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ShuttingFromTheSky
Profile Joined December 2011
Japan199 Posts
February 11 2012 21:37 GMT
#81
I was only able to watch the last broadcast (JP + Khaldor) so it might not be that representative but I have to say that I enjoyed it quite a lot. I'd definitely tune in again provided I'm still awake at the time of the broadcast.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
February 11 2012 23:05 GMT
#82
On February 12 2012 06:18 Serpico wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 06:09 turdburgler wrote:
On February 11 2012 17:18 BrightSideSC2 wrote:
On February 11 2012 11:24 DarkenedLite wrote:
Really disappointing to read through this thread and to see this generally very negative attitude about the casting in particular especially when the criticism is something so small as the caster's location. We do not watch events like the MLG Winter Qualifier because of the caster's environment, we watch for good games, enjoyable production, and strong casting in all of its forms may that be game knowledge, excitement level, voice, inflection, speed, and all of the other countless factors that go into it. All of that I can understand constructively criticizing, but when I see an oddly high amount of responses making harsh remarks about the caster's location, it gives me pause.

Yes, I understand that it's important that MLG put on a clean and professional production to help show the legitimacy of our niche, but when that becomes the focal point of a series of derogatory remarks then it starts to become a problem in my eyes. Contrary to what seems to be the popular belief, Day[9], Tasteless, and Artosis cannot cast every single event. Day[9] is a busy man and obviously he can't commit time to the abundance of tournaments that we're seeing in the pro scene and he's also decided to focus primarily on his own projects. The same issue applies for Artosis and Tasteless. They are mainly tied to the GSL and won't be casting many other tournaments often.

With that said, it really bothers me when MLG asks for feedback and the general response is "these casters are so bad, why don't you have better ones." Constructive criticism will always have its merit, but that's hardly constructive or even useful. If we refuse to even consider these new up-and-coming casters then it's hard to say that we'll have a good future ahead of us. If we remain stagnant and stick with the mentality that "these are the only casters worth a damn" then there's no opportunity for the scene to grow and improve, only to shrink. Every caster has to start somewhere. Day9, Tasteless, and Artosis didn't hone their skills over night nor did they reach their level of fandom in the first week, month, year, or even several years. These things take time and when we turn a blind eye to any kind of new talent then we'll never see another caster rise up like they did. It just won't happen.

No, I'm not saying that we should freely accept every new caster with open arms and no reservation. I'm not saying that we shouldn't point out weaknesses in an individual's casting ability, especially if they are abundant. I simply want to encourage everyone here to be a bit more open-minded and objective. Don't put a caster down because you don't know him or because he's not very close to the level of the best in the business. Give him advice, tell him what he's doing wrong, and don't point out flaws simply out of spite or apathy. If we as a community take those steps, I honestly feel like we'll have an abundance of amazing casters to fill the increasing amount of positions that are continually popping up in our growing scene. Simply put, we need to give these people a chance for them to truly shine.



I could not have said it better. This is EXACTLY what I came here to post, and this person got to it first. Thank you Thank you Thank you. Now, if only we could wave a magic wand an make everyone as open-minded. ~Be Happy~



what? "what can we do better?" "oh theres some things but since it was 80% good we wont bother telling you"

how helpful. people are posting criticisms, they arent being negative, thats not the same thing

Criticisms without insight into how to improve are completely worthless. Might as well call it a vent thread for casting.


if i was able to tell them exactly how to run a perfect broadcast i would expect a pay cheque to do so. they are asking for people to do half the work for them for free. they dont expect you to include a 12 page document on costings and feasibility.


SACtheXchng
Profile Joined January 2011
168 Posts
February 12 2012 02:19 GMT
#83
On February 11 2012 11:24 DarkenedLite wrote:Don't put a caster down because you don't know him or because he's not very close to the level of the best in the business. Give him advice, tell him what he's doing wrong, and don't point out flaws simply out of spite or apathy. If we as a community take those steps, I honestly feel like we'll have an abundance of amazing casters to fill the increasing amount of positions that are continually popping up in our growing scene. Simply put, we need to give these people a chance for them to truly shine.


The problem with casters who are "...not very close to the level of the best in the business." is that the best casters in the SC2 business still all suck from a pure technical point of view. With (to my knowledge) one exception, which is TotalBiscuit, who I highly suspect has had some kind of professional speech training, EVERYONE in the casting business is basically a "learning by doing" amateur. Seriously, has anyone ever tried counting the amount of "Uhs" a "best in the business" guy like Tasteless drops during a single cast?

Now if you have a guy who is "...not very close to the level of the best in the business." you are entering "unbearable" territory.

Add to that the fact that a company that named itself similar, and uses a similar logo to one of the biggest sports franchises in the world, has a guy casting from his bedroom, and it's just wow wtf unacceptable.

[image loading] CHOSE to sound and look like [image loading]

No one forced them to do that, but in times where it is openly discussed whether or not organizations like MLG should charge their viewers PPV style, I think it's only fair to hold them accountable to the standards they set for themselves with that name and logo choice.

I mean, you (MLG) might all be just a bunch of college kids, and that's fine by me. Just please don't ever pretend you're somethíng better, if you even fail to get your casters two of these (Image below) with your logo on it so they can put these up in their college dorm room bedrooms when they are casting Major League Gaming. That he in fact SHOULD be in an MLG studio goes without saying, but if you fail to do even that, I'll laugh at each and everyone who mentions SC2 and PPV in the same sentence.
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Marddox
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom108 Posts
February 12 2012 19:12 GMT
#84
Just here to let you know to keep up the good work!
We didn't have no "4 gates" back in the probe drought, no sir! we only had 1 gate, chrono and probes to defend!
MLGPuckett
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3 Posts
February 13 2012 01:39 GMT
#85
BUMP - Anyone have feedback on tonight's show?

(Mods: sorry if bumping is frowned upon)
www.majorleaguegaming.com
FreudianTrip
Profile Joined July 2011
Switzerland1983 Posts
February 13 2012 01:49 GMT
#86
Why all the dubstep? It's an incredibly grating genre. I mean it's better than that awful cheesy ass guitar riff that repeated itself over and over and over and over but that's like saying Franco was better than Hitler.
IFgogogosu
Profile Joined February 2012
15 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 02:10:49
February 13 2012 02:08 GMT
#87
Since JP asked for feedback:

I have watched every night thus far. Here is my report card:

EU day 1 JP/Apollo - (A+) Great games and solid casting.
EU day 2 JP/Apollo - (A-) " "
EU day 3 JP/Tumbas - (B-) - Production stanpoint was ok, tumbas dropped, and he doesn't know EU like Apollo!
EU day 4 JP/Tumbas - (B+) - Great games, solid casting, and one name above all VIOLET! LAG though!

KR day1 JP/Robin - (F) - Audio problems, replay issues, and no offense to Robin, just didn't enjoy the cast. Tuned out.
KR day2 JP/Khaldor - (B) - A step up from day 1 for sure! Everything was on point could tell you guys listend to fans.
KR day3 JP/Wolf - (A-) - Some sound issues and wolf dropped a few times.
KR day4 JP/Wolf - (A+) - Barring any major screw ups tonight looks great.
Tetelestia
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6 Posts
February 13 2012 02:41 GMT
#88
I'd really like it if MLG would integreate the easier to view supply value overlay of Blizzard with their own overlay of actual player name and series standing.
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
February 13 2012 02:45 GMT
#89
The stream quality/stability needs to be tweaked a bit.
Lemonayd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States745 Posts
February 25 2012 00:46 GMT
#90
Please don't put casters in what looks like a corner.

Player cams for everyone please,+ Show Spoiler +
I wanted to see Nesteas face after game 1 with demuslim


Synapze
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada563 Posts
February 25 2012 00:48 GMT
#91
Tried to privately restream so I could watch on my 60" TV with 2 friends, JTV bans me, takes away my PPV and doesn't even contact me. Great service.
Yuri Victoria LMJ ~♥
Lemonayd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States745 Posts
February 25 2012 00:48 GMT
#92
On February 25 2012 09:48 Synapze wrote:
Tried to privately restream so I could watch on my 60" TV with 2 friends, JTV bans me, takes away my PPV and doesn't even contact me. Great service.

you didn't think you would get in trouble for that?
ReapeZ
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom19 Posts
February 25 2012 00:51 GMT
#93
stop fucking saying ive been bumped from the stream!!!!.

seriously u make me pay 20 fucking dollars to watch a black screen, with all the fuckups you've made you cant even get this right.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 00:54:14
February 25 2012 00:52 GMT
#94
I keep getting bumped off of streams and occasionally have to re-login to all 5 streams. Even though I'm logged in to JTV, it doesn't recognize it for whatever reason so refreshing when that happens doesn't fix it. Only going through the login screen for each window does. :|

Not pleased so far.

Game and caster wise it's been fine, but I think this interface is worse than the Quadview MLG has used in the past.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 00:52:53
February 25 2012 00:52 GMT
#95
On February 25 2012 09:51 ReapeZ wrote:
stop fucking saying ive been bumped from the stream!!!!.

seriously u make me pay 20 fucking dollars to watch a black screen, with all the fuckups you've made you cant even get this right.


HorsemasterK
Profile Joined August 2010
United States606 Posts
February 25 2012 00:52 GMT
#96
I keep getting disconnected from twitch and forced to log in again.
hooktits
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States972 Posts
February 25 2012 00:56 GMT
#97
On February 25 2012 09:52 Jibba wrote:
I keep getting bumped off of streams and occasionally have to re-login to all 5 streams. Even though I'm logged in to JTV, it doesn't recognize it for whatever reason so refreshing when that happens doesn't fix it. Only going through the login screen for each window does. :|

Not pleased so far.

Game and caster wise it's been fine, but I think this interface is worse than the Quadview MLG has used in the past.


Im getting the same problems, its really pissing me off, i understand things happen but they gotta work these bugs out before hand that kinda stuff is just unacceptable.
Hooktits of Tits gaming @hooktits twit
HorsemasterK
Profile Joined August 2010
United States606 Posts
February 25 2012 00:59 GMT
#98
I am now unable to log in to any of the streams. This is great.
MLG-Kyle
Profile Joined November 2010
United States123 Posts
February 25 2012 01:00 GMT
#99
Hey guys - we're seeing a very small portion of our users being affected by this issue. We are actively working to address the problem and I'll let you know when a fix is in place. If you are seeing this issue, please post here.

Thank you
Skuller
Profile Joined September 2010
United States197 Posts
February 25 2012 01:01 GMT
#100
Unable to get subscription to show up on twitch. paypal says that the payment was received already.
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