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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources. In short, be smart. Alex comments on Idra: Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038 Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On March 09 2012 12:46 1sz2sz3sz wrote: gg no re racist you should read the OP before commenting on it. What orb did was wrong and i understand EG's decision as a professional e-sports team, but its sad to see a talented caster like orb go for stupid things he did on ladder. i rly hope orb finds another place where he can work. | ||
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Love and Justice
United States87 Posts
On March 09 2012 19:45 Weber wrote: I apologise if this has already been linked in the thread, but I would like to direct everyone's attention to this lovely compilation of IdrA being himself (while working for EG nonetheless): Specifically the statements at 2:13 and 4:30 should be interesting in this discussion. Not only does he take stabs at French-Canadians, saying they do stupid builds and "seem a little bit off", he also uses "gay" and "gayness" in a clearly derogatory manner. I cannot even begin to count the number of times he says the word "retarded" as well, which is by some considered to be an offensive word when used in this manner. One has to wonder where these double standards come from, other than Garfield's personal issues with the magical "N-word". Idra brings EG the $$ and Orb well............Didn't (ever thou he was with EG for less then a week). | ||
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TaKemE
Denmark1045 Posts
On March 09 2012 19:45 Weber wrote: I apologise if this has already been linked in the thread, but I would like to direct everyone's attention to this lovely compilation of IdrA being himself (while working for EG to boot): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUGNVpzB2t0 Specifically the statements at 2:13 and 4:30 should be interesting in this discussion. Not only does he take stabs at French-Canadians, saying they do stupid builds and "seem a little bit off", he also uses "gay" and "gayness" in a clearly derogatory manner. I cannot even begin to count the number of times he says the word "retarded" as well, which is by some considered to be an offensive word when used in this manner. One has to wonder where these double standards come from, other than Garfield's personal issues with the magical "N-word". Have you seen Idra do this in the last few months? | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On March 09 2012 19:46 Zeevo wrote: Complete and utter disgust for the starcraft community. Who else's careers are you going to destroy? Yip, I don't really want to be a part of this community anymore. Their need for drama is becoming pathetic. | ||
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Merlimoo
France192 Posts
On March 09 2012 19:45 Weber wrote: I apologise if this has already been linked in the thread, but I would like to direct everyone's attention to this lovely compilation of IdrA being himself (while working for EG nonetheless): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUGNVpzB2t0 Specifically the statements at 2:13 and 4:30 should be interesting in this discussion. Not only does he take stabs at French-Canadians, saying they do stupid builds and "seem a little bit off", he also uses "gay" and "gayness" in a clearly derogatory manner. I cannot even begin to count the number of times he says the word "retarded" as well, which is by some considered to be an offensive word when used in this manner. One has to wonder where these double standards come from, other than Garfield's personal issues with the magical "N-word". Not the mention that he is casting IEM right now... Garfield is a hypocrite. Idra is giving him money, thus it's ok to forgive. The worst part, it's that he's not giving money because of his results, but precisely because of his BM and the controversy around him. | ||
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Merlimoo
France192 Posts
On March 09 2012 19:48 Numy wrote: Yip, I don't really want to be a part of this community anymore. I was thinking the same thing. | ||
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Love and Justice
United States87 Posts
On March 09 2012 19:48 TaKemE wrote: Have you seen Idra do this in the last few months? Idra can't use the mic in the Slayers house but has been bming players in the Korean ladder thou. | ||
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SpeaKEaSY
United States1070 Posts
On March 09 2012 19:47 Starscreamz wrote: Yes, *cough* pussy* vs. *cough* fucking nigger *cough*. Come on, this is obviously used in a different context, get real man. OK, what about this then? | ||
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ShinobiX
Germany33 Posts
On March 09 2012 19:38 remedium wrote: Hypothetical: I work for a respected law firm. In my spare time, I play basketball and have a live stream of my games so the world can see my sweet moves on the blacktop. During one of my ridiculous, ankle-breaking jukes, I get fouled. I call the offending player a racial slur. People on my stream are somewhat bemused by this. They proceed to spread the footage across the Internet. My boss sees it. My firm's clients see it. My firm's peers see it. Judges see it. How long do I remain employed? You're comparing a serious business where a lot of your reputation makes or breaks your income with a half assed business like SC2 where people convince themselves that 5k viewers is a big accomplishment? Really? I dunno man, I don't see it. People like Idra actually profit from the controversy he creates. He'd had half the interest he had, if he was merely a polite Zerg laddering up and talking about the dog all the time. Same with this thread really, in the end Orb is gonna profit. Now people REALLY notice him and word gets around what he does. You can bet that his viewership will spike at least a little bit, simply because all the hypocrites will want to watch him fail another time. Welcome to the internet. Don't compare it to a law firm.  | ||
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iloveAthene
186 Posts
On March 09 2012 19:44 branflakes14 wrote: So not only are you accusing Debo of hypocrisy and making judgements of Orb based on a stereotype you just attached to him, you're now claiming Debo would assault someone over it, when in the video Debo says he doesn't care about racism in the slightest. Uhmm yeah pretty much. I don't see much hypocrisy in a black guy getting mad at one white guy for saying "nigger" and not getting mad at another white guy for saying "nigga" though. And are you saying you think Debo is an angel who would never lay a hand on anyone or judge them based on looks? Debo's a cool guy and reminds me of some guys I know and that's exactly what they'd do. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On March 09 2012 19:38 remedium wrote: Hypothetical: I work for a respected law firm. In my spare time, I play basketball and have a live stream of my games so the world can see my sweet moves on the blacktop. During one of my ridiculous, ankle-breaking jukes, I get fouled. I call the offending player a racial slur. People on my stream are somewhat bemused by this. They proceed to spread the footage across the Internet. My boss sees it. My firm's clients see it. My firm's peers see it. Judges see it. How long do I remain employed? You are assuming it's as easy in every country as it is in America to fire people. | ||
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CaptainCrush
United States785 Posts
I still stand by the fact that if its something he said long before he was affiliated with EG, then this is an over-reaction and the wrong move IMO. Of course Alex is the CEO so I respect his decision as well, just wouldnt have been my own. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On March 09 2012 19:53 iloveAthene wrote: Uhmm yeah pretty much. I don't see much hypocrisy in a black guy getting mad at one white guy for saying "nigger" and not getting mad at another white guy for saying "nigga" though. And are you saying you think Debo is an angel who would never lay a hand on anyone or judge them based on looks? Debo's a cool guy and reminds me of some guys I know and that's exactly what they'd do. I think if Debo was beating a stranger on ladder and they called him a dumb nigger, he'd be pissed. | ||
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captive411
United States80 Posts
I agree 100% with the response from EG. I don't think it has much to do with sponsors and more with the philosophy of its CEO. To anyone who thinks this is an overreaction or the wrong decision I can only hope you one day realize that this type of language is not wanted, needed, or appropriate in any context. While it may not offend you or the one black guy you know, it is very offensive to most intelligent, successful people. If you want to succeed in life and be a better human being, stop acting the fool. | ||
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branflakes14
2082 Posts
On March 09 2012 19:54 Defacer wrote: I think if Debo was beating a stranger on ladder and they called him a dumb nigger, he'd be pissed. I always got the impression that he'd just laugh it off and stim harder. Edit: Amusing thread to hit post 1984 in. | ||
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Vul
United States685 Posts
On March 09 2012 19:44 Malinor wrote: Interesting, if this is the self as in the OP, this could be closely the same. I hear sometimes calling someone a jew and I also cringe at that, but have not made the connection to the nigger incident, until maybe now. I just don't have any background in how the nigger word is used over there and why it is so extremely bad, I just lack the cultural background. For jew in germany it is of course obvious to me, although I find it such an incredibly stupid insult, since jews are just a group of people to me without any negative connotation. Just the recognition that it is meant as an insult makes me uncomfortable though, so this could be pretty close to this situation. But I just don't know. Just as an American who's lived in Germany but still doesn't have the greatest grasp of German culture (only lived there for a couple of years, when I was young) I'd say it's very similar, maybe practically the same. The word is used for black people themselves but also used as an insult for people who aren't black, to imply that they have the general negative characteristics of a black person, or are just generally a bad person (presumably like a black person). It's a little bit different because in Germany it's more recent and there might be more of a sense of overt guilt. It's hard to specify exactly what I mean when I say that, but Germany has one of the most liberal immigration/refugee policies in Europe, for example. And that's mainly because so many Jews had to flee the country during the holocaust that German politicians feel obligated to return the favor in that sense. But if you look at something like affirmative action in the U.S. and well, it still exists but people are very critical of it and it's actually been scaled back quite dramatically. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On March 09 2012 19:54 CaptainCrush wrote: So if Alex was a gay studies major then Idra would be gone tomorrow right? Maybe. You all realize that Alex is the CEO and this is his business, right? He can fire a guy for having an annoying laugh, if he wants. | ||
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zuperketla
Norway212 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5219 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On March 09 2012 19:55 branflakes14 wrote: I always got the impression that he'd just laugh it off and stim harder. I think it would at least bum him out a litte. | ||
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