Team Reign Disbands - Page 36

On February 19 2012 11:18 VillageBC wrote:
It didn't make sense for IGN to be promoting a league as well as a team. Doesn't change the fact that it's still a shame though. Kiwikaki to EG.

On February 19 2012 03:25 mTwTT1 wrote:


i think players should start leaving teams whenever they feel like it from now on aswell, lets even things out
if we cant trust teams anymore then they shouldnt be able to trust us either, right?

edit: and i have no idea wat ur talking about when u say they were getting no return on their investment, our job's as players is to advertise our sponsors and thats wat they were doing, on top of that they were putting up better results(in teamleagues) than teams that had like 10-20x their payrolls

this is why we need a players union but theres no one we can turn to to start something like that up.. we have 0 job security because our industry is a joke

On February 19 2012 04:08 Gheed wrote:


A job at walmart stocking shelves has more job security and probably pays more for much less effort than a progamer exerts. I don't see why you seem to think it's unreasonable for a player to desire more job security. I don't see how reign was underperforming, either; IGN only sponsored them for like 6 months.

On February 19 2012 06:54 Nizzy wrote:
This is going to sound BM and ignorant because I just don't play anymore, I just don't know how else to say it. However even when he was in VT gaming back in late 2010, early 2011 and when my old team elevengaming would match VT in clan wars, our whole team always thought Spades was not a good player. I'm just really surprised a whole organization would rally or promote him as a brand like IGN did or even as Frank pushed for it.

That information is coming from the esfiworld article about Reign.

I mean come on, Spades has only been able to average 80 viewers and he was streaming (featured) for a very long time. Just not a smart decision imo... He's just not even a fan favorite. Reign would have done better keeping Pokebunny and promoting him over Spades..

On February 19 2012 12:48 LloydRays wrote:
Who else thinks ROOT gaming should reform?

On February 19 2012 11:55 oiran wrote:


Both Spades and Kiwikaki were in IPL1. I think that's why IGN believed they were the most marketable players. They knew those players from working with them before and I guess they felt that meant more than anything. We told them again and again that Artist was consistently referred to as our best player, but I don't think that meant much.

Frank, Spades, and Exia (founding member, was supposed to be the team coach) actually wanted to keep Pokebunny for Reign, but because he was underage and still a full-time student there were limitations on what Reign could or would offer him. He went to All4one as a result. [I don't know all the details on this though, because I was only observing it from the outside. I didn't become part of the team's administrative staff until a few weeks later.] Since then though, Pokebunny actually came to us with the idea of coming back, but it was so recently that we didn't really have a chance to talk things over with him or his current team.

On February 19 2012 12:50 jmbthirteen wrote:

can't have ROOT without Catz and Drewbie and I doubt they leave coL

On February 19 2012 12:54 LloydRays wrote:

I didn't say 'why don't they reform?' i asked 'who thinks they should reform?'

On February 19 2012 12:54 Pokebunny wrote:

Are you Dawn?

I dunno what I should say, but I don't think anyone on the old VT team really thought that spades was a level above everyone else, and his attitude was a bit.. disrespectful to everyone else.

VT wanted to keep me as VT. If you recall, they were planning to keep the VT squad, and send those top performing members to events and consider them for reign. Considering my position in the scene/team at the time, I didn't feel that was fair to be - felt like I was being cut even though I delivered solid results then. Basically, to make the most of Reign, I would have to commit to a team house - if I was older and able to do that at the time of Reign forming, I think I almost certainly would have been kept. I didn't feel like reign was going to be offering me what I wanted in the future, as I felt their main priority was the house and having players live there.

And yes, I actually did talk to reign about joining their team about two weeks ago. I chose not to and stayed with itsgosu, ironically because I felt itsgosu was more stable as far as sponsors go. Someone actually even said to me, and this is one of the things that influenced my decision: "If you were IGN, would you be happy with Reign's performance?" to which I said "probably not". Reign did seem a little bit to be on the downswing, although even I definitely did not expect this to happen, even having been in negotiations with Reign until one week before they disbanded with no warning of such happening. @_@

On February 19 2012 13:27 oiran wrote:


Yep yep, Dawn here.

I never sat in on the conversations, I just heard it mostly through Frank as it was happening. I think he was really torn and wanted you there but was dealing with a lot of pressure from the other people on staff who didn't want to allocate salary to you because of your age and how much you'd be able to commit with school. Ultimately, I don't think that would have mattered since the practice hours they picked would have worked out for you. I wish now that I'd been more involved in Reign management when it was formed though. I never would have expected their decisions in June to have affected things now, in February, but they did.

I am glad you stayed with It's Gosu though. For stability, like you said, and because with Doa working with you guys now I have a lot of expectations for what the team can become. I am a bit sad that you left VT though. A day or two before you left I told Frank I had wanted to take over managing VT since no one else had stepped up. He said he'd want to have a talk with the players about that, and then before we had the chance everyone was gone except Avilo and MrBitter (and we already knew then MrBitter was going to Germany.) I would have really liked to see what I could have done with VT on my own, with my own contacts and sponsors from the WoW world.

On February 19 2012 04:08 Gheed wrote:


A job at walmart stocking shelves has more job security and probably pays more for much less effort than a progamer exerts. I don't see why you seem to think it's unreasonable for a player to desire more job security. I don't see how reign was underperforming, either; IGN only sponsored them for like 6 months.