Agreed. If people don't like the caster's attitudes, they're not being forced to watch it. It's the casters choice to do and say what they want. While it may not be the best choice as far as attracting viewers to call people stream cheaters, etc, ultimately it is Playhem's choice.

Provocateur

Sweden1665 Posts

February 29 2012 00:29 GMT

#682

Drawing the conclusion that the entire Playhem organization is terrible and shouldn't be watched due to one person's actions is really silly. Katu made a mistake and took his trolling too far but that is definitely not a reason to say you shouldn't watch playhem again, the casts are most of the time quite nice and so is the level of play. For what it's worth Dragon has probably gained more positive things from this incident than negative ones, he was right back in today's daily so I doubt he feels very traumatized by the whole thing.

SwizzY

United States1549 Posts

February 29 2012 00:30 GMT

#683

Definitely think that the OP was just a tad sensationalized over the Dragon comments, but casters should also take a seminar in PR to realize that you don't fuck with your main client base EVER.

Dragon does have past history as a cheater. Katu did not come across as a troll until maybe his 2nd or 3rd wave of comments, meaning he let his comments sink in to feel as if he really was accusing Dragon (unintentional, but nevertheless his fault entirely). Dragon's play against that ling/roach all-in was indeed suspicious.... TO US. He is a semi-pro gamer. He opens 3 CC in TvZ STANDARD. He knows how to tailor his sim-city/BO to account for those all-ins, especially on Daybreak(?). To him it's standard. To us, we can't see how Dragon would react in such a perfect manner.

Perspective, people. Perspective.

ahbeez

56 Posts

February 29 2012 00:36 GMT

#684

On February 29 2012 09:26 Orracle wrote:

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I think the problem with this logic is that if people actually enjoy watching playhem but have a problem with something specific (in this case a caster/katu) then why shouldn't they voice their opinion? I think if there is a problem with a product, but the problem can be addressed, then why should people stay silent and ignore it if it could be fixed and benefit playhem and the viewers.

Sein

United States1811 Posts

February 29 2012 00:37 GMT

#685

On February 29 2012 08:19 Endall wrote:

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It actually isn't a fact. All he is guilty of so far is using a smurf account. There was never punishment or admission of him stream cheating. If you know something the rest of us don't know then please link your sources.

About a few months ago, I started hearing "Dragon never actually admitted to stream-cheating, so it's not a proven fact that he cheated" in the foreign community. I'm not sure where it originated from.

As someone who has closely followed that incident when it happened around a year and a half ago, I can tell you that it is widely accepted in Korea that he did stream cheat. You're going to have a hard time finding someone over there who believes otherwise. And why is that?

1. WeRRa's officially apologized on PlayXP for the "Seo Yeon-Ji/Ear Hacking" (That's what they call stream cheating in Korea) incident. They said that they are very sorry for Mio's wrongdoings and also the fact that the WeRRa members blindly defended him against the accusations before Mio finally admitted it. They said that Mio was kicked out of the clan as his punishment.

2. Mio had said in his apology post that he would never even dream of competing in tournaments, broadcasted matches, or becoming a progamer. However, about a month later, he was on GSL R64 playing against Nestea. After the match, he posted another apology post on PlayXP, saying that he is sorry for not keeping his promise that he made after stream cheating

3. He continued to upload some of his replays on PlayXP, and him vs IdrA was one of those replays. He started that post by saying "Hello. I'm very sorry for stream cheating".

What has not been confirmed is whether or not he was also using maphack. I'm fine with giving the guy a second chance, but people need to stop distorting what happened.

zefreak

United States2731 Posts

February 29 2012 00:50 GMT

#686

Agreed, I think most of his fans accept that as what happened. Thanks for the additional details.

Shardz

United States349 Posts

February 29 2012 00:53 GMT

#687

I think that this is pretty ridiculous that casters should be punished like this, especially in such a small tournament. I would want a community where its very casual all the time and if these types of things get blown out of proportion. If you don't like the cast, don't watch it. I found it pretty funny and I'm a dragon fan lol, I hope that casters aren't afraid to make jokes and troll the audience as long as they make it clear that they are trolling.

GatorGar

Somalia77 Posts

February 29 2012 00:58 GMT

#688

Poll: Nowww have you forgiven Katu?

No. (25)

45%

Yes. (21)

38%

I'm going to piss on his grave. (8)

14%

My posts are disputing facts that other users have posted. My beef is primarily with those users. (2)

4%

56 total votes

Your vote: Nowww have you forgiven Katu?

(Vote): Yes.
(Vote): No.
(Vote): I'm going to piss on his grave.
(Vote): My posts are disputing facts that other users have posted. My beef is primarily with those users.

Joedaddy

United States1948 Posts

February 29 2012 00:59 GMT

#689

After listening to the commentary I sincerely doubt that the Katu is sorry for anything other than his "boss" being woke up at 3am to deal with the shit storm he created. I read Katu's apology. I am not impressed.

Catatonic

United States699 Posts

February 29 2012 01:01 GMT

#690

Classy move w/ Playhem to make amends though

grtgrt1

76 Posts

February 29 2012 01:02 GMT

#691

Who the hell is Katu?

User was warned for this post

Cokefreak

Finland8095 Posts

February 29 2012 01:03 GMT

#692

On February 29 2012 10:02 grtgrt1 wrote:
Who the hell is Katu?

Read before making a useless post.

.Aar

2177 Posts

February 29 2012 01:04 GMT

#693

Idiotic moves from Katu. He's very lucky that Ryan's got money to throw around. Don't understand why he'd bother keeping Katu around after this but I guess with a full freakin' sponsorship he gets some leeway.

BlazeTSR

United States218 Posts

February 29 2012 01:06 GMT

#694

I think the way Playhem is handling the situation is very professional at this moment. You can't completely blame a guy for a mistake when he's only human.

BlazeTSR

United States218 Posts

February 29 2012 01:06 GMT

#695

On February 29 2012 10:03 Cokefreak wrote:

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Read before making a useless post.

Katu is a caster for PlayhemTV and does many of the daily casts.

Arkless

Canada1547 Posts

February 29 2012 01:10 GMT

#696

Sigh, another over sensitive post, from someone with only 6 posts. I think you need to calm down, and take the comments within context. They are commenting on what they see, and had clearly said everything within speculation. It wasn't malicious, and I doubt dragon would have taken it as such. Comments about why dragon is banned and not on slayers anymore is common knowledge. Instead of pissing on the casters for a comment, maybe he shouldn't have cheated to begin with and this wouldn't be an issue? So get over it, and stop being so sensitive.

EDIT: <-------- Biggest dragon fan, him and ForGG are the only streams i watch these days.

Yaki

France4234 Posts

February 29 2012 01:13 GMT

#697

Forgive your enemy but remember that bastard's name.

OtoshimonoU

United States509 Posts

February 29 2012 01:14 GMT

#698

People make mistakes, I'm sure he and many will learn from this drama.

zefreak

United States2731 Posts

February 29 2012 01:16 GMT

#699

On February 29 2012 10:10 Arkless wrote:
Sigh, another over sensitive post, from someone with only 6 posts. I think you need to calm down, and take the comments within context. They are commenting on what they see, and had clearly said everything within speculation. It wasn't malicious, and I doubt dragon would have taken it as such. Comments about why dragon is banned and not on slayers anymore is common knowledge. Instead of pissing on the casters for a comment, maybe he shouldn't have cheated to begin with and this wouldn't be an issue? So get over it, and stop being so sensitive.

EDIT: <-------- Biggest dragon fan, him and ForGG are the only streams i watch these days.

Dragon is neither banner nor removed from slayers due to cheating. That's the biggest problem I have with what was said, some of it isn't even true! Now everyone thinks Dragon was booted from slayers for being a cheater, when its not true. GG.

scribe123456

United States43 Posts

February 29 2012 01:18 GMT

#700

at 4:21:23 in the video posted on the op, katu appologized for his comments saying that his trolling got out of hand and he was sorry...learn to forgive and forget children.