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MildSeven
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada311 Posts
March 09 2012 05:39 GMT
#321
Starcraft community is like a giant vulture pack with tophats and monocles pretending to be gentlemen, cultured, reasonable and educated, but when we get our chances at commenting on a drama, or directing hate at a public personality fallen from grace (except for Whitera, tasteless and few others but then they would never be so disrespectful), we jump on that like vultures on a full carcass while sparking numerous more discussions, occasionally jokes, get a little ego boost from criticizing or not criticizing, just commenting and hoping for feedback and relish and waiting for the controversy to get bigger, more intense and hope the public figure crumbles.

Then again, i am part of the starcraft community. Good job Orb not stating you're drunk this time, or throwing people Kawaiirice, Spade and Destiny under the bus, that shit doesn't help.
Bkennedy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States266 Posts
March 09 2012 05:39 GMT
#322
I'm sorry man.... I really am....

Best of luck to you.
ZwuckeL
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany563 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 05:42:04
March 09 2012 05:39 GMT
#323
On March 09 2012 14:32 CameronJ wrote:
I'm not sure why you're so offended by someone getting angry on ladder. Every person who has ever played on ladder seriously has raged; I've raged. I don't know why your heart is so set and happy to see this personality go away, it frustrates me more than his "racist" comments to be honest.


there is clearly a difference of bm'ing at times or having a bm/narcissistic mind set. In my opinion not one single person with a mindset like orb's should ever become a known or representing induvidual in any scene.
baba1
Profile Joined April 2005
Canada355 Posts
March 09 2012 05:39 GMT
#324
It's all good we can be buddy buddy now.
noq uote
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
March 09 2012 05:39 GMT
#325
On March 09 2012 14:34 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 14:30 dAPhREAk wrote:
On March 09 2012 14:29 Forikorder wrote:
On March 09 2012 14:27 battyone wrote:
On March 09 2012 14:26 Forikorder wrote:
On March 09 2012 14:23 dynabetes wrote:
On March 09 2012 14:21 Forikorder wrote:
On March 09 2012 14:19 dynabetes wrote:
On March 09 2012 14:15 Forikorder wrote:
On March 09 2012 14:10 dynabetes wrote:
on a sidenote, how about InControl trolling a porn star (aka mia rose) to the brink of tears. That was quite an embarrassment to watch and much more deplorable than trolling a random ladder opponent who you don't know.

source?

and even assuming its true it would ahve to be completely one sided, completely innitiated by incontrol and even then the fact the other party is a porn star means majority wouldnt care



you obviously didn't watch the drunken episode of SOTG to conclude last year.

And your being inconsiderate to porn stars proves that you are a bigot yourself. She is a former pornstar and did not want to talk about it at all. She was completely trolled and teased by InControl.

now im really confused, so she comes on a talk show thats known for tons of trolling and joking around (ya they talk about whats happening and can be serious but theres always alot of joking around especially from inctonrol) and then she has such thin skin that she actually cant help what is (i assume) good natured teasing from incontrol?

i mean isnt that why the show is so late at night so tehy can do stuff like this? and why it gets taht mature warning?


if you watched the episode you would see that it was not good natured and she was not coming on the show expecting to be ridiculed. Aside from whatever personal opinion you have about porn stars or the atmospher on SOTG, she did not deserve to be treated the way she was.

if you linked the episode i may watch it but seems your not too interested in providing evidence to support your claims

and to Orb, i really think your sitting on a time bomb here, people are all talking about your apology and EGs statement now, and it will probably die soon and noone will mention it, bt you know that as soon as you land a good casting gig, therell be a reddit thread titled "you know he never apologized about lieing"


http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/videos/80286-state-of-the-game-ep-60

There's your link to the episode, i'd have done a lmgtfy but it would have been lost on you anyway.

aparently its a 4 hour vid, so ill get back to you in 4 hours unless youd like to give me a specific time it starts

its at the end, like the last 30 minutes. but it was not as he represented, so dont bother.

only 6 minutes in and its completely hilarious so at least somethimg good has come of this

ironically, the part with the pornstar is just very uncomfortable and boring. the rest of it was great.
BthreeN
Profile Joined December 2010
United States48 Posts
March 09 2012 05:40 GMT
#326
On March 09 2012 14:37 Forikorder wrote:
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On March 09 2012 14:36 BthreeN wrote:
Just curious, can EG really fire him for this? Considering it happend prior to his employment with them. Would like to know if a contract existed.

i believe there was some incidents of it during his employment and he did lie alot about it during his employment as well and there was no apology


Thank you. I was under the impression that it all happend before.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I prefer creep.
slytown
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)1411 Posts
March 09 2012 05:40 GMT
#327
Sux orb. Unfortunately this is how business is done. GL in the next casting venture.
The best Flash meme ever: http://imgur.com/zquoK
cmen15
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1519 Posts
March 09 2012 05:40 GMT
#328
Sorry to hear about all of this Orb, am a big fan of you!!! : (
Greed leads to just about all losses.
RodrigoX
Profile Joined November 2009
United States645 Posts
March 09 2012 05:40 GMT
#329
I always find honest regret and sincerity so hard to find in an apology. Because yeah, they are sincere, they sincerely are sorry this happened to them. They realized what they did did not help them. So they regret their action. Not because it was wrong, but because it hurt them. If it didn't hurt them pretty sure it would not make a difference.

Basically, an actual apology is worth something if the person has integrity. Then you come into consideration whether or not the person has integrity, and if they did have integrity would they do what they did in the first place. Only real option is they are sincere they never thought what they did would have consequences, or was morally wrong.
We were all raised on televion that made us believe we'd all be Millionairs, Movie gods, and Rockstars..... But we won't.... We are slowly learning that fact. And we are very, very pissed off.
MountainGoat
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States507 Posts
March 09 2012 05:40 GMT
#330
I don't think you deserved to be dismissed. I hope you can make a comeback someday and I enjoy your casting.
peekn
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1152 Posts
March 09 2012 05:40 GMT
#331
Wait... so someone dug this up and posted it just to get stir the pot!? ARE YOU SERIOUS?! So someone out there went out of their way to find evidence against him, who did this long before he joined EG, just to get him in hot water?! That is unbelievable...sounds like some tabloid.

Thanks for the apology post. I will still be watching your casts and streams, haven't angered this fan.
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 05:43:36
March 09 2012 05:41 GMT
#332
On March 09 2012 14:30 Reedjr wrote:
I'm really conflicted about this. On the first hand, I love Orb's casting and have since he started doing stuff with the NASL. The fact that I'm likely not going to see anymore of that for awhile is really disheartening. I think this apology is honest, but it's still too little too late.

However, he's not really apologizing for the right things here. The specific language he used is obviously not acceptable, but unfortunately he handled this situation poorly. I'd like to think that if he owned up to it and admitted that he said those things that would have been the end of it. The problem was more that he tried to cover it up, which is an understandable, knee-jerk reaction. I've seen Orb's stream before I saw him cast. The dude rages. We've all done things in the heat of the moment that we realize are unacceptable (even if those are multiple moments). But now I feel that I cannot take his word at face value. He says these things all happened long before his stint with EG, but he also said that his friends did it and... Well, we know the rest.

Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 14:26 MrCash wrote:
On March 09 2012 14:22 Space Invader wrote:
On March 09 2012 13:14 -orb- wrote:
I want to make absolutely clear that I am not a racist. The accusations against me could not be farther from the truth. The 'N word' was used in a replacable fashion, in that any other curse word would have held the exact same meaning for me.

Just by the way, that is actually kind of the definition of racism right there... You call someone a 'f***ing jap' and say 'oh but I may as well just have called you a 'f***ing wanker'.


Except he wasn't using the term towards black people.
He was using it the same way many people use the the word f**, as a general insult.
On a certain level I approve of this, as it actually desensitizes the term and destroys it's meaning. Anything that is used less frequently or is repressed, increases in significance. Be it alcohol (prohibition), drugs, or words. The more we try to "raise awareness" to non-PC terms by simply making everyone not use them, the more offensive they become when actually used.
That however is just a fact of life, not a justification for immaturely throwing the word around either.


This cannot be more wrong. These words have very specific meanings that will always be negative, and by using them in other contexts you're actually giving more power to those words.


There is a reason why "cracker" isn't as offensive of a term and isn't used 50 times in every rap song. I didn't put the **** in cracker, because I think many people wouldn't even figure it out.
The word had the intent to be both derogatory and insulting, however it's used far too commonly by everyone to be effective. Every offensive term you can think of is not used frequently and ones that are used the least tend to be the most offensive. Other social factors have weight, like original use of the term, well known figures who famously used the word in statements or speeches. It gets to be a rather deep and complicated social phenomena, however it is a fact.
The other way to present this is that offensive words are not used frequently BECAUSE they are offensive, however that is a narrow way of looking at the topic. In reality both aspects are related and affect the use of the word and how it is interpreted.

Also to add, the high use of the n-word in all the rap songs has not increased it's offensiveness in any way.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
March 09 2012 05:42 GMT
#333
On March 09 2012 14:40 BthreeN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 14:37 Forikorder wrote:
On March 09 2012 14:36 BthreeN wrote:
Just curious, can EG really fire him for this? Considering it happend prior to his employment with them. Would like to know if a contract existed.

i believe there was some incidents of it during his employment and he did lie alot about it during his employment as well and there was no apology


Thank you. I was under the impression that it all happend before.

It did.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
KevinBacon
Profile Joined July 2011
Portugal48 Posts
March 09 2012 05:42 GMT
#334
All this situation aside i just want to say that i think you are a very talented caster and i hope you get a second chance at casting starcraft professionally in the future.
Dannnnn_The_Man
Profile Joined April 2011
United States166 Posts
March 09 2012 05:42 GMT
#335
Ya you sweared at some people over ladder. People rage somtimes and i feel as if the community is taking this a bit too far. I hope nothing bad comes of this, i respect you as a community member/caster/player.
"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
Argolis
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada211 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 05:43:21
March 09 2012 05:42 GMT
#336
On March 09 2012 14:38 eNbee wrote:
I really don't understand all these posts about "He didn't do anything wrong" "fuck reddit for making this happen".

Fuck reddit? No no no my friends, it, it's childish and disgusting behavior. The internet is a great tool for so many reasons, allowing people to behave like this is not one of them.

On top of that Orb blatantly lied about the accusations and tried to worm his way out of them, before finally coming clean and posting a half-hearted apology, which didn't mention anything about his lies by the way.

Good riddance Orb, and Orb-defenders : what is wrong with you?


Please define the word nigger and explain how it is the "foulest language". I don't see why the community is so hyper sensitive to the word when it's used in a setting like a sc2 ladder game to an anonymous opponent but words like rape, faggot, retard etc aren't an issue at all.
Joedaddy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1948 Posts
March 09 2012 05:43 GMT
#337
On March 09 2012 14:42 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 14:40 BthreeN wrote:
On March 09 2012 14:37 Forikorder wrote:
On March 09 2012 14:36 BthreeN wrote:
Just curious, can EG really fire him for this? Considering it happend prior to his employment with them. Would like to know if a contract existed.

i believe there was some incidents of it during his employment and he did lie alot about it during his employment as well and there was no apology


Thank you. I was under the impression that it all happend before.

It did.


Everything but the lying part. That happened during.
I might be the minority on TL, but TL is the minority everywhere else.
mrGRAPE
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore293 Posts
March 09 2012 05:44 GMT
#338
Why can't people just be well mannered when they lose? Geez, then all this won't be happening.

Seems like sportsmanship is still a term that's way off for eSports.
Starcraft 2 and eSports enthusiast. https://twitter.com/#!/mrGRAPETV | http://mrgrapetv.wordpress.com/
Sotark
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada66 Posts
March 09 2012 05:44 GMT
#339
You are forgiven.
I honestly don't understand why people hold this against him. Yes, he is a community figure, but this is his PERSONAL account.
Let him rage if he wants to, if ANY other word other then the N word was used, No one would care.
forgive this man, He deserves it.
pi_rate_pir_ate
Profile Joined April 2010
United States179 Posts
March 09 2012 05:44 GMT
#340
I "forgive" you. You didn't do anything to me, and I don't think you did anything wrong, but you did something unprofessional and that has professionally wounded you. I don't think I will forgive the vindictive people who contacted sponsors, or the mindless uncompassionate people who took screenshots of your "BM." However, you should probably forgive them, because not doing so will simply get in the way of you recovering. There are some people who are still on Jihad against "racism" and there are others who are simply ready and waiting to destroy anyone they can, but most men remember the vandalism tendency from their teen years. We should be ready to rise against evil, but we must also be able to use discretion or else we are creating the very environment where racism becomes acceptable. Discretion is needed for maturity.
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