EPTOrb Dismissed from Evil Geniuses Broadcasts - Page 26
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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources. In short, be smart. Alex comments on Idra: Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038 Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST | ||
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darkest44
United States1009 Posts
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taintmachine
United States431 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:33 ZerguufOu wrote: no its called BUSINESS.. you dont fire your #1 money maker no it is called hypocrisy if alex comes in and rants about society when he keeps abrasive personalities around who say offensive things all the time. obviously he was simply making a business decision by kicking orb, but he decided to type out this long post about social values. he seems to be full of shit to me, and it's hard to believe people think he's being sincere. | ||
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matiK23
United States963 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:30 Sprouter wrote: That's not even what I'm getting at. What about Destiny? Total Biscuit? Idra? Those guys have used slurs and they still have a job. I don't support, or watch any of those guys play/cast. But I'm sure they will be next if they slip. I wasn't that offended to the point where I called sponsors, but I believe Alex made the right choice. Otherwise when will someone finally step in and say enough is enough? It has to start somewhere. I hope the termination of Orb will lead by example, and warn the players/casters mentioned to tread carefully. | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
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Megabuster123
Canada1837 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:21 Zzoram wrote: No, this was the SC2 community taking a step towards growing up. Destiny is the worst possible thing for this community right now. People like him are hurting the growth of SC2 more than we know. I don't even know what to say to posts like this. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. | ||
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
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oogieogie
United States3657 Posts
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DR.Ham
Netherlands621 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:16 Husky wrote: While I think its completely up to EG to hire and fire whoever they want (welcome to running a business), I sure dont think someone should be flamed incessantly for this kind of behavior. Its just their personality and is who they are. Its just their personality and is who they are. Really, using racist and homophobic language is just "who they are"? Come on, that's just a very weak response. It's really really simple, if you are not a racist or a homophobe, don't use racist or homophobic language. If you still choose to do it, not only are you showing your ignorance and lack of empathy for others, but people WILL think that you're a racist or a homophobe. To want to have it both ways is incredibly childish and illogical. Alex, that was a fantastic post, you and EG have clearly have done the correct and professional thing. Having said that, -orb- will hopefully put out a statement about all this, and show that he has learned from it. Everyone can make mistakes and get past them. | ||
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ZerguufOu
United States107 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:34 Diogenes wrote: Pretty massive overreaction. If someone can be punished for events that do not directly harm anyone else, is well in their past, and could easily be explained by a moment of weakness; how is that at all relevant to their current ability to perform their job? I understand being in the public spotlight means that there are certain expectations but this is pretty much well beyond what I think is the commonly accepted statute of limitations for bad behavior. no its not a massive overaction. EG is a business and good PR is essential. Every other business would have dealt with the situation in the same way. | ||
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Protosnake
France295 Posts
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dongus
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SlimeBagly
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:36 motbob wrote: How are the people in this thread comparing Idra's profanity to Orb's? How are the two situations even remotely the same? The word "nigger" is an automatic career-ender for a public figure in almost all situations of use. The word "faggot" is not. Don't shoot the messenger. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:34 Gamegene wrote: "@ottersareneat do you scold Idra then for using "faggot" during his streams and games? Not sure why he gets special treatment and Orb doesnt" "@beesinyoface yes, i do. every time it happens, he hears from me. have you noticed it happening recently? if you have, let me know." i doubt idra gives whiny excuses. he admits he is foul mouthed. And that honesty does make a difference. Idra has freely admitted that some of the things he said are bad and he should not have said them. He has never lied about it or tried to justify what he said. | ||
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battyone
United States180 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:36 motbob wrote: How are the people in this thread comparing Idra's profanity to Orb's? How are the two situations even remotely the same? The word "nigger" is an automatic career-ender for a public figure in almost all situations of use. The word "faggot" is not. Why though? Why is there any difference between one slur and another. It's okay as long as the group that it is used against is still actively persecuted? If anything faggot should be less acceptable than nigger. | ||
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:32 ZessiM wrote: Words don't just change meanings. The word may have gained a new usage, and therefore perhaps a new meaning, but that doesn't mean it isn't still a very offensive word to a large majority of people. Until now, being in the public eye you wouldn't need to have consideration of this stuff. Orb has been made an example of. A precedent has been set. The funny thing about the word "nigger" is that it seems to offend white people more than black people. To all the people in support of Alex's view point (and to Alex himself), what are your opinions on black rappers/comedians/people using the word freely and without consequence? | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:36 oogieogie wrote: can a mod or something just stick this twitter post to the top so people can stop comparing idra to orb? https://twitter.com/#!/beesinyoface/status/177963959431872512 Good idea. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
nigger- faggot don't even have remotely the same context they used to have. This was done before he was contracted to EG, and it was done privately in ladder. Do I think it was right? absolutely not, but it is ladder and people rage. I understand, and there is no need to fire a good caster such as orb. And at the same time there are many many double standards everywhere in this community(destiny, idra). As for the response it was just a victim card played by Alex, so he can save his sponsors. Still can't believe people would actually email sponsors about it.. thats just disgusting. Not many people get the chance to be a part of EG, and even if Orb is a retard at times, he has provided many many good commentaries and that itself deserves sympathy for him to keep his job. Respect for teamliquid and reddit just so low... | ||
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SerafeimSC
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Lupita
United States290 Posts
Orb calling people "niggers" - not ok got it, loud and clear. The real issue here, is that Orb isn't that popular relative to someone like Idra, so when people on reddit cry to sponsors, it's simply just an easy fix to fire him, plain and simple. Mr. Garfield, please take a moment and step off of your moral high-ground, and realize this point. You made an easy business decision, nothing more. There was no need for some grandiose soap-boxing post about racism and your college background to justify this business decision. I'm not saying that Orb shouldn't have been fired, he rather should not have been hired in the first place knowing his reputation, but to go on this diatribe about fighting racism and committing to a higher-moral standard is just plain silly. | ||
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