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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources. In short, be smart. Alex comments on Idra: Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST |
I wish I was rich, I would sponsor Orb for team nigger. Haters gonna hate!
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On March 09 2012 21:05 Ballistixz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 20:56 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 20:54 Ballistixz wrote:
whats really sad about all of this aswell is that orb had GREAT casting skills and the potential to get better. give him like a year or so in casting and he could have been one of the top casting archons IMO. the sad part is that potential will probally never come to fruition now because of a bunch of white knights feel the need burn someone alive for one mistake they did in there past. THAT is what is really killing Esports. the kid had talent as a caster, and you people take that away just because of something that happened over a year ago? like really?
this thread has honestly enrage me alot and i am on the virge of just leaving the community altogether. its sickening the lengths people will go to start drama just because of a silly word they dont like.
orb if you are reading this thread, which im sure you are, then dont beat yourself up over this. its just another example of how the community is stabbing themselves in the foot by starting stupid drama like this. people just cant let things go and its so fucking sad. why should we "let it go" i think the community did a good thing in the last couple of days, showing that racism and homophobia are completely unacceptable and hold our public figures to a higher standard of proffesionalism is a good thing in my opinion, i really dont understand how people can think its bad. no they did not. the community did a ignorant thing. YOU DO NOT KNOW THE GUY. you just assumed he was racist because of one screen shot from over a year ago. i bet 90% of the ppl in this thread do not even watch orbs stream regularly. the guy isnt racist and he has said NUMEROUS times (well before EG even knew he existed) that he wasnt racist and said he has black friends if im not mistaken. that is why its bad. you people do not know the guy and just jump to conclusions and assumptions purely to start drama. so yes its bad, because you deemed someone as racist when they are not racist. you accused someone as being a witch and burned them at the stake when in fact they are not a witch. thats why people, like you, dissapoint me because all you can do is jump to assumptions and conclusions based on small facts. doesnt matter if you know the guy or not, he said a word you dont like and he deserves to burn for it. so sad and so very ignorant.
I dont care if he is not a racist, using racist and homophobic language is not acceptable and by definition bassically makes you a racist or a homophobe. I couldnt care less if he is a nice guy, he is a public figure and should be held to account.
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Wow, people are dumb.
I really don't know what to say to respond to 88 pages of 90% idiocy. Great double standard there, btw, Mr EG. Look at other certain members of your roster if you take those "abhorrent" words so seriously. Maybe we should all start a crusade to get them ruined too!
Infact...let's start a crusade to permanently ban everyone who uses any profanity as well, because I find those words extremely offensive! Oh, and don't just ban them from TL, Starcraft, or anything so petty; Call their ISP, I'm sure you can get them blacklisted with the right story.
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On March 09 2012 21:09 Audemed wrote:
Wow, people are dumb.
I really don't know what to say to respond to 88 pages of 90% idiocy. Great double standard there, btw, Mr EG. Look at other certain members of your roster if you take those "abhorrent" words so seriously. Maybe we should all start a crusade to get them ruined too!
Infact...let's start a crusade to permanently ban everyone who uses any profanity as well, because I find those words extremely offensive! Oh, and don't just ban them from TL, Starcraft, or anything so petty; Call their ISP, I'm sure you can get them blacklisted with the right story.
The irony is strong with this one.
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On March 09 2012 21:07 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 21:05 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 20:56 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 20:54 Ballistixz wrote:
whats really sad about all of this aswell is that orb had GREAT casting skills and the potential to get better. give him like a year or so in casting and he could have been one of the top casting archons IMO. the sad part is that potential will probally never come to fruition now because of a bunch of white knights feel the need burn someone alive for one mistake they did in there past. THAT is what is really killing Esports. the kid had talent as a caster, and you people take that away just because of something that happened over a year ago? like really?
this thread has honestly enrage me alot and i am on the virge of just leaving the community altogether. its sickening the lengths people will go to start drama just because of a silly word they dont like.
orb if you are reading this thread, which im sure you are, then dont beat yourself up over this. its just another example of how the community is stabbing themselves in the foot by starting stupid drama like this. people just cant let things go and its so fucking sad. why should we "let it go" i think the community did a good thing in the last couple of days, showing that racism and homophobia are completely unacceptable and hold our public figures to a higher standard of proffesionalism is a good thing in my opinion, i really dont understand how people can think its bad. no they did not. the community did a ignorant thing. YOU DO NOT KNOW THE GUY. you just assumed he was racist because of one screen shot from over a year ago. i bet 90% of the ppl in this thread do not even watch orbs stream regularly. the guy isnt racist and he has said NUMEROUS times (well before EG even knew he existed) that he wasnt racist and said he has black friends if im not mistaken. that is why its bad. you people do not know the guy and just jump to conclusions and assumptions purely to start drama. so yes its bad, because you deemed someone as racist when they are not racist. you accused someone as being a witch and burned them at the stake when in fact they are not a witch. thats why people, like you, dissapoint me because all you can do is jump to assumptions and conclusions based on small facts. doesnt matter if you know the guy or not, he said a word you dont like and he deserves to burn for it. so sad and so very ignorant. I dont care if he is not a racist, using racist and homophobic language is not acceptable and by definition bassically makes you a racist or a homophobe. I couldnt care less if he is a nice guy, he is a public figure and should be held to account.
and idra is not? how about destiny? idra has used the word fag many time and said more offensive things than i can count. but he is still on EG, and do you know why? cuz idra makes EG money and since he makes them money that makes it ok. do you not find anything wrong or cynical or corrupted about that? because i do. i dont care if idra does make EG money, he is still one of the most offensive pro players in the community and that does not justify his actions at all.
destiny is not a member of EG, but HE IS a figure in the community. the guy went as far as to sexually harass a porn star (mia rose) LIVE on stream while he was drunk by grabbing her boobs numerous times. compared to what idra and destiny has done, orb is VERY tamed, especially since he only said the word once and it was over a year ago for fucks sake.
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Amazingly written. Agree 100%.
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While I think we should be shunning people like Orb who BM within the community, I don't think it should be because of a word. I find people being offended by single words to have low moral character. So one one hand I don't see this as an overreaction to bad manner, on the other hand the reason given I feel is simply unacceptable.
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On March 09 2012 21:07 gold_ wrote:
I wish I was rich, I would sponsor Orb for team nigger. Haters gonna hate!
nice dude, really classy
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Since Orb called someone a nigger over the internet and had no clue of the opponents skin colour, he used it as a basic curse word. Idra curses all the time, is Idra being dismissed from EG? Well EG is gonna look funny in there new team jersey, a dress.
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money talks, bullshit walks =D
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A very well written statement Mr Garfield. You seem to have a healthy view on the matter and have taken appropriate actions. Jake knew very well what he was saying even if it was months ago or a year ago. You simply do not use words like that at all, but especially if you consider being a "public" person.
I have new found respect for EG as an organazation and will mail your sponsors and tell them this.
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On March 09 2012 21:12 Ballistixz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 21:07 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 21:05 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 20:56 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 20:54 Ballistixz wrote:
whats really sad about all of this aswell is that orb had GREAT casting skills and the potential to get better. give him like a year or so in casting and he could have been one of the top casting archons IMO. the sad part is that potential will probally never come to fruition now because of a bunch of white knights feel the need burn someone alive for one mistake they did in there past. THAT is what is really killing Esports. the kid had talent as a caster, and you people take that away just because of something that happened over a year ago? like really?
this thread has honestly enrage me alot and i am on the virge of just leaving the community altogether. its sickening the lengths people will go to start drama just because of a silly word they dont like.
orb if you are reading this thread, which im sure you are, then dont beat yourself up over this. its just another example of how the community is stabbing themselves in the foot by starting stupid drama like this. people just cant let things go and its so fucking sad. why should we "let it go" i think the community did a good thing in the last couple of days, showing that racism and homophobia are completely unacceptable and hold our public figures to a higher standard of proffesionalism is a good thing in my opinion, i really dont understand how people can think its bad. no they did not. the community did a ignorant thing. YOU DO NOT KNOW THE GUY. you just assumed he was racist because of one screen shot from over a year ago. i bet 90% of the ppl in this thread do not even watch orbs stream regularly. the guy isnt racist and he has said NUMEROUS times (well before EG even knew he existed) that he wasnt racist and said he has black friends if im not mistaken. that is why its bad. you people do not know the guy and just jump to conclusions and assumptions purely to start drama. so yes its bad, because you deemed someone as racist when they are not racist. you accused someone as being a witch and burned them at the stake when in fact they are not a witch. thats why people, like you, dissapoint me because all you can do is jump to assumptions and conclusions based on small facts. doesnt matter if you know the guy or not, he said a word you dont like and he deserves to burn for it. so sad and so very ignorant. I dont care if he is not a racist, using racist and homophobic language is not acceptable and by definition bassically makes you a racist or a homophobe. I couldnt care less if he is a nice guy, he is a public figure and should be held to account. and idra is not? how about destiny? idra has used the word fag many time and said more offensive things than i can count. but he is still on EG, and do you know why? cuz idra makes EG money and since he makes them money that makes it ok. do you not find anything wrong or cynical or corrupted about that? because i do. destiny is not a member of EG, but HE IS a figure in the community. the guy went as far as to sexually harass a porn star (mia rose) LIVE on stream while he was drunk by grabbing her boobs numerous times. compared to what idra and destiny has done, orb is VERY tamed, especially since he only said the word once and it was over a year ago for fucks sake.
ive covered this before, i think its unrealistic for idra to be fired he is worth 100x more than orb to EG and has gotten better recently in regards to homophobic language. If he uses the language i will say its unacceptable but i understand how business works and EG would be throwing away money if they fired idra. With regards to destiny he mostly supports himself from what i understand so he doesnt have much to lose but I will also say any racist homophobic language he uses is also unacceptable.
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Really disappointed with the people that feel the need to messeging the sponsors of Eg without giving them time to respond to this issue.
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I'm annoyed by so much of the community praising this situation, saying how Orb dug his own grave, is an idiot etc etc.
You guys are pricks. If you ever lose your dreamjob because some dumb shit you wrote on facebook a few years earlier, you have NO right to complain.
Understanding EGs decision is fine, but thinking it's OK to fire someone for something they did online in the past? WTF?
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On March 09 2012 21:16 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 21:12 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 21:07 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 21:05 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 20:56 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 20:54 Ballistixz wrote:
whats really sad about all of this aswell is that orb had GREAT casting skills and the potential to get better. give him like a year or so in casting and he could have been one of the top casting archons IMO. the sad part is that potential will probally never come to fruition now because of a bunch of white knights feel the need burn someone alive for one mistake they did in there past. THAT is what is really killing Esports. the kid had talent as a caster, and you people take that away just because of something that happened over a year ago? like really?
this thread has honestly enrage me alot and i am on the virge of just leaving the community altogether. its sickening the lengths people will go to start drama just because of a silly word they dont like.
orb if you are reading this thread, which im sure you are, then dont beat yourself up over this. its just another example of how the community is stabbing themselves in the foot by starting stupid drama like this. people just cant let things go and its so fucking sad. why should we "let it go" i think the community did a good thing in the last couple of days, showing that racism and homophobia are completely unacceptable and hold our public figures to a higher standard of proffesionalism is a good thing in my opinion, i really dont understand how people can think its bad. no they did not. the community did a ignorant thing. YOU DO NOT KNOW THE GUY. you just assumed he was racist because of one screen shot from over a year ago. i bet 90% of the ppl in this thread do not even watch orbs stream regularly. the guy isnt racist and he has said NUMEROUS times (well before EG even knew he existed) that he wasnt racist and said he has black friends if im not mistaken. that is why its bad. you people do not know the guy and just jump to conclusions and assumptions purely to start drama. so yes its bad, because you deemed someone as racist when they are not racist. you accused someone as being a witch and burned them at the stake when in fact they are not a witch. thats why people, like you, dissapoint me because all you can do is jump to assumptions and conclusions based on small facts. doesnt matter if you know the guy or not, he said a word you dont like and he deserves to burn for it. so sad and so very ignorant. I dont care if he is not a racist, using racist and homophobic language is not acceptable and by definition bassically makes you a racist or a homophobe. I couldnt care less if he is a nice guy, he is a public figure and should be held to account. and idra is not? how about destiny? idra has used the word fag many time and said more offensive things than i can count. but he is still on EG, and do you know why? cuz idra makes EG money and since he makes them money that makes it ok. do you not find anything wrong or cynical or corrupted about that? because i do. destiny is not a member of EG, but HE IS a figure in the community. the guy went as far as to sexually harass a porn star (mia rose) LIVE on stream while he was drunk by grabbing her boobs numerous times. compared to what idra and destiny has done, orb is VERY tamed, especially since he only said the word once and it was over a year ago for fucks sake. ive covered this before, i think its unrealistic for idra to be fired he is worth 100x more than orb to EG and has gotten better recently in regards to homophobic language. If he uses the language i will say its unacceptable but i understand how business works and EG would be throwing away money if they fired idra. With regards to destiny he mostly supports himself from what i understand so he doesnt have much to lose but I will also say any racist homophobic language he uses is also unacceptable.
That's the point. "Herpaderp, that language is 100% unacceptable! Herp, unless they earn us money, then it's fine lolz"
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The problem with this theories is that ORB is caster... so he speaks and as no right to call nigger to anyone , not even black people... Players can insult who they want as long as they dont cross the line , they are not public speakers , they do what they need to do , PLAY ...
I never saw Artosis , Tasteless, Day9 , DJwheat , TotalBiscuit , Mrbitter and many others calling niggers to other people...
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On March 09 2012 21:17 Audemed wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 21:16 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 21:12 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 21:07 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 21:05 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 20:56 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 20:54 Ballistixz wrote:
whats really sad about all of this aswell is that orb had GREAT casting skills and the potential to get better. give him like a year or so in casting and he could have been one of the top casting archons IMO. the sad part is that potential will probally never come to fruition now because of a bunch of white knights feel the need burn someone alive for one mistake they did in there past. THAT is what is really killing Esports. the kid had talent as a caster, and you people take that away just because of something that happened over a year ago? like really?
this thread has honestly enrage me alot and i am on the virge of just leaving the community altogether. its sickening the lengths people will go to start drama just because of a silly word they dont like.
orb if you are reading this thread, which im sure you are, then dont beat yourself up over this. its just another example of how the community is stabbing themselves in the foot by starting stupid drama like this. people just cant let things go and its so fucking sad. why should we "let it go" i think the community did a good thing in the last couple of days, showing that racism and homophobia are completely unacceptable and hold our public figures to a higher standard of proffesionalism is a good thing in my opinion, i really dont understand how people can think its bad. no they did not. the community did a ignorant thing. YOU DO NOT KNOW THE GUY. you just assumed he was racist because of one screen shot from over a year ago. i bet 90% of the ppl in this thread do not even watch orbs stream regularly. the guy isnt racist and he has said NUMEROUS times (well before EG even knew he existed) that he wasnt racist and said he has black friends if im not mistaken. that is why its bad. you people do not know the guy and just jump to conclusions and assumptions purely to start drama. so yes its bad, because you deemed someone as racist when they are not racist. you accused someone as being a witch and burned them at the stake when in fact they are not a witch. thats why people, like you, dissapoint me because all you can do is jump to assumptions and conclusions based on small facts. doesnt matter if you know the guy or not, he said a word you dont like and he deserves to burn for it. so sad and so very ignorant. I dont care if he is not a racist, using racist and homophobic language is not acceptable and by definition bassically makes you a racist or a homophobe. I couldnt care less if he is a nice guy, he is a public figure and should be held to account. and idra is not? how about destiny? idra has used the word fag many time and said more offensive things than i can count. but he is still on EG, and do you know why? cuz idra makes EG money and since he makes them money that makes it ok. do you not find anything wrong or cynical or corrupted about that? because i do. destiny is not a member of EG, but HE IS a figure in the community. the guy went as far as to sexually harass a porn star (mia rose) LIVE on stream while he was drunk by grabbing her boobs numerous times. compared to what idra and destiny has done, orb is VERY tamed, especially since he only said the word once and it was over a year ago for fucks sake. ive covered this before, i think its unrealistic for idra to be fired he is worth 100x more than orb to EG and has gotten better recently in regards to homophobic language. If he uses the language i will say its unacceptable but i understand how business works and EG would be throwing away money if they fired idra. With regards to destiny he mostly supports himself from what i understand so he doesnt have much to lose but I will also say any racist homophobic language he uses is also unacceptable. That's the point. "Herpaderp, that language is 100% unacceptable! Herp, unless they earn us money, then it's fine lolz"
oh god your a moron, its still unacceptable for idra to use the language and I will stil tweet and angry post about them but it is completely unrealistic for EG to fire idra, idra also doesnt deny what he has said and is making an effort to improve which i can appreciate.
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Now stop that spyware BG link shit and I am totally happy 
Btw, I find it an overreaction imo, but he could've expected it because some ppl just dont respect it, and will complain badly about it.
Gl orb
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On March 09 2012 21:19 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 21:17 Audemed wrote:On March 09 2012 21:16 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 21:12 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 21:07 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 21:05 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 20:56 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 20:54 Ballistixz wrote:
whats really sad about all of this aswell is that orb had GREAT casting skills and the potential to get better. give him like a year or so in casting and he could have been one of the top casting archons IMO. the sad part is that potential will probally never come to fruition now because of a bunch of white knights feel the need burn someone alive for one mistake they did in there past. THAT is what is really killing Esports. the kid had talent as a caster, and you people take that away just because of something that happened over a year ago? like really?
this thread has honestly enrage me alot and i am on the virge of just leaving the community altogether. its sickening the lengths people will go to start drama just because of a silly word they dont like.
orb if you are reading this thread, which im sure you are, then dont beat yourself up over this. its just another example of how the community is stabbing themselves in the foot by starting stupid drama like this. people just cant let things go and its so fucking sad. why should we "let it go" i think the community did a good thing in the last couple of days, showing that racism and homophobia are completely unacceptable and hold our public figures to a higher standard of proffesionalism is a good thing in my opinion, i really dont understand how people can think its bad. no they did not. the community did a ignorant thing. YOU DO NOT KNOW THE GUY. you just assumed he was racist because of one screen shot from over a year ago. i bet 90% of the ppl in this thread do not even watch orbs stream regularly. the guy isnt racist and he has said NUMEROUS times (well before EG even knew he existed) that he wasnt racist and said he has black friends if im not mistaken. that is why its bad. you people do not know the guy and just jump to conclusions and assumptions purely to start drama. so yes its bad, because you deemed someone as racist when they are not racist. you accused someone as being a witch and burned them at the stake when in fact they are not a witch. thats why people, like you, dissapoint me because all you can do is jump to assumptions and conclusions based on small facts. doesnt matter if you know the guy or not, he said a word you dont like and he deserves to burn for it. so sad and so very ignorant. I dont care if he is not a racist, using racist and homophobic language is not acceptable and by definition bassically makes you a racist or a homophobe. I couldnt care less if he is a nice guy, he is a public figure and should be held to account. and idra is not? how about destiny? idra has used the word fag many time and said more offensive things than i can count. but he is still on EG, and do you know why? cuz idra makes EG money and since he makes them money that makes it ok. do you not find anything wrong or cynical or corrupted about that? because i do. destiny is not a member of EG, but HE IS a figure in the community. the guy went as far as to sexually harass a porn star (mia rose) LIVE on stream while he was drunk by grabbing her boobs numerous times. compared to what idra and destiny has done, orb is VERY tamed, especially since he only said the word once and it was over a year ago for fucks sake. ive covered this before, i think its unrealistic for idra to be fired he is worth 100x more than orb to EG and has gotten better recently in regards to homophobic language. If he uses the language i will say its unacceptable but i understand how business works and EG would be throwing away money if they fired idra. With regards to destiny he mostly supports himself from what i understand so he doesnt have much to lose but I will also say any racist homophobic language he uses is also unacceptable. That's the point. "Herpaderp, that language is 100% unacceptable! Herp, unless they earn us money, then it's fine lolz" oh god your a moron, its still unacceptable for idra to use the language and I will stil tweet and angry post about them but it is completely unrealistic for EG to fire idra, idra also doesnt deny what he has said and is making an effort to improve which i can appreciate.
"Zero tolerance" (another way of saying 100% unacceptable) means termination on a single offense. It's not "Zero Tolerance" when someone gets away with it cause they make more money. Double standard, good sir.
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