebody post a fake twitter?
can anyone confirm this?
Ganzi is leaving. That was his last game as SlayerS. He will have about 1-2 years before joining military.
I'm glad Ganzi is leaving, I never liked his play style, and his comments about how he wanted to kill MMA were seriously frightening (as in I honestly thought there was a chance he'd go on a rampage and hurt or kill his teammates).
Taeja leaving is sad though, I hope he finds a good team.
On March 14 2012 11:01 Kaxon wrote: I'm glad Ganzi is leaving, I never liked his play style, and his comments about how he wanted to kill MMA were seriously frightening (as in I honestly thought there was a chance he'd go on a rampage and hurt or kill his teammates).
Taeja leaving is sad though, I hope he finds a good team.
What..? O.o what context was that in... just like a serious, "I want to kill MMA"?
I've always liked Ganzi though he seemed a bit odd or distant.
On March 14 2012 11:01 Kaxon wrote: I'm glad Ganzi is leaving, I never liked his play style, and his comments about how he wanted to kill MMA were seriously frightening (as in I honestly thought there was a chance he'd go on a rampage and hurt or kill his teammates).
Taeja leaving is sad though, I hope he finds a good team.
What..? O.o what context was that in... just like a serious, "I want to kill MMA"?
I've always liked Ganzi though he seemed a bit odd or distant.
He didn't say he wanted to actually kill MMA. He meant that in order to be the best player on Slayers, he has to "kill" MMA, as in beating him in every match they play.
On March 14 2012 11:01 Kaxon wrote: I'm glad Ganzi is leaving, I never liked his play style, and his comments about how he wanted to kill MMA were seriously frightening (as in I honestly thought there was a chance he'd go on a rampage and hurt or kill his teammates).
Taeja leaving is sad though, I hope he finds a good team.
Aren't you the sensitive soul.
I can't believe this needs pointing out, but it's a joke.
On March 14 2012 11:01 Kaxon wrote: I'm glad Ganzi is leaving, I never liked his play style, and his comments about how he wanted to kill MMA were seriously frightening (as in I honestly thought there was a chance he'd go on a rampage and hurt or kill his teammates).
Taeja leaving is sad though, I hope he finds a good team.
Pretty sure Ganzi is not crazy. It was more about a joke about how he needs to surpass MMA in order to gain Boxer's love.
On March 14 2012 11:30 Kaxon wrote: By itself that video wouldn't seem bad, but it's the fact that he joked about killing MMA multiple times that made him seem kinda creepy to me.
so if i said i was gonna "kill some time" would you call the cops and hide your clocks?
Well Ganzi I could see after going to MLG and all other event he got a taste of the world outside of Korea. An with more and more Koreans leaving to non-Korean teams was a matter of time I just hope no other slayers plate leaving Ganzi was a monster of a Terran player
On March 14 2012 11:01 Kaxon wrote: I'm glad Ganzi is leaving, I never liked his play style, and his comments about how he wanted to kill MMA were seriously frightening (as in I honestly thought there was a chance he'd go on a rampage and hurt or kill his teammates).
Taeja leaving is sad though, I hope he finds a good team.
Aren't you the sensitive soul.
I can't believe this needs pointing out, but it's a joke.
man.. some people on the internet are truly amazing. There is always that person out there who shows just how low the human race can sink Good laughs for me though.
On March 14 2012 11:30 Kaxon wrote: By itself that video wouldn't seem bad, but it's the fact that he joked about killing MMA multiple times that made him seem kinda creepy to me.
so if i said i was gonna "kill some time" would you call the cops and hide your clocks?
He would put on a bandanna and yell "hide yo clocks, hide yo watches, hide yo sun dials!" And yeah I'm pretty sure ganzi meant kill MMA as in in SC2, not IRL.
Interesting more and more koreans are becoming "foreigners". Soon every foreigner event will practically be koreanfests and i'm fearing for the foreigner scene when that happens. As it looks now it doesn't seem like they're up to the task.
On March 14 2012 19:09 Mouzone wrote: Interesting more and more koreans are becoming "foreigners". Soon every foreigner event will practically be koreanfests and i'm fearing for the foreigner scene when that happens. As it looks now it doesn't seem like they're up to the task.
Then tell the foreigners to freakingly just practice as hard as the koreans, is that sooooo difficult?
On March 14 2012 19:21 Tesla12 wrote: Koreans will always be better, because they have more motivation to practice, people are more suportive in korea.
I cant think of how foreigners should be less motivated than koreans. Foreigners get more exposure to internatioal tournaments whereas only a few koreans can. Foreigners get salaries from their team whereas koreans dont. If anything, foreigners should be more motivated than koreans. It is just that they choose to not practice as hard as them. Just take a look at EG, their training facilities are the best, the EG lair is the best sc2 training house in the world and they get probably the highest salaries among progamers. But take a look at their non-korean recruits, can any of them stand a chance against an average korean players who do not get the same privileges as them?
On March 14 2012 19:21 Tesla12 wrote: Koreans will always be better, because they have more motivation to practice, people are more suportive in korea.
I cant think of how foreigners should be less motivated than koreans. Foreigners get more exposure to internatioal tournaments whereas only a few koreans can. Foreigners get salaries from their team whereas koreans dont. If anything, foreigners should be more motivated than koreans. It is just that they choose to not practice as hard as them. Just take a look at EG, their training facilities are the best, the EG lair is the best sc2 training house in the world and they get probably the highest salaries among progamers. But take a look at their non-korean recruits, can any of them stand a chance against an average korean players who do not get the same privileges as them?
Yes, they do. Demu, Idra and Huk clearly have a chance. Maybe not every single person on EG, but that's normal for nearly every Team to have players that are better than their Teammates.
On March 14 2012 19:21 Tesla12 wrote: Koreans will always be better, because they have more motivation to practice, people are more suportive in korea.
I cant think of how foreigners should be less motivated than koreans. Foreigners get more exposure to internatioal tournaments whereas only a few koreans can. Foreigners get salaries from their team whereas koreans dont. If anything, foreigners should be more motivated than koreans. It is just that they choose to not practice as hard as them. Just take a look at EG, their training facilities are the best, the EG lair is the best sc2 training house in the world and they get probably the highest salaries among progamers. But take a look at their non-korean recruits, can any of them stand a chance against an average korean players who do not get the same privileges as them?
Yes, they do. Demu, Idra and Huk clearly have a chance. Maybe not every single person on EG, but that's normal for nearly every Team to have players that are better than their Teammates.
Idra: We have already seen enough of how this guy gets torn apart by average koreans. Demuslim: When is the last time this guy gets placed high even in foreign tournaments? Huk: Huk is considered as a korean recruit just like how select is considered as a foreigner. But even so, since joining EG, his results have been deteriorating.
On March 13 2012 17:48 Megakenny wrote: I think this is a good oppertunity for ZeNEX to pick up some players. If they're willing to send them to forgein tournaments I bet they'd play for ZeNEX. They'd have to get sponsors first though.
Im sorry, but lol... The reason why everyone left ZeNEX is because they got NO money...
Yeah, I was saying if they drummed up some sponsors, obviously they've been looking.
Yes, you drum up some sponsors and I'm sure TL would love you. Companies don't just fork $$ over. They look for a ROI. E-sports has a very bad short term ROI. Also it doesn't translate well to non technology or non gaming businesses. That ROI goes down even more.
The fact that you posted, what you posted, just shows how much of a lack of understanding you have. I believe there is a nice show/podcast you can download on wednesday afternoons at 1pm now. Maybe you should watch/listen to that to understand a small part of the e-sports business side.
On March 14 2012 20:31 MaNaVoId wrote: Idra: We have already seen enough of how this guy gets torn apart by average koreans. Huk: Huk is considered as a korean recruit just like how select is considered as a foreigner. But even so, since joining EG, his results have been deteriorating.
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I'm so sick of this kind of garbage. Idra loses to Koreans, yes. But he also beats Koreans. Remember the MLG run of Boxer, Hongun and then Bomber? Remember when he took out Revival and then Puma at IEM?
And Huk, he has been doing amazing. He won MLG Orlando, and just did well at the Winter Arena, and regularly takes games off Koreans.
Fact is, these guys lose to Korean players, and also beat Koreans. You can't expect them to win every game and series, but they both have results that are more impressive than 75% of Korean players in the GSL.
On March 14 2012 19:21 Tesla12 wrote: Koreans will always be better, because they have more motivation to practice, people are more suportive in korea.
I cant think of how foreigners should be less motivated than koreans. Foreigners get more exposure to internatioal tournaments whereas only a few koreans can. Foreigners get salaries from their team whereas koreans dont. If anything, foreigners should be more motivated than koreans. It is just that they choose to not practice as hard as them. Just take a look at EG, their training facilities are the best, the EG lair is the best sc2 training house in the world and they get probably the highest salaries among progamers. But take a look at their non-korean recruits, can any of them stand a chance against an average korean players who do not get the same privileges as them?
There are a lot of factors. In Korea, the concentration of gamers is pretty high, and if you already live in Seoul, living in a teamhouse and participating in the GSL isn't as bad as someone living in NA who has to fly to MLGs or IPLs. Furthermore, living in a teamhouse in Korea allows you to focus mainly on the game, while progamers in the foreign scene can't often live in teamhouses because of the geographic and low concentration of team houses. This means that they either have to live with their parents or find ways to get income. The latter forces them to spend less time practicing.
EG's players represent a very small sample of the foreign scene's pros, and you can't just use EG as a model for all foreigners.
I'm so sick of this kind of garbage. Idra loses to Koreans, yes. But he also beats Koreans. Remember the MLG run of Boxer, Hongun and then Bomber? Remember when he took out Revival and then Puma at IEM?
And Huk, he has been doing amazing. He won MLG Orlando, and just did well at the Winter Arena, and regularly takes games off Koreans.
Fact is, these guys lose to Korean players, and also beat Koreans. You can't expect them to win every game and series, but they both have results that are more impressive than 75% of Korean players in the GSL.
more like 7,5 %
IdrA literally gets stomped by any Code S guy.
and your reference matches were like from lightyears ago.
recent stuff including a whooping 0-4 against TaeJa, to proceed with a nothing less astonishing 0-4 against aLive.
On March 14 2012 20:31 MaNaVoId wrote: Idra: We have already seen enough of how this guy gets torn apart by average koreans. Huk: Huk is considered as a korean recruit just like how select is considered as a foreigner. But even so, since joining EG, his results have been deteriorating.
I'm so sick of this kind of garbage. Idra loses to Koreans, yes. But he also beats Koreans. Remember the MLG run of Boxer, Hongun and then Bomber? Remember when he took out Revival and then Puma at IEM?
And Huk, he has been doing amazing. He won MLG Orlando, and just did well at the Winter Arena, and regularly takes games off Koreans.
Fact is, these guys lose to Korean players, and also beat Koreans. You can't expect them to win every game and series, but they both have results that are more impressive than 75% of Korean players in the GSL.
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They lose to Koreans way more than win vs them.
Idra loses wayyyy more, hes like 2-132123 this year. He won a relatively very weak IEM.
Huk didn't do well at MLG despite his placing in winter arena. He got absolutely wasted by mkp and drg.
On March 15 2012 03:41 OmiDeLta wrote: Wow, the SlayerS guys are just leaving in droves, it seems. o.o All these Koreans looking for forgein teams today...I wonder what the reason is?
On March 14 2012 20:31 MaNaVoId wrote: Idra: We have already seen enough of how this guy gets torn apart by average koreans. Huk: Huk is considered as a korean recruit just like how select is considered as a foreigner. But even so, since joining EG, his results have been deteriorating.
I'm so sick of this kind of garbage. Idra loses to Koreans, yes. But he also beats Koreans. Remember the MLG run of Boxer, Hongun and then Bomber? Remember when he took out Revival and then Puma at IEM?
And Huk, he has been doing amazing. He won MLG Orlando, and just did well at the Winter Arena, and regularly takes games off Koreans.
Fact is, these guys lose to Korean players, and also beat Koreans. You can't expect them to win every game and series, but they both have results that are more impressive than 75% of Korean players in the GSL.
[/QUOTE] Are you serious? I don't think anyone with the slighest knowledge of SC2 scene would write bs like this. Check Idra's excellent performance at IEM Hannover, he got stomped even by Europeans, and they weren't top tier. Don't talk about Idra beating Koreans when he is unable to win vs DarkForce... Impressive results? Has Idra ever won anything (besides low-lvl IEM)?
On March 15 2012 03:41 OmiDeLta wrote: Wow, the SlayerS guys are just leaving in droves, it seems. o.o All these Koreans looking for forgein teams today...I wonder what the reason is?
I can understand players leaving SlayerS. They seem very focused on a small core of their team. It's always BoxeR, MMA and Jessica with Eve under her arm in the spotlight. I don't know how it is in the team behind closed doors and all but in the current state of the korean sc2 scene I guess everyone is kinda desperate on some kind of exposure and if you don't get that in your team, well then better look for foreign teams I guess.
Are you serious? I don't think anyone with the slighest knowledge of SC2 scene would write bs like this. Check Idra's excellent performance at IEM Hannover, he got stomped even by Europeans, and they weren't top tier. Don't talk about Idra beating Koreans when he is unable to win vs DarkForce... Impressive results? Has Idra ever won anything (besides low-lvl IEM)?
biased americans wont accept the fact that IdrA is not even a top foreigner no more, but mediocre at best
Calling IdrA mediocre is ridiculous.. Its guys that have only had decent results for a few months like Nerchio and Stephano that arent that good.... IdrA will always be a top foreignewr these boys are just flashes in the pan
Idra hasn't being playing well recently, I believe the results speak for themselves. I'm hoping he finds a way to improve his form, he was looking really good just before he went back to Korea for the second time.
On March 15 2012 06:29 Jepsyn wrote: Calling IdrA mediocre is ridiculous.. Its guys that have only had decent results for a few months like Nerchio and Stephano that arent that good.... IdrA will always be a top foreignewr these boys are just flashes in the pan
LOL IDRA BETTER THAN STEPHANO WHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH.
On March 15 2012 06:29 Jepsyn wrote: Calling IdrA mediocre is ridiculous.. Its guys that have only had decent results for a few months like Nerchio and Stephano that arent that good.... IdrA will always be a top foreignewr these boys are just flashes in the pan
lol ppl like u give me serious headache
Stephano on top for just a few months?
basically the guy dominates the foreign scene for like one year straight now
where was your beloved Idol IdrA the last couple of months?
Right - in the gym, doing biceps workout, along with his mates InControl and Machine (or Minigun hell I dont care)
winning absolutely nothing and losing all of his games when he got invited to play Code S.
Then how can u discredit Nerchio, a guy who actually performs, and lost to Code S champ Jjakj Four to Five, while IdrA just gets roflstomped all over the place.
What you biased europeans fail to realize is the ONLY tournaments that matter are GSL and MLG everything else is just minor league crap.. and IdrA has vetter results than both of your BOYS in the two leagues that ACTUALLLY MEAN SOMETHING... so in review GSL Ro8 for IdrA MLG Win... those two guys... nothing
On March 15 2012 06:56 Jepsyn wrote: What you biased europeans fail to realize is the ONLY tournaments that matter are GSL and MLG everything else is just minor league crap.. and IdrA has vetter results than both of your BOYS in the two leagues that ACTUALLLY MEAN SOMETHING... so in review GSL Ro8 for IdrA MLG Win... those two guys... nothing
your argument failed since Stephano never attended Code S up to this date, ignorant idra Fankiddo
On March 15 2012 06:29 Jepsyn wrote: Calling IdrA mediocre is ridiculous.. Its guys that have only had decent results for a few months like Nerchio and Stephano that arent that good.... IdrA will always be a top foreignewr these boys are just flashes in the pan
Continuing to derail the thread will result in my wrath. This is not an idra thread, this is not a thread about which non Korean is best, stop arguing about it
On March 15 2012 03:41 OmiDeLta wrote: Wow, the SlayerS guys are just leaving in droves, it seems. o.o All these Koreans looking for forgein teams today...I wonder what the reason is?
It's very simple really. Foreign teams are still looking to add these B+ Korean talents. I would bet that both Teaja and Ganzi have been contacted by foreign team(s) and already had unofficial offers before this announcement. If you are a player of Teaja's calibur, who just cannot reach that next level to get to Code S consistently, and a foreign team comes to you offering to send you to IEMs and ASOGs of the world, do you choose to stay in your current team or take the offer and leave?
This is a bit concerning for those foreign players as it's now that much harder for them to find a decent team.
Maybe instead of being simply a team mate among all star Korean players, they want to become the star player of a foreign team. Like how viOLet became Empire`s ace player.
On March 15 2012 06:56 jmbthirteen wrote: Huh, I thought this thread was about Ganzi and Taeja leaving Slayers.
lol, I opened this in tab and the idra fanclub, so when I read this thread I assumed it was the idra fanclub lol, it never crossed my mind. Then I saw your comment and thought for sure you posted in the wrong thread. LOL
I'm starting to wonder, I assumed that these guys already had teams lined up when they left slayers. Do you think they just split, hoping for a foreign team to pick them up? and if so, how long will these guys play teamless? Given that one is in Code S and the other in A they are top players in the world and would add a lot of weight to pretty much any team.
Taeja is such a top tier player, He will not have any issues finding a good foreign team. Col. maybe? doubt eg or anything like that... we will probably found out soon, after about 30 annoucements of annoucements
On March 15 2012 06:56 Jepsyn wrote: What you biased europeans fail to realize is the ONLY tournaments that matter are GSL and MLG everything else is just minor league crap.. and IdrA has vetter results than both of your BOYS in the two leagues that ACTUALLLY MEAN SOMETHING... so in review GSL Ro8 for IdrA MLG Win... those two guys... nothing
On March 15 2012 06:29 Jepsyn wrote: Calling IdrA mediocre is ridiculous.. Its guys that have only had decent results for a few months like Nerchio and Stephano that arent that good.... IdrA will always be a top foreignewr these boys are just flashes in the pan
lololololol. are you seriously saying Idra is better than stephano? Idra used to be good, but for the last few months hes been absolutely awful.
On March 16 2012 03:42 Promethelax wrote: I'm starting to wonder, I assumed that these guys already had teams lined up when they left slayers. Do you think they just split, hoping for a foreign team to pick them up? and if so, how long will these guys play teamless? Given that one is in Code S and the other in A they are top players in the world and would add a lot of weight to pretty much any team.
Most Korean players kind of just assume that a foreign team will just pick them up after they hear that they are free agents without much thought. At least that's what I've noticed :3 Also I can imagine them being teamless for a little while, even if they are top tier, most foreign teams have really full line ups.
...it would be nice if Liquid got some terran mixed into their team though ;P
On March 16 2012 08:43 FlyingDike wrote: EG will turn Idra's renewal down and accept one of them, I hope.
Idra's too valuable to drop. Results wise he hasn't been doing as well but he's still a big name in the foreign community.
Exactly. Idra doesn't have to win anything to keep his popularity. Once you gain popularity in the sc2 scene, it's pretty damn hard to lose it. Look at idra's stream. Still gets like 9k viewers even with him doing poorly this year. His fanbase doesn't care if he wins or not.
On March 16 2012 08:43 FlyingDike wrote: EG will turn Idra's renewal down and accept one of them, I hope.
Idra's too valuable to drop. Results wise he hasn't been doing as well but he's still a big name in the foreign community.
Exactly. Idra doesn't have to win anything to keep his popularity. Once you gain popularity in the sc2 scene, it's pretty damn hard to lose it. Look at idra's stream. Still gets like 9k viewers even with him doing poorly this year. His fanbase doesn't care if he wins or not.
Imagine what would happen if he race changed to Terran.
On March 15 2012 06:56 Jepsyn wrote: What you biased europeans fail to realize is the ONLY tournaments that matter are GSL and MLG everything else is just minor league crap.. and IdrA has vetter results than both of your BOYS in the two leagues that ACTUALLLY MEAN SOMETHING... so in review GSL Ro8 for IdrA MLG Win... those two guys... nothing
What you biased europeans fail to realize is the ONLY tournaments that matter are GSL and MLG everything else is just minor league crap.. and IdrA has vetter results than both of your BOYS in the two leagues that ACTUALLLY MEAN SOMETHING... so in review GSL Ro8 for IdrA MLG Win... those two guys... nothing
I love these 10year old Idra-Fanboys :D IdrA is ~ 5W-60L this year :D
On March 15 2012 06:56 Jepsyn wrote: What you biased europeans fail to realize is the ONLY tournaments that matter are GSL and MLG everything else is just minor league crap.. and IdrA has vetter results than both of your BOYS in the two leagues that ACTUALLLY MEAN SOMETHING... so in review GSL Ro8 for IdrA MLG Win... those two guys... nothing
Wow there. First of all MLG is not at the same lvl of GSL so compared to that MLG is also "minor league crap". It is about the current results and let's be honest here, IdrA hasn't done so well for a while now. I don't even know what you are trying to say in that last part. Oh and was attacking a whole continent really needed?
On March 15 2012 06:56 Jepsyn wrote: What you biased europeans fail to realize is the ONLY tournaments that matter are GSL and MLG everything else is just minor league crap.. and IdrA has vetter results than both of your BOYS in the two leagues that ACTUALLLY MEAN SOMETHING... so in review GSL Ro8 for IdrA MLG Win... those two guys... nothing
Wow there. First of all MLG is not at the same lvl of GSL so compared to that MLG is also "minor league crap". It is about the current results and let's be honest here, IdrA hasn't done so well for a while now. I don't even know what you are trying to say in that last part. Oh and was attacking a whole continent really needed?
MLG now is nearly on level as gsl, definitely at least as code a. Look at arena, MVP, Nestea, Losira, DRG, MKP, Ganzi, parting, OZ, MC.
On March 15 2012 06:56 Jepsyn wrote: What you biased europeans fail to realize is the ONLY tournaments that matter are GSL and MLG everything else is just minor league crap.. and IdrA has vetter results than both of your BOYS in the two leagues that ACTUALLLY MEAN SOMETHING... so in review GSL Ro8 for IdrA MLG Win... those two guys... nothing
Also you realize Ganzi has 4th at a MLG (one with Koreans at it not one of those all foreigner old ones), round of 4 gsl, and code a championship. Thats actually more than Idra.
On March 15 2012 06:56 Jepsyn wrote: What you biased europeans fail to realize is the ONLY tournaments that matter are GSL and MLG everything else is just minor league crap.. and IdrA has vetter results than both of your BOYS in the two leagues that ACTUALLLY MEAN SOMETHING... so in review GSL Ro8 for IdrA MLG Win... those two guys... nothing
Wow there. First of all MLG is not at the same lvl of GSL so compared to that MLG is also "minor league crap". It is about the current results and let's be honest here, IdrA hasn't done so well for a while now. I don't even know what you are trying to say in that last part. Oh and was attacking a whole continent really needed?
MLG now is nearly on level as gsl, definitely at least as code a. Look at arena, MVP, Nestea, Losira, DRG, MKP, Ganzi, parting, OZ, MC.
Undeniably true, but having to play 15 games in 3 days or 15 games in one month is still kinda different, wouldn't you agree? :D I'm not saying that preparation and analyzing an opponent are to be higher valued than the ability to play a lot of games in a short period of time. I'm saying that comparing MLG tournaments with the GSL is stupid :D
On March 15 2012 06:56 Jepsyn wrote: What you biased europeans fail to realize is the ONLY tournaments that matter are GSL and MLG everything else is just minor league crap.. and IdrA has vetter results than both of your BOYS in the two leagues that ACTUALLLY MEAN SOMETHING... so in review GSL Ro8 for IdrA MLG Win... those two guys... nothing
No, that is what a biased american is like. MLG doesn't hold the standard of GSL. Nor is MLG bigger or more important than a tournament like DreamHack or an IEM.
On March 15 2012 06:56 Jepsyn wrote: What you biased europeans fail to realize is the ONLY tournaments that matter are GSL and MLG everything else is just minor league crap.. and IdrA has vetter results than both of your BOYS in the two leagues that ACTUALLLY MEAN SOMETHING... so in review GSL Ro8 for IdrA MLG Win... those two guys... nothing
No, that is what a biased american is like. MLG doesn't hold the standard of GSL. Nor is MLG bigger or more important than a tournament like DreamHack or an IEM.
Yeah it's GSL alone as the highest level tournament. Then MLG/Dreamhack/IEM are all on the next level below that...I really doubt many progamers would call MLG conclusively more important than Dreamhack
On March 15 2012 06:56 Jepsyn wrote: What you biased europeans fail to realize is the ONLY tournaments that matter are GSL and MLG everything else is just minor league crap.. and IdrA has vetter results than both of your BOYS in the two leagues that ACTUALLLY MEAN SOMETHING... so in review GSL Ro8 for IdrA MLG Win... those two guys... nothing
aha you are delusional man. Idra hasn't had a good showing in ages.
Let's face it - you can count the number of NA superstars on one hand. While you could come up with half a dozen names for all 3 races in EU.
EPT
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