MLG has recently been made aware that four of the Korean players who are competing in the Winter Arena, namely FXOLeenock, FXOz, IMMvp, and oGsTheStc, have been scheduled to play in GSL Code A on the night of Tuesday, February 28. The GSL schedule has all four players slated to play before their flights back from the Arena land in Seoul. Unfortunately, the detailed match schedule does not appear to have been announced before the players left Seoul.
The players have told us that they were not informed of the actual match schedule before they left Seoul, and that they only became aware of this development when they landed here in NYC. They immediately informed us, and we began trying to work things out.
The careers and well-being of all of our players are of utmost importance to us and are the first thing we take into consideration. To ensure that they can have the best possible experience at the Arena without affecting their Code A matches, we have booked new flights back to Korea for all four players. We have spoken to all the players and their teams to let them know of the new flight schedule.
Their new flights should arrive in Korea well in advance of the time the players need to be home for their Code A matches. It will, however, mean that the players will miss the MLG Winter Arena post-event celebration. We wish them the best of luck during this Winter Arena and will miss the opportunity to get to know them better after the event.
now people will find a new way to complain about MLG and how they're being ripped off because leenock isn't going to be able to accept his trophy. i really hope the community can take this for what it is, and that it is not a crazy big deal.
That's a bit ugly but looks like it got taken care of accordingly(good job MLG). Kind of surprised they didn't know the time of their matches before hand, or that their team didn't check out their player's scheduling... I mean if MLG didn't go out of their way to get them new tickets it would be kind of costly.
Meh..... GSL should've done what they did with Bomber vs Rainbow. Have the matches played beforehand and then cast the replays. Not the most exciting way but at least the players don't feel time pressed
On February 25 2012 06:40 Charger wrote: Is it weird they only get a few days notice before their code A matches or is this how it's always been?
Code A has been scheduled for this week for ages (exact same format as last time in terms of when matches happen), I guess perhaps they thought they'd be playing later in the week or something.
On February 25 2012 06:43 Special Endrey wrote: couple of thousands of dollars extra due to misscommunication
How so? The players are missing just the post-celebration party. Generally with plane tickets, you're able to change the flights without an issue for most airlines.
At least they were willing and able to fix it, and try to repair some their image that they've thrown in the trash. Would hate to see those Korean players punished over something like that.
On February 25 2012 06:43 Special Endrey wrote: couple of thousands of dollars extra due to misscommunication
How so? The players are missing just the post-celebration party. Generally with plane tickets, you're able to change the flights without an issue for most airlines.
what airlines are those? You usually have to pay quite a bit to change flights, especially last minute like this.
On February 25 2012 06:43 Special Endrey wrote: couple of thousands of dollars extra due to misscommunication
How so? The players are missing just the post-celebration party. Generally with plane tickets, you're able to change the flights without an issue for most airlines.
what airlines are those? You usually have to pay quite a bit to change flights, especially last minute like this.
buisnesses usually have a bit more leeway than private people.
Not sure how many tickets a year MLG bought, but for example the buisness where i work usually buys around 200 tickets from vienna to brussels a year. About 50 of those need to be moved 1-2 days around at last minute. As long as the airline has the room to move us they usually have no problem, we pay about 30$ administration fees for the booking change.
Obviously the situation isn't perfectly comparable, Vienna-brussels is 6 flights a day route and almost none of them are fully booked. MLG probably had to pay some kind of fee to get the new tickets, but it shouldn't be in the thousands of dollars range.
Sometimes I wonder if GSL is purposedly making their schedule to mess up their players who travel to international tournaments... It's not the first time this kinda stuff happens and it's not like it would be difficult for them to take better care of their players by just scheduling accordingly.
In any case, good move by MLG! I'm sure you won some points with the koreans.
On February 25 2012 07:06 CursedFeanor wrote: Sometimes I wonder if GSL is purposedly making their schedule to mess up their players who travel to international tournaments... It's not the first time this kinda stuff happens and it's not like it would be difficult for them to take better care of their players by just scheduling accordingly.
In any case, good move by MLG! I'm sure you won some points with the koreans.
I don't understand how you can blame GSL for all of this. They had everyday of 2012 planned for what match was going to be shown that day. It's neither tournaments fault.
On February 25 2012 06:43 Special Endrey wrote: couple of thousands of dollars extra due to misscommunication
How so? The players are missing just the post-celebration party. Generally with plane tickets, you're able to change the flights without an issue for most airlines.
what airlines are those? You usually have to pay quite a bit to change flights, especially last minute like this.
buisnesses usually have a bit more leeway than private people.
Not sure how many tickets a year MLG bought, but for example the buisness where i work usually buys around 200 tickets from vienna to brussels a year. About 50 of those need to be moved 1-2 days around at last minute. As long as the airline has the room to move us they usually have no problem, we pay about 30$ administration fees for the booking change.
Obviously the situation isn't perfectly comparable, Vienna-brussels is 6 flights a day route and almost none of them are fully booked. MLG probably had to pay some kind of fee to get the new tickets, but it shouldn't be in the thousands of dollars range.
Getting non-stop JFK -> Incheon tickets is quite a bit different. It's not like they're a large company.
On February 25 2012 07:06 CursedFeanor wrote: Sometimes I wonder if GSL is purposedly making their schedule to mess up their players who travel to international tournaments... It's not the first time this kinda stuff happens and it's not like it would be difficult for them to take better care of their players by just scheduling accordingly.
In any case, good move by MLG! I'm sure you won some points with the koreans.
Their matches have been planned for pretty much the entire GSL season
I guess this counters the fact that MLG scheduled their Winter Arena the same weekend as Assembly, affecting the viewer count of Assembly and also, probably, the players.
On February 25 2012 07:14 karpo wrote: I guess this counters the fact that MLG scheduled their Winter Arena the same weekend as Assembly, affecting the viewer count of Assembly and also, probably, the players.
.... WTF? Assembly isn't on when MLG is on, and vice versa. How does that affect the viewers?
On February 25 2012 07:14 karpo wrote: I guess this counters the fact that MLG scheduled their Winter Arena the same weekend as Assembly, affecting the viewer count of Assembly and also, probably, the players.
They are on at different times. And if anything its worse for MLG than assembly.
On February 25 2012 07:06 CursedFeanor wrote: Sometimes I wonder if GSL is purposedly making their schedule to mess up their players who travel to international tournaments... It's not the first time this kinda stuff happens and it's not like it would be difficult for them to take better care of their players by just scheduling accordingly.
In any case, good move by MLG! I'm sure you won some points with the koreans.
I don't understand how you can blame GSL for all of this. They had everyday of 2012 planned for what match was going to be shown that day. It's neither tournaments fault.
No, GSL doesn't.
I'm guessing that the Koreans pros thought that they were going to play later on in the week. They didn't know the exact date they would be playing until today.
This is all GSL's fault imo. I don't think MLG should be paying the price. MLG is going to lose a big amount of coverage, and changing flights will cost MLG a lot of extra money too.
I guess I'm glad that the pros are getting taken care of. But lets be real, the extra costs that MLG's accrues from this are going to be dumped on us already paying customers. And they will cite this as another reason to support a terrible PPV ticketing system.
Is this thread specifically for collecting attaboys and pats-on-the-head?
Good job MLG, but I don't understand why this should be a thread on TL and not a press release on MLG. If this is meant to distract from the Gold Member fiasco, well, we'll see how much goodwill a few plane tickets buy you.
I think GSL should have rescheduled the players code A games. MKP plays on the last day, while these 4 play on the first day. Just pull matches from the other days to replace them. Not sure why GSL didn't want to do that as it doesn't really make a difference when the players play to the viewers. It's not like people are going, oh man I can't wait to see MVP play on the first day, instead of the last day like MKP.
On February 25 2012 07:14 karpo wrote: I guess this counters the fact that MLG scheduled their Winter Arena the same weekend as Assembly, affecting the viewer count of Assembly and also, probably, the players.
They are on at different times. And if anything its worse for MLG than assembly.
Yup, assembly is on at a very EU friendly time period it seems. EU viewer count OP
Damn that sucks but good move by MLG. OZ seems like one of the players that would really get loose during a party and have a good time. Maybe it would have been the same for mvp and TheSTC though to, who knows :/
On February 25 2012 07:23 YMCApylons wrote: Is this thread specifically for collecting attaboys and pats-on-the-head?
Good job MLG, but I don't understand why this should be a thread on TL and not a press release on MLG. If this is meant to distract from the Gold Member fiasco, well, we'll see how much goodwill a few plane tickets buy you.
Wouldn't a "press release" do that SAME THING you are talking about ? Oh wait, it would. So WHY does it matter?
On February 25 2012 07:26 Canucklehead wrote: I think GSL should have rescheduled the players code A games. MKP plays on the last day, while these 4 play on the first day. Just pull matches from the other days to replace them. Not sure why GSL didn't want to do that as it doesn't really make a difference when the players play to the viewers. It's not like people are going, oh man I can't wait to see MVP play on the first day, instead of the last day like MKP.
I don't know why the GSL didn't just alter the schedule slightly. The code A matches are being played 4 matches per day on the Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday of next week, with 7 of the 12 games featuring a player from the next round or code A (on a side note its awesome that of the 12 Koreans at the event 7 are still alive in code A and 3 are guaranteed code S next season already).
In the first day of the next round of code A all the matches feature a player at MLG, couldn't GOM have just moved 4 of the 5 matches where the players aren't playing at MLG into the first day. I mean its great that MLG helped them out so quickly, but they're still going to be exhausted on match day.
Agree that GSL should have rescheduled the affected matches. It's happened before with foreigners when they arrive late. Sad that the 4 players miss out on the post finals celebration.
I don't think it's GSL's fault. I think it's the players' faults for assuming they'd play later in the week. They should have asked or made a request for that.
On February 25 2012 07:23 YMCApylons wrote: Is this thread specifically for collecting attaboys and pats-on-the-head?
Good job MLG, but I don't understand why this should be a thread on TL and not a press release on MLG. If this is meant to distract from the Gold Member fiasco, well, we'll see how much goodwill a few plane tickets buy you.
Telling people some players can't make the post event celebration. Read the op next time
well if MLG is charging $20 a pop for the well being of the players then it's just a PR move, a good PR move but one none the less. I just remember sundance was telling us that this arena makes it easier on the teams and players and if they had done anything but this then we'd bring out the pitchforks again.
and about them missing the post tournament bullcrap... meh, it's flashy bullcrap that makes esports look authentic but is really pointless. I always turn off the stream right after I see the final GG.
On February 25 2012 07:06 CursedFeanor wrote: Sometimes I wonder if GSL is purposedly making their schedule to mess up their players who travel to international tournaments... It's not the first time this kinda stuff happens and it's not like it would be difficult for them to take better care of their players by just scheduling accordingly.
In any case, good move by MLG! I'm sure you won some points with the koreans.
I don't understand how you can blame GSL for all of this. They had everyday of 2012 planned for what match was going to be shown that day. It's neither tournaments fault.
No, GSL doesn't.
I'm guessing that the Koreans pros thought that they were going to play later on in the week. They didn't know the exact date they would be playing until today.
It definitely is not GSL's fault, nor is it MLG's fault. GSL has made it known that their Code A matches occur on the Monday and Tuesday night of each week. In a sense, one could argue it is MLG's fault for not knowing ahead of time when Leenock would be playing. Furthermore, it would be best if Code A were played out before the finals of GSL's Code S.
In all honesty, I am very pleased with what MLG chose to do. It does what THEY have claimed to be best at. They are showing us why they are a premier league, not just for their spectacular prize pools and competition, but also for making sure the players are really well taken care of.
tl;dr: MLG is awesome and neither league is to blame for this.
On February 25 2012 06:51 Jibba wrote: I wonder how much the tickets cost. O.O
Surprisingly there are some 400euros flight (I did not even search for a long time) between new york and selou for february 28th, 800 euros with Korean air. It's expensive but i thought it would be even worse than that.
I think it's pretty funny that MLG thinks they should be complaining. The "detailed" schedule wasn't posted until the results were confirmed, however, everybody knew that the Teusday in question was scheduled as Code A RO3 Day 1 Matches 1-4. The undetailed schedule has said this for ages. It seems as if the MLG organizers should have tried harder to not have any scheduling conflicts with GSL, and not the other way around. Weekdays are clearly a bad time until the season itself ends, and there's that break during Code A qualifiers for the next season.
I don't understand this, the schedule of GSL has been the same for weeks, surely the players wouldn't be stupid enough to think they WON'T have been put up for matches on Tuesday it's been the main day for Code A for ages lol
I'm surprised players didn't notice this, Code A has always been on tuesdays in 2012, so it was to be expected that this was the date they'd play. Anyways, well done MLG, props.
I think its more of the face that Code A will be broadcast Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday this week since all Code S action is done for this season. Glad they rescheduled flights, but why did GOM not try to accommodate them and give them later match dates?
If GOM would have been considerate in any way shape or form however they could have schedueled properly and not put MLG this much on the spot. 4 of the 12 matches involve players that have been in Korea all weekend. Why on earth are those four matches not on Tuesday?
TLDR: Gom is being an elitist dick, players are lucky enough that MLG is willing to fix the problem.
On February 25 2012 09:06 Wroshe wrote: Very well done.
If GOM would have been considerate in any way shape or form however they could have schedueled properly and not put MLG this much on the spot. 4 of the 12 matches involve players that have been in Korea all weekend. Why on earth are those four matches not on Tuesday?
TLDR: Gom is being an elitist dick, players are lucky enough that MLG is willing to fix the problem.
On February 25 2012 09:06 Wroshe wrote: Very well done.
If GOM would have been considerate in any way shape or form however they could have schedueled properly and not put MLG this much on the spot. 4 of the 12 matches involve players that have been in Korea all weekend. Why on earth are those four matches not on Tuesday?
TLDR: Gom is being an elitist dick, players are lucky enough that MLG is willing to fix the problem.
Overreacting. It's more the player's faults than Gom's. 1) Because they assumed they would play later in the week and we all know what happens when one assumes. 2) They didn't talk to Gom about it beforehand and see if they could play later in the week.
gsl and mlg are the last two tournaments i would think would conflict. they are the two most professional leagues and they have a partnership. seems like gsl doesnt really care about the partnership they have.
On February 25 2012 09:06 Wroshe wrote: Very well done.
If GOM would have been considerate in any way shape or form however they could have schedueled properly and not put MLG this much on the spot. 4 of the 12 matches involve players that have been in Korea all weekend. Why on earth are those four matches not on Tuesday?
TLDR: Gom is being an elitist dick, players are lucky enough that MLG is willing to fix the problem.
Oh man. Overreacting a bit, are we?
No, absolutely not. This is a scheduling blunder that if it would have happened by others we would have reacted quite differently. (I think that if NASL would have done this we'd have burned them at the stake)
GOM knew at least a week before they revealed this schedule that these players would be out of the country and would be physically be unable to play at the times they had them scheduled at. (Not to even talk about them being jetlagged, which I feel is the players' problem) At this time there would be nothing wrong with changing the scheduele as it isn't public yet. (As soon as it is public I can see that changing the schedule can hurt you)
The question remains though why GOM is this bad at scheduling as it doesn't take a genius to discover that it is useful for your players to be in the country when you want them to play. Also considering that this isn't their first schedule screw up it creates the image that either GOM is very bad at schedueling (which for a organization that has that much money every month would be unacceptable) or that they just don't care. (Earlier case: I remember IdrA being very pissed oin State of the Game at GOM when they screwed up his scheduele back in Open GSL 2 or 3 which made him cancel his DreamHack appearance)
Gom should've been more accommodating to the player's schedule. They announce the exact schedule at the last moment (we know code a matches were this week but the actual player matches of when they play weren't known). Gom wants their players to play their matches obviously so wouldn't it be wise for gom to warn the players that they might not accommodate their schedule before the koreans left to the foreign tournaments.
What if MLG couldn't alter the flights for the koreans. Will gom just allow a bunch of walk overs, in which there would be a lot of outrage b/c it could've been easily fixed if gom chose to rearrange the order of the matches.
Gom has accommodated players schedule before due to foreign tournaments. They have casted from replays before (I'm not saying they should do this). They have altered players schedules before (like switching certain matches so a player can play on a different day). I remember them switching Huk's matches multiple times to fit his schedule. I'm not sue why they didn't do it this time.
Well, after the whole "ppv" thing, at least MLG is doing something good, even if its just for pr. The thing about this is that it is not even its fault. GJ MLG.
I think the main thing is that the players didn't know that the flights that MLG booked them would not return in time, clearly they have time to play the tourney and get back if they didn't dawdle. The freak out probably happened when they realized that the flights that they had were not going to get them back in time to play Code A like they had thought.
I bet GOM intentionally set this up to make MLG look good, as a covert apology for shitting on MLG with the Code S seed for providence being reallocated in Blizzard Cup without telling anyone involved.
... Well no I suppose not, but the conspiracy theorist in me likes the idea.
Good job MLG! This was much needed positive PR for you.
And sure GSL has things set up all year, but the games arent made until they are needed. I would have just shuffled the players games around to accomodate everybody.
On February 25 2012 10:04 Northern_iight wrote: shows how MLG takes care of the players. Just took a short preview of the stream... might support winter arena now...
On February 25 2012 07:06 CursedFeanor wrote: Sometimes I wonder if GSL is purposedly making their schedule to mess up their players who travel to international tournaments... It's not the first time this kinda stuff happens and it's not like it would be difficult for them to take better care of their players by just scheduling accordingly.
In any case, good move by MLG! I'm sure you won some points with the koreans.
I don't understand how you can blame GSL for all of this. They had everyday of 2012 planned for what match was going to be shown that day. It's neither tournaments fault.
No, GSL doesn't.
I'm guessing that the Koreans pros thought that they were going to play later on in the week. They didn't know the exact date they would be playing until today.
This is all GSL's fault imo. I don't think MLG should be paying the price. MLG is going to lose a big amount of coverage, and changing flights will cost MLG a lot of extra money too.
Yes, MLG should pay for this.
The reason is simple, MLG is a much less important tournament. It's a bit like if you invited Messi to play in your neighborhood team and then he had to cancel because of Champions League. Obviously a bit exaggerated but the fundamentals are still there. The Koreans are basically doing MLG a favor by coming there.
On February 25 2012 07:06 CursedFeanor wrote: Sometimes I wonder if GSL is purposedly making their schedule to mess up their players who travel to international tournaments... It's not the first time this kinda stuff happens and it's not like it would be difficult for them to take better care of their players by just scheduling accordingly.
In any case, good move by MLG! I'm sure you won some points with the koreans.
I don't understand how you can blame GSL for all of this. They had everyday of 2012 planned for what match was going to be shown that day. It's neither tournaments fault.
No, GSL doesn't.
I'm guessing that the Koreans pros thought that they were going to play later on in the week. They didn't know the exact date they would be playing until today.
This is all GSL's fault imo. I don't think MLG should be paying the price. MLG is going to lose a big amount of coverage, and changing flights will cost MLG a lot of extra money too.
Yes, MLG should pay for this.
The reason is simple, MLG is a much less important tournament. It's a bit like if you invited Messi to play in your neighborhood team and then he had to cancel because of Champions League. Obviously a bit exaggerated but the fundamentals are still there. The Koreans are basically doing MLG a favor by coming there.
MLG should pay for this, WHAT?!?!? MLG planned ahead, talked to teams and booked the flights that the players wanted. MLG did everything they could to avoid this and GSL picks a early date for the matches when they could of picked a later date. This is GSL's fault not MLG.... It is just disrespectful, with a company you have a partnership with.
On February 25 2012 07:06 CursedFeanor wrote: Sometimes I wonder if GSL is purposedly making their schedule to mess up their players who travel to international tournaments... It's not the first time this kinda stuff happens and it's not like it would be difficult for them to take better care of their players by just scheduling accordingly.
In any case, good move by MLG! I'm sure you won some points with the koreans.
I don't understand how you can blame GSL for all of this. They had everyday of 2012 planned for what match was going to be shown that day. It's neither tournaments fault.
No, GSL doesn't.
I'm guessing that the Koreans pros thought that they were going to play later on in the week. They didn't know the exact date they would be playing until today.
This is all GSL's fault imo. I don't think MLG should be paying the price. MLG is going to lose a big amount of coverage, and changing flights will cost MLG a lot of extra money too.
Yes, MLG should pay for this.
The reason is simple, MLG is a much less important tournament. It's a bit like if you invited Messi to play in your neighborhood team and then he had to cancel because of Champions League. Obviously a bit exaggerated but the fundamentals are still there. The Koreans are basically doing MLG a favor by coming there.
Err, no, not at all. Also your analogy is basically anti-truth. It doesn't parallel the facts in any regard.
On February 25 2012 09:14 mrRoflpwn wrote: Code A is always on Monday- MLG should have checked GSL schedule to ask them to move it possibly.
In my opinion its the player responsability to make sure the events he chooses to participate dont conflict with each other... They didnt.. Well, nice move by MLG!
On February 25 2012 10:44 Stenstyren wrote: The Koreans are basically doing MLG a favor by coming there.
Uhm, no. They don't leave Korea in the middle of the GSL to do anyone "a favor", that's absurd. They come to MLG because they think it's worth it. MLG is being very generous to pay for these flights so that the players don't miss their GSL matches.
On February 25 2012 10:44 Stenstyren wrote: The Koreans are basically doing MLG a favor by coming there.
LoL? Then why are so many Koreans trying to land on foreign teams and get out of the stagnating professional SC2 scene in Korea? ONE TOURNAMENT that's HARD doesn't counteract the fact that these guys have the capability to win all the money of the foreign tournaments without winning a single GSL...and still have more money and prestige after the fact.
This move is inexcusable by the GSL and GOM. The players are physically in America and they only just now find out about their schedule? Less than a week in advance? GOM is begging to cause accidents like this with exactly this sort of poor planning and should absolutely cover the cost of players returning from MLG - in fact, no plane flights should have been changed at all, GOM should have rescheduled the matches. This sort of hubris by the Koreans creates bad blood in the esports community and is not for the overall best of the sport. I hope we see an announcement from GOM in the near future addressing the concern.
There's probably nobody in the world that asks GSL to reschedule based on our schedules more than we do. There's conflicting schedules for our players all the time. If we don't give GSL a heads up on when we can't be there, then we don't expect them to reschedule matches by their own initiative, and they don't. In our case this means that we always tell them weeks in advance when we book. It's never easy to figure it out, and it's a difficult task for management on both parties, but it has to happen. If they would have to keep track of when Liquid players are at MLG, DH, Assembly, IPL, IEM, as well as keep track for everyone else that's probably not a realistic demand because scheduling is actually really hard.
I have no idea whether or not players, teams and/or MLG reached out to GSL to help out with scheduling Code A, but as far as I can tell that information isn't out there yet, so I'm not sure why everyone is upset with that crucial piece of information missing.
I feel like GSL should cover half the ticket cost for botching this.
I just re-earned the respect I lost as a gold membership user at MLG and will renew my pass, IF IT FUCKING GETS BETTER DESCRIPTION ON WHAT I ACTUALLY GET FOR MY MONEY, but off that rant, shit happened you fucked up about that, but you made amends in my mind by doing this... Class act.
On February 25 2012 15:16 NeMeSiS3 wrote: I feel like GSL should cover half the ticket cost for botching this.
I just re-earned the respect I lost as a gold membership user at MLG and will renew my pass, IF IT FUCKING GETS BETTER DESCRIPTION ON WHAT I ACTUALLY GET FOR MY MONEY, but off that rant, shit happened you fucked up about that, but you made amends in my mind by doing this... Class act.
Yea, I kind of feel swindled by the the gold pass debacle as well but the more I read the literature on the site...they have in clear and certain terms its for the pro circuit. That said, it is a little crappy that the foreign league still has to bow and bend to the korean league determinations. Maybe the roles will be reversed in 5 years. Who knows?
On February 25 2012 12:43 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: If they would have to keep track of when Liquid players are at MLG, DH, Assembly, IPL, IEM, as well as keep track for everyone else that's probably not a realistic demand because scheduling is actually really hard.
But, Nazgul... they don't have to keep track of everyone else. There's this little website called Teamliquid.net that can tell me who's playing in what tournament when - generally as soon as players start announcing or tournaments start announcing.
/troll
Still, it's a player issue somewhat - players enter the events, and should try to ensure they aren't "double booked". With Gom this might be a bit of a sticky issue, because GSL tournaments run over the span of several months while all of the other tournaments are "burst" activities - 3 days here, 4 days there, scattered over the course of the year. IE, I know that if I attend MLG, it will be for that entire weekend. Whereas if I'm in GSL (hah, never happen) I could be playing a few times a week for a couple of weeks, a couple of months, or I could burn right the heck out pretty quick and have plenty of free time for the rest of the season.
On February 25 2012 12:43 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: If they would have to keep track of when Liquid players are at MLG, DH, Assembly, IPL, IEM, as well as keep track for everyone else that's probably not a realistic demand because scheduling is actually really hard.
But, Nazgul... they don't have to keep track of everyone else. There's this little website called Teamliquid.net that can tell me who's playing in what tournament when - generally as soon as players start announcing or tournaments start announcing.
/troll
Still, it's a player issue somewhat - players enter the events, and should try to ensure they aren't "double booked". With Gom this might be a bit of a sticky issue, because GSL tournaments run over the span of several months while all of the other tournaments are "burst" activities - 3 days here, 4 days there, scattered over the course of the year. IE, I know that if I attend MLG, it will be for that entire weekend. Whereas if I'm in GSL (hah, never happen) I could be playing a few times a week for a couple of weeks, a couple of months, or I could burn right the heck out pretty quick and have plenty of free time for the rest of the season.
They weren't really double booked in this case though. This was a travel scheduling problem. It's one thing to expect Gom to keep track of other tournaments. It's quite another to expect them to know players' travel schedule.
I feel it's MLG's own fault, and they corrected it fair and square. You can't expect a organisation like GOM to check up every single player as to where he goes for a tourny, so a slight miscommunication, no big deal, nicely handled though.
Also considering code S is done, you can expect the code A to go on early in the week it's prity standard, i don't really see it as scummy or a way to undermine MLG, though i do admit they seem rather late with it.
Hmmm, I don't understand why GSL didn't just change the schedule for these players. They've done so many a time for HuK when he was abroad for tournaments.
Wow that's really impressive, and expensive. MLG stepping it up!
Edit-
At above responses: You are allowed to move a flight to a later date but you cannot move it to an earlier date I believe. Therefore it is like buying new tickets. However if mlg cancels the reservations they should have the money back from those tickets to use for future flights.
Hmm that's weird, I saw the code A schedule for tuesday 2 weeks ago on GOMTV website. How were both parties not aware of this (players + mlg)?
edit: My work has let me traveled a lot to different areas of the world and I know personally that changing your international flight ticket to a different date does not usually cause any extra charges to occur. It's drastically different for domestic flights though. edit 2: Yes, you might as guessed it, because of my work schedule, I check ahead of time to see when GSL matches are played because I am a big fan of SC2.
On February 25 2012 20:32 FidoDido wrote: Hmm that's weird, I saw the code A schedule for tuesday 2 weeks ago on GOMTV website. How were both parties not aware of this (players + mlg)?
edit: My work has let me traveled a lot to different areas of the world and I know personally that changing your international flight ticket to a different date does not usually cause any extra charges to occur. It's drastically different for domestic flights though. edit 2: Yes, you might as guessed it, because of my work schedule, I check ahead of time to see when GSL matches are played because I am a big fan of SC2.
so a random canadian (no offense Fido <3) couldve solved it but an organisation like mlg fails?
On February 25 2012 20:32 FidoDido wrote: Hmm that's weird, I saw the code A schedule for tuesday 2 weeks ago on GOMTV website. How were both parties not aware of this (players + mlg)?
edit: My work has let me traveled a lot to different areas of the world and I know personally that changing your international flight ticket to a different date does not usually cause any extra charges to occur. It's drastically different for domestic flights though. edit 2: Yes, you might as guessed it, because of my work schedule, I check ahead of time to see when GSL matches are played because I am a big fan of SC2.
so a random canadian (no offense Fido <3) couldve solved it but an organisation like mlg fails?
and the koreans get racist comments on the web just because mlg cant check the gomtv website.
On February 25 2012 20:32 FidoDido wrote: Hmm that's weird, I saw the code A schedule for tuesday 2 weeks ago on GOMTV website. How were both parties not aware of this (players + mlg)?
edit: My work has let me traveled a lot to different areas of the world and I know personally that changing your international flight ticket to a different date does not usually cause any extra charges to occur. It's drastically different for domestic flights though. edit 2: Yes, you might as guessed it, because of my work schedule, I check ahead of time to see when GSL matches are played because I am a big fan of SC2.
Not sure about other Airliners, but Ryanair charges big bucks when you need to change the date on your flights.
I'm sorry but I don't like that an MLG employee brought this news to light either. It makes it look too try hard of them to win over some much needed affection after the PPV fiasco. They could have had one of the players tweet it or something instead so that MLG comes off as the humble hero in this situation. This is just how I would have done it anyway..
On February 25 2012 20:32 FidoDido wrote: Hmm that's weird, I saw the code A schedule for tuesday 2 weeks ago on GOMTV website. How were both parties not aware of this (players + mlg)?
edit: My work has let me traveled a lot to different areas of the world and I know personally that changing your international flight ticket to a different date does not usually cause any extra charges to occur. It's drastically different for domestic flights though. edit 2: Yes, you might as guessed it, because of my work schedule, I check ahead of time to see when GSL matches are played because I am a big fan of SC2.
Not sure about other Airliners, but Ryanair charges big bucks when you need to change the date on your flights. .
Might be because Ryan Air is one of the most shitty airlines in the world when it comes to anything outside of low prices for a seat, kind of close to the city you thought you were landing at.
On February 25 2012 21:21 j1nzo wrote: is this the first time this happened? after all gsl and mlg are partners. you would think this kind'a stuff can#t happen... well reacted mlg!
Not the first time MLG/GOM have a hard time understanding what the other is saying, we had the affair of GOM changing MLGs prizes for players without MLG knowing.
On February 25 2012 21:15 Derrida wrote: lol MLG wasn't so accommodating when it scheduled an event on top of another event.
lol as if they are supposed to work a schedule around GSL? GSL runs soo many days out of the year, you can't possibly expect them to X every single possible GSL day off their calendars.
Gom often either doesn't prepare properly or doesn't communicate their intentions properly, this is evidenced by many different incidents over the years, not just this one. Well Played MLG in a touchy situation. Now give me free Winter Arena.
On February 25 2012 21:15 Derrida wrote: lol MLG wasn't so accommodating when it scheduled an event on top of another event.
lol as if they are supposed to work a schedule around GSL? GSL runs soo many days out of the year, you can't possibly expect them to X every single possible GSL day off their calendars.
On February 25 2012 21:21 j1nzo wrote: is this the first time this happened? after all gsl and mlg are partners. you would think this kind'a stuff can#t happen... well reacted mlg!
Not the first time MLG/GOM have a hard time understanding what the other is saying, we had the affair of GOM changing MLGs prizes for players without MLG knowing.
I think it's more that the GSL schedule has changed dramatically this year.
On February 26 2012 00:43 Talin wrote: MLG should have talked to GSL in advance. This announcement does not imply that they did.
Yeah. This thread seems to imply that GSL issued some sort of statement which MLG is responding to. I'm pretty sure these players would have left MLG early if it was choosing between this and GSL.
Not hating on MLG, but just saying they did what they had to.
I don't get why people are bashing GOM on this. There is no conflict at all when it comes to scheduled games. The only conflict is between the after event party and Code A matches.
This is a really classy move by MLG (but it implies nothing on GSL). I never thought I'd pay for PPV, but now I'm reconsidering.
On February 25 2012 21:15 Derrida wrote: lol MLG wasn't so accommodating when it scheduled an event on top of another event.
lol as if they are supposed to work a schedule around GSL? GSL runs soo many days out of the year, you can't possibly expect them to X every single possible GSL day off their calendars.
....he means Assembly
They are on at different times...I don't see what the problem is there.......(more ellipses....)...
Edit: So I'm wrong, there is overlap! However, Assembly started at 4 (or 3..can't remember) am for me, and MLG starts at 2 pm..I am not including the warm up stuff they do. So, not much overlap at all really. Maybe a couple hours if Assembly runs late
I'm one of the MLG nay-sayers and indeed nay-payers if you will but I commend their actions in this instance and couldn't be more impressed with how they handled this.
after thinking about it i dont believe for one second that the code a players dont know the schedule for their most important tournament. this whole thing smells..
I don't think MLG had any reason to make this type of arrangement, but it was very respectable for them to have made the accommodations. A very "nice-guy" think to do.
On February 26 2012 19:25 aoRcesc wrote: Good job MLG - going the extra mile like a boss
What am I missing? From the sound of it it seems like MLG screwed up on the communication with GOM prior to the event and did what's required and expected to rectify their mistake. Good on ya, here's a pat on the head?
(unless the players were promised a later play day by GOM which would be an incredible dick move, but nothing in the OP indicates such a thing)
On February 26 2012 19:25 aoRcesc wrote: Good job MLG - going the extra mile like a boss
What am I missing? From the sound of it it seems like MLG screwed up on the communication with GOM prior to the event and did what's required and expected to rectify their mistake. Good on ya, here's a pat on the head?
(unless the players were promised a later play day by GOM which would be an incredible dick move, but nothing in the OP indicates such a thing)
How did MLG screw up? The players themselves didn't even know until it was too late. Sounds more like GSL not supporting/taking into account that players have other tournaments than the GSL.
Anyway, good job by MLG. They sent the message to players that they'll support them in any way necessary to make their participation at MLG easy and risk free.
On February 25 2012 06:43 Special Endrey wrote: couple of thousands of dollars extra due to misscommunication
How so? The players are missing just the post-celebration party. Generally with plane tickets, you're able to change the flights without an issue for most airlines.
This, and I would believe that MLG goes about it in some way to obtain flight points as a business, especially since they are now flying players in to compete.
Now that I look back at the results, this starts to make sense. TheStC and MVP both dropping "Round 2" and "Round 3", then Leenock follows the lead and drop "Round 3" and "Round 4".
We had to book 4 new flights. Problem solved. Players made it home and will get to play in GSL, so everyone wins. It is just a shame that the players experienced such high stress over the situation.
On February 26 2012 19:25 aoRcesc wrote: Good job MLG - going the extra mile like a boss
What am I missing? From the sound of it it seems like MLG screwed up on the communication with GOM prior to the event and did what's required and expected to rectify their mistake. Good on ya, here's a pat on the head?
(unless the players were promised a later play day by GOM which would be an incredible dick move, but nothing in the OP indicates such a thing)
How did MLG screw up? The players themselves didn't even know until it was too late. Sounds more like GSL not supporting/taking into account that players have other tournaments than the GSL.
Anyway, good job by MLG. They sent the message to players that they'll support them in any way necessary to make their participation at MLG easy and risk free.
oh? Well you know, the players could have told the GSL to go to hell. Oh wait it's way higher on their priorities than MLG is. This only ensured that the players will actually turn up for MLG, which they'd already charged people for.
They did what they had to, not hating or anything.
On February 26 2012 19:25 aoRcesc wrote: Good job MLG - going the extra mile like a boss
What am I missing? From the sound of it it seems like MLG screwed up on the communication with GOM prior to the event and did what's required and expected to rectify their mistake. Good on ya, here's a pat on the head?
(unless the players were promised a later play day by GOM which would be an incredible dick move, but nothing in the OP indicates such a thing)
How did MLG screw up? The players themselves didn't even know until it was too late. Sounds more like GSL not supporting/taking into account that players have other tournaments than the GSL.
Anyway, good job by MLG. They sent the message to players that they'll support them in any way necessary to make their participation at MLG easy and risk free.
oh? Well you know, the players could have told the GSL to go to hell. Oh wait it's way higher on their priorities than MLG is. This only ensured that the players will actually turn up for MLG, which they'd already charged people for.
They did what they had to, not hating or anything.
MLG could have got out of it scott free, the palyers were already AT MLG its not like they had the option of returning to Korea early without there help, if anyone dropped the ball here its GOM
On February 26 2012 19:25 aoRcesc wrote: Good job MLG - going the extra mile like a boss
What am I missing? From the sound of it it seems like MLG screwed up on the communication with GOM prior to the event and did what's required and expected to rectify their mistake. Good on ya, here's a pat on the head?
(unless the players were promised a later play day by GOM which would be an incredible dick move, but nothing in the OP indicates such a thing)
How did MLG screw up? The players themselves didn't even know until it was too late. Sounds more like GSL not supporting/taking into account that players have other tournaments than the GSL.
Anyway, good job by MLG. They sent the message to players that they'll support them in any way necessary to make their participation at MLG easy and risk free.
oh? Well you know, the players could have told the GSL to go to hell. Oh wait it's way higher on their priorities than MLG is. This only ensured that the players will actually turn up for MLG, which they'd already charged people for.
They did what they had to, not hating or anything.
MLG could have got out of it scott free, the palyers were already AT MLG its not like they had the option of returning to Korea early without there help, if anyone dropped the ball here its GOM
I think that players or whoever sent them to MLG took the risk by sending them to MLG before the GSL schedule was announcent. I don't know how the information is passed between MLG and GSL.
Did GSL really announce the groups last minute? I thought someone few pages ago mentioned he knew these players Code A match days 2 weeks ago.... so how could players/management/booking people miss it?
Dang what a bro move by mlg. I guess the whole MLG/GSL partnership with spots in code s etc. helped mlg to do this for the players because that is really awesome.
This is actually amazing from MLG. People don't realize how much a plane ticket costs from NYC to Seoul on days notice.
To put it into perspective I just checked with a 2 day notice (March 1st), I could find a $640.00 ticket (this is before booking fees so this could easily go up to $700. And this is the LONGEST CHEAPEST flight plan.
640x4 (and i'm guessing they actually spent more) - great effort and accomodation by MLG.
On February 25 2012 21:15 Derrida wrote: lol MLG wasn't so accommodating when it scheduled an event on top of another event.
lol as if they are supposed to work a schedule around GSL? GSL runs soo many days out of the year, you can't possibly expect them to X every single possible GSL day off their calendars.
....he means Assembly
They are on at different times...I don't see what the problem is there.......(more ellipses....)...
Edit: So I'm wrong, there is overlap! However, Assembly started at 4 (or 3..can't remember) am for me, and MLG starts at 2 pm..I am not including the warm up stuff they do. So, not much overlap at all really. Maybe a couple hours if Assembly runs late
MLG is held in US and Assembly in Europe, on the same weekend, so players had to choose which one to attend. To be clear, I don't know who scheduled their event first or why there was an overlap between the two, but I don't think either of them would've done it to screw the other. They all probably had good reasons to do so, although people wearing tinfoil hat might disagree with me.
On February 28 2012 13:10 iiGreetings wrote: Dang what a bro move by mlg. I guess the whole MLG/GSL partnership with spots in code s etc. helped mlg to do this for the players because that is really awesome.
I'm surprised GSL wouldn't reschedule the code A games because they have moved them around for players in the past for MLG and other tourneys. It makes me wonder if the GSL/MLG partnership has soured since the naniwa incident as this was the first MLG since then and now you see GSL being uncooperative here with MLG. Makes a person go hmmmmm.
I could see some angry meetings behind closed doors after GSL said naniwa's code S seed was only for consideration and not guaranteed, then MLG comes out and says they thought otherwise and GSL got a lot of hate. They might be mad MLG didn't back them up there.
Auctally it isn't GOM's or MLG's fault. Its not MLG's nor GOM's job to take into account each and every person's whereabouts. GOM doesn't follow every single major tournament, as they have enough of a job trying to make sure everything is taken care of in the GSL, they don't have time to check on the dates for MLG.
The times when they play is auctally known the day the players play their previous match. Its been that way since the beginning of the season, every day is planned out in advance, the players should have known the dates in which they could play were the tuesday, or thursday.
It should have been the players who told gom to make sure they didn't have anything booked on the days when they would be out of the country. Since they didn't know, it was more of less the players fault for not checking the GSL calender, or else they would know they could play on those 2 dates, one of which would mean they would be playing on the date they would be arriving home, which isn't right at all.
so don't blame MLG or GOM for this really. this was clear non-communication by the players, and they really didn't have enough clear foresight to check their dates when they would be playing their matches beforehand.
On February 25 2012 06:33 MLGAnnouncements wrote: The players have told us that they were not informed of the actual match schedule before they left Seoul, and that they only became aware of this development when they landed here in NYC. They immediately informed us, and we began trying to work things out.
On February 25 2012 06:33 MLGAnnouncements wrote: The players have told us that they were not informed of the actual match schedule before they left Seoul, and that they only became aware of this development when they landed here in NYC. They immediately informed us, and we began trying to work things out.
The players were not informed of their schedules for Code A until they landed in New York.
Good job to MLG for helping to fix the problem.
Thats funny because I knew They were playing before the left Korea, I knew that they were going to play either Thursday or Tuesday way before mlg, about a week before mlg I knew. So I don't know how the players didn't kow, or I don't think they bothered to check, then they found out that they were playing on tuesday.
On February 28 2012 19:03 Highways wrote: GSL are a disgrace, just like charging $115 for a season pass and not including GSTL.
What they didn't include the Team league in the individual league pass? Yes what a disgrace 115 dollars for 365 days, its almost 30 cents per day for the best league in the planet, im mad right now im gonna flip all the tables in the office.
On February 28 2012 19:03 Highways wrote: GSL are a disgrace, just like charging $115 for a season pass and not including GSTL.
Then buy the "Light Ticket" for $69. Noone's forcing you to buy the more expensive one. Unless you wanna watch the 2nd stream of code A I hardly see any downside to the "Light Ticket". Also it's for a year, not a season.
Regardless: I think it's only fair that MLG pay for this. They are the one flying in players and covering the travveling expenses, so the travveling expenses should indeed be covered by them and noone else.
Also MLG should know that these players are competing in code A. Banking on them playing later in the week is doubious at best. Not being able to communicate well with the GSL is worse. Hoping the code A round wouldn't be played untill the week after is to believe in santa
If MLG indeed contacted the GSL without getting answers nor cooperation (highly unlikely), the lack of cooperation can be held against the GSL. But, in that scenario the preparation MLG didn't do is well documented and they can only thank themselves for poor planning. I'd say it's mostly on the players own shoulders (or maybe the team if they're supposed to do their planning for them) - but also on MLG if they really mean that "The careers and well-being of all of our players are of utmost importance to us and are the first thing we take into consideration." A good back-up plan is always better then a last minute scramble!
All in all MLG did no less then what they had to do. I'm happy they volunteered and gladly got them new tickets, that's a huge plus!
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It's a pity that that had to happen. 
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