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Tektos
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1321 Posts
February 23 2012 04:41 GMT
#101
TL.net is where I come for anything and everything starcraft 2 related. Sorry MLG but if it isn't on TL I wont be watching, simply for the fact that I only want to be visiting one website on a regular basis and not several.
human_ko
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation676 Posts
February 23 2012 04:42 GMT
#102
so does ppv mean i cant watch for free at all? hmm
WOrd, yo.
Peleus
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia420 Posts
February 23 2012 04:42 GMT
#103
Hmm I respectfully disagree with the decision in this case.

I think a line definately needs to be drawn, and there are plenty of events that should not be listed on the calendar entries. Saying that, I think TL is great as a information resource, and for me it's a primary driver to your site. Id agree that I love having all the links able to be embedded etc, and you do have a high quality standard at the moment, but there should be exceptions for premium events. This would include people such as GOM, Dreamhack, IPL, MLG, etc.

For these events, considering their rarity I think the information given is more of a positive to your users even if it is purely advertising. I don't want big splash screen ads on TL telling me different things, but I probably would appreciate a one line link on the side of the page with all the other events so I can still use TL as my ONLY information resource.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
February 23 2012 04:42 GMT
#104
On February 23 2012 13:42 human_ko wrote:
so does ppv mean i cant watch for free at all? hmm


There is no free stream option, so you will not be able to watch it at all.
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aNDRoM
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States637 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 04:44:22
February 23 2012 04:43 GMT
#105
On February 23 2012 13:39 itsjustatank wrote:
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On February 23 2012 13:35 aNDRoM wrote:
Slight Tangent: Since I live in NA, it is incredibly difficult for me to take advantage of the free stream of GSL. Unless I want to stay up in the middle of the night, which I can't do on a regular basis, with a job and kids requiring me to be conscious during the day, I essentially cannot utilize the free option for viewing GSL. So for me, GSL is PPV-only, in a sense. I don't have that big of a sense of entitlement to demand that a free option to view GSL be available to anyone in any timezone, but I do wish that they put out time-limited VODs...


Except by the time you articulate that GSL has functionally become pay-per-view for you, the event has passed and is already off the upcoming events calendar. During the time that it was up, however, there remained an accessible free stream option.


Sorry, to clarify, my opinion on GSL being de facto PPV for me (and wishful hoping that they'll provide a time-limited VOD) has nothing to do with the calendar listing issue, which is why I said it was a slight tangent. :-)
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Devolved
Profile Joined April 2008
United States2753 Posts
February 23 2012 04:43 GMT
#106
On February 23 2012 13:28 aNDRoM wrote:
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On February 23 2012 13:21 Hot_Bid wrote:
On February 23 2012 13:17 aNDRoM wrote:
On February 23 2012 13:02 Hot_Bid wrote:
On February 23 2012 12:56 Ghanburighan wrote:
I understand the viewpoint, but I do not agree with the final decision nor the way it was conducted now.

TL as always tries to be transparent but there are questions here that need to be answered. If MLG offered referral program participation and TL refused and TL offered advertising space and MLG refused, then it seems to me that it's a question of money rather than principle. Didn't MLG offer enough money through the referral program and TL wanted more for advertising? Unless we know those numbers, it's hard to take this announcement at face value.

Secondly, it seems an impossible task for MLG (or anyone) to " find a revenue model that allows them to keep running successful events." if PPV will immediately cause costs to increase and reduce their community advertising. We know that TL is the hub for all things to SC2 and not being showcased here will damage their event.

Although, I don't think TL is the cause of these problems. I can imagine that MLG did not talk to TL quite as much as they could have, nor has MLG gone to great lengths to actually pay for these services (which, to be honest, are taken for granted by many). On the other hand, the Winter Arena must be one of the most frequently mentioned topics on TL at the moment, so perhaps removing the calendar option is mostly a demonstration of attitude than an actually painful lesson being taught to MLG.

Neither of these conversations (the referral program or the calendar spot) reached the point where we were negotiating prices at all. We declined to be a part of the referral program for the reasons we stated, and they did not feel we should charge anything for the calendar entry.


Hot_Bid, was MLG's objection to TL charging for the calendar entry based on the fact (or assumption) that they'd pay for normal placement on the calendar?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe TL has a special sponsored section of the calendar like there is for sponsored threads. Would MLG paying have caused the creation of a special sponsored position/section of the calendar?

We do not have a special sponsored section of the calendar similar to sponsored threads, but the discussions never reached the point where anyone was asking for detailed sections. We simply disagreed about the calendar listing being different for PPV vs free streams, regardless of placement.


I guess my point is that highlighted placement in a sponsored section of the calendar may have changed the equation. In other words, their objection may simply be to the perception that they now had to pay for something that they previously got for free, from a certain point of view. If that foundation to their stance no longer applied, they may reconsider?

Isn't it ironic? They are charging for their streams, which people are having to pay for that they previously got for free, but still expect to get free advertising from TL because that's what they got in the past. A bit of a double-standard if you ask me. I'm glad TL took this stance.
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dudecrush
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada418 Posts
February 23 2012 04:43 GMT
#107
I agree, if MLG wants to change money they can pay for a calendar spot. Tbh I think the PPV model is going to flop so hard it will make Dallas look like the pillar of esports. But I wish them luck nonetheless, it's important for esports that they succeed.
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
February 23 2012 04:43 GMT
#108
androm is a clever boy. Will you be at a barcraft this weekend?
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themask4f
Profile Joined December 2011
138 Posts
February 23 2012 04:43 GMT
#109
On February 23 2012 13:31 Waxangel wrote:
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On February 23 2012 13:28 jinixxx123 wrote:
On February 23 2012 13:25 Hot_Bid wrote:
I do not believe GSL AoL was PPV-only without a free stream option (maybe it was at first?), perhaps we were mistaken about it. Regardless, it does not change our policy on it, if GSL were to come out with a pay-only tournament tomorrow we would treat it the same way.


gsl AOL have always only been PPV.

you guys got caught with double standards and are looking pretty dumb now, and im guessing ill be banned. Whatever, somebody needs to call you guys out. Its a stupid biased move.

User was banned for this post.


martyring is my favorite ban ^_^

I don't see how this deserved a ban, and i don't see why you should laugh or brag about having banned someone
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36388 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 04:44:35
February 23 2012 04:44 GMT
#110
On February 23 2012 13:39 Bippzy wrote:
This makes sense.

In all technicality I guess MLG could bitch and moan about their interview/hangout stream that will be free that they will be running. It technically is a free stream and could be considered similar to something like SOTG, or GSL's off the record. Also,
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The Dr Pepper MLG Ultimate Access stream will be completely free all weekend. The first match aired on each of the four other streams, on both Friday and Saturday, will also be free to everyone.

Specifically the second part. Can't that be on TL's calendar?

We decided that just listing the first match really isn't going to work, it's confusing and inconsistent to list the first 5% of an event. While we don't want to go judge what percentage of an event needs to be free to qualify as a "free stream," I think everyone would agree that 1 match per day is far below that line. The event is either free or its not, we're not going to pick and choose which parts to list.
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human_ko
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation676 Posts
February 23 2012 04:44 GMT
#111
On February 23 2012 13:42 lichter wrote:
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On February 23 2012 13:42 human_ko wrote:
so does ppv mean i cant watch for free at all? hmm


There is no free stream option, so you will not be able to watch it at all.


omg wow, thx for reply. means it was vain waiting for it. gonna try to find some pirate re-streams maybe
WOrd, yo.
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
February 23 2012 04:44 GMT
#112
Good decision. Definitely like how you guys handled this.
iAmiAnC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom317 Posts
February 23 2012 04:44 GMT
#113
I hope the MLG event will get the coverage it deserves in other parts of TL. There are much worse tournament organisers than MLG and it would be a shame if things went wrong for them in SC2.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
February 23 2012 04:44 GMT
#114
You know what I think would be a fair compromise?

A Calendar Entry, but a link to the LIVE REPORT THREAD.

Totally informational, totally useful, not exactly advertising. I think that would be good to keep in line with TL's principles and rules, but appease those that want a softer stance on the issue (or just want a universal calendar for free, lols).
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Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
February 23 2012 04:46 GMT
#115
On February 23 2012 13:42 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 13:42 human_ko wrote:
so does ppv mean i cant watch for free at all? hmm


There is no free stream option, so you will not be able to watch it at all.


Nitpick:
The Dr Pepper MLG Ultimate Access stream will be completely free all weekend. The first match aired on each of the four other streams, on both Friday and Saturday, will also be free to everyone.

It's free to an extent.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 04:49:01
February 23 2012 04:46 GMT
#116
I approve this message. No special treatment.

That's a demo more than anything else.
SockArms
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States591 Posts
February 23 2012 04:46 GMT
#117
On February 23 2012 13:42 human_ko wrote:
so does ppv mean i cant watch for free at all? hmm


reps and vods are free 1 week later
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Oiseaux
Profile Joined May 2011
United States676 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 04:51:05
February 23 2012 04:47 GMT
#118
On February 23 2012 13:43 themask4f wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 13:31 Waxangel wrote:
On February 23 2012 13:28 jinixxx123 wrote:
On February 23 2012 13:25 Hot_Bid wrote:
I do not believe GSL AoL was PPV-only without a free stream option (maybe it was at first?), perhaps we were mistaken about it. Regardless, it does not change our policy on it, if GSL were to come out with a pay-only tournament tomorrow we would treat it the same way.


gsl AOL have always only been PPV.

you guys got caught with double standards and are looking pretty dumb now, and im guessing ill be banned. Whatever, somebody needs to call you guys out. Its a stupid biased move.

User was banned for this post.


martyring is my favorite ban ^_^

I don't see how this deserved a ban, and i don't see why you should laugh or brag about having banned someone


Just a hunch, but maybe because the guy was a). flat out wrong and b). calling TL idiots based off an incorrect notion that had already been cleared up.

Edit (re: the post below me): Have read ::coughskimmedcough:: the rules, but missed that one. Pretty amusing.
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Tektos
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1321 Posts
February 23 2012 04:47 GMT
#119
On February 23 2012 13:43 themask4f wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 13:31 Waxangel wrote:
On February 23 2012 13:28 jinixxx123 wrote:
On February 23 2012 13:25 Hot_Bid wrote:
I do not believe GSL AoL was PPV-only without a free stream option (maybe it was at first?), perhaps we were mistaken about it. Regardless, it does not change our policy on it, if GSL were to come out with a pay-only tournament tomorrow we would treat it the same way.


gsl AOL have always only been PPV.

you guys got caught with double standards and are looking pretty dumb now, and im guessing ill be banned. Whatever, somebody needs to call you guys out. Its a stupid biased move.

User was banned for this post.


martyring is my favorite ban ^_^

I don't see how this deserved a ban, and i don't see why you should laugh or brag about having banned someone


Have you even read the rules of Teamliquid?

Saying "I'm guessing i'll be banned" gets you banned every time... regardless of the content of the rest of your post.
aNDRoM
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States637 Posts
February 23 2012 04:48 GMT
#120
On February 23 2012 13:43 Primadog wrote:
androm is a clever boy. Will you be at a barcraft this weekend?


Heh, thanks. I dunno, I'm gonna try, but haven't succeeded yet. You going? Biergarten?
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