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Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
February 15 2012 08:55 GMT
#241
Its a bit sad that a entire community is fixated on one casting duo (tastosis). Im trying to figure this phenomena out but i got nothing so far...
pampelmus
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Switzerland215 Posts
February 15 2012 08:57 GMT
#242
On February 15 2012 17:14 CHaseza wrote:
I think Day[9] is a over rated caster. Much prefer the new lot of casters. Mr Bitter and Rotti are the best to me.


True.
Xulatis
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany34 Posts
February 15 2012 08:57 GMT
#243
The casters are nice, the players are nice, the payment structure is certainly not. But recently i have come across some very nice casters from the ESV weekly (esp. Orb and Adebisi doing great in a team). They don't exaggerate too much, don't use the same jokes over and over (getting very annoying on the GSL sometimes.. Sometimes silence for a minute is not too bad of a thing while the observer pans over the important stuff).

What i cannot understand is, that all the tournament organizers don't make one cooperation tournament (like with 32 or 64 players and every organizer can send in players according to their ranking and with additional qualifiers) once a year, where the pricepool is really really big and not such a shitworthy 25k (which is nothing compared to the organization / event costs at all [and i don't really get it, fly players in for 100k and ONLY pay out 25k I DONT GET IT, WHAT A WASTE OF MONEY RIGHT THERE]) and they put up like 250k$ pricepool and a whooping 150k for the first place. I'm pretty sure, people would pay (and I would as well) 20$ to watch such a epic one time a year event.

But for now, the esports is becoming more "sceny" than ever with the viewership involved getting more thinner to only SC2 players. Such a community can only grow if new "players" get "sucked" into it in the first place, which will never happen with such spread events, which cannot grab the attention of the "whole gaming scene".

One more thing about all the PPV things. I think it's the first step to professionalize the scene, but what should be done, is really, WORK TOGETHER (this is fucking fucking fucking uberhard in our modern society, because everyone wants to MAXIMIZE their own profit and so on.), and for example make a payment system or plan which encorporates different major leagues like ESL, MLG, IPL and maybe GSL. So at least for major events, one could use a unified payment scheme. Of course this would need a major change in planning of big events and cooperation in the first place, which will likely in my opinion in this "community" state, never happen.

(I for one, only pay for GSL and GSTL light on a season base, because the yearly scheme is not worth anything to me and should not to everyone. You get like 5$ rebate, but what if you don't want to watch after the mid of the year, because you suddenly lose interest? Bam you lost the half of the yearly scheme, which is certainly higher than 5$...)

At the end, everyone has to decide for themselves how much the service is worth for them. But don't forget, of your 20$, likely 19$ go to some cooperation, while like 1$ is paid out to the actual players, who are the REAL REASON, why such a community can exist sustainingly.

As a final statement, i see myself as a regular player, playing his 2-3 hours a day and watching like a 1.5-2.0 hours of average stream per day. This statement is just added, so you can judge after (maybe) reading this, what type of viewer/player I am.
Jamial
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark1289 Posts
February 15 2012 09:02 GMT
#244
I'll ask again: Where is Day9??
Flaf?
krisss
Profile Joined November 2010
Luxembourg305 Posts
February 15 2012 09:03 GMT
#245
On February 15 2012 11:59 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 10:28 DoomsVille wrote:
On February 15 2012 10:11 VirgilSC2 wrote:
MLG: We're losing money on this deal, and trying to make some of it back.

>Flies casters in from Korea instead of using casters based in America

Don't be an idiot. We both know the gained viewers from featuring tastosis more than makes up for the expenses to bring them over. Not having them literally guarantees no one will watch.

Not everybody is crazy about Tastosis.

I personally don't think they're the best of the best out there. I tend to prefer casters who keep a closer eye on the player scene they represent (i.e. Korea) and while I understand they're both busy individuals with lives outside of casting, I find it very unappealing that half the time they aren't even up to date/correct on happenings within the GSL.


True, i feel the same. IMO tasteless didnt play any SC2 since min. 1 year, and knows less progamers than a regular GSL watcher

But this western SC2 universe is ruled by the great 3 dictators, Tastosis and day9. When theres no dictator present at a major event, the crowd revolts!
life is like fighting a dinosaur.. it's pretty hard.
xSilverx
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden76 Posts
February 15 2012 09:34 GMT
#246
God Sweden and korea dominating. Both got members in each poll. ofc kora got morebut i mean it´s korea, but players like Sase haypro Sjow Naniwa merz thorzain... but i miss jinro and Seiplo. And i must add that i think the caster crew is a fail.... no husky no day9.... Maybe if u gave some cool guy a chance like McDuffs and Antarah from Imbatv crew that would have been something but these casters are trash exept tasteossis.
Clarityxo
Profile Joined April 2011
Scotland174 Posts
February 15 2012 09:36 GMT
#247
Yaaaay! I love Rob Pimpson, probably gonna buy the PPV now.
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
February 15 2012 09:41 GMT
#248
On February 15 2012 18:02 Jamial wrote:
I'll ask again: Where is Day9??


As he isn't casting maybe he's busy or there's not enough money to have him flown over to cast.
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
February 15 2012 09:46 GMT
#249
On February 15 2012 18:36 Clarityxo wrote:
Yaaaay! I love Rob Pimpson, probably gonna buy the PPV now.


Him and MR Bitter made a really nice combo last weekend. I enjoyed them alot.
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
Sava90
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark144 Posts
February 15 2012 09:50 GMT
#250
I'm gonna be following the event from liquidpedia $20 is just too much to pay.
Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the present.
Dvriel
Profile Joined November 2011
607 Posts
February 15 2012 10:28 GMT
#251
20$ fon only one signle event...Its not a lot of money,but its too much for what they are gonna show u.Players are ok,but i dont get it,why do they need our money?What about sponsors?They got a lot.And if not,just dont organize anything man!I am sure they got lot of benefits,but want MORE.As always.Is same as GSL.When nobody watch,no organizer want money.The time they realised,there are lot of people watching,begin to ask for money.Just want more and more.Not fair.U got ur adds on stream and everyone is watching sponsosrs logos all around the world.How much this cost to sponsors??Isnt it enough?I dont pay for GSL,neither i will for MLG or any tournament.To watch other people playing..At least,i hope u can download the replays instantly..but i preffer to wait some days and download them from some web...
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
February 15 2012 10:33 GMT
#252
^

Exactly why I'm not gonna buy ticket. There's so much sponsor money in esports that there is no need to rip off fans.
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
February 15 2012 10:45 GMT
#253
On February 15 2012 18:02 Jamial wrote:
I'll ask again: Where is Day9??


Someone else booked him, Before MLG could.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 15 2012 11:05 GMT
#254
Fuck that. Insane. But 20$. Ain't going to happen.
Make it 10$ and 5$ for Gold Members. Or 5$ for everybody.

It looks awesome though. Sadly no live audience.
I had a good night of sleep.
natebreen
Profile Joined June 2011
United States184 Posts
February 15 2012 11:44 GMT
#255
On February 15 2012 19:33 zezamer wrote:
^

Exactly why I'm not gonna buy ticket. There's so much sponsor money in esports that there is no need to rip off fans.


You know the reality of sponsor money in e-sports how?

Remember, sponsors having their name on a list can be a MULTITUDE of things, ranging from providing video cards to providing posters and print advertising.

It doesn't necessarily mean they're just writing checks to MLG.
babybell
Profile Joined June 2011
776 Posts
February 15 2012 11:52 GMT
#256
I think one of the main things they are missing here is that a large part of the audience is underaged. Yes these kids can force their parents to buy them razer gear but they can't extract a credit card just so they can sit on their computer for a weekend. I don't really see this PPV working for them. And I'm happy about it.
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
February 15 2012 11:52 GMT
#257
Husky? Day9?
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
Callobono
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway57 Posts
February 15 2012 12:03 GMT
#258
Has day 9 actualy done anything besides his daily for ages now?
Never loved his casting anyway might actualy get the mlg pass if hes at asembly lol
Josh111
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States239 Posts
February 15 2012 12:13 GMT
#259
I hated Rob Simpson's casting at IEM but maybe I was the only one?...
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
February 15 2012 12:17 GMT
#260
On February 15 2012 17:57 pampelmus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 17:14 CHaseza wrote:
I think Day[9] is a over rated caster. Much prefer the new lot of casters. Mr Bitter and Rotti are the best to me.


True.


MrBitter and RotterdaM are the shit man.
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