EPTOrb Dismissed from Evil Geniuses Broadcasts - Page 55
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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources. In short, be smart. Alex comments on Idra: Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038 Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST | ||
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yoten
United States57 Posts
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Holloworb
Norway345 Posts
Like with your post regarding the Naniwa issue, your here clearly show that there's a real philosophy behind your thoughts, and now actions. That is something i applaud. | ||
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Gecko4lif
United States42 Posts
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lucasfz
United States9 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:48 Zzoram wrote: How do you even know the people Orb called "nigger" were all white? What if some of them were black? Does that change your view of the situation? Should it matter? maybe not white but i would put money on it that they aren't black, and anyway, orb did this without the intention of being actually racist and assuming the person wasn't, and if they were black, to be honest the word only matters if there is intention behind it, a word does not make somebody racist, a persons belief system, ideas and actions make them racist or not, words are obviously the only thing portraying your ideas you should be careful what you say so people don't get the wrong idea but i don't think it is reasonable to condemn him for saying a word, whether you think he is actually racist or not. The problem is that people still connect the word "nigger" to slavery when it is just referring to the color of somebodies skin, its the reason people think it to not nearly be as bad as honky because white people weren't slaves for hundreds of years. And even the word has lost its connection to the color of somebodies skin, including the word "faggot", people say these things in games and mean completely different things, i say the word "faggot" all the time and im not saying the guy is literally homosexual or even saying anything bad about homosexuals, such words only matter to people whom they apply to, i.e. blacks and gays. I seriously don't understand how people get offended by it when they are neither, these people don't need you to voice for them if they are offended by it, and they should only be offended when it is directed towards them or someone else who is black or gay. | ||
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Shyndashu
United States136 Posts
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mlspmatt
Canada404 Posts
There's a lot of room here for charges of hypocracy if they do not remain consistant. | ||
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Alacast
United States205 Posts
"I try to tell them that all words are plastic. Word images begin to distort in the instant of utterance. Ideas imbedded in a language require that particular language for expression. This is the very essence of the meaning within the word exotic. See how it begins to distort? Translation squirms in the presence of the exotic. The [English] which I speak here imposes itself. It is an outside frame of reference, a particular system. Dangers lurk in all systems. Systems incorporate the unexamined beliefs of their creators. Adopt a system, accept its beliefs, and you help strengthen the resistance to change." -Frank Herbert, God Emperor of Dune So long as people adamantly demand that n------ can only and will only ever be a racial slur, it will never stop being a racial slur. Racism and prejudice can and will still continue to exist with or without the usage of one word and ironically, the people historically most damaged by its negative connotation are the only ones to realize that co-opting it in a new context is the only way to render it powerless. | ||
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TheAngelofDeath
United States2033 Posts
Frys and Best Buy are both electronic stores for those who don't know. | ||
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Caryc
Germany330 Posts
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Invigoration
12 Posts
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Bobgrimly
New Zealand250 Posts
Seriously how whiny can you get. I hope every single one of them goes and writes a full reversal praising EG for their actions. That op alone is worth a mention. But I am lazy and I am not in america and so I won't. But hell if I was so uppity to complain in the first place I sure would reverse my words. | ||
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lubu42
United States314 Posts
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TheWorldToCome
United States452 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:40 Troyzilla wrote: So he was on his personal stream, with no EG overlay or tag, playing personal games, and people freaked out that he used a word commonly used on the internet to illustrate frustration? Wow post like these are so frustrating (and there are so many of them too!) The issue isnt about what was said, it's mostly about the fact he lied to EG and the community and then tried to cover it up and then actually lashed out at members in the community acting like HE was the victim in all this. Of course it turned out Orb was lying the whole time and so everyone got angry. People seem to be missing the point entirely. I see so many people also saying stuff like "wow such an overreaction by the community, I 'll bet everyone getting upset has used words like this before in their own past." The difference is that most of us are private citizens that don't have huge corporate money backing us (like Orb did when he got a job with EG.) Everything changes when you become a public figure. | ||
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ffdestiny
United States773 Posts
On March 09 2012 15:04 TheAngelofDeath wrote: You said orb was on a contract. Did that contract state, "If evidence is brought up that in the past before you signed this contract you used offensive racial language than this contract is void and you will be removed." Or something along those lines? I don't understand how something that happened in the past can directly cause someone to be fired unless he is well aware of it and lies up front about it to secure the position. Explain someone, as it really does boggle me. Imagine if you just got hired at best buy, and within the week they fired you because you got fired at a Frys for calling customers "faggots" and "niggers". Frys and Best Buy are both electronic stores for those who don't know. I'd certainly buy a Monster Cable from Orb though... | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
Context people, context. There are people attacking and defending this decision for all the wrong reasons. | ||
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blizzind
United States642 Posts
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
On March 09 2012 15:04 Alacast wrote: "Words can carry any burden we wish. All that's required is agreement and a tradition upon which to build." "I try to tell them that all words are plastic. Word images begin to distort in the instant of utterance. Ideas imbedded in a language require that particular language for expression. This is the very essence of the meaning within the word exotic. See how it begins to distort? Translation squirms in the presence of the exotic. The [English] which I speak here imposes itself. It is an outside frame of reference, a particular system. Dangers lurk in all systems. Systems incorporate the unexamined beliefs of their creators. Adopt a system, accept its beliefs, and you help strengthen the resistance to change." -Frank Herbert, God Emperor of Dune So long as people adamantly demand that n------ can only and will only ever be a racial slur, it will never stop being a racial slur. Racism and prejudice can and will still continue to exist with or without the usage of one word and ironically, the people historically most damaged by its negative connotation are the only ones to realize that co-opting it in a new context is the only way to render it powerless. And by censoring the word you're only encouraging the taboo to remain. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:50 checkplus wrote: Jesus destiny's response is pretty much: bury your head in the sand and ignore the N word and it'll go away eventually. Pretty ignorant. Destiny is a decent guy, but he's an idiot about this matter. Ignoring the derogatory nature word perpetuates it, and doesn't nothing to neuter it or make it 'go away.' | ||
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iloveAthene
186 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:58 Protosnake wrote: I was answering to someone calling the word "Inherently racist". The inherent meaning of word isnt exactly ownership of people, at least not those living today. I didnt mentioned skin color because the inherent meaning of the word ISNT AT ALL about skin color. which is why i specified the COLOR black. Ok sorry. I knew "negro" "negre" "niger" all meant the color black. Just wasn't aware the word "nigger" originally just meant the COLOR black and and didn't have anything to do with skin color. What's it's language of origin? Blacks used to be called Negroes in the US and I just assumed Nigger evolved from that word. edit:spelling | ||
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Gemini00
United States397 Posts
Not that my opinion counts for squat, but for what it's worth I think what Orb did and has done habitually throughout his career is completely unacceptable, and that the punishment was justified. At the same time, we all did stupid shit when we were young...he's a solid analytical caster and I hope he's able to use this as an opportunity to clean up his act and eventually rebound from it. Now if we could just apply these same standards to certain other high-profile individuals who represent the community badly, yet don't seem to get the same treatment... | ||
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