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On February 20 2012 05:26 Vague wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 05:22 shizna wrote:On February 20 2012 04:24 Vague wrote:On February 20 2012 04:17 Mehukannu wrote:On February 20 2012 04:02 Vague wrote:On February 19 2012 15:35 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote:On February 18 2012 12:49 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
--------- So they release the patch 1 day before Assembly AND MLG? Are they... I dont know, retarded? Shut up. Just because you are a pro gamer, the comment of them being retarded was unnecessary and if the patch is going at the time that is unfavorable to you, then so be it. No need to be rude. You are playing SC2, that is even more reason not to be rude to them. User was temp banned for this post. Hey, why did this guy got banned? By TL standards, the guy that should get at least a warning is Jinro, and not the guy that is calling on him. It feels like this mod is abusing his authority. TL.net Ten Commandments 1st section. 1. THIS IS OUR HOUSE
You are our guests. We will make all attempts to treat everyone with due respect and to accommodate everyone's wishes as far as reasonably possible. But, this is a private site. We are not a "for profit" enterprise. We are not funded by any governments. This means we run the site the way we see fit. We are not obligated to observe anyone's notions of "free speech" or even "fairness." We try of course, and that's why we're consistently considered one of the best gaming sites on the web, and you are always free to give us suggestions (Website Feedback Forum). But, we have our limits. If we don't like you, we simply ban you. I strongly disagree with whoever thought it was a good idea to write the 1st section. Of course, it is their house and they can do whatever they want, but, still, there are good and bad ways of treating their guests... ohhh boo freakin hoo, it's a temp ban... "shut up. just because you are a pro gamer" is the sort of crap that's unnecessary. the vast majority of ppl agree with jinro... "Are they, I don't know...retarded?" is the sort of thing that's unnecessary. Yes, Jinro is right in saying that it is a bad idea to patch before two major tournaments. But he shouldn't call blizzard retarded...that is the whole point.
If you really care about it make a topic in Website Feedback forum, but stop putting the thread off topic, since it is not what the thread is about.
Also it was not Jinro who even temp banned him (Automated Ban List) so it is not the case of a mod abusing his authority.
Now that we are done with this, let's not put this thread off topic, please. 
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lol you are asking for a ban for telling a moderator to shut up.
Lucky it's just a temp ban.
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Anyways I really don't think patching the game right before a major tournament is a good idea. I'm just wondering how the tournament games will be played out in TvZ with ghosts not being as powerful as they currently are in lategame TvZ.
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On February 20 2012 06:04 shizna wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 05:26 Vague wrote:On February 20 2012 05:22 shizna wrote:On February 20 2012 04:24 Vague wrote:On February 20 2012 04:17 Mehukannu wrote:On February 20 2012 04:02 Vague wrote:On February 19 2012 15:35 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote:On February 18 2012 12:49 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
--------- So they release the patch 1 day before Assembly AND MLG? Are they... I dont know, retarded? Shut up. Just because you are a pro gamer, the comment of them being retarded was unnecessary and if the patch is going at the time that is unfavorable to you, then so be it. No need to be rude. You are playing SC2, that is even more reason not to be rude to them. User was temp banned for this post. Hey, why did this guy got banned? By TL standards, the guy that should get at least a warning is Jinro, and not the guy that is calling on him. It feels like this mod is abusing his authority. TL.net Ten Commandments 1st section. 1. THIS IS OUR HOUSE
You are our guests. We will make all attempts to treat everyone with due respect and to accommodate everyone's wishes as far as reasonably possible. But, this is a private site. We are not a "for profit" enterprise. We are not funded by any governments. This means we run the site the way we see fit. We are not obligated to observe anyone's notions of "free speech" or even "fairness." We try of course, and that's why we're consistently considered one of the best gaming sites on the web, and you are always free to give us suggestions (Website Feedback Forum). But, we have our limits. If we don't like you, we simply ban you. I strongly disagree with whoever thought it was a good idea to write the 1st section. Of course, it is their house and they can do whatever they want, but, still, there are good and bad ways of treating their guests... ohhh boo freakin hoo, it's a temp ban... "shut up. just because you are a pro gamer" is the sort of crap that's unnecessary. the vast majority of ppl agree with jinro... "Are they, I don't know...retarded?" is the sort of thing that's unnecessary. Yes, Jinro is right in saying that it is a bad idea to patch before two major tournaments. But he shouldn't call blizzard retarded...that is the whole point. right.... people 'shouldnt' voice their opinion on the interwebz... good one. if you don't agree with the rules then migrate to battle.net forum. there you can disagree with all of those people calling blizzard retarded instead. you won't get banned!
So going by your logic Shizna, the guy who got banned did the right thing by voicing his opinion. Then he got banned for it.... which is why we're having this discussion.
Contradicting yourself isn't the smartest thing to do when you're trying to argue with someone.
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On February 20 2012 06:04 shizna wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 05:26 Vague wrote:On February 20 2012 05:22 shizna wrote:On February 20 2012 04:24 Vague wrote:On February 20 2012 04:17 Mehukannu wrote:On February 20 2012 04:02 Vague wrote:On February 19 2012 15:35 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote:On February 18 2012 12:49 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
--------- So they release the patch 1 day before Assembly AND MLG? Are they... I dont know, retarded? Shut up. Just because you are a pro gamer, the comment of them being retarded was unnecessary and if the patch is going at the time that is unfavorable to you, then so be it. No need to be rude. You are playing SC2, that is even more reason not to be rude to them. User was temp banned for this post. Hey, why did this guy got banned? By TL standards, the guy that should get at least a warning is Jinro, and not the guy that is calling on him. It feels like this mod is abusing his authority. TL.net Ten Commandments 1st section. 1. THIS IS OUR HOUSE
You are our guests. We will make all attempts to treat everyone with due respect and to accommodate everyone's wishes as far as reasonably possible. But, this is a private site. We are not a "for profit" enterprise. We are not funded by any governments. This means we run the site the way we see fit. We are not obligated to observe anyone's notions of "free speech" or even "fairness." We try of course, and that's why we're consistently considered one of the best gaming sites on the web, and you are always free to give us suggestions (Website Feedback Forum). But, we have our limits. If we don't like you, we simply ban you. I strongly disagree with whoever thought it was a good idea to write the 1st section. Of course, it is their house and they can do whatever they want, but, still, there are good and bad ways of treating their guests... ohhh boo freakin hoo, it's a temp ban... "shut up. just because you are a pro gamer" is the sort of crap that's unnecessary. the vast majority of ppl agree with jinro... "Are they, I don't know...retarded?" is the sort of thing that's unnecessary. Yes, Jinro is right in saying that it is a bad idea to patch before two major tournaments. But he shouldn't call blizzard retarded...that is the whole point. right.... people 'shouldnt' voice their opinion on the interwebz... good one. if you don't agree with the rules then migrate to battle.net forum. there you can disagree with all of those people calling blizzard retarded instead. you won't get banned!
youre contradicting yourself with your logic.
try again...
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On February 20 2012 06:04 shizna wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 05:26 Vague wrote:On February 20 2012 05:22 shizna wrote:On February 20 2012 04:24 Vague wrote:On February 20 2012 04:17 Mehukannu wrote:On February 20 2012 04:02 Vague wrote:On February 19 2012 15:35 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote:On February 18 2012 12:49 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
--------- So they release the patch 1 day before Assembly AND MLG? Are they... I dont know, retarded? Shut up. Just because you are a pro gamer, the comment of them being retarded was unnecessary and if the patch is going at the time that is unfavorable to you, then so be it. No need to be rude. You are playing SC2, that is even more reason not to be rude to them. User was temp banned for this post. Hey, why did this guy got banned? By TL standards, the guy that should get at least a warning is Jinro, and not the guy that is calling on him. It feels like this mod is abusing his authority. TL.net Ten Commandments 1st section. 1. THIS IS OUR HOUSE
You are our guests. We will make all attempts to treat everyone with due respect and to accommodate everyone's wishes as far as reasonably possible. But, this is a private site. We are not a "for profit" enterprise. We are not funded by any governments. This means we run the site the way we see fit. We are not obligated to observe anyone's notions of "free speech" or even "fairness." We try of course, and that's why we're consistently considered one of the best gaming sites on the web, and you are always free to give us suggestions (Website Feedback Forum). But, we have our limits. If we don't like you, we simply ban you. I strongly disagree with whoever thought it was a good idea to write the 1st section. Of course, it is their house and they can do whatever they want, but, still, there are good and bad ways of treating their guests... ohhh boo freakin hoo, it's a temp ban... "shut up. just because you are a pro gamer" is the sort of crap that's unnecessary. the vast majority of ppl agree with jinro... "Are they, I don't know...retarded?" is the sort of thing that's unnecessary. Yes, Jinro is right in saying that it is a bad idea to patch before two major tournaments. But he shouldn't call blizzard retarded...that is the whole point. right.... people 'shouldnt' voice their opinion on the interwebz... good one. if you don't agree with the rules then migrate to battle.net forum. there you can disagree with all of those people calling blizzard retarded instead. you won't get banned!
You are not being consistent. First you say that the guy who got baned was out of place because he said to Jinro "shut up", and at the same time you are fine with Jinro calling Blizzard "retarded". I only wrote what I did because I thought TL cared about manners....that is why it seemed odd to me that the guy got banned, whereas Jinro didn't even got a warning. I'm not saying that people shouldn't voice their opinions (thanks for intentionally misrepresenting my point for the sake of winning the argument in a cheap way), I was just puzzled by the lack of consistency I gestured at.
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On February 20 2012 03:25 Tsubbi wrote:terran has not ONCE since the release been below 50% winrate in tvz, despite the many nerfs since release terran always managed to stay on top because they have so many viable tools that they didn't even need to experiment with pre nerfs like 95% of tvz wins come way before ghost even come into play anyways, the effect on winrates will be pretty low imo in a balanced game the winrates should fluctuate around the 50% mark, changing with current trends in playstyle, until now they fluctuated around the 55% mark in favor of terran (see here http://imgur.com/a/hQHYS ) that being said i think terrans should be happy that more vital units to the matchup like hellions are still untouched btw not in the graph yet is the february winrate in korean tvz, which is at 24-11 (68%) currently
Doesnt tell you anything about texture of game. Sure Terran was too strong at the start of the game and got the vast majority of their wins first 15 min but that doesnt mean they arnt weak late AND have barley a mech option late unless it's TvT. As poor as terran does late, the Ghost is necessary for them to even have a shot vs Protoss and Zerg late and blizz is nerfing it so I expect even worse performance late. Sure may help us get to 50/50 w/l rates but that's not balance.
Balance would be 50/50 the first ten minutes 50/50 the next ten and 50/50 after that meaning all race is equally favored at any time during the matchup. Anyway, yeah Ghost snipe is stupid but until they address mech (like for example putting an irradiation cloud on thors so they are not eaten alive in seconds by broodlings or making tanks actually hurt protoss) ghosts will be needed in their unerfed form.
Hellions were touched. They had thier damage to light reduced.
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On February 20 2012 06:18 Vague wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 06:04 shizna wrote:On February 20 2012 05:26 Vague wrote:On February 20 2012 05:22 shizna wrote:On February 20 2012 04:24 Vague wrote:On February 20 2012 04:17 Mehukannu wrote:On February 20 2012 04:02 Vague wrote:On February 19 2012 15:35 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote:On February 18 2012 12:49 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
--------- So they release the patch 1 day before Assembly AND MLG? Are they... I dont know, retarded? Shut up. Just because you are a pro gamer, the comment of them being retarded was unnecessary and if the patch is going at the time that is unfavorable to you, then so be it. No need to be rude. You are playing SC2, that is even more reason not to be rude to them. User was temp banned for this post. Hey, why did this guy got banned? By TL standards, the guy that should get at least a warning is Jinro, and not the guy that is calling on him. It feels like this mod is abusing his authority. TL.net Ten Commandments 1st section. 1. THIS IS OUR HOUSE
You are our guests. We will make all attempts to treat everyone with due respect and to accommodate everyone's wishes as far as reasonably possible. But, this is a private site. We are not a "for profit" enterprise. We are not funded by any governments. This means we run the site the way we see fit. We are not obligated to observe anyone's notions of "free speech" or even "fairness." We try of course, and that's why we're consistently considered one of the best gaming sites on the web, and you are always free to give us suggestions (Website Feedback Forum). But, we have our limits. If we don't like you, we simply ban you. I strongly disagree with whoever thought it was a good idea to write the 1st section. Of course, it is their house and they can do whatever they want, but, still, there are good and bad ways of treating their guests... ohhh boo freakin hoo, it's a temp ban... "shut up. just because you are a pro gamer" is the sort of crap that's unnecessary. the vast majority of ppl agree with jinro... "Are they, I don't know...retarded?" is the sort of thing that's unnecessary. Yes, Jinro is right in saying that it is a bad idea to patch before two major tournaments. But he shouldn't call blizzard retarded...that is the whole point. right.... people 'shouldnt' voice their opinion on the interwebz... good one. if you don't agree with the rules then migrate to battle.net forum. there you can disagree with all of those people calling blizzard retarded instead. you won't get banned! You are not being consistent. First you say that the guy who got baned was out of place because he said to Jinro "shut up", and at the same time you are fine with Jinro calling Blizzard "retarded". I only wrote what I did because I thought TL cared about manners....that is why it seemed odd to me that the guy got banned, whereas Jinro didn't even got a warning. I'm not saying that people shouldn't voice their opinions (thanks for intentionally misrepresenting my point for the sake of winning the argument in a cheap way), I was just puzzled by the lack of consistency I gestured at.
i don't see why it's so 'puzzling'.
he replied to a rhetorical comment with 'shut up, blah blah blah' without even commenting on the topic. it was a personal attack.
i don't see anything wrong with making a rhetorical comment implying that blizzard is 'retarded' for deciding to add a very controversial patch on the day before two huge events. it's hyperbole, and obviously not an insult to blizzard employees.
be honest with yourself, are you really defending blizzard or are you just being a WUM?
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Sweet, I can't wait to never play a Terran again!
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Eh, I think this might be the patch that does me in. I'm already having trouble vs. toss and zerg lategame and it's only gonna get harder. I think I might quit until HotS is released.
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Does anyone know when the patch will be out for KOR?
is this going to affect the finals/semifinals of the GSL?
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On February 20 2012 07:01 shizna wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 06:18 Vague wrote:On February 20 2012 06:04 shizna wrote:On February 20 2012 05:26 Vague wrote:On February 20 2012 05:22 shizna wrote:On February 20 2012 04:24 Vague wrote:On February 20 2012 04:17 Mehukannu wrote:On February 20 2012 04:02 Vague wrote:On February 19 2012 15:35 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote:On February 18 2012 12:49 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
--------- So they release the patch 1 day before Assembly AND MLG? Are they... I dont know, retarded? Shut up. Just because you are a pro gamer, the comment of them being retarded was unnecessary and if the patch is going at the time that is unfavorable to you, then so be it. No need to be rude. You are playing SC2, that is even more reason not to be rude to them. User was temp banned for this post. Hey, why did this guy got banned? By TL standards, the guy that should get at least a warning is Jinro, and not the guy that is calling on him. It feels like this mod is abusing his authority. TL.net Ten Commandments 1st section. 1. THIS IS OUR HOUSE
You are our guests. We will make all attempts to treat everyone with due respect and to accommodate everyone's wishes as far as reasonably possible. But, this is a private site. We are not a "for profit" enterprise. We are not funded by any governments. This means we run the site the way we see fit. We are not obligated to observe anyone's notions of "free speech" or even "fairness." We try of course, and that's why we're consistently considered one of the best gaming sites on the web, and you are always free to give us suggestions (Website Feedback Forum). But, we have our limits. If we don't like you, we simply ban you. I strongly disagree with whoever thought it was a good idea to write the 1st section. Of course, it is their house and they can do whatever they want, but, still, there are good and bad ways of treating their guests... ohhh boo freakin hoo, it's a temp ban... "shut up. just because you are a pro gamer" is the sort of crap that's unnecessary. the vast majority of ppl agree with jinro... "Are they, I don't know...retarded?" is the sort of thing that's unnecessary. Yes, Jinro is right in saying that it is a bad idea to patch before two major tournaments. But he shouldn't call blizzard retarded...that is the whole point. right.... people 'shouldnt' voice their opinion on the interwebz... good one. if you don't agree with the rules then migrate to battle.net forum. there you can disagree with all of those people calling blizzard retarded instead. you won't get banned! You are not being consistent. First you say that the guy who got baned was out of place because he said to Jinro "shut up", and at the same time you are fine with Jinro calling Blizzard "retarded". I only wrote what I did because I thought TL cared about manners....that is why it seemed odd to me that the guy got banned, whereas Jinro didn't even got a warning. I'm not saying that people shouldn't voice their opinions (thanks for intentionally misrepresenting my point for the sake of winning the argument in a cheap way), I was just puzzled by the lack of consistency I gestured at. i don't see why it's so 'puzzling'. he replied to a rhetorical comment with 'shut up, blah blah blah' without even commenting on the topic. it was a personal attack. i don't see anything wrong with making a rhetorical comment implying that blizzard is 'retarded' for deciding to add a very controversial patch on the day before two huge events. it's hyperbole, and obviously not an insult to blizzard employees. be honest with yourself, are you really defending blizzard or are you just being a WUM?
Oh, please, I just said that Blizzard is wrong in patching before two major tournaments, and I'm definitely not a WUM. You are terrible at engaging in discussion. This is the second time you clearly misrepresent what I said. I won't continue with this conversation since it is clearly not fruitful (mainly because you are just being such a ZTK).
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On February 20 2012 07:07 IntoTheBush wrote:
Sweet, I can't wait to never play a Terran again!
I have to ask. On how many occasions do you get into late late game tvz? Most of the zvt's I play rarely get to the point where terran gets mass ghosts and I have a ton of bl/infestor/corruptor. I just don't get comments like these when I highly doubt you get into that scenario very much lol. But whatevs ^^.
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On February 20 2012 10:17 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 07:07 IntoTheBush wrote:
Sweet, I can't wait to never play a Terran again! I have to ask. On how many occasions do you get into late late game tvz? Most of the zvt's I play rarely get to the point where terran gets mass ghosts and I have a ton of bl/infestor/corruptor. I just don't get comments like these when I highly doubt you get into that scenario very much lol. But whatevs ^^.
It's a matter of principle. If terran lategame currently is crap, and blizzard nerfs the one ability that's holding lategame tvz together. What kind of motivation does that give you to play to the lategame, or even to keep practicing.
I've gotten to the stage where I could use ghosts in lategame tvz like 3-4 times total and the games more often than not end before that stage, so the practical difference isn't big. The issue is that the change is crap, pure and simple, and it combined with other things makes me discouraged to play because I don't feel like there's any worth to it. I look at the hots changes to terran, the new units for protoss and zerg, the recent changes to abiliites and I feel like the game is being taken in a bad direction.
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On February 20 2012 10:17 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 07:07 IntoTheBush wrote:
Sweet, I can't wait to never play a Terran again! I have to ask. On how many occasions do you get into late late game tvz? Most of the zvt's I play rarely get to the point where terran gets mass ghosts and I have a ton of bl/infestor/corruptor. I just don't get comments like these when I highly doubt you get into that scenario very much lol. But whatevs ^^.
With the new maps? All the time. I am one of the most aggressive players TVZ, I almost always do some heavy harass opening into a push if I can find a timing to attack into, but on something like Cloud kingdom you can't push/reinforce very well at all, and if you do your retreat options are very limited. Probably 80% of my games ended before the lategame a while ago but its more like 40-50% now.
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On February 20 2012 10:20 Dalavita wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 10:17 blade55555 wrote:On February 20 2012 07:07 IntoTheBush wrote:
Sweet, I can't wait to never play a Terran again! I have to ask. On how many occasions do you get into late late game tvz? Most of the zvt's I play rarely get to the point where terran gets mass ghosts and I have a ton of bl/infestor/corruptor. I just don't get comments like these when I highly doubt you get into that scenario very much lol. But whatevs ^^. It's a matter of principle. If terran lategame currently is crap, and blizzard nerfs the one ability that's holding lategame tvz together. What kind of motivation does that give you to play to the lategame, or even to keep practicing. I've gotten to the stage where I could use ghosts in lategame tvz like 3-4 times total and the games more often than not end before that stage, so the practical difference isn't big. The issue is that the change is crap, pure and simple, and it combined with other things makes me discouraged to play because I don't feel like there's any worth to it. I look at the hots changes to terran, the new units for protoss and zerg, the recent changes to abiliites and I feel like the game is being taken in a bad direction.
I agree with this they're approaching the balancing the wrong way. The game gets more dull every patch .
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On February 20 2012 10:17 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 07:07 IntoTheBush wrote:
Sweet, I can't wait to never play a Terran again! I have to ask. On how many occasions do you get into late late game tvz? Most of the zvt's I play rarely get to the point where terran gets mass ghosts and I have a ton of bl/infestor/corruptor. I just don't get comments like these when I highly doubt you get into that scenario very much lol. But whatevs ^^.
It's not about whether you get to the scenario or not, it's a fact that the more you improve the more lategame situations you'll be in and everyone knows TvZ is probably the matchup that goes to lategame the most often. It's really discouraging to try to improve at a game when you know at the end of the road is a hopeless endgame you'll almost never win. Why even try to play a macro game and get better if it's just a disadvantage?
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THANK YOU BASED BLIZZARD
Less Terran players winning is always a good thing. :D
As long as it doesn't affect my race negatively I don't give a damn about other races.
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I'm curious: why don't infestors hard counter ravens? Just fungal the group to hold them in place, then NP two of them and double seeker missile the whole group (which can't run away because of fungal), killing them all instantly. Neural Parasite only outranges Seeker Missile by 1, which would make it difficult to outrange successfully, were it not for the fact that you can use fungal to hold the ravens still...
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On February 20 2012 10:50 Matrijs wrote:
I'm curious: why don't infestors hard counter ravens? Just fungal the group to hold them in place, then NP two of them and double seeker missile the whole group (which can't run away because of fungal), killing them all instantly. Neural Parasite only outranges Seeker Missile by 1, which would make it difficult to outrange successfully, were it not for the fact that you can use fungal to hold the ravens still...
The day this happens is the day pimpest plays returns.
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On February 20 2012 11:00 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 10:50 Matrijs wrote:
I'm curious: why don't infestors hard counter ravens? Just fungal the group to hold them in place, then NP two of them and double seeker missile the whole group (which can't run away because of fungal), killing them all instantly. Neural Parasite only outranges Seeker Missile by 1, which would make it difficult to outrange successfully, were it not for the fact that you can use fungal to hold the ravens still... The day this happens is the day pimpest plays returns.
It will happen as soon as terrans start using ravens, i.e it won't happen because of that situation :p
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