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SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
February 23 2012 16:24 GMT
#501
Holy shit, that's a big kick in the teeth for MLG.

I guess now it becomes more obvious that usage of TL is a privilege, not a right.
latan
Profile Joined July 2010
740 Posts
February 23 2012 16:27 GMT
#502
This's cool, I'm guessing it wouldn't cost much for MLG to pay some advertising on TL, so the blame is on them if there's no link at all.
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
February 23 2012 16:28 GMT
#503
On February 24 2012 01:22 Magnious wrote:
Zorkmid..I can't tell if your sarcastic or not...after reading Liquid'Nony's quote under your post......


Ha just a coincidence! I wasn't being sarcastic.....but after looking at the situation more fully. I don't agree with not listing the tournament in the "upcoming events" section. It's one thing not to embed the paid stream here (I agree 100% with that), it's another to pretend that it's not happening. TL has been my source for everything Starcraft, especially event information. I know this is just one event, but if TL starts omitting events from the calendar based on whatever reason, it will have lost one of the features that I really like. I'd rather not have to find another site for the calendar function, I love having everything here at TL my one stop SC shop.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 23 2012 16:29 GMT
#504
On February 24 2012 00:43 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 00:38 Doodsmack wrote:
On February 24 2012 00:16 Cascade wrote:
On February 24 2012 00:00 Doodsmack wrote:
On February 23 2012 23:43 Cascade wrote:
On February 23 2012 23:38 ceaRshaf wrote:
And MLG Adams and Sundances declarations that they have already reaches their expectations have a big smell of bullshit. "Let's make it sound successful so people can still come and we don't have to sell our homes"

As mentioned earlier, it is advertisement. He would most likely post something similar no matter how the sales went. Maybe he would use actual numbers if they had actually sold a lot though? Who knows...



Lol @ you stating that as fact as if it's not just your cynical assumption. You really think Sundance would straight up lie on his Twitter? It's usually not a good idea to accuse someone of lying when you don't have a shred of evidence.

You really had to PM me so I wouldn't miss your reply? And an extra little "lol" just for that inflammatory tone, nice.

But sure, since you seem to be in that mood, I can elaborate a bit.
I have very little idea about who Sundance is in person, or the details of how MLG is advertised, but I see no reason for any company to not make a statement that will increase their sales, when there is no chance of their statement being proven false. In this case, we will never know what their projections are, and we do not know how much they have sold up to now. Maybe they will publish number of sold tickets, but I doubt we will ever know their projections. So it is entirely safe to tweet, true or not.
So:
- Will never be proven false.
- Will help sales.
- Will make sponsors happy.
Why not? I mean, I honestly hope that MLG does well, for e-sports in general, and I think twitter is a great place to advertise, so I genuinely hope that he will get more viewers from it. But I think we should be careful in using his tweet as confirmation that sales are actually doing well.

You can compare to how everyone are publishing stream information in ways to make it look like every single person on the globe was watching on triple screens in HD every second of their tournament.

And plase don't PM me any more.



Where in that post did you provide hard evidence rather than assumptions? Your argument: the tweet benefits sundance, therefore it must have been a lie. You might wanna put a little more thought into your posts.

Try to calm down a bit and read what I write instead. Where do I say that this tweet is a lie? quote me!



You're avoiding using the word lie but it's clearly what you're saying. No point in denying it.

" I see no reason for any company to not make a statement that will increase their sales, when there is no chance of their statement being proven false"

"He would most likely post something similar no matter how the sales went"
HyPo
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium9 Posts
February 23 2012 16:29 GMT
#505
Good call TL!
Terran fighting!
Hodgyy
Profile Joined January 2012
138 Posts
February 23 2012 16:34 GMT
#506
Well will you continue to allow the streams they host for the first rounds on the calender ?
Syntechi!
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
February 23 2012 16:48 GMT
#507
On February 23 2012 23:23 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 22:48 Milkis wrote:
Could have sworn Arena of Legends was listed on the calendar. The first iteration, that is.

owell. as long as they keep to this policy in the future...

This was discussed in the first few pages, go back and read all the hot-bid posts, they are easy to find while scrolling.
As I understood, the AoL was first PPV, and not listed, but then at some point changed to free, at which point it got added to the calender.


i distinctly remember clicking on a link from the sidebar and seeing that it was PPV :p
LordJerith
Profile Joined May 2011
United States92 Posts
February 23 2012 16:49 GMT
#508
This in no way helps the growth of eSports. It's petty.
ODKStevez
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland1225 Posts
February 23 2012 16:49 GMT
#509
100% agreed. I was talking to my friend earlier and I said a thread like this would show up!
Luppa <3
DDie
Profile Joined April 2010
Brazil2369 Posts
February 23 2012 16:50 GMT
#510
On February 24 2012 01:07 ceaRshaf wrote:
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On February 24 2012 01:04 syllogism wrote:
Can one of you people who are thanking TL for this explain what you are thanking them for? For taking a stance against MLG's ppv event? Because that's not why TL is doing this


I thank them for turning their backs on MLG because they refused to pay for advertise. It was double standards from MLG.


They are not turning their backs on anyone, streams with no FTV option don't go on the site calendar unless the advertisement fee is paid, it's that simple.
''Television! Teacher, mother, secret lover.''
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
February 23 2012 16:52 GMT
#511
On February 24 2012 01:49 LordJerith wrote:
This in no way helps the growth of eSports. It's petty.

We don't have to support everything esport related, no matter what.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
February 23 2012 16:53 GMT
#512
On February 24 2012 01:34 Hodgyy wrote:
Well will you continue to allow the streams they host for the first rounds on the calender ?


No.

They have a 1 hour demo you get a day. That's it.

If MLG doesn't want to pay when the premise of the event is PPV only then not only should the streams not be available on TL, but they shouldn't be in the calendar either.


Doesn't mean there cannot be a LR thread and discussion about it.

It's the right thing to do.
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
February 23 2012 16:54 GMT
#513
On February 24 2012 01:04 syllogism wrote:
Can one of you people who are thanking TL for this explain what you are thanking them for? For taking a stance against MLG's ppv event? Because that's not why TL is doing this


Already answered this earlier in the thread, but I'll quote myself instead of just repeating it.

On February 23 2012 23:47 Iyerbeth wrote:
I know that many people are thanking them because they see it as a blow to the PPV model they don't like.

I personally thanked them for taking the time to come up with a policy that directly means it's more likely that as time goes on TL will stay as a great resource site for Starcraft without becoming overburdened with advertisements, especially while not benefitting from them.

It was a well thought out policy which was well communicated to us and thus, thanks were in order.
♥ Liquid`Sheth ♥ Liquid`TLO ♥
Tatum
Profile Joined February 2012
Belgium1 Post
February 23 2012 16:55 GMT
#514
yes op!
CursedFeanor
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada539 Posts
February 23 2012 16:59 GMT
#515
On February 23 2012 23:58 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 23:48 Xalorian wrote:
On February 23 2012 23:35 Doodsmack wrote:
Strongly disagree with this decision. If TL wants its calendar to be an "information source" to TL users, it makes no sense to not include information about a major SC2 event that's going on. In fact TL is doing its users a disservice by not providing as much notification of the event as possible. The idea that the lack of an embedded free stream means that a calendar link would lack utility for TL users is trivial in my eyes. Simply putting a link to MLG's site would be very simple...it's not direct advertising and again, the purpose of a calendar is to notify people of what events are going on. In fact, before reading this post I naturally assumed that every single SC2 event goes onto TL's calendar.

Also, TL is clearly trying to pander to its users while being diplomatic when it simultaneously says that "we had reservations with a PPV model with no free stream option" and "[t]his doesn't mean we disagree with MLG trying this PPV model out." TL is trying to have its cake and eat it too with that contradiction. TL's admins no doubt took note of the results of their poll on the home page and made this decision accordingly.



When you add a free event to a calendar, you are giving information to your users. If you add a PPV only event to your calendar, you are giving ads to the event.


This is a silly distinction. If MLG Arena is listed in the same manner on the calendar as, say, a Dreamhack event, it's no more an "ad" for the former than it is for the latter. It's "giving information to your users" that the event is going on, as you said. An ad is a banner, a sponsored thread, etc. A listing on a calendar is just information. That's what calendars are for.



I'm so happy to finally see someone else that realizes how bad of a decision TL is making! Props to you for wording it all in such a clear and flawless manner. Too bad there still seems to be a lot of people letting their frustration about the PPV model get in the way of their critical thinking.

Free streams still get revenues through advertisements by the way. So listing them and not a PPV-only event is pretty hypocritical. You think the other tournaments are not trying to make profit as well? this is just silly.
-shArk-
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany150 Posts
February 23 2012 17:00 GMT
#516
Good move TL!

In my personal opinion the new MLG PPV system is really against the general basic idea of esport, free entertainment for everybody. Even the price for only 3 days is waaay to much and seems very greedy for me. So dont support that system!

We are the Viewers! We have the Power! Dont support MLG PPV! DONT PAY!
sOs - Rain - PartinG
Crainey
Profile Joined August 2011
Northern Ireland101 Posts
February 23 2012 17:01 GMT
#517
Good on you Team Liquid, sticking to your guns. Very well justified decision making that I think everybody can respect.
Gaming is much more than just a hobby.
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
February 23 2012 17:01 GMT
#518
MLG is going to take a really big hit... is having 60-70 (probably upwords to 80thousand) viewers with free stream > then ppv only? How can they justify that?

This is going to be the biggest weekend ever, I'm missing it not because of money, but because I think it stands against what eSports should be. I was planning on purchasing this product along with my gold membership, EVEN THOUGH I still feel upset that this doesnt come with MLG gold subscription, but finding out that PPV only, I feel it against my best interest to support the organization anymore... Good games or not.
FoTG fighting!
Destroyr
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany299 Posts
February 23 2012 17:08 GMT
#519
100% support! It is good to see that TL has this position towards the issue since SOTG and Weeds stream were biased I wasn't expecting that someone from the bigger names would raise any criticism.
Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1935 Posts
February 23 2012 17:09 GMT
#520
AoL started off being on the calendar even when it was PPV. At some point, TL or GSL changed its policy. Regardless of which one happened first, this is TL's policy today as a result of having to deal with that PPV tournament. It doesn't show any preferential treatment.

Thank you TL for not being a pushover to a big tournament.
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