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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources. In short, be smart. Alex comments on Idra: Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST |
what's done is done I suppose.
Though I think it is a bit too harsh and the community is a bit too strong willed against new members' mistake.
Not sure if this is really going to be good in the long term
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On March 09 2012 21:27 AnalThermometer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 20:43 oBlade wrote:On March 09 2012 20:39 AnalThermometer wrote:On March 09 2012 20:23 oBlade wrote:On March 09 2012 20:22 AnalThermometer wrote:On March 09 2012 20:01 schI2ler wrote:
I am dissappointed by EG.
I am dissappointed by reddit.
I am dissappointed by the starcraft 2 community.
You did it. You did it again.
Your love of the drama, your "power" to hate, managed to destroy a career, once again.
While you sit at home and live your private lives, you want to be entertained. Let the gladiators of the public scene enter the arena and entertain us. And when we feel like ending there presence, we'll just hype the drama till the gladiator is dead.
Now please enter the next gladiator.
And what does the company do? they drop the gladiator. We don't need you, we won't fight for you, we won't help you. Next gladiator for the masses please!
On March 09 2012 20:04 Numy wrote:On March 09 2012 19:58 captive411 wrote:On March 09 2012 19:49 Merlimoo wrote:On March 09 2012 19:48 Numy wrote:On March 09 2012 19:46 Zeevo wrote:
Complete and utter disgust for the starcraft community. Who else's careers are you going to destroy? Yip, I don't really want to be a part of this community anymore. I was thinking the same thing. Good. The community clearly doesn't want people who condone the use of language by people like Orb and Destiny. The community doesn't need people like you that jump to conclusions without any thought involved. Do we condone this? No. Do we think the community overreacted and hurt a guys career for a mistake he did in the past? Yes. It's even funnier that you insult me when I'm from a place just recently had apartheid. Really now do you want to go down this road? People must jump off their high horses and realise mistakes happen. Saying a racial slur in anger is a mistake, overreacting like this is another mistake. Both sides lose here there is nothing to gain. It's not as if Orb was going around beating up and subjugating black individuals. Grow up people. I find it amazing the lengths people want to go to avoid "drama". Let the players and casters call people all kinds of slurs - just as long as we don't pick them up on it because it might cause DRAMA>?!? "Both sides lose here there is nothing to gain" <- I mean, what? The SC2 community improves its reputation by excluding people who throw around racist terms. To be taken seriously the community needs to meet certain standards which includes not calling people niggers. If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him. The most honest of men would have stripped himself of his ego and see each person on their merits, as equals. He wouldn't need to ever use the term nigger. Are black people who dislike orb using "nigger" appealing for a less honest society? You are attempting to intellectualize racism, please don't do it. Equating racism with a frustrated guy blurting out a word on the ladder belittles actual discrimination and injustices while at the same time putting restrictions on what other people can say, which is frankly none of our business. Calling someone a nigger is actual discrimination, but I don't think you believe what you're typing. There are all kinds of restrictions on speech, and even if you called a white guy a nigger you would get kicked out a private building, or cut off from the radio, or fired from your job, etc. whether said in anger or not, and you know that. This is partly because it reflects badly on those who condone it, this also applies to a community condoning racism making everyone else look bad. Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 21:09 Audemed wrote:
Wow, people are dumb.
I really don't know what to say to respond to 88 pages of 90% idiocy. Great double standard there, btw, Mr EG. Look at other certain members of your roster if you take those "abhorrent" words so seriously. Maybe we should all start a crusade to get them ruined too!
Infact...let's start a crusade to permanently ban everyone who uses any profanity as well, because I find those words extremely offensive! Oh, and don't just ban them from TL, Starcraft, or anything so petty; Call their ISP, I'm sure you can get them blacklisted with the right story. How about we start a crusade to remove TV and Radio hosts (for which orb is an SC2 equivalent) who use sexist, racist, and homophobe remarks from their position? Oh, wait, that's not called a crusade, it's called having some decency. Hell, perhaps more people in the Starcraft community accept the Rush Limbaugh types than I thought.
Since you're dumb, I'll highlight it for you.
The actions for which he was fired were not conducted while on EG's payroll, let alone in an official capacity.
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Well I'm glad he's out.
I cannot even fathom that he kept up with this childish ladder-raging while casting "profesionally" at the same time. I mean I don't follow the NASL a lot, but when I saw Orb casting I thought "Orb? Well his BNet rage is a thing of the past now I guess."
But it's not? Seriously?
If you want to tell me, he just didn't realize that there's something wrong with it and thus never tried to actively stop that crap then there's something wrong with his attidude in my opinion.
I don't think EG has any other choice but getting rid of him really.
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On March 09 2012 21:26 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 21:22 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 21:16 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 21:12 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 21:07 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 21:05 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 20:56 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 20:54 Ballistixz wrote:
whats really sad about all of this aswell is that orb had GREAT casting skills and the potential to get better. give him like a year or so in casting and he could have been one of the top casting archons IMO. the sad part is that potential will probally never come to fruition now because of a bunch of white knights feel the need burn someone alive for one mistake they did in there past. THAT is what is really killing Esports. the kid had talent as a caster, and you people take that away just because of something that happened over a year ago? like really?
this thread has honestly enrage me alot and i am on the virge of just leaving the community altogether. its sickening the lengths people will go to start drama just because of a silly word they dont like.
orb if you are reading this thread, which im sure you are, then dont beat yourself up over this. its just another example of how the community is stabbing themselves in the foot by starting stupid drama like this. people just cant let things go and its so fucking sad. why should we "let it go" i think the community did a good thing in the last couple of days, showing that racism and homophobia are completely unacceptable and hold our public figures to a higher standard of proffesionalism is a good thing in my opinion, i really dont understand how people can think its bad. no they did not. the community did a ignorant thing. YOU DO NOT KNOW THE GUY. you just assumed he was racist because of one screen shot from over a year ago. i bet 90% of the ppl in this thread do not even watch orbs stream regularly. the guy isnt racist and he has said NUMEROUS times (well before EG even knew he existed) that he wasnt racist and said he has black friends if im not mistaken. that is why its bad. you people do not know the guy and just jump to conclusions and assumptions purely to start drama. so yes its bad, because you deemed someone as racist when they are not racist. you accused someone as being a witch and burned them at the stake when in fact they are not a witch. thats why people, like you, dissapoint me because all you can do is jump to assumptions and conclusions based on small facts. doesnt matter if you know the guy or not, he said a word you dont like and he deserves to burn for it. so sad and so very ignorant. I dont care if he is not a racist, using racist and homophobic language is not acceptable and by definition bassically makes you a racist or a homophobe. I couldnt care less if he is a nice guy, he is a public figure and should be held to account. and idra is not? how about destiny? idra has used the word fag many time and said more offensive things than i can count. but he is still on EG, and do you know why? cuz idra makes EG money and since he makes them money that makes it ok. do you not find anything wrong or cynical or corrupted about that? because i do. destiny is not a member of EG, but HE IS a figure in the community. the guy went as far as to sexually harass a porn star (mia rose) LIVE on stream while he was drunk by grabbing her boobs numerous times. compared to what idra and destiny has done, orb is VERY tamed, especially since he only said the word once and it was over a year ago for fucks sake. ive covered this before, i think its unrealistic for idra to be fired he is worth 100x more than orb to EG and has gotten better recently in regards to homophobic language. If he uses the language i will say its unacceptable but i understand how business works and EG would be throwing away money if they fired idra. With regards to destiny he mostly supports himself from what i understand so he doesnt have much to lose but I will also say any racist homophobic language he uses is also unacceptable. it doesnt fucking matter how much he is worth. that is what is angering me so much. are you really going to put a price on these guys? do you know how BAD that looks for them? for YEARS idra has been offensive and BM to many, MANY people. and for YEARS he only gets slaped on the wrist. now all of a sudden you feel the need to burn someone alive for 1 silly mistake that he rarely ever makes? do you see a connection here? idra calls someone a faggot people laugh there ass off, orb, who is worth nothing, calles someone a faggot and gets burned alive for his blaphesmy.. do you not see something wrong with that picture? do you not see how bad that looks for EG and Esports as a whole? you have one person being offensive and its acceptable and another person being chewed out for ONE thing that happened over a year ago. if you look at the picure as a whole then you will see that orb has been no where near as offensive as other top pros. this incident happened over a year ago. orb has been more tamed and mellowed out alot more over the last few months WAY before idra. when orb was mellowing out idra was still BMing hardcore. As ive said many times before I PERSONALLY WILL STILL BACKLASH ON IDRA, however i do not control EG policy and am not stupid like many people in this thread and understand that he is not going to get fired, but he does get punished by EG and i have to accept that.
cool, you can accept that (go figure). but you can accept a guys dreams and hopes being utterly crushed because of a stupid mistake? a mistake he has done before EG even knew he existed? a mistake that idra has made NUMEROUS times and while representing EG and commentating and has only got a slap on the wrist? sorry, i cant condone that. give orb a second chance at least instead of throw him away because he is worth nothing. that is just utterly disgusting. i cannot and WILL NOT respect a company like that.
orb deserves a second chance considering the situation.
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On March 09 2012 21:23 Eurekastreet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 21:07 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 21:05 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 20:56 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 20:54 Ballistixz wrote:
whats really sad about all of this aswell is that orb had GREAT casting skills and the potential to get better. give him like a year or so in casting and he could have been one of the top casting archons IMO. the sad part is that potential will probally never come to fruition now because of a bunch of white knights feel the need burn someone alive for one mistake they did in there past. THAT is what is really killing Esports. the kid had talent as a caster, and you people take that away just because of something that happened over a year ago? like really?
this thread has honestly enrage me alot and i am on the virge of just leaving the community altogether. its sickening the lengths people will go to start drama just because of a silly word they dont like.
orb if you are reading this thread, which im sure you are, then dont beat yourself up over this. its just another example of how the community is stabbing themselves in the foot by starting stupid drama like this. people just cant let things go and its so fucking sad. why should we "let it go" i think the community did a good thing in the last couple of days, showing that racism and homophobia are completely unacceptable and hold our public figures to a higher standard of proffesionalism is a good thing in my opinion, i really dont understand how people can think its bad. no they did not. the community did a ignorant thing. YOU DO NOT KNOW THE GUY. you just assumed he was racist because of one screen shot from over a year ago. i bet 90% of the ppl in this thread do not even watch orbs stream regularly. the guy isnt racist and he has said NUMEROUS times (well before EG even knew he existed) that he wasnt racist and said he has black friends if im not mistaken. that is why its bad. you people do not know the guy and just jump to conclusions and assumptions purely to start drama. so yes its bad, because you deemed someone as racist when they are not racist. you accused someone as being a witch and burned them at the stake when in fact they are not a witch. thats why people, like you, dissapoint me because all you can do is jump to assumptions and conclusions based on small facts. doesnt matter if you know the guy or not, he said a word you dont like and he deserves to burn for it. so sad and so very ignorant. I dont care if he is not a racist, using racist and homophobic language is not acceptable and by definition bassically makes you a racist or a homophobe. I couldnt care less if he is a nice guy, he is a public figure and should be held to account. Totally logic, using racist language makes you a racist. Just like reading Marx makes you a communist.and playing a Wagner concerto with a flute makes you a nazi.
Using racist language makes you a racist, reading Marx makes you a reader of books, playing the flute makes you a flutist. Do you think that a defining aspect of Marxism is reading and Nazism playing the flute?
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On March 09 2012 21:21 zuperketla wrote:
orb is a CASTER - idra is a PLAYER. 2 very very different roles. As a caster you are public speaker. u dont act like a moron like orb does when he streams/plays.
When orb is casting, hes professional, never makes incendiary comments. He does his job professionally. When Idra is playing, he calls people faggots despite playing being his job. Orb only BM's when he's PLAYING, just like Idra, and to much smaller audience.
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What a well formulated and intelligent response to this drama!
Even though its sad to see orb loose his position so fast i feel like it's the right choice
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On March 09 2012 21:13 ComusLoM wrote:
While I think we should be shunning people like orb who BM within the community, I don't think it should be because of a word
If we shunned people for that reason, there would be no foreign Starcraft.
By the way, many millenia ago, one very prominent and respected foreign player (both then and now) called one very famous and very manly Korean progamer a "fag" during an online game.
I'm not going to say who it was (not IdrA btw), because I don't want to get his name involved and because there are obviously some very crazy people with crazy ideas in the community these days.
It's very interesting however to see the difference in how that incident was received on TL back then compared to how it would be received these days. And when I say interesting, I mean the difference is pretty fucking scary. I certainly wouldn't call TL community a more mature one now than it was when that happened, and I think most people would agree.
If every team operated like EG, that player and probably many others would now be teamless.
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On March 09 2012 21:24 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 21:23 Eurekastreet wrote:On March 09 2012 21:07 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 21:05 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 20:56 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 20:54 Ballistixz wrote:
whats really sad about all of this aswell is that orb had GREAT casting skills and the potential to get better. give him like a year or so in casting and he could have been one of the top casting archons IMO. the sad part is that potential will probally never come to fruition now because of a bunch of white knights feel the need burn someone alive for one mistake they did in there past. THAT is what is really killing Esports. the kid had talent as a caster, and you people take that away just because of something that happened over a year ago? like really?
this thread has honestly enrage me alot and i am on the virge of just leaving the community altogether. its sickening the lengths people will go to start drama just because of a silly word they dont like.
orb if you are reading this thread, which im sure you are, then dont beat yourself up over this. its just another example of how the community is stabbing themselves in the foot by starting stupid drama like this. people just cant let things go and its so fucking sad. why should we "let it go" i think the community did a good thing in the last couple of days, showing that racism and homophobia are completely unacceptable and hold our public figures to a higher standard of proffesionalism is a good thing in my opinion, i really dont understand how people can think its bad. no they did not. the community did a ignorant thing. YOU DO NOT KNOW THE GUY. you just assumed he was racist because of one screen shot from over a year ago. i bet 90% of the ppl in this thread do not even watch orbs stream regularly. the guy isnt racist and he has said NUMEROUS times (well before EG even knew he existed) that he wasnt racist and said he has black friends if im not mistaken. that is why its bad. you people do not know the guy and just jump to conclusions and assumptions purely to start drama. so yes its bad, because you deemed someone as racist when they are not racist. you accused someone as being a witch and burned them at the stake when in fact they are not a witch. thats why people, like you, dissapoint me because all you can do is jump to assumptions and conclusions based on small facts. doesnt matter if you know the guy or not, he said a word you dont like and he deserves to burn for it. so sad and so very ignorant. I dont care if he is not a racist, using racist and homophobic language is not acceptable and by definition bassically makes you a racist or a homophobe. I couldnt care less if he is a nice guy, he is a public figure and should be held to account. Totally logic, using racist language makes you a racist. Just like reading Marx makes you a communist.and playing a Wagner concerto with a flute makes you a nazi. reading marx doesnt make you a communist but preaching marxs does..., if orb reads the word nigger or if i read it im not a racist so your making a stupid nonsensicle point.
Whereas yours was overtly subtle and full of nuances.
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I sense a lot of white people are very pleased with this decision.
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My time observing the Starcraft phenomenon developing is throwing up some really interesting things about the internet and how online personas are evolving. It's quite amazing how powerful the mob mentality can be (it's the second commentator to be fired in the last few weeks due to community reaction), and I can't decide if it's a good thing or not.
In this case it's quite eye opening as I feel so many people hide behind the anonymity of sitting in their room on the Internet, and in this case someone who did that and spewed racial crap and hatred while doing it got found out and lost his privileged position in public. It sends a strong message but will it really make people think about what they type? It might make some people that's for sure.
Anyway, all that to say it's very interesting the way online social dynamics are evolving and how powerful online communities can be. I'm glad we have a moral compass even if it's a bit mob like. Hopefully from this we can evolve a bit now that this precedent has been set.
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Is mob mentality EVER good?
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I don't think this decision does any good neither to EG, orb or the community.
Punishing someone so harsly for something I consider merely a immature young-person mistake.
Orb though talented - his route to his dreams may have been shattered because of decision like this.
You see you may have not only ruined his opportunity but also put an overweight emotional trauma on person.
EG is just afraid for their PR and as I see it from my own experience, when people are overly interested in their own "image" they actually ruin it.
It is the common mistake of doing things too safe - thus never taking even a slight risk that will result in not moving forward, stagnating in your "safe zone".
Anyway I like team EG, so good luck...
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On March 09 2012 21:29 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 21:26 tofucake wrote:On March 09 2012 21:19 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 21:17 Audemed wrote:On March 09 2012 21:16 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 21:12 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 21:07 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 21:05 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 20:56 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 20:54 Ballistixz wrote:
whats really sad about all of this aswell is that orb had GREAT casting skills and the potential to get better. give him like a year or so in casting and he could have been one of the top casting archons IMO. the sad part is that potential will probally never come to fruition now because of a bunch of white knights feel the need burn someone alive for one mistake they did in there past. THAT is what is really killing Esports. the kid had talent as a caster, and you people take that away just because of something that happened over a year ago? like really?
this thread has honestly enrage me alot and i am on the virge of just leaving the community altogether. its sickening the lengths people will go to start drama just because of a silly word they dont like.
orb if you are reading this thread, which im sure you are, then dont beat yourself up over this. its just another example of how the community is stabbing themselves in the foot by starting stupid drama like this. people just cant let things go and its so fucking sad. why should we "let it go" i think the community did a good thing in the last couple of days, showing that racism and homophobia are completely unacceptable and hold our public figures to a higher standard of proffesionalism is a good thing in my opinion, i really dont understand how people can think its bad. no they did not. the community did a ignorant thing. YOU DO NOT KNOW THE GUY. you just assumed he was racist because of one screen shot from over a year ago. i bet 90% of the ppl in this thread do not even watch orbs stream regularly. the guy isnt racist and he has said NUMEROUS times (well before EG even knew he existed) that he wasnt racist and said he has black friends if im not mistaken. that is why its bad. you people do not know the guy and just jump to conclusions and assumptions purely to start drama. so yes its bad, because you deemed someone as racist when they are not racist. you accused someone as being a witch and burned them at the stake when in fact they are not a witch. thats why people, like you, dissapoint me because all you can do is jump to assumptions and conclusions based on small facts. doesnt matter if you know the guy or not, he said a word you dont like and he deserves to burn for it. so sad and so very ignorant. I dont care if he is not a racist, using racist and homophobic language is not acceptable and by definition bassically makes you a racist or a homophobe. I couldnt care less if he is a nice guy, he is a public figure and should be held to account. and idra is not? how about destiny? idra has used the word fag many time and said more offensive things than i can count. but he is still on EG, and do you know why? cuz idra makes EG money and since he makes them money that makes it ok. do you not find anything wrong or cynical or corrupted about that? because i do. destiny is not a member of EG, but HE IS a figure in the community. the guy went as far as to sexually harass a porn star (mia rose) LIVE on stream while he was drunk by grabbing her boobs numerous times. compared to what idra and destiny has done, orb is VERY tamed, especially since he only said the word once and it was over a year ago for fucks sake. ive covered this before, i think its unrealistic for idra to be fired he is worth 100x more than orb to EG and has gotten better recently in regards to homophobic language. If he uses the language i will say its unacceptable but i understand how business works and EG would be throwing away money if they fired idra. With regards to destiny he mostly supports himself from what i understand so he doesnt have much to lose but I will also say any racist homophobic language he uses is also unacceptable. That's the point. "Herpaderp, that language is 100% unacceptable! Herp, unless they earn us money, then it's fine lolz" oh god your a moron, its still unacceptable for idra to use the language and I will stil tweet and angry post about them but it is completely unrealistic for EG to fire idra, idra also doesnt deny what he has said and is making an effort to improve which i can appreciate. The fact of the matter is that Idra has been reprimanded for saying faggot repeatedly, while on EG's payroll, and Orb fired for saying nigger a couple times while not on EG's payroll. Do people not realize that calling someone a faggot is saying "I think you're worth so little you should be burned alive"? While neither insult is excusable, nigger doesn't hold any more or less meaning than faggot. The reactions to these are sickeningly overboard. Honestly I'm disgusted and disappointed with everyone who partook in these events. Well seeing as im gay and am fighting more about homophobia here than racism i understand wht faggot means, orb also said faggot and he lied to EG but if you dont understand the economics of the situation then im fed up of explaining. First I wasn't responding to you entirely, I mostly wanted to take what you said and expand on it. Second, as far as I know or am concerned, Orb didn't lie to EG. You would know if he did, because Alex would have said something about it in his post, Orb would have admitted to it, and there would be more than circumstantial evidence. And the fact that nobody cares that Idra or Orb call people faggot furthers my point about everyone being an idiot about this.
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On March 09 2012 21:33 Nallen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 21:23 Eurekastreet wrote:On March 09 2012 21:07 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 21:05 Ballistixz wrote:On March 09 2012 20:56 Zaros wrote:On March 09 2012 20:54 Ballistixz wrote:
whats really sad about all of this aswell is that orb had GREAT casting skills and the potential to get better. give him like a year or so in casting and he could have been one of the top casting archons IMO. the sad part is that potential will probally never come to fruition now because of a bunch of white knights feel the need burn someone alive for one mistake they did in there past. THAT is what is really killing Esports. the kid had talent as a caster, and you people take that away just because of something that happened over a year ago? like really?
this thread has honestly enrage me alot and i am on the virge of just leaving the community altogether. its sickening the lengths people will go to start drama just because of a silly word they dont like.
orb if you are reading this thread, which im sure you are, then dont beat yourself up over this. its just another example of how the community is stabbing themselves in the foot by starting stupid drama like this. people just cant let things go and its so fucking sad. why should we "let it go" i think the community did a good thing in the last couple of days, showing that racism and homophobia are completely unacceptable and hold our public figures to a higher standard of proffesionalism is a good thing in my opinion, i really dont understand how people can think its bad. no they did not. the community did a ignorant thing. YOU DO NOT KNOW THE GUY. you just assumed he was racist because of one screen shot from over a year ago. i bet 90% of the ppl in this thread do not even watch orbs stream regularly. the guy isnt racist and he has said NUMEROUS times (well before EG even knew he existed) that he wasnt racist and said he has black friends if im not mistaken. that is why its bad. you people do not know the guy and just jump to conclusions and assumptions purely to start drama. so yes its bad, because you deemed someone as racist when they are not racist. you accused someone as being a witch and burned them at the stake when in fact they are not a witch. thats why people, like you, dissapoint me because all you can do is jump to assumptions and conclusions based on small facts. doesnt matter if you know the guy or not, he said a word you dont like and he deserves to burn for it. so sad and so very ignorant. I dont care if he is not a racist, using racist and homophobic language is not acceptable and by definition bassically makes you a racist or a homophobe. I couldnt care less if he is a nice guy, he is a public figure and should be held to account. Totally logic, using racist language makes you a racist. Just like reading Marx makes you a communist.and playing a Wagner concerto with a flute makes you a nazi. Using racist language makes you a racist, reading Marx makes you a reader of books, playing the flute makes you a flutist. Do you think that a defining aspect of Marxism is reading and Nazism playing the flute?
When did the "using racist language makes you a racist" statement became universal truth ?
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Another victim of the great PC witch hunt. Slowly but surely, any remaining flavor and personality is being squeezed out of SC and the scene will come to regret it. Where is the eSport Chael Sonnen, the Tiger Woods, the Muhammad Ali?
Oh, they probably all got fired.
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The right decision was made here, though I do hope Orb can eventually leave this incident behind and continue to cast sc2.
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On March 09 2012 21:13 ComusLoM wrote:
While I think we should be shunning people like Orb who BM within the community, I don't think it should be because of a word. I find people being offended by single words to have low moral character. So one one hand I don't see this as an overreaction to bad manner, on the other hand the reason given I feel is simply unacceptable.
Exactly. People should be shunning this kind of behaviour not because of the word he used. It's like they don't care that a person insulted another individual and said all kinds of things to them it's just because he used nigger that it's wrong. Quite pathetic from us as a community. If he never used nigger would we be having this same discussion? I'd like to think so but I doubt it. People don't actually care about what happened all they see is some polarising word that they can jump on and do so.
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On March 09 2012 21:36 NtroP wrote:
I sense a lot of white people are very pleased with this decision.
I'm white and I'm pleased that a strong hand was finally shown against someone acting in an immature and harmful way. I'm genuinely surprised players like IdrA or Destiny haven't been cut loose due to their behavior as well.
People ought to be thoughtful in their interactions with others and having "nerd-rage" be acceptable as an excuse is a piss poor way of bringing that about. I want a community that doesn't condone or ignore shitty behavior from one person to another.
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deserved, glad EG handled the situation professionally.
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