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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources. In short, be smart. Alex comments on Idra: Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038 Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On March 09 2012 20:39 branflakes14 wrote: Maybe Orb thought nigger meant a pie that had gone rotten. No one wants to be called a rotten pie. You should give Rush Limbaugh a call, he's in a jam and I sure your spin doctoring would really help. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
That said, I can perfectly understand EGs point of view. They can't afford to protect Orb in this situation, even if they wanted to, the backlash would be way too harsh. If it didn't become a shitstorm, I really doubt they would care, but they have to protect their brand and their sponsors. Summary: Orb made a mistake, it's sad. EG did a good job, even if it's sad. People who make shitstorms out of nothing are idiots and ruin the community. | ||
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Dystisis
Norway713 Posts
There is a major difference between using a word and referring to it. When you refer to f.ex. the word "nigger", you should have absolutely no qualms about writing it out in its entirety, because you are not using it; you are talking about the existence of that word, not whatever it may refer to or be used as. In analytic philosophy, this is called the use-mention distinction. | ||
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Bashion
Cook Islands2612 Posts
On March 09 2012 20:37 ShinobiX wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 09 2012 20:33 Cypher_Brood wrote: This is insane. Just...crazy. All of it. I am almost ashamed to be a part of a community that will stir up drama at any given chance. This is just fucking ridiculous. I'm not talking about EG's decision to fire orb. That was their decision to make and theirs alone. But what is just aggravating is that some people with what seems like literally nothing to do go and preform their own little witch hunt to satisfy some immature silly need to make themselves seem better than someone else. The N-word makes me uncomfortable because of what it represents and I don't agree with anyone using it. But its not my place to stop them from saying what they please if its not infringing on any of my rights. So some guy says a racist slur on his stream while playing a game of Starcraft and suddenly the lynch mob of keyboard warriors decide to take it upon themselves to correct this grave injustice. Jesus fucking christ people. I just don't even know what to say. And people actually complained to EG's sponsors because of this? That's something else. I don't even have words. This is just disappointing. I'm actually pretty sad because of this. All of this. Every time I go onto team liquid, there's some more silly, inconsequential drama being stirred up for no good reason. + Show Spoiler + This is more of a personal rant that has a bit to do with whats going on: I guess its not just teamliquid.net. Its in the news. online. pretty much everywhere. People consuming stupid fucking drama that means nothing to them just so they can distract themselves from whatever is really bothering them or so that they can feel insulted or can say "well atleast I'm not as bad as that person." I forgot who said it, but deep down people want to be offended so they can act indignant and persecuted and not feel like in the end, they probably don't matter. I can only conclude that I'm one of those people. I'm in this thread after all. Fuck. You got it, man. I liked your personal rant, because I feel the same. People in today's age are hanging themselves up over too much shit. I guess that's what happens when you have the explosion of information that is the internet. People can't cope with it. I think this was one of the darkest episodes our community has seem so far. Like someone posted on reddit. Before Orb joined EG, everyone knew his behavior, everyone knew his name calling, but no one ever made a big deal out of it. Then, a bunch of jealous people decided it would be nice to entertain themselves while getting someone fired. When EG posted their welcome video, showing Orb at their house, the comments on youtube were simply disgusting. A lot of people raging of pure jealousy - and that was before the shit storm started. People were just waiting for an opportunity to damage him. | ||
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Sethronu
United Kingdom450 Posts
People need to grow up -- and I mean both folks like orb who go around saying shit like he did, and supposedly well-educated professionals like Alex who write dumb shit like this statement. | ||
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branflakes14
2082 Posts
On March 09 2012 20:43 ShinobiX wrote: You assume that people like Orb are not ignorant stupid fucks who are never going to learn? I mean look at the dude, he's some skinny white guy using the word Nigger like he's a high rolling gangsta rapper (that I still think he likes to be  ). People like him are going to use the word nigger as long as black rappers and movie stars are using the word nigger. Not to insult, but to imitate. As I said before, I presume it was an offhand remark without too much thought behind it. Replace Nigger with Douchebag and his phrasing would still make sense in the context. Of course, you'd have to find some "cool dude" in a movie using the word douchebag a lot to find copycats.  This is an ironic post, yes? I mean, you can't seriously be decrying words you claim to be derogatory racial slurs then turn around and derogatorially refer to Orb as a "skinny white guy". | ||
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Dr.Sin
Canada1126 Posts
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Nayas
Canada33 Posts
Way to go... | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On March 09 2012 20:41 Jamial wrote: While I agree that Orb probably should not have done what he did, there's a big cultural difference here between myself and you, Alexander. I sincerely disagree with demonizing certain words, as they're part of the language now, and their meaning can change, and - to some extent - has changed. Of course there's a cultural difference. The status of African-Americans has been a primary source of conflict in U.S. history since the founding of the republic in the late 1700s. Alex, orb, and many of us in this thread are all part of that. And trust me, these issues are all still very current, and very real. | ||
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Mullets
Denmark1 Post
I'll admit to having used the n word, on several occasions, when i was younger, as the slang of american rap became very popular in the enviroment in which i grew up. It was not until watching Coach Carter that i learned it was a derogatory term used to insult african americans before my time. Up until that point i believed it was, and had never been used in other context than to tell someone "you cool bro", since i discovered thiswas not the case, the word have never left my mouth or hand again. I respect your decision to let Orb go, EG has been my favorite organisation since i joined the SC2 community, and this reinforces that. | ||
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Czarnodziej
Poland624 Posts
On March 09 2012 20:31 Merlimoo wrote: I don't want sponsor that corrupt my community. Witch-hunt the people using them. Stop thinking that the world is what is it. If you think that way, why try to fight false racism in the first place ? You need to grow up. You make a mistake out there and you will be punished. Simple rules. | ||
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mdbx
4 Posts
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On March 09 2012 20:46 Sethronu wrote: Takes a special kind of a fruit to claim that anyone saying "nigger" when angry is some sort of a twisted racist KKK fan, lol. People need to grow up -- and I mean both folks like orb who go around saying shit like he did, and supposedly well-educated professionals like Alex who write dumb shit like this statement. Read the OP again, Alex never said that. In fact, he specifically stated that that was not his position. | ||
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Merlimoo
France192 Posts
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
this thread has honestly enrage me alot and i am on the virge of just leaving the community altogether. its sickening the lengths people will go to start drama just because of a silly word they dont like. orb if you are reading this thread, which im sure you are, then dont beat yourself up over this. its just another example of how the community is stabbing themselves in the foot by starting stupid drama like this. people just cant let things go and its so fucking sad. | ||
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Dystisis
Norway713 Posts
On March 09 2012 20:46 Sethronu wrote: Takes a special kind of a fruit to claim that anyone saying "nigger" when angry is some sort of a twisted racist KKK fan, lol. Words do not get their meaning from our intentions when we utter them. Otherwise, no one would understand each other without knowing each other's exact intentions. Writing would be incomprehensible for obvious reasons. You don't need to be a "twisted racist KKK fan" to say dumb shit, as is also evident in your post, Sethronu. Racism does not come from nowhere, it comes about because there is a culture and way of thinking still existent which nurtures it to some degree. I happen to agree that use of the word "nigger" is very much a part of that perspective, and honestly I think even you should be able to fathom that. | ||
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
Tho EG is right i guess, who wants a rager like that in his clan? Oh wait... | ||
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Czarnodziej
Poland624 Posts
On March 09 2012 20:52 Merlimoo wrote: Yep grown-up and big people are pessimist and fatalist. Go say that to the people at Occupy Wall Street, the arabs who launch a revolution, the people who fight finance abuses. I can return the compliment to you. You need to grow up and stop being told what to think. Comparing immaturity of the single individual to revolutionists fighting for their beliefs? | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On March 09 2012 20:54 Ballistixz wrote: whats really sad about all of this aswell is that orb had GREAT casting skills and the potential to get better. give him like a year or so in casting and he could have been one of the top casting archons IMO. the sad part is that potential will probally never come to fruition now because of a bunch of white knights feel the need burn someone alive for one mistake they did in there past. THAT is what is really killing Esports. the kid had talent as a caster, and you people take that away just because of something that happened over a year ago? like really? this thread has honestly enrage me alot and i am on the virge of just leaving the community altogether. its sickening the lengths people will go to start drama just because of a silly word they dont like. orb if you are reading this thread, which im sure you are, then dont beat yourself up over this. its just another example of how the community is stabbing themselves in the foot by starting stupid drama like this. people just cant let things go and its so fucking sad. why should we "let it go" i think the community did a good thing in the last couple of days, showing that racism and homophobia are completely unacceptable and hold our public figures to a higher standard of proffesionalism is a good thing in my opinion, i really dont understand how people can think its bad. | ||
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