I could not find another thread about this. Since I am interested in hearing speculations and opinions I'm posting this here, not to cause an upstir or something.
As some of you know earlier today Incredible Miracle uploaded some new pictures of Matt " looknohands119" his visit to the teamhouse. On one of the photos, an unknown player is visible, wearing the IM team jersey, but his face is blurred out. People are speculating it's Flash or Bisu but I personally find this hard to believe although he does have the same arm size as Flash, but a different hair color if I'm not mistaken.
- He looks like flash but Flash wouldn't leave KT quietly, hes worked hard there for years.
- He looks like Bisu but Bisu his hair doesn't have black roots on the back of his head as proven by someone with a recent video from Bisu
- Might be a random/B teamer but why would they blur him out?
- Plays protoss most likely as seen in the photos
- Notice his long, thin arms
- A regular member who doesn't want to be on photo (It's inevitable to have ur picture taken as a member from such an elite & famed team as IM, so this seems unlikely to me personally)
- Losira is a bit more pudgy someone says, he has short hair now & he plays zerg normally
- Lyn doesn't have arms that size
- He seriously does look a lot like Flash lol
- Anyppi, ex KT rolster player who thought about switching
BW players would never disgrace themselves by even being seen with sc2 players. You should be ashamed for even suggesting this. I'm taking my rage to the unimpressed flash meme thread. (jk ^^)
From the most recent pictures of Bisu (from yesterday actually, I think), the hair on the back of his head does not have exposed black roots, so I think that mostly rules him out.
A Korean team having an additional Code B player is nothing. Many unknown players enter and drop out of the teams on a daily basis. Just look at the FXO roster on IPL team league thread. They have like 20 players with a ton of new faces.
i would guess its more likely for BW teams to transform into SC2 teams and buy top SC2 players than for current SC2 teams to afford s class BW players.
On March 07 2012 06:01 BasilForSkin wrote: From the most recent pictures of Bisu (from yesterday actually, I think), the hair on the back of his head does not have exposed black roots, so I think that mostly rules him out.
You would have to compare the time of the pictures because this picture could have been taken before he got his hair done again.
Yeah, not Flash or Bisu. Possibly another relatively high ranking BW player switching, though. TLBS aren't going to switch any time soon IMO, but other A-teamers could well.
The question is if it is a random, why would they blur his face? If he just doesn't want to be photographed why is he looking towards the camera? I think that it is someone fairly known ^^
There is close to no possibility that it's Flash or Bisu, they would never silently quit the team they plowed for for years and wear an IM jersey. It's probably just a regular player
No its not flash or bisu or any tbls .. they wouldnt wear an IM uniform. It's probably some known (ex-?) player however, or they wouldnt have blurred it. Interesting!
It kinda looks like Lyn or Hero. I know its not and I am not saying its them. The player has REALLY long and thin arms. I don't know if I have seen a small Korean person with that long of arms before.
No its not flash or bisu or any tbls .. they wouldnt wear an IM uniform. It's probably some known (ex-?) player however, or they wouldnt have blurred it. Interesting!
We're in the Starcraft 2 General forums right? That means spoilers are fine with the new forum rules... It's not like he did something like that in the BW General forum.
On March 07 2012 06:04 dani` wrote: IM trolling TL by blurring random player's face, laughs when immediately people think about Flash / Bisu joining IM ^_^
I was about to make a post like this myself but you beat me to it sir. Well played.
We're in the Starcraft 2 General forums right? That means spoilers are fine with the new forum rules... It's not like he did something like that in the BW General forum.
So Im supposed to not click any spoilers in the SC2 section because I should anticipate SPL spoilers ? lol.. And the new forums rules only apply to SC2 events.
Im glad he changed it that quickly tho, so nobody but me will get spoilered
Can we just get this out of the way? No current BroodWar progamer would be wearing the IM team shirt, not if he was still part of a broodwar team. Practicing in the house sure, but I see no reason to put the shirt on if you aren't a part of the team.
On March 07 2012 06:13 Golgotha wrote: people saying it's bisu are just trolling. it's probably just a new nobody who asked them to blur his face so his parents couldn't see.
I was about to post something like this. He probably keeps telling his parents he is going to school, but in reality he is at the IM house!
On March 07 2012 06:12 jimminy_kriket wrote: Can we just get this out of the way? No current BroodWar progamer would be wearing the IM team shirt, not if he was still part of a broodwar team. Practicing in the house sure, but I see no reason to put the shirt on if you aren't a part of the team.
Exactly, unless he recently hopped and they are wanting to keep it quiet for now. Which would make sense since hed have to adjust to sc2
We're in the Starcraft 2 General forums right? That means spoilers are fine with the new forum rules... It's not like he did something like that in the BW General forum.
So Im supposed to not click any spoilers in the SC2 section because I should anticipate SPL spoilers ? lol.. And the new forums rules only apply to SC2 events.
Im glad he changed it that quickly tho, so nobody but me will get spoilered
In a thread with a lot of people talking about BW players and he even says that's not Bisu before putting a spoiler?
We're in the Starcraft 2 General forums right? That means spoilers are fine with the new forum rules... It's not like he did something like that in the BW General forum.
So Im supposed to not click any spoilers in the SC2 section because I should anticipate SPL spoilers ? lol.. And the new forums rules only apply to SC2 events.
Im glad he changed it that quickly tho, so nobody but me will get spoilered
In a thread with a lot of people talking about BW players and he even says that's not Bisu before putting a spoiler?
Probably a safe bet that it's a BW spoiler.
Or like half the pictures in here, a picture of Bisu, it was an accidental spoiler and it was removed so no harm no foul for the most of us. It was just unintentional.
On March 07 2012 06:13 Golgotha wrote: people saying it's bisu are just trolling. it's probably just a new nobody who asked them to blur his face so his parents couldn't see.
you are probably right i think
and no way that a current bw progamer will practice sc2 in a teamhouse
Nestea did say that Broodwar teams contacted him about training for SC2 and asked his opinion of what up-and-comers they should consider acquiring to help them build their SC2 teams.
Maybe Stats is there as part of some training partnership? He trains with IM and then goes back to teach the KT house what he learns? Maybe IM will partner with KT for SC2 Proleague or something in return?
On March 07 2012 06:55 Usagi wrote: Maybe he is just underage and they are made by law to blurr his face?
Is that a thing? Aren't a lot of these players under age?
Could be all the others there arent underage, dont know. In some countries they are very strict about showing videos or pictures of people under a certain age in any public media.
On March 07 2012 06:54 Zzoram wrote: Nestea did say that Broodwar teams contacted him about training for SC2 and asked his opinion of what up-and-comers they should consider acquiring to help them build their SC2 teams.
Maybe Stats is there as part of some training partnership? He trains with IM and then goes back to teach the KT house what he learns? Maybe IM will partner with KT for SC2 Proleague or something in return?
I'm guessing a BW player who isn't as good as bisu/flash who is on a team and didn't want their face to be shown. Or it's an old school BW player coming back to sc2.
On March 07 2012 07:01 BasilForSkin wrote: The guy on the left is Stats, right? I dunno, from pictures I've seen, his jaw looks too strong to be that guy and his hair isn't as squarish.
He had a chin surgery, it looks different now. And in other pictures the hair looks exactly the same.
On March 07 2012 07:01 BasilForSkin wrote: The guy on the left is Stats, right? I dunno, from pictures I've seen, his jaw looks too strong to be that guy and his hair isn't as squarish.
He had a chin surgery, it looks different now. And in other pictures the hair looks exactly the same.
On March 07 2012 07:01 BasilForSkin wrote: The guy on the left is Stats, right? I dunno, from pictures I've seen, his jaw looks too strong to be that guy and his hair isn't as squarish.
He had a chin surgery, it looks different now. And in other pictures the hair looks exactly the same.
On March 07 2012 07:01 BasilForSkin wrote: The guy on the left is Stats, right? I dunno, from pictures I've seen, his jaw looks too strong to be that guy and his hair isn't as squarish.
He had a chin surgery, it looks different now. And in other pictures the hair looks exactly the same.
chin surgery??
Yes, his chin kept him from closing his mouth correctly, which is why it was changed. It did not affect his play however. It was last year, too
On March 07 2012 07:01 BasilForSkin wrote: The guy on the left is Stats, right? I dunno, from pictures I've seen, his jaw looks too strong to be that guy and his hair isn't as squarish.
He had a chin surgery, it looks different now. And in other pictures the hair looks exactly the same.
It's not Stats if the pictures are newish. Stats currently hair style is nowhere close to the guy in the picture. Maybe if it was a month ago, but Stats' current hair style is black and reminds me of MMA's hair style at MLG Anaheim.
On March 07 2012 07:16 Fionn wrote: It's not Stats if the pictures are newish. Stats currently hair style is nowhere close to the guy in the picture. Maybe if it was a month ago, but Stats' current hair style is black and reminds me of MMA's hair style at MLG Anaheim.
Nooo, why do you destroy our hopes...
Polt will not get A Code S seed and will fail to qualify for Code A! ;(
OT: It's not Stats, KT gave him a big salary raise this year because of his clutch performance in the grand finals of PL last year. He has no reason to leave KT and join IM to make less money.
0 chance of this being a BW bonjwa, they are still playing for the masses, making way more money, SC2 teams don't have the money to pay for players like that. Maybe a B-teamer that IM hasn't announced yet and want's to keep a secret for now, or something along those lines.
So either the picture is a month plus old or it's not him.
Thanks for the picture, the pictures are recent since they were posted on facebook today and I started hearing rumors this morning. There is no way to tell when exactly they were taken but I don't think they would be posted after a month or something.
to all thise saying "why would they swich etc pp" Meny current SC2 Pros (incl. NesTea) and Managers (mainly FXOBoss) said that some BW pros are playing SC2 in sc2 teamhouses, that dosnt mean they swiched yet, just that they want to be as good as possible as soon as or if they swich.
However that this player is waring an IM Shirt excludes eny current SC1 Pros from the riddle.
This is like "who's that Pokemon?" except with hair instead of silhouettes and Koreans instead of Pokemon.
Anyways, I don't expect it to be too big of a name. The Korean BW players rumored to be floating around are probably really formidable, but I don't really see top A-teamers switching over in any fashion, especially with Proleague playoffs coming up.
On March 07 2012 07:30 mnck wrote: It's quite simple. Flash has started to copy himself. He wants to be the first ever to be number 1 in two games at once, on the same time.
On March 07 2012 07:30 mnck wrote: It's quite simple. Flash has started to copy himself. He wants to be the first ever to be number 1 in two games at once, on the same time.
Why stop at two games? Bahahahaha :o
Five FlaSh DotA/LoL/HoN (so hopefully no flame wars will be started) incoming !
That leads me to a thread where FXOBoss mentioned something about BW Pros switching in a period of a few months. I think that was a few months ago, but I can not find the thread anymore... I am really wiggely and giggely right now, but I think in the end there was nothing spectacular going on.
Could just be that someone not on team is just in the house, didn't sign release papers meaning IM can't use their image in images that they use for promotion or some weird legal thingy.
Tlrdez joined Teamliquid on 18 february from the UK. This pretty much rules out that Tlrdez is korean. And that rules out that this person is Tlrdez ^^
On March 07 2012 08:25 CatNzHat wrote: Could just be that someone not on team is just in the house, didn't sign release papers meaning IM can't use their image in images that they use for promotion or some weird legal thingy.
Playing multiple games on a pc and wearing their jersey? Don't think so
On March 07 2012 08:25 CatNzHat wrote: Could just be that someone not on team is just in the house, didn't sign release papers meaning IM can't use their image in images that they use for promotion or some weird legal thingy.
but then I would not give him an IM shirt as team captain...
On March 07 2012 07:43 xBillehx wrote: There's also this photo which I think was taken the same day. Could it maybe be the dude in the far back middle?
He is the one in the middle for sure because no one else in the house (that i could see) has that shade of hair. If you look closely at his screen(in the picture from behind) you can see that he is what appears to be top masters, idk if that is relevant but it is something. But im 95% sure that is him in the back middle... if only we could enhance it so we could see him.
On March 07 2012 07:43 xBillehx wrote: There's also this photo which I think was taken the same day. Could it maybe be the dude in the far back middle?
He is the one in the middle for sure because no one else in the house (that i could see) has that shade of hair. If you look closely at his screen(in the picture from behind) you can see that he is what appears to be top masters, idk if that is relevant but it is something. But im 95% sure that is him in the back middle... if only we could enhance it so we could see him.
He's staring right at the camera, saying "Guess whoo..."
On March 07 2012 07:43 xBillehx wrote: There's also this photo which I think was taken the same day. Could it maybe be the dude in the far back middle?
He is the one in the middle for sure because no one else in the house (that i could see) has that shade of hair. If you look closely at his screen(in the picture from behind) you can see that he is what appears to be top masters, idk if that is relevant but it is something. But im 95% sure that is him in the back middle... if only we could enhance it so we could see him.
Maybe it's Hiya? He was talking about possibly playing sc2 after taking some time to himself after leaving BW. He wanted to get good at sc2 and accustomed to it before playing it professionally. For those of you who don't know who I'm referring to it's the Ex HwaSeung Oz member Magikarp!
On March 07 2012 08:38 fire_brand wrote: Maybe it's Hiya? He was talking about possibly playing sc2 after taking some time to himself after leaving BW. He wanted to get good at sc2 and accustomed to it before playing it professionally. For those of you who don't know who I'm referring to it's the Ex HwaSeung Oz member Magikarp!
nope went to army.
EDIT: Or at least he is going soon. He has been playing BW the time he had left before going to his military service.
On March 07 2012 07:43 xBillehx wrote: There's also this photo which I think was taken the same day. Could it maybe be the dude in the far back middle?
He is the one in the middle for sure because no one else in the house (that i could see) has that shade of hair. If you look closely at his screen(in the picture from behind) you can see that he is what appears to be top masters, idk if that is relevant but it is something. But im 95% sure that is him in the back middle... if only we could enhance it so we could see him.
If it was anyone famous (flash/bisu) the visiting foreigner would have talked about it and it would've been leaked out for sure. Not to mention there would be people crowding behind him watching him play. This guy seemed to be minding his own business, probably just a shy guy who doesn't like his pictures on the internet.
On March 07 2012 08:36 iLoveKT wrote: looks like anyppi.
edit: he just retired and said he wanted to play sc2. ex-KT toss.
good job, im agreeing with you.
its anyppi.
"Anyppi received regular playing time with the old best of seven format, but with the new best of five format, he saw it would be difficult to get playing time now, so he has decided to leave the team and retire from Brood War. However, he does not plan on entering the military just yet, and is considering switching to Starcraft 2."
Well, certainly not a dissapointment if thats the case. Good find!
While he does look like Flash, i don't think that it is him. If it was Flash a) People would be crowded behind him watching him play b) The visiting guy would have talked about it and it would have leaked out c) Other IM members would have leaked it out d) He's playing protoss (although this reason is almost negligible, since maybe he's just taking the time to learn protoss inside out so that he can play best against it) e) If Flash wanted to keep his SC2 life private, he wouldn't risk doing something like this.
On March 07 2012 08:51 Fanek wrote: Any graphic with photoshop skills here?
Can't be done, there isn't enough information to reconstruct anything. You'd need a photo of many progamers in the exact same position, lighting and visible size, use the same blur algorithm on all, and check pixel for pixel (like was done for HSC4).
Maybe he's a criminal. Maybe he is a random IM player who just wasn't comfortable being photopgraphed. If it was Flash, Bisu or some big, BIG signing that they have made then he wouldn't have let himself be in the picture to start with and there would have been many more rumours leading up to it.
On March 07 2012 06:01 BasilForSkin wrote: From the most recent pictures of Bisu (from yesterday actually, I think), the hair on the back of his head does not have exposed black roots, so I think that mostly rules him out.
the "black roots" you get when your natural hair grows under your coloured hair, you can colour it again to remove them.
On March 07 2012 06:02 Gator wrote: if flash plays protoss in sc2 i'm gonna kill myself.. Maybe it's bisu, kinda looks like him
lol I'd laugh at the Terran tears if Flash joined up and played Toss
doubt he would though, his skills would transfer over to terran in sc2 sooo goood
I like to imagine all of the top BW guys switching to protoss Although perhaps I should hope they dont... if they do protoss would just be more likely to be nerfed... as it is the race representation amongst top players is kinda balanced... if all the new potential good players went toss I'd end up nerfed...
On March 07 2012 08:51 Fanek wrote: Any graphic with photoshop skills here?
Can't be done, there isn't enough information to reconstruct anything. You'd need a photo of many progamers in the exact same position, lighting and visible size, use the same blur algorithm on all, and check pixel for pixel (like was done for HSC4).
On March 07 2012 08:51 Fanek wrote: Any graphic with photoshop skills here?
Can't be done, there isn't enough information to reconstruct anything. You'd need a photo of many progamers in the exact same position, lighting and visible size, use the same blur algorithm on all, and check pixel for pixel (like was done for HSC4).
On March 07 2012 10:15 Ucs wrote: Based on his sitting hight/monitor angle/screen height he is somewhere between 168-173 cm tall. So he can't be bisu. What is Flash's height?
We know his height, arm length and hair colour, we getting closer!
On March 07 2012 10:15 Ucs wrote: Based on his sitting hight/monitor angle/screen height he is somewhere between 168-173 cm tall. So he can't be bisu. What is Flash's height?
It looks a hell of alot like anyppi to me... based on arm length, the darkness around the eyes suggests glasses, he is known to die his hair orange-ish brown, and that he played protoss in BW!
On March 07 2012 10:23 Propanelol wrote: It looks a hell of alot like anyppi to me... based on arm length, the darkness around the eyes suggests glasses, he is known to die his hair orange-ish brown, and that he played protoss in BW!
That'll make sense, I think he said that he wanted to pursue a career in SC2. Well either him or another KT player that retired
On March 07 2012 10:23 Propanelol wrote: It looks a hell of alot like anyppi to me... based on arm length, the darkness around the eyes suggests glasses, he is known to die his hair orange-ish brown, and that he played protoss in BW!
I'm not sure if I want to fuel this rumor further, but FXOBoss also tweeted:
FXOpen e-Sports @FXOpeneSports An EX BW player of importance, [shield] member is currently playing Starcraft 2 with a korean team.
I tried searching on TLPD for [shield] members.
Other than Sea and Bisu, I don't really see any notable [shield] players other than the ones that have already switched to SC2 like MMA, MKP, SangHo, and HerO. 910, Spear, and JiHyun seem to be the only ones with any slight hint of achievements, though their most recent games are over a year or two ago.
Not trying to nitpick, but FXOboss hasn't backed up any of those statements up with evidence or sources, so I'm not really sure his word is golden in regards to this.
On March 07 2012 10:37 1Eris1 wrote: Not trying to nitpick, but FXOboss hasn't backed up any of those statements up with evidence or sources, so I'm not really sure his word is golden in regards to this.
I have no idea who FXOboss is, but if Nestea and the IM coach say it too it becomes quite credible in my eyes ^^
Plus, say IF Flash (Using him as example just to get my panties in a twist) would be training for SC2 Who do you think KT would hire to train him? The best. Where do the best get trained/play? At IM
Something is going to happen soon, and it is going to be big. The truth is if they transition to SC2, no top pro loses his contract, so that argument is invalid. Anything is possible, and part of it has been confirmed. The question is just how far do the BW teams stand atm.
On March 07 2012 10:55 Perseverance wrote: I would pay big bucks to see Flash Jaedong Bisu and Stork playing SC2 professionally. Them, along with BoXeR, got me interested in eSports.
I owe them my life!
I like SC2 ... but i like much more watching good old Brood War played by these guys, Pro BW players moving here would only mean one thing: the END of televised and pro BW ... so i hope this will never happen.
And honestly ... don't you think seeing Bisu and Flash playing BIG BALL vs BIG BALL would be boring ... for us ... and for them! It would be such a waste of talent if these and the other guys move to SC2 ...
On March 07 2012 10:55 Perseverance wrote: I would pay big bucks to see Flash Jaedong Bisu and Stork playing SC2 professionally. Them, along with BoXeR, got me interested in eSports.
I owe them my life!
I like SC2 ... but i like much more watching good old Brood War played by these guys, Pro BW players moving here would only mean one thing: the END of televised and pro BW ... so i hope this will never happen.
And honestly ... don't you think seeing Bisu and Flash playing BIG BALL vs BIG BALL would be boring ... for us ... and for them! It would be such a waste of talent if these and the other guys move to SC2 ...
You're assuming that the current types of strategies will still be used when the true StarCraft kings swap over
I am sure the meta game would evolve quite a lot if all the top BW players switched over at once.
its not stats, stats has a fucked up hairdo right now. its not bisu because the head proportions do not match. its not wooki because wooki because of his competition with stats for Reach's affection.(ok I'm sort of twisting it about the reach part)
likely a B teamer who dropped out recently.
Also anyone who says KT and IM are merging need to get some facts checked.
KT is way way bigger than IM, if anything KT will outright buyout IM.
On March 07 2012 11:07 BLinD-RawR wrote: its not stats, stats has a fucked up hairdo right now. its not bisu because the head proportions do not match. its not wooki because wooki because of his competition with stats for Reach's affection.(ok I'm sort of twisting it about the reach part)
likely a B teamer who dropped out recently.
Why would they hide a b-teamer's face though, especially if he has dropped out.
On March 07 2012 11:07 BLinD-RawR wrote: its not stats, stats has a fucked up hairdo right now. its not bisu because the head proportions do not match. its not wooki because wooki because of his competition with stats for Reach's affection.(ok I'm sort of twisting it about the reach part)
likely a B teamer who dropped out recently.
Why would they hide a b-teamer's face though, especially if he has dropped out.
that I do not know, I only wanted to make a case for the other 3 and speculated just like others have that it is a B-Teamer.
On March 07 2012 11:07 BLinD-RawR wrote: its not stats, stats has a fucked up hairdo right now. its not bisu because the head proportions do not match. its not wooki because wooki because of his competition with stats for Reach's affection.(ok I'm sort of twisting it about the reach part)
likely a B teamer who dropped out recently.
Why would they hide a b-teamer's face though, especially if he has dropped out.
Maybe he didn't want his face shown, or maybe he's underage, I don't know if there are laws in Korea about having pictures of minors unless their parents give permission.
On March 07 2012 11:21 Ahtiven wrote: That's the God - Flash, all right.
It would kill me inside if it was Flash. Nothing against Starcraft 2 I love the game and nothing against IM but if that was just flash I don't know something wouldn't feel right idk how to explain it.
On March 07 2012 06:04 dani` wrote: IM trolling TL by blurring random player's face, laughs when immediately people think about Flash / Bisu joining IM ^_^
Heh, I think this is what's happening. No reason to get excited until we see real proof of anything worth being excited about.
On March 07 2012 11:07 BLinD-RawR wrote: its not stats, stats has a fucked up hairdo right now. its not bisu because the head proportions do not match. its not wooki because wooki because of his competition with stats for Reach's affection.(ok I'm sort of twisting it about the reach part)
likely a B teamer who dropped out recently.
Also anyone who says KT and IM are merging need to get some facts checked.
KT is way way bigger than IM, if anything KT will outright buyout IM.
I know, it was kind of a joke, but say IF KT wanted to have a good sc2 team, IM would be a great choice. But in that case more likely to see MVP wearing KT stuff than flash in IM stuff.
He's sitting right next to Seed.. the Bisu lookalike plus Bisu is in a slump. IT MUST BE BISUv2!
but seriously, it looks in every way like Flash's body figure... and I wouldn't be surprised if Flash played for IM future (even if this guy isn't him) because Nestea used to coach him and they also have IMMVP.
I think its probably some Brood War A teamer that is not very famous, but has some games under his belt. Probably someone from the older generation like Free.
On March 07 2012 13:31 IronMan3 wrote: I think its probably some Brood War A teamer that is not very famous, but has some games under his belt. Probably someone from the older generation like Free.
probably this someone big enough for it to be big when they show him off but not so big that this itll be easy to figure out who
OMG it's Jaedong!!!!! Haha no seriously though if it is Flash like many seem to suspect that would be epic. Everyone has been talking about the day when the SC:BW gods move over to SC2. Flash being the first to come over would be huge! Either way, no sense in speculating too much until something concrete comes of it.
On March 07 2012 13:57 Achaia wrote: OMG it's Jaedong!!!!! Haha no seriously though if it is Flash like many seem to suspect that would be epic. Everyone has been talking about the day when the SC:BW gods move over to SC2. Flash being the first to come over would be huge! Either way, no sense in speculating too much until something concrete comes of it.
I don't think anyone really thinks its flash. I would hope not anyway, I don't see him leaving KT to join IM. I don't see him leaving BW either until it dies or something, I just don't see any reason why he would want to play SC2 while he's doing so well in bw and getting a very nice salary. It isn't flash, anyone who thinks it is are deluding themselves xD.
Its Anyppi. Compare the photo of the whole team where he is standing at the back to a picture of his face. They blurred his face to cause hype, if they really wanted to hide a team member, they would have never released the picture at all.
On March 07 2012 14:06 Shardz wrote: Is it 100% clear when these photo's were taken? Maybe it was taken before stats got a new haircut.
its not stats.
You don't even answer his question.
it makes no sense, if the picture was taken before the haircut then why is he still playing for KT in proleague?
in fact why would he move to IM a team that would outright refuse to pay him a salary that is equal to or greater than the salary that hes getting right now in KT(6 figures in korean won).
On March 07 2012 11:14 MeFAT wrote: Is anyone friends of the foreign visitor? Just ask them who the player is.
I accompanied Matt to his visit to the IM house. You can see me in one of the pictures holding a camera and wearing an ESET shirt. There was no brood war player in the IM house that day. I suspect the person with the blurred face is IMHorror, and the person in the other picture sitting on the same seat playing protoss is a different player. If I remember the room setup correctly, it was IMSeed. But I'm not certain of that, and quite frankly it doesn't matter at all.
There were TV cameras and official blizzard personalities in the room that day. Most likely some b-teamer didn't want / couldn't have his face on TV.
On March 07 2012 11:14 MeFAT wrote: Is anyone friends of the foreign visitor? Just ask them who the player is.
I accompanied Matt to his visit to the IM house. You can see me in one of the pictures holding a camera and wearing an ESET shirt. There was no brood war player in the IM house that day. I suspect the person with the blurred face is IMHorror, and the person in the other picture sitting on the same seat playing protoss is a different player. If I remember the room setup correctly, it was IMSeed. But I'm not certain of that, and quite frankly it doesn't matter at all.
There were TV cameras and official blizzard personalities in the room that day. Most likely some b-teamer didn't want / couldn't have his face on TV.
On March 07 2012 11:14 MeFAT wrote: Is anyone friends of the foreign visitor? Just ask them who the player is.
I accompanied Matt to his visit to the IM house. You can see me in one of the pictures holding a camera and wearing an ESET shirt. There was no brood war player in the IM house that day. I suspect the person with the blurred face is IMHorror, and the person in the other picture sitting on the same seat playing protoss is a different player. If I remember the room setup correctly, it was IMSeed. But I'm not certain of that, and quite frankly it doesn't matter at all.
There were TV cameras and official blizzard personalities in the room that day. Most likely some b-teamer didn't want / couldn't have his face on TV.
why would a B-Teamer don't want his face in a picture?
On March 07 2012 11:14 MeFAT wrote: Is anyone friends of the foreign visitor? Just ask them who the player is.
I accompanied Matt to his visit to the IM house. You can see me in one of the pictures holding a camera and wearing an ESET shirt. There was no brood war player in the IM house that day. I suspect the person with the blurred face is IMHorror, and the person in the other picture sitting on the same seat playing protoss is a different player. If I remember the room setup correctly, it was IMSeed. But I'm not certain of that, and quite frankly it doesn't matter at all.
There were TV cameras and official blizzard personalities in the room that day. Most likely some b-teamer didn't want / couldn't have his face on TV.
why would a B-Teamer don't want his face in a picture?
Because the internet would probably shit on him for having a pimple in the wrong place or something.
On March 07 2012 11:14 MeFAT wrote: Is anyone friends of the foreign visitor? Just ask them who the player is.
I accompanied Matt to his visit to the IM house. You can see me in one of the pictures holding a camera and wearing an ESET shirt. There was no brood war player in the IM house that day. I suspect the person with the blurred face is IMHorror, and the person in the other picture sitting on the same seat playing protoss is a different player. If I remember the room setup correctly, it was IMSeed. But I'm not certain of that, and quite frankly it doesn't matter at all.
There were TV cameras and official blizzard personalities in the room that day. Most likely some b-teamer didn't want / couldn't have his face on TV.
Seed is clearly visable in both pictures on the PC second from right. He has much darker hair.
On March 07 2012 11:14 MeFAT wrote: Is anyone friends of the foreign visitor? Just ask them who the player is.
I accompanied Matt to his visit to the IM house. You can see me in one of the pictures holding a camera and wearing an ESET shirt. There was no brood war player in the IM house that day. I suspect the person with the blurred face is IMHorror, and the person in the other picture sitting on the same seat playing protoss is a different player. If I remember the room setup correctly, it was IMSeed. But I'm not certain of that, and quite frankly it doesn't matter at all.
There were TV cameras and official blizzard personalities in the room that day. Most likely some b-teamer didn't want / couldn't have his face on TV.
On March 07 2012 11:14 MeFAT wrote: Is anyone friends of the foreign visitor? Just ask them who the player is.
I accompanied Matt to his visit to the IM house. You can see me in one of the pictures holding a camera and wearing an ESET shirt. There was no brood war player in the IM house that day. I suspect the person with the blurred face is IMHorror, and the person in the other picture sitting on the same seat playing protoss is a different player. If I remember the room setup correctly, it was IMSeed. But I'm not certain of that, and quite frankly it doesn't matter at all.
There were TV cameras and official blizzard personalities in the room that day. Most likely some b-teamer didn't want / couldn't have his face on TV.
why would a B-Teamer don't want his face in a picture?
Because the internet would probably shit on him for having a pimple in the wrong place or something.
On March 07 2012 14:06 Shardz wrote: Is it 100% clear when these photo's were taken? Maybe it was taken before stats got a new haircut.
its not stats.
You don't even answer his question.
it makes no sense, if the picture was taken before the haircut then why is he still playing for KT in proleague?
in fact why would he move to IM a team that would outright refuse to pay him a salary that is equal to or greater than the salary that hes getting right now in KT(6 figures in korean won).
What makes you think IM have to be paying this individual? What if he just wants to practice SC2? So many possibilities right now as to who it could be so better just be patient and wait for some solid evidence to come through.
On March 07 2012 11:14 MeFAT wrote: Is anyone friends of the foreign visitor? Just ask them who the player is.
I accompanied Matt to his visit to the IM house. You can see me in one of the pictures holding a camera and wearing an ESET shirt. There was no brood war player in the IM house that day. I suspect the person with the blurred face is IMHorror, and the person in the other picture sitting on the same seat playing protoss is a different player. If I remember the room setup correctly, it was IMSeed. But I'm not certain of that, and quite frankly it doesn't matter at all.
There were TV cameras and official blizzard personalities in the room that day. Most likely some b-teamer didn't want / couldn't have his face on TV.
The story... is too perfect to be true... sounds like a cover up.
Go to 5:10, it's another shot of our guy... you can almost see his face
that video is from April of 2011, we are probably looking for a recently switched BW pro, with an announcement pending. and by pending, I don't mean 11 months pending.
Maybe they blurred out that person's face because he is under 18, and there might be legal issues with putting his image on the web without his parents' permission.
On March 07 2012 15:20 jsemmens wrote: Maybe they blurred out that person's face because he is under 18, and there might be legal issues with putting his image on the web without his parents' permission.
I highly doubt it.. the legal age for consent is like 14 or something like that... and that's in Kr years.
On March 07 2012 15:39 Kamais Ookin wrote: Why are people acting like I'm being insulting?! I'm just pointing out that the guy looks like Naniwa to me, grow some skin guys...
Doesn't look like Naninwa though. I understand it was a joke but it was a pretty lame one :p (but not really offensive or anything)
On March 07 2012 15:39 Kamais Ookin wrote: Why are people acting like I'm being insulting?! I'm just pointing out that the guy looks like Naniwa to me, grow some skin guys...
Doesn't look like Naninwa though. I understand it was a joke but it was a pretty lame one :p (but not really offensive or anything)
Well sheesh, not everyone can make masterful funny posts like this: + Show Spoiler +
On March 07 2012 15:53 Grobyc wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, but is there some reason people are thinking he might be an current/ex-KT player over any other team?
Definitely doesn't look like Bisu or Flash though.
If I had to guess I'd say because of Nestea's old connections with KT, and the blurriness somewhat resembling a few KT players. That aside, I wouldn't have the slightest clue.
On March 07 2012 11:14 MeFAT wrote: Is anyone friends of the foreign visitor? Just ask them who the player is.
I accompanied Matt to his visit to the IM house. You can see me in one of the pictures holding a camera and wearing an ESET shirt. There was no brood war player in the IM house that day. I suspect the person with the blurred face is IMHorror, and the person in the other picture sitting on the same seat playing protoss is a different player. If I remember the room setup correctly, it was IMSeed. But I'm not certain of that, and quite frankly it doesn't matter at all.
There were TV cameras and official blizzard personalities in the room that day. Most likely some b-teamer didn't want / couldn't have his face on TV.
The story... is too perfect to be true... sounds like a cover up.
So first u say it's IMHorror, then u say it's IMSeed and then u think it's "most likely" some b-teamer? I smell troll and besides IMSeed is visible on half the pics
Chuck Norris! I dont really think that they would risk a leak of players like Flash or Bisu switching. It would be a PR desaster to announce that by a simple photo and simple research like he was seen in the same town/street/country near the IM house. in my opinion there are 3 options:
1. They are just trolling us and its Losira 2. Promotion for the movie/dokumentary whatever the cameraguys are doing 3. Just a B - Teamer of another SC2 Team which is not yet announced, maybe because of a "dont promote another team after leaving us" part of his last contract.
There was a picture of the guys face on the previous page, apparently it's anyppi. I didn't follow BW when he played so I can't confirm other than it looked pretty much exactly like every picture i have seen of him.
ok you are a big troll.. thats is bisu , but thats fake obviously..
Stop the non sense and let IM explain ...
Saying its a BW pro is an insult , im a SC2 fan , i dont follow BW but no pro player that has a contract with a team would be playing on IM house with their shirt with Proleague going strong.
Its like Leonel Messi training with another club...
On March 07 2012 11:14 MeFAT wrote: Is anyone friends of the foreign visitor? Just ask them who the player is.
I accompanied Matt to his visit to the IM house. You can see me in one of the pictures holding a camera and wearing an ESET shirt. There was no brood war player in the IM house that day. I suspect the person with the blurred face is IMHorror, and the person in the other picture sitting on the same seat playing protoss is a different player. If I remember the room setup correctly, it was IMSeed. But I'm not certain of that, and quite frankly it doesn't matter at all.
There were TV cameras and official blizzard personalities in the room that day. Most likely some b-teamer didn't want / couldn't have his face on TV.
edit: oh, I get it. No idea who might be. Interesting that they'd go so far to blur his face. Well, it's always possible that whatever was discussed with this player remained unofficial and, say, he didn't accept the offer, so we might never know.
This thread got all off balanced. It is obviously Elky in a flash wig as to disguise his identity until they release him on the GSL. He finally said fuck it I'm rich let's get back to starcraft.
I highly doubt it's any current BW player, they are all currently contracted with BW teams and playing in Proleague.
I'm 90% sure that BW player contracts don't permit this kind of action, although I guess it is possible there is an agreement between one of the BW teams and IM for a player to practice with the IM team. And if you're making assumptions then it's not a long shot for him to simply have an IM jersey from spending time with the team. But if he's not on the team why would he be wearing it at a photo shoot (on a day where everyone is mandatory wearing the jerseys, because of the photo shoot. There have been other instances of IM players during practice times and they wear "street clothes").
So this whole line of thinking just kinda leads you in a circle. I still doubt it's a BW pro. But speculation is fun!
On March 08 2012 13:37 TheyCallMePops wrote: I highly doubt it's any current BW player, they are all currently contracted with BW teams and playing in Proleague.
I'm 90% sure that BW player contracts don't permit this kind of action, although I guess it is possible there is an agreement between one of the BW teams and IM for a player to practice with the IM team. And if you're making assumptions then it's not a long shot for him to simply have an IM jersey from spending time with the team. But if he's not on the team why would he be wearing it at a photo shoot (on a day where everyone is mandatory wearing the jerseys, because of the photo shoot. There have been other instances of IM players during practice times and they wear "street clothes").
So this whole line of thinking just kinda leads you in a circle. I still doubt it's a BW pro. But speculation is fun!
Fun indeed! Plus if the BW teams are switching like we know, there would be no surprise in IM training some of them, since they have produced the best players. Plus it could not be flash or bisu since this guy wears glasses if our detective skills are legit ^^ But either way in a couple weeks from now we should have some big teams announcing their sc2 players!
The guy that went to the house posted 2 pics of his face a few pages back and 2 people immediately commented that it was anyppi. I was thinking why he would put up pics of the guy when it was censored out in the first ones but then he removed them immediately afterwards...suspicious.
On March 08 2012 07:19 LayZRR wrote: cause somebody always have to come up with it: sAviOr
He will return but for fuck sake, not as toss.
you really think he will return? what he did in the korean community will probably never be forgotten, or forgiven. a life ban from starcraft doesnt mean "take a few years off and come back later"
On March 08 2012 07:19 LayZRR wrote: cause somebody always have to come up with it: sAviOr
He will return but for fuck sake, not as toss.
you really think he will return? what he did in the korean community will probably never be forgotten, or forgiven. a life ban from starcraft doesnt mean "take a few years off and come back later"
are you really that stupid? you realize how much hype would it get if he would switch to sc2? that would be like even bigger when boxer and nada switched, he is banned from kespa shit not from sc2, if any foreighn team would recruit him starcraft2 in korea would sky rocket
On March 08 2012 07:19 LayZRR wrote: cause somebody always have to come up with it: sAviOr
He will return but for fuck sake, not as toss.
you really think he will return? what he did in the korean community will probably never be forgotten, or forgiven. a life ban from starcraft doesnt mean "take a few years off and come back later"
are you really that stupid? you realize how much hype would it get if he would switch to sc2? that would be like even bigger when boxer and nada switched, he is banned from kespa shit not from sc2, if any foreighn team would recruit him starcraft2 in korea would sky rocket
Uh, more likely the Koreans would boycott that team for doing something completely retarded. They take match-fixing really seriously. They fucking chewed up CoCa and Byun for something completely negligible in comparison. GSL has already stated their upholding SaviOr's ban in Starcraft 2, and no one who knows anything about the scene would let him into any foreign teams if they want any sort of presence in Korea. It's sad, I want to see him play, but it's not going to happen.
I don't understand how u can get a lifetime ban for getting caught the first time. It's a joke imo, 1-2 years ok but a lifetime ban is too much for the first offence plus it were only a couple of games for most of the banned people, not like they were selling OSL & MSL titles..
On March 08 2012 20:33 GIhi wrote: I don't understand how u can get a lifetime ban for getting caught the first time. It's a joke imo, 1-2 years ok but a lifetime ban is too much for the first offence plus it were only a couple of games for most of the banned people, not like they were selling OSL & MSL titles..
exactly. i recommend you go youtube a few saviour vids with subtitles or go read up the past, and take into the consideration the impact it had on sc1 and esports in korea.
to the other person that called me an idiot....... theres just no point responding.. dw
On March 08 2012 20:33 GIhi wrote: I don't understand how u can get a lifetime ban for getting caught the first time. It's a joke imo, 1-2 years ok but a lifetime ban is too much for the first offence plus it were only a couple of games for most of the banned people, not like they were selling OSL & MSL titles..
Because they don't want to give them the chance to get caught the second time. It's their leagues; they don't want cheaters. Simple as that ^^
On March 08 2012 20:33 GIhi wrote: I don't understand how u can get a lifetime ban for getting caught the first time. It's a joke imo, 1-2 years ok but a lifetime ban is too much for the first offence plus it were only a couple of games for most of the banned people, not like they were selling OSL & MSL titles..
exactly. i recommend you go youtube a few saviour vids with subtitles or go read up the past, and take into the consideration the impact it had on sc1 and esports in korea.
to the other person that called me an idiot....... theres just no point responding.. dw
It's not "being caught the first time" it's "bringing other players to match-fixing and acting as a broker/dealer of shady, thrown games." not the same. It was not an error cause he was young, as in coca/Byun, it was running a business with betting sites which were fucking shady themselves. Totally different. Don't talk like you know please.
On March 08 2012 20:33 GIhi wrote: I don't understand how u can get a lifetime ban for getting caught the first time. It's a joke imo, 1-2 years ok but a lifetime ban is too much for the first offence plus it were only a couple of games for most of the banned people, not like they were selling OSL & MSL titles..
Because they don't want to give them the chance to get caught the second time. It's their leagues; they don't want cheaters. Simple as that ^^
I don't believe in 999th chances, but I do believe in second chances since u can only learn from your mistakes. Savior defined zerg in his days, he was alone at the top. Achievements should be taken in consideration. Imagine Flash got banned for life for fixing a match. I would be ok with him being banned for x months but a lifetime? Hell no. I want to see Flash play and dominate, talent is rare and although they shouldn't be given a special treatment, I think a second chance in another game is more than reasonable. I'd also like to see UpMagic return, he was planning to but I guess GOM rather listens to Kespa, which is perfectly understandable and needed for a bright future of BW coming to SC2. Only Kespa could ever allow a comeback I guess
On March 08 2012 07:19 LayZRR wrote: cause somebody always have to come up with it: sAviOr
He will return but for fuck sake, not as toss.
you really think he will return? what he did in the korean community will probably never be forgotten, or forgiven. a life ban from starcraft doesnt mean "take a few years off and come back later"
are you really that stupid? you realize how much hype would it get if he would switch to sc2? that would be like even bigger when boxer and nada switched, he is banned from kespa shit not from sc2, if any foreighn team would recruit him starcraft2 in korea would sky rocket
lol you cant be further from the truth, savior would only bring bad reputation to any team because they know what he did and people won't forgive him for it.
Teams disbanding, MBC game shutting down and loss of sponsors all have the match fixing scandal as a primary reason.
I cringe everytime people even suggest savior in any form of professional esports....hell hes(and other match fixers) not even allowed in the sonic starleague(BW semi pro league) because its got big attention now which includes pro casters from OGN.
also from what I understand he doesn't even have an interest in SC2.
sAviOr has a taste in money and I can see a team like EG picking him up for absurd money and get him in all the international events. But I doubt that'll happen since it still hasn't happened after over a year of SC2 esports and EG isn't exactly known for patience.
On March 08 2012 07:19 LayZRR wrote: cause somebody always have to come up with it: sAviOr
He will return but for fuck sake, not as toss.
you really think he will return? what he did in the korean community will probably never be forgotten, or forgiven. a life ban from starcraft doesnt mean "take a few years off and come back later"
are you really that stupid? you realize how much hype would it get if he would switch to sc2? that would be like even bigger when boxer and nada switched, he is banned from kespa shit not from sc2, if any foreighn team would recruit him starcraft2 in korea would sky rocket
Savior reminds me of the White Sox in the early 1900s. Shoeless Joe and the Gang. So much talent. Such a shame. Honestly, there is a difference between betting and match-fixing. If savior only bet using his knowledge of the players that's ok by me. Vis a vis, Pete Rose, he should not be banned lifetime for that. However, savior did try to match-fix (to my knowledge), so you won't be seeing him anymore and for good reason. A shame nevertheless.
From what I understood BW players are banned from playing SC2 while under KeSPA contract, however if they want to switch to SC2 at some point, which is reasonable to assume, then they could have removed this restriction.
A player training with IM doesn't indicate he is on IM, just look at the partnerships between EG and Slayers or oGs and TL, a BW team could make a similar partnership to have their pro players ready for the SC2 switch, KT is most likely as has been suggested because NesTea used to be a coach for KT.
As for why the player is wearing the IM jersey, well when the camera crew came they probably gave him a shirt to disguise him. If the camera crew had come along and taken pictures of someone in a KT shirt all of us in this thread would be all over it like monkeys over bananas.
Anyway, looking forward to what you guys dig up next, oh and the enhanced picture was golden!
On April 15 2012 23:21 Luepert wrote: IDK if this is worth a bumo but I'll risk it, IM's facebook released 2 more pics with pixilized faces and I don't think they are IMFirst.
On March 08 2012 21:48 tyCe wrote: sAviOr has a taste in money and I can see a team like EG picking him up for absurd money and get him in all the international events. But I doubt that'll happen since it still hasn't happened after over a year of SC2 esports and EG isn't exactly known for patience.
Good luck having Savior being able to participate in any esports events. No self-respecting esports organization would even tolerate his presence.
On April 15 2012 23:21 Luepert wrote: IDK if this is worth a bumo but I'll risk it, IM's facebook released 2 more pics with pixilized faces and I don't think they are IMFirst.
On April 15 2012 23:21 Luepert wrote: IDK if this is worth a bumo but I'll risk it, IM's facebook released 2 more pics with pixilized faces and I don't think they are IMFirst.
On April 15 2012 23:21 Luepert wrote: IDK if this is worth a bumo but I'll risk it, IM's facebook released 2 more pics with pixilized faces and I don't think they are IMFirst.
The one in the second picture is definitely (well maybe 99%) MVP's GF because of the body positioning and MVP's posture in response. IDK about the one next to NesTea though.
Seriously, I am constantly amazed how those progamers manage the snag the hottest looking gals. Most Korean girls absolutely loathe anything video game related. Inb4 BW girls because they pretty much have been following the scene since almost a decade ago.
Yeah they're definitely girls. Probably Nestea and Mvp's girlfriends. You can see from the shots where they're faces are not pixelated that the two people seated next to them have long hairs and feminine faces.
honestly it doesn't look like wookie http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/P7GABhttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/P7GAB unless that pic in his wiki is old hes kinda too scrawny
On March 08 2012 21:48 tyCe wrote: sAviOr has a taste in money and I can see a team like EG picking him up for absurd money and get him in all the international events. But I doubt that'll happen since it still hasn't happened after over a year of SC2 esports and EG isn't exactly known for patience.
I can guarantee that noone in the EG house would be ok with that. Plus, with Alex Garfield's and Sir Scoots' involvement with esports in general and stances on issues, they wouldn't either. The stereotype of EG being headhunters is getting really old.
For a moment though, I really did think it was Bisu. I'm just slightly disappoint now =/
to clarify a picture with a girl blurred out on a IM team picture, its MVP's girlfriend, she apperantly doesn't want to be known. mvp has not really gave any information about her in interviews so he wants to keep her unknown. oh well
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