EPTI actually feel like I have to apologize for myself for typing this out, but it sums up my frustration to how you handled this pretty well.
Orb Dismissed from Evil Geniuses Broadcasts - Page 96
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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources. In short, be smart. Alex comments on Idra: Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038 Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST | ||
kasperklysner
Denmark44 Posts
I actually feel like I have to apologize for myself for typing this out, but it sums up my frustration to how you handled this pretty well. | ||
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Geen
Netherlands51 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:29 Klondikebar wrote: Not sure how it works in Germany, but in America you get fired from your job for making racist comments. Orb was treated exactly like every other American employee in the country. In America you get fired if you used the n-word in your free time, even if the event happened way before you even accepted the job? Do employers tell you when you can take a shit as well, or do you have some freedom with that? | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:27 zul wrote: the point I wanted to make is that there is a difference between words and actions. Yeah orb raged badly and it made him look like a little, stupid kid. But you can in no way believe that he hates blacks and gay people, after readin these comments. These words were probably the strongest that came into his mind and he just spilled them out without thinking. But I feel I need to make one thing clear: I do not defend orbs stupid actions. But the fact, that people who have nothing to do with the whole situation make it their business to destroy his carreer, is sickening. I agree, i dont think that he is really a racist in the sense of maybe a nazi 60 years ago. But, that doesnt change the fact that he tried to insult someone by calling him black, which is racist in itself. If i walk up to someone and call him "stupid jew", that could have serious (legal) consequences for me (germany). So yeah, he may not be a KKK-member, of course not. But then again he has somehow the mindset that calling someone "black guy" is an insult, and thats kinda.. At least, its worriesome (worrysome? dont know the word right now). | ||
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vZNuKE
United States77 Posts
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tapk69
Portugal264 Posts
Is Orb a black guy ? no Is Orb a public speaker in the SC2 community ? yes So is it ok for him to say niggers ? It seems that many think so , but its wrong wrong wrong Stop with Idra talk , i never liked him but i bet he doesnt call other players ni###s.. When i look at Orb , i think he is a virgin , but at least i dont say it or insult him because of respect...If you want to be respected , respect the others | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:34 Tobberoth wrote: What people need to realize is that "gay" and "nigger" are already insults like "retard" or "dumbass". Yeah, they became insults because of homophobia and racism, people who hated black people called people they disliked "nigger" as an insult. That doesn't mean someone today using those words as insults are racist or homophobic, they are just using known insults. If you call someone "idiot", do you literally think of "a person of the lowest order in a former and discarded classification of mental retardation, having a mental age of less than three years old and an intelligence quotient under 25."? No? Because that is what it means and where the insult comes from. But you don't know that, you just need an insult and say what comes to mind. Same with people who use "nigger" as an insult, they aren't literally saying "you're bad, so you're a nigger because blacks are bad and so are you", they are just using an insult which they consider strong. I think retard is a stronger insult than idiot, but if you go by the historical meaning of the terms, idiot is actually far worse. But we DON'T go by historical meanings. They are still racist and homophobic just stop being biggoted and realise that >.> . | ||
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:32 DeepElemBlues wrote: Alex comments on Idra: https://twitter.com/#!/ottersareneat/status/177964162113224705 Alex comments on Idra: https://twitter.com/#!/ottersareneat/status/177964162113224705 Alex comments on Idra: https://twitter.com/#!/ottersareneat/status/177964162113224705 ..... that is what you call a slap on the wrist. idra has been getting those for years. him saying that doesnt mean a damn thing. idra should have been fired long ago. but he isnt because his BM makes them money, so he will continue to get slapped on the wrist. what alex is doing is the same thing as telling the principle "i know my son beat up a student without mercy, i will talk to him about it. have a nice day" | ||
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HornyHerring
Papua New Guinea1058 Posts
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Kammie
United Kingdom2 Posts
If i call my mum a nigger, am i being racist? "hurr durr but u still said the word" No, shut up, it's about context. Hell even black people call other black people niggers, i hate how people who werent even around when black people were in slavery take offense to it lol I mean sure, someone aged 80 and black might, but people who are black, and aged 20, taking offense to "nigger" are stupid. This will get me a ban probably because i'm not abiding by the "social metagame life style" instead of using common sense. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:35 vZNuKE wrote: who cares about online insults... man people are faggots man people are homophobes | ||
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kasperklysner
Denmark44 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:35 tapk69 wrote: Is Orb a rapper ? no Is Orb a black guy ? no Is Orb a public speaker in the SC2 community ? yes So is it ok for him to say niggers ? It seems that many think so , but its wrong wrong wrong Stop with Idra talk , i never liked him but i bet he doesnt call other players ni###s.. When i look at Orb , i think he is a virgin , but at least i dont say it or insult him because of respect...If you want to be respected , respect the others Was he a public speaker of the SC2 community when he said this said word? NO. | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:29 Klondikebar wrote: Maybe you should read the mod edit at the top of the page? Or maybe you should read it again? They are completely exhonorating Idra because he hasn't used it lately, yet firing Orb for remarks that he made a year ago when he wasn't even affiliated with EG. EG is being extremely hypocritical in this issue. The only reason they fired Orb is because overall they stood to lose more money from the negative press than they were to gain from having Orb employed. Just like with Idra they make more money from having him than they do by firing him. EG couldn't give less fucks about what people say as long as they make money for EG, yet they try to act like the angelic protectors of morality... This is no better than Orb's racists remarks. | ||
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vZNuKE
United States77 Posts
liberal faggot, what's new. UK is full of them, keep letting sandies enter your country and steal your money. User was banned for this post. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:35 Zaros wrote: They are still racist and homophobic just stop being biggoted and realise that >.> . No they aren't. You're misunderstanding their use of language and attributing views to them they might very well not have. | ||
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MaestroMaus
Netherlands23 Posts
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:33 kasperklysner wrote: Congrats everyone on being perfect human beings, just remember if you've ever made a racist, sexist or a offensive comment in general, EVER in your life, you're going to hell(Or get fired). I actually feel like I have to apologize for myself for typing this out, but it sums up my frustration to how you handled this pretty well. You also should add if you were interpreted as racist, sexist, or offensive, regardless if that was your actual intent. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
..... that is what you call a slap on the wrist. idra has been getting those for years. him saying that doesnt mean a damn thing. idra should have been fired long ago. but he isnt because his BM makes them money, so he will continue to get slapped on the wrist. Well no. I'm not much of a fan of Alex Garfield (I think he's rather mealy-mouthed) but when was the last time Idra called someone a "faggot"? He has a point. Idra using that slur was addressed and he doesn't use it anymore. Now you're asserting that just being BM should get you fired, because you want to portray EG as hypocritical. Stick to some facts please if you're going to make accusations and predictions for the future based on your manufactured self-righteous indignation. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:38 Tobberoth wrote: No they aren't. You're misunderstanding their use of language and attributing views to them they might very well not have. i understand they may not mean it in a homophobic sense but the word itself is homophobic and downgrading. | ||
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reapsen
Germany559 Posts
When do people understand that using words that have questionable semantics does not mean you endorse the ideology connect with them, i.e. orb is not a "racist". Was his behaviour unprofessional? - yes. Was his behaviour inexcusable? - no! The terrible thing is that a company like EG is bowing down before those drama queens from reddit, who choose random target in a 4chan-style of pattern and pretty much doing it "for teh lulz". Now basically anyone who has old skeletons in his closet has to fear that he might be exposed to this mob of pitchfork carrying bullys. I don't even get it. The whole reason why orb got some attention in the first place because he entertained people by his rage and bm, just like destiny did when sc2 was just released. EG must have known that or otherwise their personnel manager did a bad job, when hiring orb. The correct thing to do would have been to make orb give an elaborate excuse (which he did), and then show that you dissociate yourself from anything in that regard, by doing something like this: - Make orb donate his first paycheck to a really good charity. - Make orb to cast a whole night of monobattles (or other stuff where the community has some fun in) and donate the raisings to a really good charity. - Invite some local disadvantaged/underprivileged children into the EG House and let them play sc2 for a couple of hours and give them some free energy drinks. - Whatever, something like this. But dismissing orb is 100% the wrong sign to the community. It shows all the redditors how much power they have, even over one of heaviest cornerstones of the business like EG is. That statement by Mr. Garfield makes me really sad and facepalm hard at the same time. | ||
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