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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources. In short, be smart. Alex comments on Idra: Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038 Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:06 Uracil wrote: Just shows that a lot of people are more interested in drama than the actual game. Not really im saying removing homophobic and racist language would be a big plus to raising esports awareness and acceptance socially, is that a hard point to understand? | ||
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KaiserJohan
Sweden1808 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:06 Uracil wrote: Just shows that a lot of people are more interested in drama than the actual game. This. It is so damned disheartening. | ||
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:01 silentsod wrote: I'm not talking about any particular word, I'm talking about behaviors on the whole. I tried to stress that when I said "no mention of racial slurs" as in "this isn't about racial slurs." Orb has a history of being vitriolic, so do IdrA and Destiny. Why they've lasted so long with so many eyes on them is a mystery to me. I'd like a well-behaved community and if the change isn't coming from the bottom up I don't mind it happening top down. this community will never be well behaved. destiny gets a daily viewership of 3k minimum and it only increases the more offensive he is. i remember he got up to 15k viewers at one point when he brought combatEX and deezer on stream. you can only imagine the ammount of offensive langurage that brought. recently the most offensive thing he has done this year was with mia rose back in january. upwards of 10k+ viewers all watching him grab mia roses boobs while drunk despite her saying stop numerous times. thats why i find it sad when the community burns someone like just because of ONE word..... | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:07 ChaosTerran wrote: I watched orbs stream a couple of months ago and he actually called someone a nigger on stream (I haven't watch his stream since, but I am really surprised that nobody complained about his use of racist language earlier, I'm sure you could find a few posts in his stream thread, but overall nobody really cared until a few days ago). At that point it doesn't freaking matter what he claims to be, he regularly uses racist words to insult other people, I couldn't care less if he's actually racist or not, he sure as hell is promoting racism and at the very least accepting it as something "normal". Better late than never. I'm proud of EG and e-sports community. | ||
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MrTortoise
1388 Posts
Yes the racism is bad, but its just the excuse for another witch hunt for some drama. | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
On March 09 2012 21:51 Jinks_ wrote: i hate racist people gg no re I hate stupidity. How can one sane man judge orb for a racist based on these screenshots. An Idiot? Yeah, that seems to fit, but not a racist. Narrow-minded people seem to need a target to throw their morals at. I wish people would wake up and see how racism/sexism really works. It`s not the people that make stupid comments, who make it hard for certain groups, it`s the people that smile in your face, but literally throw stones in the way of gays, women, blacks, atheist, muslims or whatever. Huge difference! Let me tell you something. One of my best friends is actually gay and my hetero friends and me used to make some jokes about gay stuff for years. Yeah that seems stupid, but my gay friend didn`t mind and joked back. If he would have a problem with it, we wouldn`t have done. But you know what? I love that guy and so do my other friends. I am pretty sure that all of us would literally fight with and for him, if some stupid fucks would harras him for being gay. Words and actions are not always the same and people should learn the fucking difference. I know this whole topic is very hot and I too am very emotional about it, so I want to apologize for some bad words. But it angers and depresses me, that some people act like the morality police, but than do way worse stuff, when they participate in actions to destroy someones life and get him fired. Use your energy for better things! | ||
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Iloja
Germany29 Posts
A lot of people make arguments that "noone cared when Destiny or Idra lost it in publicity" ... that's wrong, there has always been an outrage on TL, it was just always besieged by the very same people who now try to downplay this incident as well. You always claim that the people complaining are a "small vocal minority" and continue to rant aggressively about "freedom of speech" and "personal stream, not meant for the public" and that we don't have the right to "judge someone on what he says on his personal stream". I think that as soon as you make the decision to add your stream on Team Liquid you make it public and valid to members of this community to critisize! Don't want it? Don't get yourself listed on TL with your stream. You want the exposure and publicity that comes with beeing listed on TeamLiquid you have to take it all, the good and the bad, no cherry-picking for noone! The concept of it seems rather simple. If not, feel free to create your own community (especially with those people in mind that did state here that they "truly" are "ashamed" of the "overreaction" over this "trivial" thing (like, really?) that happened and want to quit this community because of it) with your own tournaments and your own clans where only straight, white males do participate with the policy of encouraging sexually and racially demeening language for "entertainment"(!) ... just don't wonder what kind of people will attend such events/community in the end and why you can't find sponsors. Good luck with that! | ||
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Testuser
6469 Posts
If orb stops casting I'll honestly be quite pissed. He's one of the few good and genuine casters. Yea, he rages when he plays, but so does a shit ton of people. This is really quite quite sad. | ||
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Hamzilla
United States143 Posts
 - I hope Orb sticks with SC2 as we need more intelligent casters. | ||
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FuFighter
Germany60 Posts
That being said I don't think this is an over-reaction. I think this is exactly how something like that should be handled. Using such words is not acceptable, never, neither in my real life community of friends nor in the community of my favourite game. So I'm glad we're not saying "well, it's not that bad". Yeah it is! And we should make a big deal out of it. If I was the owner of a company I wouldn't want to work with people that insensitive either.. So I don't know what else to say. I 100% agree with the original post. Very well written. Thank you, Mr Garfield! | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:12 zul wrote: I hate stupidity. How can one sane man judge orb for a racist based on these screenshots. An Idiot? Yeah, that seems to fit, but not a racist. Narrow-minded people seem to need a target to throw their morals at. I wish people would wake up and see how racism/sexism really works. It`s not the people that make stupid comments, who make it hard for certain groups, it`s the people that smile in your face, but literally throw stones in the way of gays, women, blacks, atheist, muslims or whatever. Huge difference! Let me tell you something. One of my best friends is actually gay and my hetero friends and me used to make some jokes about gay stuff for years. Yeah that seems stupid, but my gay friend didn`t mind and joked back. If he would have a problem with it, we wouldn`t have done. But you know what? I love that guy and so do my other friends. I am pretty sure that all of us would literally fight with and for him, if some stupid fucks would harras him for being gay. Words and actions are not always the same and people should learn the fucking difference. I know this whole topic is very hot and I too am very emotional about it, so I want to apologize for some bad words. But it angers and depresses me, that some people act like the morality police, but than do way worse stuff, when they participate in actions to destroy someones life and get him fired. Use your energy for better things! So your friend would approve if you go to someone who pisses you off and call him "stupid faggot" with the full intension to insult him as hard as you can? Because if he doesnt, your whole posting is pointless. He did not joke. He actually said he tried to use the biggest insult he could think of. Speaks for itself, does it not? | ||
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MaNaVoId
492 Posts
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Ezelios
148 Posts
At the same time, the leeway, IdrA is given regarding his so-called "personality" is nothing I'm comfortable with. Even so, doesn't make Orb's behaviour right. | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:08 Zaros wrote: Not really im saying removing homophobic and racist language would be a big plus to raising esports awareness and acceptance socially, is that a hard point to understand? Half true. It seems only the racists language needs to be removed and not homophobic. Idra uses 'faggot' 'fag' and 'gay' all the time and EG loves him.  Money talks I guess. | ||
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mccready
Germany12 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:12 zul wrote: I hate stupidity. How can one sane man judge orb for a racist based on these screenshots. An Idiot? Yeah, that seems to fit, but not a racist. You pretty much show how racism works, thank you. | ||
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TheCrusader
United States2 Posts
Given the absolute immaturity of the Internet, especially in video game communities, it is often not the safest practice to declare oneself openly gay or even stick up for homosexual individuals, so the fact that there was not the same outrage over destiny and Idra's comments should not be surprising to anyone; even though their language is just as, if not more hurtful. I can't comment on whether the decision to let Orb go is correct or not, but I can point out the hypocrisy of making this decision in lieu of employing a person who routinely makes/made homophobic remarks. Then again, I guess this all comes down to the fact that EG sells shirts with Greg's face on them and did not do the same for Orb. | ||
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vasculaR
Malaysia791 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:08 Zaros wrote: Not really im saying removing homophobic and racist language would be a big plus to raising esports awareness and acceptance socially, is that a hard point to understand? More people should listen to this guy. | ||
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INTOtheVOID
United States225 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:18 MaNaVoId wrote: Dick move from EG for holding double standards. Idra has been BMing and using the words faggots , idiots, joke, fuck, all day long in his stream? how is it fair that what idra gets is only some scoldings while orb get fired straight away? Because Idra makes them money. That's all it comes down to. | ||
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DeuceStarcraft
Canada60 Posts
Thanks for the very well written post. I agree that more people should be harsh against offensive terms and slang like 'gay' or 'faggot' being used as general 'insult's. The starcraft community IS one of maturity, and these actions don't do anything to help us, they only hinder our progression. Thanks again, this was a pleasure to read. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On March 09 2012 22:19 Vorenius wrote: Half true. It seems only the racists language needs to be removed and not homophobic. Idra uses 'faggot' 'fag' and 'gay' all the time and EG loves him. Money talks I guess. Money does talk yes but as i said in my starcraft metaphor he is being punished for it bit by bit. | ||
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