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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources.

In short, be smart.

Alex comments on Idra:


Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038

Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST
darkest44
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1009 Posts
March 09 2012 04:35 GMT
#501
A little over dramatized, people get fired every day for less, you don't need to try to justify it. People on both sides don't need to write novels about it, a guy got fired from one gig, big deal, just move on.
taintmachine
Profile Joined May 2010
United States431 Posts
March 09 2012 04:35 GMT
#502
On March 09 2012 13:33 ZerguufOu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 13:31 b0oyah wrote:
Man to me this is so messed up. The guy calls someone a nigger on his own free time, privatly and gets fired. Idra calls someone a faggot in a tournament and nothing happens ?!

Hypocrisy


no its called BUSINESS.. you dont fire your #1 money maker


no it is called hypocrisy if alex comes in and rants about society when he keeps abrasive personalities around who say offensive things all the time. obviously he was simply making a business decision by kicking orb, but he decided to type out this long post about social values. he seems to be full of shit to me, and it's hard to believe people think he's being sincere.
matiK23
Profile Joined May 2011
United States963 Posts
March 09 2012 04:35 GMT
#503
On March 09 2012 13:30 Sprouter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 13:26 matiK23 wrote:
On March 09 2012 13:24 Sprouter wrote:
This community is full of hypocrites. I hope you are all happy ruining a guy's dream for something really silly.


Please, do the same thing Orb did, except go outside and do it at your job, if you have one. And then say your excuse "It's just a word, the whole thing is silly."

Let us know how that works out.
That's not even what I'm getting at. What about Destiny? Total Biscuit? Idra? Those guys have used slurs and they still have a job.


I don't support, or watch any of those guys play/cast. But I'm sure they will be next if they slip. I wasn't that offended to the point where I called sponsors, but I believe Alex made the right choice. Otherwise when will someone finally step in and say enough is enough? It has to start somewhere. I hope the termination of Orb will lead by example, and warn the players/casters mentioned to tread carefully.
Without a paddle up shit creek.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
March 09 2012 04:36 GMT
#504
How are the people in this thread comparing Idra's profanity to Orb's? How are the two situations even remotely the same? The word "nigger" is an automatic career-ender for a public figure in almost all situations of use. The word "faggot" is not.
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Megabuster123
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada1837 Posts
March 09 2012 04:36 GMT
#505
On March 09 2012 13:21 Zzoram wrote:
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On March 09 2012 13:15 EcksperT wrote:
I don't know what exactly caused the outrage... but I do not think it had anything to do with the community's "core values." Look no further than Destiny defending the fact that he says "nigger" and those who championed him for that or no one caring when HuK said it on twitter to his tens of thousands of followers. This is not a proud day. There was no comcomitance of morals amongst Starcraft Players. I believe this incident was nothing more than people creating drama for the sake of drama.


No, this was the SC2 community taking a step towards growing up.

Destiny is the worst possible thing for this community right now. People like him are hurting the growth of SC2 more than we know.



I don't even know what to say to posts like this. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 04:37:35
March 09 2012 04:36 GMT
#506
I appreciate how Alex and EG has handled this professionally, and I agree that Orb has to face some form of consequence over this, but I cannot overlook the fact that a few of EG's own players are guilty of this, like as previously mentioned, Idra's liberal and constant use of the word "f***ot", which is a term associated with homophobia. I know Idra brings the money in and stuff like that, but that is still NOT an excuse to ignore his actions. So I seriously doubt the consistency and the supposed agenda behind this action that EG took. Were it not for the huge storm that members in the community made over this issue, it wouldn't even be that big of an issue, and probably ignored. I feel that EG was pressured to respond to this based on the community reaction. Also, it has something to do with community status: Orb is a caster who has recently been on the rise but not yet considered that much of a "high-level" figure in the community; if people made a fuss over Idra's use of "f***ot", and if people complained to EG and sponsors over it, would EG take action? No, quite simply because his status as a "high-level" community figure would give him a pass, and as previously mentioned, his ability to bring in the dough is too valuable to let go. So it's a simple matter of benefits minus cost. Orb's actions would've cost more than it would've benefited, so he was let go. If Idra did a similar thing, his value would allow the benefits to be still higher than his costs no matter what.
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
March 09 2012 04:36 GMT
#507
can a mod or something just stick this twitter post to the top so people can stop comparing idra to orb?
DR.Ham
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands621 Posts
March 09 2012 04:36 GMT
#508
On March 09 2012 13:16 Husky wrote:

While I think its completely up to EG to hire and fire whoever they want (welcome to running a business), I sure dont think someone should be flamed incessantly for this kind of behavior. Its just their personality and is who they are.



Its just their personality and is who they are.

Really, using racist and homophobic language is just "who they are"? Come on, that's just a very weak response.

It's really really simple, if you are not a racist or a homophobe, don't use racist or homophobic language. If you still choose to do it, not only are you showing your ignorance and lack of empathy for others, but people WILL think that you're a racist or a homophobe. To want to have it both ways is incredibly childish and illogical.

Alex, that was a fantastic post, you and EG have clearly have done the correct and professional thing.

Having said that, -orb- will hopefully put out a statement about all this, and show that he has learned from it. Everyone can make mistakes and get past them.
ZerguufOu
Profile Joined December 2011
United States107 Posts
March 09 2012 04:36 GMT
#509
On March 09 2012 13:34 Diogenes wrote:
Pretty massive overreaction. If someone can be punished for events that do not directly harm anyone else, is well in their past, and could easily be explained by a moment of weakness; how is that at all relevant to their current ability to perform their job? I understand being in the public spotlight means that there are certain expectations but this is pretty much well beyond what I think is the commonly accepted statute of limitations for bad behavior.


no its not a massive overaction. EG is a business and good PR is essential. Every other business would have dealt with the situation in the same way.
Protosnake
Profile Joined September 2011
France295 Posts
March 09 2012 04:36 GMT
#510
Dont know what's funny, everyone freaking out about someone using means words because he raged on ladder (Not like people spout the word "Faggot" everywhere right ?) or Orb's Backpedaling Adventures.
dongus
Profile Joined March 2012
3 Posts
March 09 2012 04:36 GMT
#511
kenniger

User was banned for this post.
SlimeBagly
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
356 Posts
March 09 2012 04:36 GMT
#512
I agree with everything except the top admin message. The post should be read in its entirety, not It's entirety.
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Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
March 09 2012 04:36 GMT
#513
On March 09 2012 13:36 motbob wrote:
How are the people in this thread comparing Idra's profanity to Orb's? How are the two situations even remotely the same? The word "nigger" is an automatic career-ender for a public figure in almost all situations of use. The word "faggot" is not.


Don't shoot the messenger.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 09 2012 04:36 GMT
#514
On March 09 2012 13:34 Gamegene wrote:
"@ottersareneat do you scold Idra then for using "faggot" during his streams and games? Not sure why he gets special treatment and Orb doesnt"

"@beesinyoface yes, i do. every time it happens, he hears from me. have you noticed it happening recently? if you have, let me know."

i doubt idra gives whiny excuses. he admits he is foul mouthed.


And that honesty does make a difference. Idra has freely admitted that some of the things he said are bad and he should not have said them. He has never lied about it or tried to justify what he said.
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battyone
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States180 Posts
March 09 2012 04:36 GMT
#515
On March 09 2012 13:36 motbob wrote:
How are the people in this thread comparing Idra's profanity to Orb's? How are the two situations even remotely the same? The word "nigger" is an automatic career-ender for a public figure in almost all situations of use. The word "faggot" is not.


Why though? Why is there any difference between one slur and another. It's okay as long as the group that it is used against is still actively persecuted? If anything faggot should be less acceptable than nigger.
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MrDudeMan
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada973 Posts
March 09 2012 04:37 GMT
#516
On March 09 2012 13:32 ZessiM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 13:27 13_Doomblaze_37 wrote:
On March 09 2012 13:15 EcksperT wrote:
I don't know what exactly caused the outrage... but I do not think it had anything to do with the community's "core values." Look no further than Destiny defending the fact that he says "nigger" and those who championed him for that or no one caring when HuK said it on twitter to his tens of thousands of followers. This is not a proud day. There was no comcomitance of morals amongst Starcraft Players. I believe this incident was nothing more than people creating drama for the sake of drama.



This is an insightful post.

Do you guys remember the SotG where Destiny and InControl spent 2 hours talking about how the term "nigger" became a generic insult? That was met with some controversy, but the fact is that nigger doesn't mean what it used to. Stop treating it like it does It's what people say when they rage, not when they want to insult a black guy. Same with faggot. Treating orb this way this just reinforces the stigma associated with the words, when it shouldn't even exist anymore.

Orb lied. that should be the reason why you fired him, not because hes been calling people niggers and faggots since the beta. You lost a passionate caster today EG, and while you gained some fans, you lost quite a few as well.

I'm not mad a EG, I understand that they needed to do this from a business standpoint to appease the masses. I find it hard to believe that nobody from EG had ever tuned into one of orbs streams before where he swears, because its rather frequent. Rather, I think that nobody from EG cared.

I'm mad at the starcraft and reddit community. Nobody gives a fuck if orb calls someone a nigger on the stream. If they do, then why does destiny have free reign to do it whenever he wants to? Nobody gives a fuck if orb calls someone a faggot on his stream. If they do, then why does Idra have free reign to do it whenever he wants to? You guys helped ruin someone's life today, I hope you're happy with it.

Words don't just change meanings. The word may have gained a new usage, and therefore perhaps a new meaning, but that doesn't mean it isn't still a very offensive word to a large majority of people.

Until now, being in the public eye you wouldn't need to have consideration of this stuff. Orb has been made an example of. A precedent has been set.


The funny thing about the word "nigger" is that it seems to offend white people more than black people. To all the people in support of Alex's view point (and to Alex himself), what are your opinions on black rappers/comedians/people using the word freely and without consequence?
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
March 09 2012 04:37 GMT
#517
On March 09 2012 13:36 oogieogie wrote:
can a mod or something just stick this twitter post to the top so people can stop comparing idra to orb?
https://twitter.com/#!/beesinyoface/status/177963959431872512

Good idea.
ModeratorGood content always wins.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 04:38:24
March 09 2012 04:37 GMT
#518
result of the stupidity of the community. Just jumps to random drama whenever possible
nigger- faggot don't even have remotely the same context they used to have. This was done before he was contracted to EG, and it was done privately in ladder. Do I think it was right? absolutely not, but it is ladder and people rage. I understand, and there is no need to fire a good caster such as orb. And at the same time there are many many double standards everywhere in this community(destiny, idra). As for the response it was just a victim card played by Alex, so he can save his sponsors.

Still can't believe people would actually email sponsors about it.. thats just disgusting. Not many people get the chance to be a part of EG, and even if Orb is a retard at times, he has provided many many good commentaries and that itself deserves sympathy for him to keep his job.

Respect for teamliquid and reddit just so low...
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SerafeimSC
Profile Joined September 2011
98 Posts
March 09 2012 04:37 GMT
#519
Don't ban too many people TL.... People may cry on /r/starcraft and have yall boycotted... I must say TL is one of my favorite teams now.... :D
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Lupita
Profile Joined September 2010
United States290 Posts
March 09 2012 04:37 GMT
#520
Idra calling people "faggots" - ok

Orb calling people "niggers" - not ok

got it, loud and clear.

The real issue here, is that Orb isn't that popular relative to someone like Idra, so when people on reddit cry to sponsors, it's simply just an easy fix to fire him, plain and simple.

Mr. Garfield, please take a moment and step off of your moral high-ground, and realize this point. You made an easy business decision, nothing more. There was no need for some grandiose soap-boxing post about racism and your college background to justify this business decision.

I'm not saying that Orb shouldn't have been fired, he rather should not have been hired in the first place knowing his reputation, but to go on this diatribe about fighting racism and committing to a higher-moral standard is just plain silly.
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