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Tracers
United States7 Posts
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lordselthon
Canada12 Posts
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LambtrOn
United States671 Posts
On February 10 2012 10:09 ;,; wrote: This lisp is driving me crazy. I didn't find it annoying at all. In fact, I could barely notice it. My only complaint is that he talked for a bit too long at some points. | ||
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Tracers
United States7 Posts
On February 10 2012 11:07 lordselthon wrote: the one big thing that makes me sad at times while watching an MLG stream is that you see the same things over and over again on breaks. It would be awesome if you guys could get some new content to put into the breaks. i know it's hard to get the production staff to work on that type of stuff but there are a lot of great things out there you could use to fill those gaps (after you get in the stuff you have to so the sponsers are happy lol) Can't agree with this more. There is so much content possibility that if you just have like 2 people dedicated to it they could fill up hours upon hours of content I'm sure. It'd be a full time job sure, but worth it? hell yes. | ||
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AphexSCV
3 Posts
On February 10 2012 10:50 Tracers wrote: I'm not usually very critical of casters but Robin really in my opinion shouldn't be at this level of casting exposure. The chat was going insane, and it just got me to thinking - people need to speak up about what they like and don't like. And to be honest I think MLG needs to continue on it's path of success and put out only the best and quality casters - Robin is unfortunately not up to par in my opinion. Robin speaks so fast, I can't understand a word he's saying...how is that enjoyable? Had the same issue when he was on the beta streams, I supported him then...it was a big venue, nerves - whatever...tonight for the KR qualifiers there shouldn't be any excuse especially since he got panned so hard, and seems to have completely disregarded all criticism and kept blasting along at 1000 miles an hour, and game knowledge doesn't really seem to have improved either, aside from Zerg which he knows pretty well, but obviously casters need to be pretty aware of all 3 races. I really don't mean to be offensive but if eSports is to grow and we all have to do our part, criticising is a big part of that so that the people who do work hard to put out content, continue to strive to be better. ^ That sums it up best. As stated I watched every night and I couldn't get through it tonight it was that bad. I expect much better from MLG. I hate to say it, but Robin ruined the cast for me. I was very much looking forward the the Korean Qualifier too.  I don't feel like MLG takes SC2 seriously unless they are at a live event. | ||
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Tobblish
Sweden6404 Posts
Talks to fast - maybe fast but I can always here what he is saying, would be cool if he only ramped up when the fight was going down. (like real sport commentators) Knowledge - Insane! This guy has the watch some serious amount of Starcraft, always predicts the coolest builds and if they are used more on one region etc some pretty cool stuff to get as a viewer. Gotten shit because he didn't cover up the background so you can see that he casts from his bedroom... Seriously? Has Starcraft fallen to a shitty low that if we don't see a professional studio the sky falls down? Just my 2cent | ||
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krisss
Luxembourg305 Posts
This feels like its a torture for JP and the other guy to cast games. Just get any random 2 sc2 casters and they will do it better. 0 excitement. 0 passion. Nowadays theres always 5 sc2 tournament any time of the day. To stand out you just need to entertain more.. | ||
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Vega0
United States3 Posts
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Robin_thewonder
154 Posts
On February 10 2012 10:54 Tracers wrote: I was told to come to this thread to give my feedback on MLG casters and such! Won't repost, but here's the link to my post! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=310416¤tpage=7#126 Thanks for the feedback. I have been working hard as hell in slowing down my speech, but the sudden shock of hopping into casting a huge stream at last minute seemed to have hit me pretty hard. I am sorry for the fast speech and hope to have the chance to show what I can do when I do slow down. As for my room...Sorry man, its where I live and I have a roomate, so a quiet place for me to cast is pretty hard to find. Next time I get to cast, ill rent out a whole venue and decorate it to your liking :p With that, thanks for the feedback from everyone and a HUGE thank you to MLG for allowing me to be on their stream. The kindness from this team is amazing and it was an honor to cast with JP. Cheers, Robin | ||
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Psylence
Canada118 Posts
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benzcity07
United States79 Posts
Additionally, there are far too many times when I can hear a Korean casting team in the background of a tournament or from a replay and envy at the crazy energy and excitement in their voice. Even simple early pressure sounds like a potentially game ending engagement is about to occure and I can't get enought of it! I got a very strong sense of that from you today. Now I believe there was also possibly a little bit of frantic mixed in with the energy, but I have no doubt that could be smoothed over and lead to an even better cast. Again great job today! I thoroughly enjoyed it and can't wait to see more casting from you, as I know if I tune in I will be guided to a lot of detail I otherwise wouldn't have notice, consequently learning a ton about the game I love, and engulfed with an infectious amount of energy. Thank you dude. | ||
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PtrPrkr
United States7 Posts
On February 10 2012 09:58 IFgogogosu wrote: + Show Spoiler + All I know is the cast tonight is pretty bad. It's the Korean qualifier and they have a kid that appears to be 12 and in his bedroom that said he didn't know the Korean scene during a game. IEM has Bitter, Rotterdam, Rob Simpson MLG has a little kid that obviously doesn't know the match ups or players. He speaks waay to fast also. Here is a fact, He never said code S or code A once during the cast. MLG you really need to step it up. I may sound critical, but being nice cause you are MLG won't help you improve. I would love to meet the genius that said, yeah lets put this guy on. (for anyone who had seen the reddit thread, I posted something similar, I just feel strongly enough to add this in both places) Oh my goodness, IEM has Pro Casters. Good, but where did all the Pro casters come from? Did they begin that way? Pretty sure not. If no one EVER gave them a chance in any spotlight, they would not BE where they are now. I thank MLG for their community caster group because THATS how you grow something. You give people chances and opportunities from which to learn and grow so that they can further contribute. As for the '12-yr-old in his room' comment you made - I seem to recall a very popular caster who does a show FROM his room where you can see just about everything in the background. It was hard to tell that was a bedroom where Robin was - just looked like a white wall with a door to me, but maybe I'm missing something. From what I understand, (from his twitter post I saw) Robin was asked to cast at the last minute. NOT the last week, day, or even hour, but the very last MINUTE because Wolf was unable. And as far as Playhem's "better" casters - It's very possible they were not available either, though I do wonder by whose judgement makes anyone "better" than the next? I watch Playhem, and I've heard Robin cast quite a few times, and do other broadcasts with them. I've heard him tell some people in the chat that he has a full time job as well, and casts playhem something like 20-25 hours a week. There are not a lot of code A or code S players who join Playhem tournaments on a daily basis - you know - with playing in gsl and all. OF COURSE Robin's not going to have a vast knowledge of the Korean scene if he's spending every awake hour either casting EU and NA players OR working to make a living. The fact that he came on to cast at the last minute was great in itself, because he may well have broken OTHER plans for the evening to do so - and that just further grounds his dedication to the community. Obviously, your opinions are yours, IFgogogosu, and I'm not trying to sell you on anything, but I hope someone else who might read this will agree, and see that what MLG is doing is great for the community as a whole, because they are putting their neck on the line and giving people chances to shine/improve/grow esports. Thanks MLG. | ||
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theofficial
12 Posts
On February 10 2012 17:41 PtrPrkr wrote: (for anyone who had seen the reddit thread, I posted something similar, I just feel strongly enough to add this in both places) Oh my goodness, IEM has Pro Casters. Good, but where did all the Pro casters come from? Did they begin that way? Pretty sure not. If no one EVER gave them a chance in any spotlight, they would not BE where they are now. I thank MLG for their community caster group because THATS how you grow something. You give people chances and opportunities from which to learn and grow so that they can further contribute. As for the '12-yr-old in his room' comment you made - I seem to recall a very popular caster who does a show FROM his room where you can see just about everything in the background. It was hard to tell that was a bedroom where Robin was - just looked like a white wall with a door to me, but maybe I'm missing something. From what I understand, (from his twitter post I saw) Robin was asked to cast at the last minute. NOT the last week, day, or even hour, but the very last MINUTE because Wolf was unable. And as far as Playhem's "better" casters - It's very possible they were not available either, though I do wonder by whose judgement makes anyone "better" than the next? I watch Playhem, and I've heard Robin cast quite a few times, and do other broadcasts with them. I've heard him tell some people in the chat that he has a full time job as well, and casts playhem something like 20-25 hours a week. There are not a lot of code A or code S players who join Playhem tournaments on a daily basis - you know - with playing in gsl and all. OF COURSE Robin's not going to have a vast knowledge of the Korean scene if he's spending every awake hour either casting EU and NA players OR working to make a living. The fact that he came on to cast at the last minute was great in itself, because he may well have broken OTHER plans for the evening to do so - and that just further grounds his dedication to the community. Obviously, your opinions are yours, IFgogogosu, and I'm not trying to sell you on anything, but I hope someone else who might read this will agree, and see that what MLG is doing is great for the community as a whole, because they are putting their neck on the line and giving people chances to shine/improve/grow esports. Thanks MLG. 1.) you are part of the playhem machine as stated on Reddit here: http://www.reddit.com/user/PtPrkr 2.) This Robin guy is a league of legends player not an SC2 player: http://i.imgur.com/SW8pl.jpg 3.) You have your own motive because you think you have an "in" with MLG 4.) These people said it best imho b/c it is the truth WITHOUT MOTIVE other than improvement of stream: TerranTerror1 ok 1 are you actually comparing this Robin guy to Day9? Really? I don't care how you try and package it. This is lipstick on a pig. That cast was bad no matter how you cut it. It was a BAD LOOK for MLG. If they want to give community people a chance then do it with a small event geared toward people that want to watch that. NOT A KOREAN QUALIFIER FOR MLG! To me it seems like MLG is moving backwards. How do they not have the connections to get some other caster? Who's judgement makes anyone "better" how about the majority of fans? Case in point... since you compared this guy to Day 9 I will do my own comparison. A poll goes up who would you rather have cast this Korean qualifier Artosis or Gretorp. Is Artosis going to win hands down? Yes because he is a better caster. Nothing against Gretorp just the way it is. Not everyone is cut out to cast for MLG, however you wouldn't know it from day 1 of the Korean Qualifier. I want to point out I don't think any of this is Robins fault per say. What was he going to say no MLG I don't want to do this. No it's MLG's fault for taking someone totally unprepared and thrusting them into a situation they aren't ready for. We saw it at NASL and IPL too. As an avid GSL watcher I can tell you that cast was horrible and it's MLG's fault not Robins. Someone screwed up bad. SuperPandas I understand the motive to bring on new casters and feature new people, but I think you can probably screen them a bit better. Robin doesn't belong on an MLG stream IMHO - MLG is known for top notch production value, casting and games. No offense to Robin seriously but dude you got a lot of good feedback from the beta streams and it just sounds like you tossed it all out the fucking window. If a caster doesn't listen to his listeners and improve, I don't see a place for them in the spotlight. Just my opinion. Stimme Seriously MLG what do you expect me to say? As a fan of SC I am shocked you had the balls to make a reddit post after the way that broadcast went. Leaked results, poor production ex: lag, music over casters, stream crashes. As if all of that wasn't bad enough this Robin guy to co-cast with JP from his bedroom? I don't even care to elaborate on him. Sorry no pat on the back from me, can't do it. As much of an MLG fan as I am no way can I say good job. If I was a sponsor I would have been pissed. Who is in charge of quality control? I know a bunch of people were fired, I think it's starting to show.... Gretrock I know that all the playhem reddit machine will down vote this but I don't care. Robin is terrible and it shows. Speaks to fast, doesn't have knowledge of the game, and frankly I was embarrassed FOR MLG. Looked like a fan boy in his room Put MLG against the IEM casters and tell me they compare. Playhem has much better casters to choose from than Robin. You don't see IEM or IPL using these guys because they actually care about production unlike MLG. remember Dallas? Downvote away truth hurts. I can go on and on. Now I also know the motivation for your posts because I know you. I'm guessing MLG isn't going to hire you and Robin probably can't help you get a job with them. It won't help Robin if you blow smoke, nor will it help MLG. They will end up in the same mess that NASL found themselves in if they continue to cheapen their stream. If MLG is satisfied with the korean coverage of Day1 then God Bless them, I just have higher standards that's all. I would rather pay for Artosis and Tastless than watch last nights cast for free. MLG has an ability to always bounce back though. Hopefully they do. | ||
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CarlosOmse
Germany507 Posts
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Pure-SC2
United Kingdom1440 Posts
Also think there needs to be a more analytical type of caster with either JP or Tumba (or w/e his name was). It felt like it was missing something without that angle for me, so I tuned out pretty quick and ended up watching something else. | ||
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Nighthawks28
United States232 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On February 10 2012 12:48 Robin_thewonder wrote: Thanks for the feedback. I have been working hard as hell in slowing down my speech, but the sudden shock of hopping into casting a huge stream at last minute seemed to have hit me pretty hard. I am sorry for the fast speech and hope to have the chance to show what I can do when I do slow down. As for my room...Sorry man, its where I live and I have a roomate, so a quiet place for me to cast is pretty hard to find. Next time I get to cast, ill rent out a whole venue and decorate it to your liking :p With that, thanks for the feedback from everyone and a HUGE thank you to MLG for allowing me to be on their stream. The kindness from this team is amazing and it was an honor to cast with JP. Cheers, Robin It didn't disturbed me (but I have to admit that if I invited friends to show them sc2 it would have :D) But you don't need to rent a room, a different camera angle would do the job imo. Or just a "blanket" behind you. | ||
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AceHawKK
United States3 Posts
On February 10 2012 20:55 theofficial wrote: Looked like a fan boy in his room Yeah, no good casters follow that model. | ||
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theofficial
12 Posts
On February 11 2012 02:48 AceHawKK wrote: Yeah, no good casters follow that model. Can you honestly compare him to Day9 or Artosis. Please. I believe MLG should hold themselves to GSL or IEM level. If eSports wants to be taken seriously then MLG should take responsibilty for quality of content. Not just say hey it's Korean players people with watch no matter what. | ||
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MrHighlight
United States43 Posts
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