On February 7th, team oGs has announced that Nada has left the team after his contract expired on January 31st. As such, starting from February, Nada will be team less. The reason Nada did not renew his contract with oGs is because he wanted new challenges and change. On the subject, Nada has stated that "I wanted to give myself new challenges."
Nada has also stated that: "I have delayed the mandatory military service by a year. I wanted a new start with the same mindset as when I first became a progamer. To be able to do this, I needed to give myself new challenges and motivation."
Nada has also expressed his potential goals and plans for the future. "If conditions are right, I am willing to be part of a foreign team; it's also possible that I would accept personal sponsorship. With this new change, I want to solidify my determination and show better performance in the future."
this is really sad for oGs, seems like they are losing more and more key members. also it feels like koreans kinda want to be on a foreign team these days, at leaste some of them
On February 07 2012 20:03 FabledIntegral wrote: All the names I've come to associate with oGs are all gone...!
oGs still has Supernova and Fin
When I was typing up the post, Supernova is the only name I've really come to associate with oGs. oGsFin is too recent imo, not a name that I've heard of since the original days of the clan. I know NaDa wasn't as far back as the original days, but he was pretty close to the start (or was he already on oGs during the Open Season 2?).
Am I the only one who thinks NaDa should do the military service now just to get it over and done with? Even if he manages to score a great team with a lot of sponsors, he really won't be able to 'enjoy' or even be able to be apart of that team if he has to do the mandatory military service only a year from now. Not to mention that 'getting in the mindset' would be a let down after doing so.
Also, isn't he doing university or something at the moment as well?
On February 07 2012 20:03 pycho wrote: "i want new challenges" - progamers "i want more money"
Is there something wrong with that?
Yes! How dare progamers enjoy better quality of life! theyre our slaves and if they want more money they are terrible people!
But seriously, doesnt seem like the biggest deal, im a huge fan of nada but if he wants to go to a new team that is cool too. will be interesting to see where he goes if he goes anywhere
On February 07 2012 20:10 Madder wrote: Am I the only one who thinks NaDa should do the military service now just to get it over and done with? Even if he manages to score a great team with a lot of sponsors, he really won't be able to 'enjoy' or even be able to be apart of that team if he has to do the mandatory military service only a year from now. Not to mention that 'getting in the mindset' would be a let down after doing so.
Also, isn't he doing university or something at the moment as well?
On February 07 2012 20:10 Madder wrote: Am I the only one who thinks NaDa should do the military service now just to get it over and done with? Even if he manages to score a great team with a lot of sponsors, he really won't be able to 'enjoy' or even be able to be apart of that team if he has to do the mandatory military service only a year from now. Not to mention that 'getting in the mindset' would be a let down after doing so.
Also, isn't he doing university or something at the moment as well?
There is almost no chance he'll maintain his shape if he goes to the military. As in, after he enters the military, his progaming career effectively ends. (As with every other pro gamer except for Nestea) I think he just wants one last taste before he leaves it all behind.
Sounds like NaDa wants more foreign tournaments before he heads into the military. I don't see how renewing his contract with oGs would have hindered those plans though. The new partnership with eSahara and Razer would have easily allowed him to travel. And he would always have the logistics help of TeamLiquid.
I'm going to guess SK.NaDa incoming. If Heosat's posts on Reddit are anything to believe though, pleaseee Liquid'NaDa.
On February 07 2012 20:13 Azurues wrote: i don't believe StC will stay long too
On the contrary, I think he will. oGs supported him all the time he was in the army, and was very supportive, it would take being an asshole to leave not even a year after leaving the army and being able to "repay" his team.
On February 07 2012 20:17 Lorch wrote: Ah man poor ogs, loosing their 2nd top tier player in such short time. inb4 nada joining sk as well Ah well nada fighting!!!
Foreign teams buying up all the top players, but not investing in any infrastructure to foster new talent. After all the Korean teams are dead who is going to create good players for foreign teams to buy?
Obviously this is hyperbole, but I don't think SK has a very good strategy (if it is SK buying Nada).
On February 07 2012 20:17 Lorch wrote: Ah man poor ogs, loosing their 2nd top tier player in such short time. inb4 nada joining sk as well Ah well nada fighting!!!
2nd top tier player?
NaDa didnt show anything remarkable in sc2
Other than consistently staying in Code S since he got in it? Yeah, that's nothing remarkable. o.O
If Nada joins TL first off i will squeal like a fangirl, but secondly he will probably find out about his thread, which would at the very least be most amusing.
SC2's situation in Korea is fairly curious. There does not seem to be much money around, and yet 90% of good players are trained there and compete there.
On February 07 2012 20:17 Lorch wrote: Ah man poor ogs, loosing their 2nd top tier player in such short time. inb4 nada joining sk as well Ah well nada fighting!!!
2nd top tier player?
NaDa didnt show anything remarkable in sc2
ya he only made code s quarters like 4 times straight nbd
I can't honestly believe people think Nada would leave oGs just to basically rejoin them, Zenio and HerO cases were immensely different. He's become as irrelevant as July recently.
On February 07 2012 20:17 Lorch wrote: Ah man poor ogs, loosing their 2nd top tier player in such short time. inb4 nada joining sk as well Ah well nada fighting!!!
2nd top tier player?
NaDa didnt show anything remarkable in sc2
Other than consistently staying in Code S since he got in it? Yeah, that's nothing remarkable. o.O
It isn't. Clide and Ensnare (and some others) also spent long periods in Code S. Would you call their SC2 careers 'remarkable'? Perhaps we're looking at the word in a different light.
Lets see... SK, Liquid and eSahara all have/had direct connection with oGs/Nada - easy picking for them. However with Quantic and EG in Korea - they could take Nada just as easily. I think he has a lot of options - even though he isn't quite an Mvp or Neste or MMA, he is a massive name and any team would want him. gl NaDa.
On February 07 2012 20:17 Lorch wrote: Ah man poor ogs, loosing their 2nd top tier player in such short time. inb4 nada joining sk as well Ah well nada fighting!!!
2nd top tier player?
NaDa didnt show anything remarkable in sc2
ya he only made code s quarters like 4 times straight nbd
He did lose those Quarters pretty convincingly though xD He is a TvT beast like BoxeR though, thats about it though, never liked his TvP or his TvZ xD, i personally dont think he is putting maximun time into SC2, as last year was spent in school right? (uni/college)
On February 07 2012 20:24 WigglingSquid wrote: SC2's situation in Korea is fairly curious. There does not seem to be much money around, and yet 90% of good players are trained there and compete there.
of course there isn't much money, teams never made much money by themselves, even in BW. the difference is that BW teams are owned (not sponsored, owned) by megacorporations who are willing (well, most of them anyway) to incur the expenses that come with salaries and teamhouses. currently in the sc2 scene we have no such teams. if other teams, foreign or not, are offering salaries, then for guys like nada it's an easy decision seeing as they are in the twilights of their careers.
On February 07 2012 20:17 Lorch wrote: Ah man poor ogs, loosing their 2nd top tier player in such short time. inb4 nada joining sk as well Ah well nada fighting!!!
2nd top tier player?
NaDa didnt show anything remarkable in sc2
ya he only made code s quarters like 4 times straight nbd
Yeah he's a scrub, he's only been in code s since he first started playing sc2.
Good luck to Nada, but i kinda hope he doesn't join EG given the ogs-tl partnership.
No matter what, it's NaDa guys. He's been in the business for so long and he knows what's best for him. Sad for oGs but I'm sure NaDa will do well in the future.
I really hope it works out well for him. Hope he finds a good practice environment and will tear up some foreign tournaments. If he makes his own team we could have Nada.Nada vs Grubby.Grubby. I would definitely make that a 100Euro show match.
On February 07 2012 20:27 .Natsu wrote: Lets see... SK, Liquid and eSahara all have/had direct connection with oGs/Nada - easy picking for them. However with Quantic and EG in Korea - they could take Nada just as easily. I think he has a lot of options - even though he isn't quite an Mvp or Neste or MMA, he is a massive name and any team would want him. gl NaDa.
Why would any team want him though? Minus NaDa's legendary and prestigious BW career and his potential as a top SC2 player, from a certain point of view, I can definitely see him not being a viable pickup mainly for these reasons:
- He has delayed the mandatory military service by only a year, but judging on how many youngsters have gone to the military, it seems NaDa has been putting it off for years now. Is he allowed to delay it any further? - He is currently still in university apparently. - He has his own personal shop to run and manage.
EDIT: Personally, I want NaDa to get the best team and sponsors but it seems like he already has/is going to have a lot up his sleeves so who knows? Maybe those things listed will be detrimental to his success as a progamer.
Compared to his SC results, the best NaDa achieved was a (or maybe more then one) Code S Ro4. Must be pretty disappointing for him. Wish him the best of course, but was never overly impressed by his games (was really hyped for Boxer NaDa etc at the start but expectations have just decreased). My overarching memory of him is the base trades he lost vs MKP (throwing away pretty huge leads: remember the game he had to kill his army to make supply for his vikings and then MKP rebuilt his base and ended up winning?). I mean who, espesically someone as accomplished as NaDa, would be satisfying for playing more than a year, in his last few years of progaming, not to win the championship. I'm honestly not too surprised by the move, nor would I be too surprised if things don't pick up, other high placing players leave oGs.
As for oGs, now their highest placing finishers are TOP and Inca with a code S final loss each. Supernova, fOrGG, and StC all have decent hype but no amazing results yet (as in quarter final code S runs, ignoring my personal feeling fOrGG is overrated, although Supernova made a Ro8 but then bombed out crazy). Their zergs are pretty no name, and their protoss line is Inca (<3) and Vines (Spunky is listed but he's coach so I'm ignoring him). Overall, to me, the team just isn't as impressive with no major individual or team league wins. I mean they gave Zenex fans hope. ZENEX. ZENEX. Wish they would shake things up and pick up a few new players or have some of their players bust out a Code S finals run soon. Even them beating SlayerS in the GSTL would impress me a lot.
Poor oGs, but about time the genius terran started to use his legendary BroodWar esport image to good use. Wish him the best of luck, go NaDa! Let's hope he starts up his own team.
If NaDa wanted to join SK, I think he would have done it by now - since his contract expired a week ago. Thinking back about his "I am NaDa!" moment at MLG last year, I think he really wants to join a foreign team and go to more tournaments outside of Korea. LiquidNada sure sounds sweet...and real.
What is the allure of Foreign teams to the Korean pro gamers? I'd like this question to be answered by some scene insiders, like State of the Game or something. The Korean teams seem to have the best practice regimes.
The realist part of me is yelling "ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY."... but I'd like to believe that isnt true :/
Nada's speech is very bad. I have immense respect, but basically he says "I don't train enough to be good enough for the GSL or the Korean scene, so if some rich foreign team wants to throw money to buy my name, it's ok" TT Disappointing.
EGNaDa sounds awesome to me, tag aside - having him train in the SlayerS house and somewhere good to stay whilst he attends foreign tournaments would be amazing for him.
On February 07 2012 20:49 Tristran wrote: What is the allure of Foreign teams to the Korean pro gamers? I'd like this question to be answered by some scene insiders, like State of the Game or something. The Korean teams seem to have the best practice regimes.
The realist part of me is yelling "ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY."... but I'd like to believe that isnt true :/
Money is a good reason to join a foreign team. But I think the allure comes from competing in foreign tournaments: Korea only has GSL right now, which is really hard to win and the audience isn't that great. Outside of Korea you have tournaments like MLG, IPL, Dreamhack, which are fast paced, very intense and the audience is very passionate and crazy (in a good way). The pure joy and thrill you get in competing in such tournaments may just be the motivation and challenge players like NaDa are looking for.
On February 07 2012 20:49 Tristran wrote: What is the allure of Foreign teams to the Korean pro gamers? I'd like this question to be answered by some scene insiders, like State of the Game or something. The Korean teams seem to have the best practice regimes.
The realist part of me is yelling "ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY."... but I'd like to believe that isnt true :/
Part of it is definitely money. But aside from that...foreigners get attention. And koreans on former teams get attention. You can be in Code S or Code A and have been there forever, but frankly...you don't matter until you WIN gsl. There are no commercials of the top 16 at the moment, or random team interviews, or ads, or just...stuff to bring attention to players individually so much right now in Starcraft 2, in korea. Right now foreigners and the western scene offer them that, through tournaments, and raw attention, and bring them fans.
For nada specifically I dont know if either of those are an issue (since he's got both), or if it's just him saying that he's open to anything to help him grow and get in touch with former Nada better.
Well, it's either EG (if he really wants a foreign team) or personal sponsorship (he's easily a big enough name to make it work). My bet's on Team Nada.
omg i just realized this... i bet it will be complexity... remember when jason bass said they wanted to sign big name players in his interview a few weeks ago... this would be the just about the biggest name possible.... :D
I don't see EG or Liquid. Yeah, EG has cash, but they can't just throw gigantic mounds of money at everyone. They just signed JYP and Liquid just got Zenio. I'm also sure if a foreign teams wants Nada, that he will not be someone who takes a smaller deal because it's better than he got at oGs. The guy has his own store and is a legend; he can pick and choose where he wants to go and for how much.
On February 07 2012 20:59 Fionn wrote: I see him joining SK.
I don't see EG or Liquid. Yeah, EG has cash, but they can't just throw gigantic mounds of money at everyone. They just signed JYP and Liquid just got YuGiOh. I'm also sure if a foreign teams wants Nada, that he will not be someone who takes a smaller deal because it's better than he got at oGs. The guy has his own store and is a legend; he can pick and choose where he wants to go and for how much.
Wait, Liquid got Yugioh? I see a potential information leak here?
On February 07 2012 20:49 Tristran wrote: What is the allure of Foreign teams to the Korean pro gamers? I'd like this question to be answered by some scene insiders, like State of the Game or something. The Korean teams seem to have the best practice regimes.
The realist part of me is yelling "ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY."... but I'd like to believe that isnt true :/
Money is a good reason to join a foreign team. But I think the allure comes from competing in foreign tournaments: Korea only has GSL right now, which is really hard to win and the audience isn't that great. Outside of Korea you have tournaments like MLG, IPL, Dreamhack, which are fast paced, very intense and the audience is very passionate and crazy (in a good way). The pure joy and thrill you get in competing in such tournaments may just be the motivation and challenge players like NaDa are looking for.
That is an absolute excellent summary of what many Korean players are potentially looking for. Money is definitely a factor but you can't not factor this.
Guys... Nada didnt live in teh OGS house, he was the only exception to the rule. So leaving the team doesnt mean he leaves a training house, and wichever team he joins, he would still be living on his own I bet.
On February 07 2012 20:59 Fionn wrote: I see him joining SK.
I don't see EG or Liquid. Yeah, EG has cash, but they can't just throw gigantic mounds of money at everyone. They just signed JYP and Liquid just got Zenio. I'm also sure if a foreign teams wants Nada, that he will not be someone who takes a smaller deal because it's better than he got at oGs. The guy has his own store and is a legend; he can pick and choose where he wants to go and for how much.
i saw that before you edited it and thought you let something slip.
On February 07 2012 20:59 Fionn wrote: I see him joining SK.
I don't see EG or Liquid. Yeah, EG has cash, but they can't just throw gigantic mounds of money at everyone. They just signed JYP and Liquid just got YuGiOh. I'm also sure if a foreign teams wants Nada, that he will not be someone who takes a smaller deal because it's better than he got at oGs. The guy has his own store and is a legend; he can pick and choose where he wants to go and for how much.
Wait, Liquid got Yugioh? I see a potential information leak here?
On February 07 2012 20:59 Fionn wrote: I see him joining SK.
I don't see EG or Liquid. Yeah, EG has cash, but they can't just throw gigantic mounds of money at everyone. They just signed JYP and Liquid just got YuGiOh. I'm also sure if a foreign teams wants Nada, that he will not be someone who takes a smaller deal because it's better than he got at oGs. The guy has his own store and is a legend; he can pick and choose where he wants to go and for how much.
Wait, Liquid got Yugioh? I see a potential information leak here?
On February 07 2012 20:03 pycho wrote: "i want new challenges" - progamers "i want more money"
Yahh I guess those several years of 200k a year salary + 6 major championships and owning his own business <.<
I really don't think he's in it for the money, I think he actually wants to sit down and mentally restart his career and win a title before he has to go to the military.
Nada needs motivation and I think if he becomes his own brand/team (like Grubby) it could be a very positive thing. He definitely is a "BIG" enough personality to be marketable, but I do not know if he has enough business savvy to be successful on his own.
I wish Nada all the best on his future endeavors. Nada Fighting!!
Excellent, oGs is a dwindelling team and Nada knows he will find greater success elsewhere. Would love to see him move to Slayers with Boxer and the other terran powerhouses there, both new and old. However I doubt Boxer would want him - he recognizes that SC2 is a young man's game and Nada is no longer in his prime and will never be at it again.
On February 07 2012 20:59 Fionn wrote: I see him joining SK.
I don't see EG or Liquid. Yeah, EG has cash, but they can't just throw gigantic mounds of money at everyone. They just signed JYP and Liquid just got Zenio. I'm also sure if a foreign teams wants Nada, that he will not be someone who takes a smaller deal because it's better than he got at oGs. The guy has his own store and is a legend; he can pick and choose where he wants to go and for how much.
On February 07 2012 20:59 Fionn wrote: I see him joining SK.
I don't see EG or Liquid. Yeah, EG has cash, but they can't just throw gigantic mounds of money at everyone. They just signed JYP and Liquid just got Zenio. I'm also sure if a foreign teams wants Nada, that he will not be someone who takes a smaller deal because it's better than he got at oGs. The guy has his own store and is a legend; he can pick and choose where he wants to go and for how much.
i saw that before you edited it and thought you let something slip.
On February 07 2012 21:04 AlbertHR wrote: This is really shocking ! didn't expect this to happen... but all in all,, I can only wish for the best for Nada
remembering back to MLG when he shouted "I AM NADA !!" it's not impossible for Nada to join team IM...
On February 07 2012 21:03 SpunXtain wrote: Excellent, oGs is a dwindelling team and Nada knows he will find greater success elsewhere. Would love to see him move to Slayers with Boxer and the other terran powerhouses there, both new and old. However I doubt Boxer would want him - he recognizes that SC2 is a young man's game and Nada is no longer in his prime and will never be at it again.
Nada has been playing and practicing from home all the time, he's probably not moving in somewhere at all...
Why not just collect money from the people posting in the: "Nada's body thread", surely they can scrape together money enough to sign him to their own team, and make him play shirtless
On February 07 2012 20:59 Fionn wrote: I see him joining SK.
I don't see EG or Liquid. Yeah, EG has cash, but they can't just throw gigantic mounds of money at everyone. They just signed JYP and Liquid just got Zenio. I'm also sure if a foreign teams wants Nada, that he will not be someone who takes a smaller deal because it's better than he got at oGs. The guy has his own store and is a legend; he can pick and choose where he wants to go and for how much.
On February 07 2012 21:03 SpunXtain wrote: Excellent, oGs is a dwindelling team and Nada knows he will find greater success elsewhere. Would love to see him move to Slayers with Boxer and the other terran powerhouses there, both new and old. However I doubt Boxer would want him - he recognizes that SC2 is a young man's game and Nada is no longer in his prime and will never be at it again.
That is actually pretty ironic, considering BoxeR himself is older and is persisting to be a progamer rather then a full-on coach/manager.
I've a feeling he will join MC in SK.....and SK will unveil its secret evil plan to sign all the top players in the world and end the world as we know it......heheheheheheh
On February 07 2012 21:11 obsKura wrote: NaDa follows MC to SK, you heard it here first
He's already 'part-time' on SK so wont be surprised at all. Overall I think its good for Nada. I feel like oGs is on its way down like what happened to Zenex. Supernova's e only one worth watching out for in oGs for me
I know it's not the point of the thread but seeing people having to make career decisions around being forced in to military service makes me so angry.
But yeah, surprising to see so many big names looking for foreigner money recently, hope something works out for Nada though.
Damn, Nada was one of oGs's long time stable Code S player. Without him, oGs looks a lot less scary than before... and their lineup still remains as terran lopsided as before.
On February 07 2012 21:04 AlbertHR wrote: This is really shocking ! didn't expect this to happen... but all in all,, I can only wish for the best for Nada
remembering back to MLG when he shouted "I AM NADA !!" it's not impossible for Nada to join team IM...
IMNada !!! lol
Hahahaha! That's just brilliant! xD
Hahaha Excellent post that I didn't fully read through the first time
Any foreign team to sign him up would be doing so based on his legacy in my opinion, whilst he is a strong player we know that he will be forced to stop playing in a years time, that means he is only available for a year of tournaments, and he is unlikely to want to leave Korea, so financially the cost of flying him to all the tournaments would be a major drawback especially since you only secure his talents for a year.
On February 07 2012 21:32 DrN0 wrote: Any foreign team to sign him up would be doing so based on his legacy in my opinion, whilst he is a strong player we know that he will be forced to stop playing in a years time, that means he is only available for a year of tournaments, and he is unlikely to want to leave Korea, so financially the cost of flying him to all the tournaments would be a major drawback especially since you only secure his talents for a year.
Most esport "contracts" out here aren't going over one year anyway, when progamers don't leave for X reason on the meanwhile, that remark is pretty much inacurrate.
seems like quite the trend that Korean players rather want to be a part of foreign teams instead of Korean teams i guess there just isen't enogh money in the Korean sc2 scene to suport that many players in comparison to the foreign teams
On February 07 2012 21:24 Iyerbeth wrote: I know it's not the point of the thread but seeing people having to make career decisions around being forced in to military service makes me so angry.
But yeah, surprising to see so many big names looking for foreigner money recently, hope something works out for Nada though.
More or less angry than Korea still being at war? They don't have mandatory military service for fun, and when your country is in the sort of situatio SK is (or Israel for another example), then it becomes the responsbility of citizens. If it was another country (e.g. Germany) where there's no real need to mandatory military service, it's fine, but don't get angry at conscription, get angry and countries which are still at war after 50 years.
With him going into the military in one year, I wonder how appealing he'll be to some teams. Granted, he's frickin Nada and all that, but he'll be gone for two years after that, right?
Everything seems ready for a few S class players from BW (as FXOBoss said) to come to oGs. They parted way with the biggest stars they had and since they got new sponsors / partnership they might have the founds to support them.
As for NaDa, I don't think he's going to get picked as they already have one BW terran superstar.
Don't think he's the right fit for Liquid right now (or any other team outside Korea), but I could see him going to SK (with MC, since he already has relationship with them).
I think this is a really good thing for Nada, he has seem rather stagnant in oGs recently and I think what he is saying is that he needs to shake things up to gain motivation and inspiration to become the player he can be. It's interesting that he is delaying his military service for a year as it is a sign that he is serious about his sc2 career and want to make an impact this year.
It seems likely to me that Nada will join a none korean team as they will all be fighting over him like rabid dogs I think. Despite his lack of sc2 championships he is a big big star and loved by the none korean community(not saying he isn't loved by koreans as well of course).
I wonder how close Nada and MC are, they seem quite different as people but SK Nada would be cool.
Oh well, these kind of things happen. With new determination and a new sense of purpose, maybe we will see NaDa in his full glory once again, just like in the BW days :D
On February 07 2012 20:17 Lorch wrote: Ah man poor ogs, loosing their 2nd top tier player in such short time. inb4 nada joining sk as well Ah well nada fighting!!!
2nd top tier player?
NaDa didnt show anything remarkable in sc2
Other than consistently staying in Code S since he got in it? Yeah, that's nothing remarkable. o.O
It isn't. Clide and Ensnare (and some others) also spent long periods in Code S. Would you call their SC2 careers 'remarkable'? Perhaps we're looking at the word in a different light.
What i meant in whole spectrum of his carrier its hardly remarkable, only 2.5 y ago(like year before he picked up SC2) he almost took a bo5 series out of PvT record holder Jangbi, the one who recently won an OSL. Seeing Nada performing infamous Flash build and compare it to his Code S play is really sad.
On February 07 2012 22:08 Bagration wrote: Liquid Nada! Do it!
YEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS
Liquid Nada has a nice ring to it and he is willing to go to a foreign team. Plus liquid needs a killer terran! Not that Jinro is bad by any means but he hasnt quite been as dominant as of late. Make it happen TL!
Grubby.NaDa? Very unlikely. Duckload.NaDa? Rofl. Sounds like it was an amicable split, which is good. Really hope NaDa continues to do well in the future. Disliking NaDa is impossible.
On February 07 2012 22:19 SilverLeagueElite wrote: You can bet EG is reviewing their salary cap to see if they can afford him. If some contracts are expiring in the near future...
I disagree, I don't think Nada fits with EG. Not only because my head might explode because I wouldn't know if I could cheer for Nada to win.
On February 07 2012 22:15 reyder wrote: wait so is he going to a new team or joining the Military?
He is teamless at present. And no, he is not going to the military. NaDa is postponing his mandatory military service for one year so that he can focus on sc2 this year. I really hope he shows us what he is truly made of :D
On February 07 2012 20:03 pycho wrote: "i want new challenges" - progamers "i want more money"
well he doesnt really need money, does he? :D Anyways, hope only good things for him, one of my favourite koreans!
People always need more.
I don't see NaDa improving if he play's without a teamhouse, but that's just my opinion. Goodluck to him, i am sure a lot of teams would love to have him.
As others have assumed before, if money was the main reason for him leaving oGs, EG.NaDa is a strong possibility. mouz... not so much cause they only want very young players. i doubt they'll pay whatever he's asking, just because of his age. Maybe some other rich team like FXO, coL or QxG...?
On February 07 2012 22:48 Kabras wrote: As others have assumed before, if money was the main reason for him leaving oGs, EG.NaDa is a strong possibility. mouz... not so much cause they only want very young players. i doubt they'll pay whatever he's asking, just because of his age. Maybe some other rich team like FXO, coL or QxG...?
Where does Quantic get their money from, is there some rich people that own the team? All i see as their sponsors is Razer, and they sponsor so many teams so I doubt all of the Razer teams are rich.
On February 07 2012 20:10 Madder wrote: Am I the only one who thinks NaDa should do the military service now just to get it over and done with? Even if he manages to score a great team with a lot of sponsors, he really won't be able to 'enjoy' or even be able to be apart of that team if he has to do the mandatory military service only a year from now. Not to mention that 'getting in the mindset' would be a let down after doing so.
Also, isn't he doing university or something at the moment as well?
There is almost no chance he'll maintain his shape if he goes to the military. As in, after he enters the military, his progaming career effectively ends. (As with every other pro gamer except for Nestea) I think he just wants one last taste before he leaves it all behind.
I'm guessing no one will recruit him. Who'd want to do that ? He's a foreigner skill level terran with a big name who doesn't train. I'm sure he'll want a decent salary too. As I said, Zenex is his best option :p
On February 07 2012 23:12 MrCon wrote: I'm guessing no one will recruit him. Who'd want to do that ? He's a foreigner skill level terran with a big name who doesn't train. I'm sure he'll want a decent salary too. As I said, Zenex is his best option :p
From this sentence "I wanted to give myself new challenges." onwards, I knew "foreign team" would be found somewhere in the post. I'm kinda disapointed NaDa just wants to cash in and see some world...
not sure why people are even so sad about this. really makes no sense to me. Nada was Nada before there was even SC2. he was Nada before oGs and he will be the same or better having moved on. the practice partners stay the same, but he has always been an amazing player.
On February 07 2012 20:04 YipMan wrote: Money talks...
Can you blame them? It's their job ofcourse they are gonna take a big raise if they can get it.
I agree 100%. Was there any judgement involved in my statement?
honestly? yes. there's a distinct amount of cynicism in it. a particularly butthurt person could extract the implication that you are calling nada a lesser person for it.
So Nada leaves oGs for new challenges- foreign tournaments maybe? I highly doubt Nada would sign with TL as the hype threads would have already started. Or maybe Nada could convince WeMadeFox to start up again and make a new team with him as captain.
On February 07 2012 23:12 MrCon wrote: I'm guessing no one will recruit him. Who'd want to do that ? He's a foreigner skill level terran with a big name who doesn't train. I'm sure he'll want a decent salary too. As I said, Zenex is his best option :p
I'd love to know how you have such intimate knowledge of his training schedule.
Calling NaDa a 'foreigner skill level terran' is just you trying to stir things up.
This is actually extremely important news due to the power Nada carriers with him when he picks a new team. The moment he chooses a new team, that team will have already improved by a great deal due to the presence of Nada.
So I've read the whole thread, and I'm seeing a lot of people worry about the direction of oGs. I have to say, compared to MC leaving this is no big deal. For me, what always defined oGs's image as a team (besides their partnership with Liquid) was two things - MC as a single player, and their hordes of players who either do well in gsl but aren't very good, or who are very good but don't do well in gsl.
Think of how many players on oGs we know the names of - ensnare, thewind and Cezanne; supernova, top, thestc, jookto. Outside of Slayers' Terran hordes, they are still one of the deepest teams around in terms of significant players, up with fxo and IM in my opinion.
On February 07 2012 23:33 lknockoutl wrote: can't be EG, they just pick good players who accomplished goals in SC2, i dont think NaDa won anything decent till now
What did JYP accomplish, that NaDa haven't? Nada have been in Code S longer than JYP. Counting his placement in HSC4 is pretty ignorant given the majority of the players are foreigners.
He probably does this to milk out the last possible money he can get before his time is over. Doesn't he have like 1 year left before he has to do the military service (which I doubt he will be able to comeback from after it's done) so he probably goes to the highest bidding team. I think Quantic or SK, maybe EG, if they would feel like it's worth it.
On February 07 2012 23:46 Night Eyes wrote: Not a big shock... Im sure NaDa will do just fine since well... he is NaDa but I feel sorry for oGs who seem to becoming a mid level team in SC2...
P.S LiquidNaDa? pretty plz? ^^
are you kidding ? just because NaDa and MC left ? sure MC leaving is a big hit but they are still one of the top teams
Fuuuuuuuuuuuck. Oh well, just hopes he can find something new that works out for him, and that he can win something in SC2 before he leaves for the military.
On February 07 2012 23:12 MrCon wrote: I'm guessing no one will recruit him. Who'd want to do that ? He's a foreigner skill level terran with a big name who doesn't train. I'm sure he'll want a decent salary too. As I said, Zenex is his best option :p
I'd love to know how you have such intimate knowledge of his training schedule.
Calling NaDa a 'foreigner skill level terran' is just you trying to stir things up.
On February 07 2012 23:46 Night Eyes wrote: Not a big shock... Im sure NaDa will do just fine since well... he is NaDa but I feel sorry for oGs who seem to becoming a mid level team in SC2...
P.S LiquidNaDa? pretty plz? ^^
are you kidding ? just because NaDa and MC left ? sure MC leaving is a big hit but they are still one of the top teams
Hero on his stream yesterday said to NADA durin a 1v1 when are we going out to eat again, OBVIOUSLY hero is super STOLKED HES JOING THE BEST TEAM EVER LIQUID!
Hmm... he hasn't been doing so hot lately, but he was a very consistent Code S player before the format change. I've seen a bit of his stream too, and by my rather crappy judgement, he was on par if not better than many of the other Korean Terrans I've seen. I hope he's just going through a slump right now.
'Course, he could always go to Slayers. Wouldn't be the main attraction, but Boxer+ Nada, yeah? :D
On February 07 2012 23:12 MrCon wrote: I'm guessing no one will recruit him. Who'd want to do that ? He's a foreigner skill level terran with a big name who doesn't train. I'm sure he'll want a decent salary too. As I said, Zenex is his best option :p
I'd love to know how you have such intimate knowledge of his training schedule.
Calling NaDa a 'foreigner skill level terran' is just you trying to stir things up.
My first thoughts were him joining a foreign team. My second thought was that he's gonna become involved with LoL in some way, most likely working as an ambassador for LoL in Korea and he would probably get a decent amount of money for it. I can't really see him playing LoL as a progamer but having him endorse it wouldn't be at all surprising.
I'm going to guess SlayerSNaDa.. Long history with BoxeR, plus it's becoming pretty obvious.. If you're Terran and you join SlayerS, you get worlds better. Training with names like BoxeR, MMA, GanZi, etc.. Every Terran who has joined SlayerS has gotten much better, except maybe Clide.. He seems to just be in a slump, though. I'm guessing NaDa may have noticed this, and will look into that. I could be wrong, but I believe that's an extremely viable option.
Granted, LiquidNada would be awesome, but I kind of doubt it will happen. Is it really worth the money to contract Nada fo "only" a year? Oh well, one can always dream.
On February 07 2012 23:12 MrCon wrote: I'm guessing no one will recruit him. Who'd want to do that ? He's a foreigner skill level terran with a big name who doesn't train. I'm sure he'll want a decent salary too. As I said, Zenex is his best option :p
I'd love to know how you have such intimate knowledge of his training schedule.
Calling NaDa a 'foreigner skill level terran' is just you trying to stir things up.
SK_NaDa, following exactly what happened to MC, obviously. They both had the same arrangement before. I'm not happy about either of them departing from oGs, but they gotta do what they gotta do.
Even though this is saddening, its totally understandable that Nada may want to do this. Let's just hope that he doesn't take too long since I'm sure we're all going to miss watching him play!
Why are everyone saying Liquid'Nada? Its really not very likely to happen, given that he wasnt in the oGs house (i think?) and that he wouldnt particularly fit well with the team. Well, thats only my suppositions.
why would a foreign team cash on nada ? he's not going to win any mlg whatsoever nada has / had quite an advertisement value in korea as he's quite famous, that's about it
also players constantly leaving team houses going solo makes sc2 pro gaming look fake
Look at this way, nada is going to wreck shit this year. I feel for ogs, but if he is willing to leave behind one of the most recognizable teams because he feels his mindset is not in the right place, and by doing so he will be in a better mindset for victory, more power to him. He obviously is taking this year this year very seriously.
It´s Sad, but it´s true. He did not have the best results as of late. Not what you would expect from him. If he can find a way to improve again and show that he is still a canidate for a GSL Champion or MLG or whatever i don´t care who sponsors him. Although TL or EG would be amazing
Sorry if this gets taken the wrong way, but was Nada ever really an integral part of oGs? It seems like with never living in the team house, going to school, mostly doing his own thing (Nadamall etc.), his role on the team wasn't as big as someone like MC. To be honest this move isn't surprising at all to me.
Hopefully he can get things done in his (potential) last year of progaming for a while. Maybe one of the BW teams will pick him up for their SC2 divisions?
Inevitable. I'm sorry but it is. I liked NaDa. And I really like oGs.
The only team I can think of where the players are in it for the team and having fun aspect is Team Liquid. That's I love them so much. Nobody on that team has sold out or will ever sell out for money, nobody from TL is or was so greedy that they would join another team just for money.
On February 08 2012 01:00 devPLEASE wrote: Inevitable. I'm sorry but it is. I liked NaDa. And I really like oGs.
The only team I can think of where the players are in it for the team and having fun aspect is Team Liquid. That's I love them so much. Nobody on that team has sold out or will ever sell out for money, nobody from TL is or was so greedy that they would join another team just for money.
Not too surprising, given his focus on other things recently. It's so amazing to see what he can do while balancing these other things. Hopefully he'll enjoy some more success soon.
On February 08 2012 01:00 devPLEASE wrote: Inevitable. I'm sorry but it is. I liked NaDa. And I really like oGs.
The only team I can think of where the players are in it for the team and having fun aspect is Team Liquid. That's I love them so much. Nobody on that team has sold out or will ever sell out for money, nobody from TL is or was so greedy that they would join another team just for money.
On February 08 2012 01:00 devPLEASE wrote: Inevitable. I'm sorry but it is. I liked NaDa. And I really like oGs.
The only team I can think of where the players are in it for the team and having fun aspect is Team Liquid. That's I love them so much. Nobody on that team has sold out or will ever sell out for money, nobody from TL is or was so greedy that they would join another team just for money.
[QUOTE]On February 08 2012 01:18 Flowjo wrote: [QUOTE]On February 08 2012 01:07 SeaSwift wrote: [QUOTE]On February 08 2012 01:00 devPLEASE wrote: Inevitable. I'm sorry but it is. I liked NaDa. And I really like oGs.
The only team I can think of where the players are in it for the team and having fun aspect is Team Liquid. That's I love them so much. Nobody on that team has sold out or will ever sell out for money, nobody from TL is or was so greedy that they would join another team just for money. [/QUOTE]
Huk, but even if, what the hell is so bad about that? The players NEED money to make a living... Because the salaries are already pretty small.
On February 08 2012 01:28 Azzur wrote: Nada never left oGs - it's just his contract has expired and he doesn't want to renew it.
Plenty of people leave teams and organisations all the time - I wonder why people seem to be so up in arms about it...
Yeah your statement is true, but people get "up in arms" - as you call it - about it because:
a) people love drama (and the tl community is no exception) b) Nada is a very well known player and as such he - or rather is actions - attracts alot of attention. c) also people love to speculate even when they have not a clue what they are talking about.
In any case, do not get too crazy people - it´s not the end of the world. Only the end of a story.
On February 07 2012 20:03 pycho wrote: "i want new challenges" - progamers "i want more money"
lol, exactly what i was saying. Not his faultitsits not even foreign teams either... its korean teams, they have to see that foreign teams have a big paycheck and that they are going to have to get there players money or they all gona leave and go to non korean teams over the next few months
Perhaps this is Nada's way of saying, I'm ready to consistently travel to foreign events in Europe and Americas? What do we know about his university degree, is he wrapping up soon or still doing education + gaming? Anyway, GL to NaDa people will always follow him, but I'm sad for oGs , the original dreamteam is dissipating.
On February 08 2012 01:28 Azzur wrote: Nada never left oGs - it's just his contract has expired and he doesn't want to renew it.
Plenty of people leave teams and organisations all the time - I wonder why people seem to be so up in arms about it...
wait what..?
The decision not to renew his contract is basically the same thing as leaving...
or is there something I'm not understanding
Nada and OGS had a contract that expired, he didnt want to renew it but would rather search for a new team. Leaving a team is (for me) when you leave them in the middle of an contract for what ever reason.
Poor oGs losing all their players recently :\ I really hope NaDa joins a foreign team though! Regardless Good Luck to them both, and I hope they both can prosper from NaDa leaving.
the honest truth is that nada is probably going to be joining the military soon, didn't want to stay in ogs while it happened, and will make a decision about his progaming career shortly after that. Korean people don't like holding down their teams if they don't feel they can play their best. This is NaDa, he has a store he runs now, he's made tons of money off of his scbw days, and is going to university. Money, while definitely a factor, is not the determining one here. I doubt oGs paid him tons of money or anything, yet he stayed with them for these past 18 months or so. Why did no one get angry at Zenio for leaving oGs? because he joined liquid shortly after? cmon.
On February 08 2012 01:43 Kazeyonoma wrote: the honest truth is that nada is probably going to be joining the military soon, didn't want to stay in ogs while it happened, and will make a decision about his progaming career shortly after that. Korean people don't like holding down their teams if they don't feel they can play their best. This is NaDa, he has a store he runs now, he's made tons of money off of his scbw days, and is going to university. Money, while definitely a factor, is not the determining one here. I doubt oGs paid him tons of money or anything, yet he stayed with them for these past 18 months or so. Why did no one get angry at Zenio for leaving oGs? because he joined liquid shortly after? cmon.
Zenio switching teams is a little different. oGs was never against the transfer and all parties were happy, so we should be too. Also, I don't think anyone's angry at NaDa.. But to say that money has little to do with his decision is very likely incorrect.
On February 07 2012 20:10 Madder wrote: Am I the only one who thinks NaDa should do the military service now just to get it over and done with? Even if he manages to score a great team with a lot of sponsors, he really won't be able to 'enjoy' or even be able to be apart of that team if he has to do the mandatory military service only a year from now. Not to mention that 'getting in the mindset' would be a let down after doing so.
Also, isn't he doing university or something at the moment as well?
There is almost no chance he'll maintain his shape if he goes to the military. As in, after he enters the military, his progaming career effectively ends. (As with every other pro gamer except for Nestea) I think he just wants one last taste before he leaves it all behind.
Boxer, July?
July's going into the military soon, this season of GSL is his last before leaving. Boxer did not maintain his shape through the military, but he had started to fall off even beforehand.
On February 08 2012 01:56 RunningInSquares wrote: Delaying military service a year? And here I was hoping he would go join up with ACE to help them out in proleague T__T.
He should just join a foreign team and avoid military service so he can practice for an extra year. :D
On February 08 2012 02:12 RedMosquito wrote: LiquidNada dare i say?
It would be cool and certainly a possibility. Liquid could send him to tons of foreign tournaments, but if it is just for the money (which I do not think it is), Liquid could not afford Nada. Liquid could also use another Terran.
Then again, Nada has enough of a name where he can just go solo and get solo sponsorships.
On February 08 2012 01:00 devPLEASE wrote: Inevitable. I'm sorry but it is. I liked NaDa. And I really like oGs.
The only team I can think of where the players are in it for the team and having fun aspect is Team Liquid. That's I love them so much. Nobody on that team has sold out or will ever sell out for money, nobody from TL is or was so greedy that they would join another team just for money.
Debatable. Huk?
Huk rofl?
I'm pretty sure HuK left for personal reasons? He's not that greedy, probably had different views on how to practice/play. Find me proof that HuK is greedy.
On February 08 2012 01:00 devPLEASE wrote: Inevitable. I'm sorry but it is. I liked NaDa. And I really like oGs.
The only team I can think of where the players are in it for the team and having fun aspect is Team Liquid. That's I love them so much. Nobody on that team has sold out or will ever sell out for money, nobody from TL is or was so greedy that they would join another team just for money.
Debatable. Huk?
Huk rofl?
I'm pretty sure HuK left for personal reasons? He's not that greedy, probably had different views on how to practice/play. Find me proof that HuK is greedy.
On February 08 2012 01:00 devPLEASE wrote: Inevitable. I'm sorry but it is. I liked NaDa. And I really like oGs.
The only team I can think of where the players are in it for the team and having fun aspect is Team Liquid. That's I love them so much. Nobody on that team has sold out or will ever sell out for money, nobody from TL is or was so greedy that they would join another team just for money.
Debatable. Huk?
Huk rofl?
I'm pretty sure HuK left for personal reasons? He's not that greedy, probably had different views on how to practice/play. Find me proof that HuK is greedy.
He's the second highest paid player in the world behind Boxer according to Xeris' un edited posts. Read his leaving letter. Eg offered a lot of money. Nothing wrong with that either.
I can see Nada joining EG if EG is willing to spend more money and pay another player's salary. The team would give him opportunities to play in so many foreign tourneys like they did with Puma
On February 08 2012 01:00 devPLEASE wrote: Inevitable. I'm sorry but it is. I liked NaDa. And I really like oGs.
The only team I can think of where the players are in it for the team and having fun aspect is Team Liquid. That's I love them so much. Nobody on that team has sold out or will ever sell out for money, nobody from TL is or was so greedy that they would join another team just for money.
Debatable. Huk?
Huk rofl?
I'm pretty sure HuK left for personal reasons? He's not that greedy, probably had different views on how to practice/play. Find me proof that HuK is greedy.
I'm more or less quoting him "EG made me an offer that could change my whole career and my whole life financially speaking"
It's becoming irritating seeing all the Korean progamers thinking that the foreign teams/scene are there just to give them a lot of cash. It's even more irritating that foreign teams actually do it.
On February 08 2012 02:37 Odoakar wrote: It's becoming irritating seeing all the Korean progamers thinking that the foreign teams/scene are there just to give them a lot of cash. It's even more irritating that foreign teams actually do it.
Didn't see it that way, but it's quite sad if that's what they have in mind.
Oh my god. I wonder what hes going to do now. He hasnt been getting that great results, so I hope he doesnt just fade away. Well good luck nada, with whatever he does now.
If Nada joins a foreign team and moves away from Korea does he get out of the mandatory military service?? That would be an incentive for him to leave oGs if he does. Would he have to do it when he goes back to Korea??
On February 08 2012 02:37 Odoakar wrote: It's becoming irritating seeing all the Korean progamers thinking that the foreign teams/scene are there just to give them a lot of cash. It's even more irritating that foreign teams actually do it.
Didn't see it that way, but it's quite sad if that's what they have in mind.
Do people with these sorts of opinions not watch real sports? Always confused me this non understanding of following the money.
On February 08 2012 02:45 Eire_91 wrote: If Nada joins a foreign team and moves away from Korea does he get out of the mandatory military service?? That would be an incentive for him to leave oGs if he does. Would he have to do it when he goes back to Korea??
I think yes. There' was some stuff about the fact that SeleCt would have to do his military service if he come back in Korea.
On February 08 2012 01:00 devPLEASE wrote: Inevitable. I'm sorry but it is. I liked NaDa. And I really like oGs.
The only team I can think of where the players are in it for the team and having fun aspect is Team Liquid. That's I love them so much. Nobody on that team has sold out or will ever sell out for money, nobody from TL is or was so greedy that they would join another team just for money.
Debatable. Huk?
Huk rofl?
I'm pretty sure HuK left for personal reasons? He's not that greedy, probably had different views on how to practice/play. Find me proof that HuK is greedy.
I'm more or less quoting him "EG made me an offer that could change my whole career and my whole life financially speaking"
Link me bro. And NaDa isn't greedy I never said or implied that he was.
On February 08 2012 01:00 devPLEASE wrote: Inevitable. I'm sorry but it is. I liked NaDa. And I really like oGs.
The only team I can think of where the players are in it for the team and having fun aspect is Team Liquid. That's I love them so much. Nobody on that team has sold out or will ever sell out for money, nobody from TL is or was so greedy that they would join another team just for money.
Debatable. Huk?
Huk rofl?
I'm pretty sure HuK left for personal reasons? He's not that greedy, probably had different views on how to practice/play. Find me proof that HuK is greedy.
I would probably not call him greedy but when he switched team they stated that it was because he got such a good offer from EG (life altering), and that he still felt very close to TL (he wouldn't have left unless he got such a good deal). I don't remember the exact details but that was the message.
Edit: I hope Nada finds a new home. I don't think it will be SK though since they would've probably just announced it the same way they did with MC since they both had a partnership with SK.
I don't think theres any avoiding the mandatory military service, it can just be delayed for a certain amount of time, I think as many as 5 years, But I could be completely wrong so don't quote that.
On February 08 2012 01:00 devPLEASE wrote: Inevitable. I'm sorry but it is. I liked NaDa. And I really like oGs.
The only team I can think of where the players are in it for the team and having fun aspect is Team Liquid. That's I love them so much. Nobody on that team has sold out or will ever sell out for money, nobody from TL is or was so greedy that they would join another team just for money.
Debatable. Huk?
Huk rofl?
I'm pretty sure HuK left for personal reasons? He's not that greedy, probably had different views on how to practice/play. Find me proof that HuK is greedy.
I'm more or less quoting him "EG made me an offer that could change my whole career and my whole life financially speaking"
Link me bro. And NaDa isn't greedy I never said or implied that he was.
Hey look bro. It's the first link on google when I search for it. How amazing! I must be a fucking genius to manage to operate something as complicated as google. I'm sorry you find it such a struggle.
On February 08 2012 01:00 devPLEASE wrote: Inevitable. I'm sorry but it is. I liked NaDa. And I really like oGs.
The only team I can think of where the players are in it for the team and having fun aspect is Team Liquid. That's I love them so much. Nobody on that team has sold out or will ever sell out for money, nobody from TL is or was so greedy that they would join another team just for money.
Debatable. Huk?
Huk rofl?
I'm pretty sure HuK left for personal reasons? He's not that greedy, probably had different views on how to practice/play. Find me proof that HuK is greedy.
I'm more or less quoting him "EG made me an offer that could change my whole career and my whole life financially speaking"
Link me bro. And NaDa isn't greedy I never said or implied that he was.
He loved being a part of Liquid, and was willing to stay with us for significantly less than other teams. However, the offer that he received from EG wasn't just significant, it was potentially life-changing.
In then end I just want the best for everyone including myself. When I was trying to decide whether to stay with Liquid, or join EG, my biggest worry was that if I stayed with Liquid, I would regret it for business reasons. But now, even though I'm confident in my decision to join EG on a business level, I worry that I will end up regretting it on a personal level, because I will miss everyone so much.
On February 08 2012 01:43 Kazeyonoma wrote: the honest truth is that nada is probably going to be joining the military soon, didn't want to stay in ogs while it happened, and will make a decision about his progaming career shortly after that. Korean people don't like holding down their teams if they don't feel they can play their best. This is NaDa, he has a store he runs now, he's made tons of money off of his scbw days, and is going to university. Money, while definitely a factor, is not the determining one here. I doubt oGs paid him tons of money or anything, yet he stayed with them for these past 18 months or so. Why did no one get angry at Zenio for leaving oGs? because he joined liquid shortly after? cmon.
On February 08 2012 01:00 devPLEASE wrote: Inevitable. I'm sorry but it is. I liked NaDa. And I really like oGs.
The only team I can think of where the players are in it for the team and having fun aspect is Team Liquid. That's I love them so much. Nobody on that team has sold out or will ever sell out for money, nobody from TL is or was so greedy that they would join another team just for money.
Debatable. Huk?
Huk rofl?
I'm pretty sure HuK left for personal reasons? He's not that greedy, probably had different views on how to practice/play. Find me proof that HuK is greedy.
However, the offer that he received from EG wasn't just significant, it was potentially life-changing. - Nazgul
Unless they offered him a marriage with Idra I am pretty sure it's about money. Make sure you know what you're talking about.
I'm not blaming HuK for this choice I would probably have taken the money too.
Also he's having fun with Haypro and Jinro on twitter constantly more so then with the EG guys.
On February 08 2012 01:00 devPLEASE wrote: Inevitable. I'm sorry but it is. I liked NaDa. And I really like oGs.
The only team I can think of where the players are in it for the team and having fun aspect is Team Liquid. That's I love them so much. Nobody on that team has sold out or will ever sell out for money, nobody from TL is or was so greedy that they would join another team just for money.
Debatable. Huk?
Huk rofl?
I'm pretty sure HuK left for personal reasons? He's not that greedy, probably had different views on how to practice/play. Find me proof that HuK is greedy.
Find me proof that NaDa is greedy.
He had won of the most prize winnings in a single year of any progamer ever to date? Could be his motivation to win was that he really needed money at first, so by removing himself from oGs he's putting pressure on his play to provide his only source of income.
Nada and money are certainly no strangers to each other at the very least.
On February 08 2012 01:43 Kazeyonoma wrote: the honest truth is that nada is probably going to be joining the military soon, didn't want to stay in ogs while it happened, and will make a decision about his progaming career shortly after that. Korean people don't like holding down their teams if they don't feel they can play their best. This is NaDa, he has a store he runs now, he's made tons of money off of his scbw days, and is going to university. Money, while definitely a factor, is not the determining one here. I doubt oGs paid him tons of money or anything, yet he stayed with them for these past 18 months or so. Why did no one get angry at Zenio for leaving oGs? because he joined liquid shortly after? cmon.
Zenio got kicked out from oGs, he didnt leave.
he was practically transferred to Liquid. oGs recommended him to TL and after he decided that he didn't want to live in the team house anymore. Yes, that did involve him leaving oGs first, but as soon as oGs knew that he was leaving, they told liquid to take him
Nada is probably going into the millitary, korea is actually really strict about that. They even hesitate to send people abroad who haven't completed the service because it looks like they are running away. I could technically get a Korean citizenship as both my parents are Korean citizens, but if I did, I would have to go serve in the millitary.
I would not be surprised to see nada go into the millitary soon (although he is already buff as hell) and then make a decision after he finishes.
On February 08 2012 02:59 HaXXspetten wrote: Am I the only one who thinks Nada doesn't sound good with any team-tag at all? Like, not even oGs or Wemade?
Hmm i predict SKNada. I'm not sure about other foreign teams. Probably the only one with enough money is EG, but they seem content. Then again, it's EG. While Liquid'Nada would be insane, I doubt liquid has enough money to obtain Nada if they can't even hold onto HuK.
On February 08 2012 01:43 Kazeyonoma wrote: the honest truth is that nada is probably going to be joining the military soon, didn't want to stay in ogs while it happened, and will make a decision about his progaming career shortly after that. Korean people don't like holding down their teams if they don't feel they can play their best. This is NaDa, he has a store he runs now, he's made tons of money off of his scbw days, and is going to university. Money, while definitely a factor, is not the determining one here. I doubt oGs paid him tons of money or anything, yet he stayed with them for these past 18 months or so. Why did no one get angry at Zenio for leaving oGs? because he joined liquid shortly after? cmon.
Zenio got kicked out from oGs, he didnt leave.
he was practically transferred to Liquid. oGs recommended him to TL and after he decided that he didn't want to live in the team house anymore. Yes, that did involve him leaving oGs first, but as soon as oGs knew that he was leaving, they told liquid to take him
Besides, both oGs and Liquid' have stated that they are practically family. He might have left the team house but he didn't leave the family.
On February 08 2012 02:59 HaXXspetten wrote: Am I the only one who thinks Nada doesn't sound good with any team-tag at all? Like, not even oGs or Wemade?
On February 08 2012 03:00 omgimonfire15 wrote: Nada is probably going into the millitary, korea is actually really strict about that. They even hesitate to send people abroad who haven't completed the service because it looks like they are running away. I could technically get a Korean citizenship as both my parents are Korean citizens, but if I did, I would have to go serve in the millitary.
I would not be surprised to see nada go into the millitary soon (although he is already buff as hell) and then make a decision after he finishes.
I think Nada's one of the last people to avoid military service, he's a super famous person after all and I doubt he's willing to risk his reputation. People into the korean entertainment business should know how the people reacted to McMong avoiding his military service, even removing healthy teeth...
I don't know Nada personally though so who am I to judge his character I'll support him nomatter what and I'm sure Nada's Body will, too <3
I am assuming NaDa left because he was not improving as much as he wanted too. I am wishing for;
IM.NaDa
and can live with
SlayerS.NaDa (probably not lol)
Can't beat em? Join them. NaDa hwaiting!
On February 08 2012 02:54 Eee wrote: Zenio got kicked out from oGs, he didnt leave.
Didn't Zenio leave because he did not have a sufficient reason to live/practice outside the team house? Pretty sure he didn't get 'kicked' it was more of a mutual agreement? And plus living in a Korean pro-gaming house ain't no easy feat and joining TL would be messy if Zenio actually broke the rules and got 'kicked' because of the oGs-TL relationship.
On February 08 2012 01:00 devPLEASE wrote: Inevitable. I'm sorry but it is. I liked NaDa. And I really like oGs.
The only team I can think of where the players are in it for the team and having fun aspect is Team Liquid. That's I love them so much. Nobody on that team has sold out or will ever sell out for money, nobody from TL is or was so greedy that they would join another team just for money.
Debatable. Huk?
Huk rofl?
I'm pretty sure HuK left for personal reasons? He's not that greedy, probably had different views on how to practice/play. Find me proof that HuK is greedy.
Read his message in the news article posted by TL. He literally says that if it were down to personal reasons, he would have stayed with TL.
I'm not saying he's greedy mind you, he didn't turn his back on TL for the first slightly better offer he got. But when somebody wants to throw unreasonable amounts of money at you, you're simply going to take their money and ignore everything else.
On February 08 2012 03:12 NEOtheONE wrote: He won't join EG, simply because there would have been an announcement of an announcement by now if he was considering it.
LOL, well put. If EGNada was a possibility, there would already be a 200 page OP with encrypted messages and ambiguous videos.
I'm sad. What's going on? All the Korean's are going to Foreign teams, which is great, but I am not sure how many Korean's on Foreign teams the market can support.
I'm sad. What's going on? All the Korean's are going to Foreign teams, which is great, but I am not sure how many Korean's on Foreign teams the market can support.
isn't this a problem for korea? They need their top players too to gain sponsors, which ends up funding their team. Losing their famous players are going to hurt their current + future sponsors, right? I'm not suggesting I'm against this but I believe it may be a problem if this keeps up.
On February 08 2012 03:28 Megaman_X wrote: isn't this a problem for korea? They need their top players too to gain sponsors, which ends up funding their team. Losing their famous players are going to hurt their current + future sponsors, right? I'm not suggesting I'm against this but I believe it may be a problem if this keeps up.
Actually I think this would help simulate the amount of investment by Korean companies into SC2. Once they see how big the global/foreign market is. Imagine the top korean players winning the GSL representing foreign companies/labels. Which should entice korean patriotism to an extent.
On February 08 2012 02:59 HaXXspetten wrote: Am I the only one who thinks Nada doesn't sound good with any team-tag at all? Like, not even oGs or Wemade?
I would guess from his history that Nada is not really out for the cash. Nada has won a lot of money, he has a mouse made of gold for heaven's sake. I'm excited to hear that he wants to embrace a rookie mindset again.
It's not sad that he leaves. He's setting new challanges and he is postponing his military service. And he says he wants the same mindset as he had when he first became progamer and imo that means it's not beacuse of money. Eather way you can't be the best of the best if your motivation is money. Nada fighting!
Nada is better off going to the military specially the airforce where they would probably let him or have him manage and coach an upcoming sc2 team or start a special division like they have for broodwar. It would allow him to serve out his military service and still be able to play sc2. i would say with all the talk about A ranked players comming to sc2 it would be the best idea. Otherwise he delays his "Mandatory" service another year putting more pressure on him to join and that pressure will only continue to grow every year he doesnt join. As for people saying EG/MOUZ/SK etc I would call you guys retarded. Think about the player and how much success he could have by joining the airforce and possibly becoming a coach.
This really leaves oGs without any real impressionable big names with the exception of up and coming supernova who I think is becoming a powerhouse in his own right. I'm very interested to see who, if anyone oGs get in to replace the outgoing talent they've lost recently.
Well GL to Nada but sorry oGs, your roster is slowly worsening so show us that the people still on it can kick ass. It's sad to see their 2 pretty much best players leave the team.
On February 08 2012 01:43 Kazeyonoma wrote: the honest truth is that nada is probably going to be joining the military soon, didn't want to stay in ogs while it happened, and will make a decision about his progaming career shortly after that. Korean people don't like holding down their teams if they don't feel they can play their best. This is NaDa, he has a store he runs now, he's made tons of money off of his scbw days, and is going to university. Money, while definitely a factor, is not the determining one here. I doubt oGs paid him tons of money or anything, yet he stayed with them for these past 18 months or so. Why did no one get angry at Zenio for leaving oGs? because he joined liquid shortly after? cmon.
Zenio got kicked out from oGs, he didnt leave.
he was practically transferred to Liquid. oGs recommended him to TL and after he decided that he didn't want to live in the team house anymore. Yes, that did involve him leaving oGs first, but as soon as oGs knew that he was leaving, they told liquid to take him
Zenio wasnt living in the oGs house for the last 5 months, he got kicked a long time after he left the house. It was mutual, maybe its wrong saying he got kicked, but saying he left is not right either. oGs released him i guess.
On February 08 2012 04:58 TuElite wrote: oh, sounds like he wants some more of that foreign sponsorship money.. His reasons don't seem valid at all imo. Very questionable decision.
Are you kidding me? You work to get money to pay the bills, right? Progaming is his job -- He does it for money. It's not unreasonable at all.
damn he still has to go to the military though that sucks!
gl tho nada!
(plus, he hasn't even been full time playing sc2 due to being at a university)
It's a pity we might not ever see nada play at "full" potential ever again . Maybe though since it's SC2 and not SC BW, and the expansions are still yet to come, he can still have a good shot of being a high tier progamer after he comes back from the military?
Nada doesn't have great sc2 results and isn't doing as well as previously. However, he would still have a lot of value to a foreign team because like boxer, he doesn't need to win a gsl to be popular because he's already a legend and people will always come out to see him at events. Plus, in the words of snsd, nada...brings the boys out....because of his body.
On February 08 2012 05:08 LanTAs wrote: guys calm ur tits, he's just going to mandatory military service.....
My breasts are calmed and at bay. However, you fine sir, should read the full article before flapping your melons around like two balloons caught in a windstorm.
Damn... I did not see this at all. I am pretty excited to hear what team NaDa joins. If NaDa joins EG, then IdrA will be happy knowing that his role model/idol is on his team, lol.
It's so sad to see NaDa leaving oGs, but I think this will end up being better for NaDa. Such a shame that he hasn't completed his military service yet and will have to soon... T.T
sounds like NaDa wants to get paid for a whole year before getting shipped off for his military service... nothing wrong with that, either EG.Nada or FnaticNada incoming.
On February 08 2012 01:00 devPLEASE wrote: Inevitable. I'm sorry but it is. I liked NaDa. And I really like oGs.
The only team I can think of where the players are in it for the team and having fun aspect is Team Liquid. That's I love them so much. Nobody on that team has sold out or will ever sell out for money, nobody from TL is or was so greedy that they would join another team just for money.
Debatable. Huk?
Huk rofl?
I'm pretty sure HuK left for personal reasons? He's not that greedy, probably had different views on how to practice/play. Find me proof that HuK is greedy.
I'm more or less quoting him "EG made me an offer that could change my whole career and my whole life financially speaking"
Link me bro. And NaDa isn't greedy I never said or implied that he was.
On February 07 2012 20:17 Lorch wrote: Ah man poor ogs, loosing their 2nd top tier player in such short time. inb4 nada joining sk as well Ah well nada fighting!!!
2nd top tier player?
NaDa didnt show anything remarkable in sc2
Despite having no significant tournament wins to date, NaDa has been one of the most consistent players in the entirety of the GSL. Clide and NaDa hold the record as the only players to have never fallen to Code A or played in the Up and Down Matches in the original GSL Code S format which spanned from January to October 2011. They both would go to Code A in GSL November 2011. (From TLPD)
On February 08 2012 05:53 Al Bundy wrote: So it seems that sc2 is all about money.
How so? NaDa for all you know really wants to join a new team to grow within. I mean a lot of the names that started oGs have started to leave now with NaDa gone perhaps he wants to join a new team to practice with? Its also possible he wants to shift his role a little bit since he does have to go to the army soon. Who knows he might even want to play LoL, he did make a video promoting it a while ago. You never know.
I think NaDa shouldn't be a mercenary for his name's sake and legacy. The most decorated BW player and one of the greatest ESPORTS legends in a foreign team for money ? I hope not. Imo he should start his own thing or join Slayers. The prospect of him joining a team with a say year long CJ B-teamer is disturbing for me.
On February 08 2012 05:29 devPLEASE wrote: TSL_NaDa would be great, or NaDaPrime.
EGNaDa simply sounds attrocious, just doesn't have that nice ring to my ears like EGIdrA does.
NaDa to EG wouldn't be that bad; they're my favourite team, so that'd be nice. Plus we'd get to see him a lot more providing he lives in Korea, with more foreign tournaments and such.
On February 08 2012 06:06 disciple wrote: I think NaDa shouldn't be a mercenary for his name's sake and legacy. The most decorated BW player and one of the greatest ESPORTS legends in a foreign team for money ? I hope not. Imo he should start his own thing or join Slayers. The prospect of him joining a team with a say year long CJ B-teamer is disturbing for me.
On the other hand, should we let BW history get in the way of people's success nowadays?
We have to be quite careful about putting people down for being "year long CJ B-teamer"s - if you found success in SC2, why should you be looked down upon for your lack of success in BW?
After all, by comparison NaDa did very well for a solid period of BW, but has accomplished only OK results in SC2. If a great player in SC2 did worse in BW, why be snobs about it?
I'd have to guess that Liquid would have the best inside knowledge of his contract status well before it expired, so they would have to have a slight edge if you were a betting man in terms of recruitment to a foreigner team. But SK's previous association with oGs would place them well too. I doubt EG are in the picture here, but you never know!
In reality, if his star power/advertising power is high in KR, you would expect a Korean team to pick him up first and foremost wouldn't you? He could use a statement of interest to play for a foreigner team just to motivate the Korean teams to compete harder for his contract.
On February 08 2012 06:06 disciple wrote: I think NaDa shouldn't be a mercenary for his name's sake and legacy. The most decorated BW player and one of the greatest ESPORTS legends in a foreign team for money ? I hope not. Imo he should start his own thing or join Slayers. The prospect of him joining a team with a say year long CJ B-teamer is disturbing for me.
On the other hand, should we let BW history get in the way of people's success nowadays?
We have to be quite careful about putting people down for being "year long CJ B-teamer"s - if you found success in SC2, why should you be looked down upon for your lack of success in BW?
After all, by comparison NaDa did very well for a solid period of BW, but has accomplished only OK results in SC2. If a great player in SC2 did worse in BW, why be snobs about it?
My point is that a player like him should strive towards making a deeper impact in the scene, not just put his name under the brand which would give him the best salary. What you said is completely true, but comparing Nada's role in SC2 with Boxer's I can feel nothing more but disappointment for Nada. I think in Korea the old BW legends are the guys to set an example and draw interest to SC2, using their names and accomplishments in BW.
On February 08 2012 06:06 disciple wrote: I think NaDa shouldn't be a mercenary for his name's sake and legacy. The most decorated BW player and one of the greatest ESPORTS legends in a foreign team for money ? I hope not. Imo he should start his own thing or join Slayers. The prospect of him joining a team with a say year long CJ B-teamer is disturbing for me.
On February 08 2012 06:06 disciple wrote: I think NaDa shouldn't be a mercenary for his name's sake and legacy. The most decorated BW player and one of the greatest ESPORTS legends in a foreign team for money ? I hope not. Imo he should start his own thing or join Slayers. The prospect of him joining a team with a say year long CJ B-teamer is disturbing for me.
On the other hand, should we let BW history get in the way of people's success nowadays?
We have to be quite careful about putting people down for being "year long CJ B-teamer"s - if you found success in SC2, why should you be looked down upon for your lack of success in BW?
After all, by comparison NaDa did very well for a solid period of BW, but has accomplished only OK results in SC2. If a great player in SC2 did worse in BW, why be snobs about it?
My point is that a player like him should strive towards making a deeper impact in the scene, not just put his name under the brand which would give him the best salary. What you said is completely true, but comparing Nada's role in SC2 with Boxer's I can feel nothing more but disappointment for Nada. I think in Korea the old BW legends are the guys to set an example and draw interest to SC2, using their names and accomplishments in BW.
Hmmm, you make it sound as if they're mutually exclusive.
I mean, overall -- and to be fair to NaDa -- BoxeR's the only big legend who's had an enormous impact on SC2. The only other big "legend" to have given anything significant back to SC2 community would probably be Grubby, through casting, streaming, and general PR-related work -- and that only very recently. Everyone else (let's say the big-name players like July, NaDa, Moon, ToD, fOrGG, Lyn, etc.) just plays, pretty much.
I know EG has lots of money and all, but do you really think they can just sign everyone? They just signed JYP. They gave Huk a huge deal to play with them. They signed Puma to a deal. They also have Idra, another big named player. Nada would be great for them, name-wise and would be one of their better players, but if they want Nada, he's more than likely going to want a lot of money. He isn't a sheltered Korean who is getting paid scraps and then gets an offer from a foreigner team, which looks amazing at first look, and jumps all over it because he's young and inexperienced.
Nada is a smart guy. I'm sure there is a possibility he joins EG or another top foreign team just for money, but it'll take more than signing JYP or Puma. Nada is already established, he has money and he's his own brand. If he wanted, to let's say, take over ZeNex and make that team his own, like Boxer and Slayers, he could do that. The dude is beloved in Korea and one of the legends of e-sports like Boxer. With a year left before joining the military, he might want to leave a legacy that can continue when he is off in the army.
A player of his caliber should have won a GSL by now, especially during the early days of SC2 when terran was much stronger, the GSL was his for the taking all it took was a bunker rush and good micro back then. And yet, all he's managed to get in a whole year and a half is a quarter finals.
I think Nada's playstyle is way too passive, it might have worked in SC1 but in SC2 terran is an aggressive race, and his playstyle is completely unadapted. He's got a lot of work cut out for him if he wants to win a GSL, he needs to rework his entire playstyle.
On February 08 2012 06:39 Demorase wrote: A player of his caliber should have won a GSL by now, especially during the early days of SC2 when terran was much stronger, the GSL was his for the taking all it took was a bunker rush and good micro back then. And yet, all he's managed to get in a whole year and a half is a quarter finals.
I think Nada's playstyle is way too passive, it might have worked in SC1 but in SC2 terran is an aggressive race, and his playstyle is completely unadapted. He's got a lot of work cut out for him if he wants to win a GSL, he needs to rework his entire playstyle.
I think Nada had a great shot at winning GSL May, but then Inca cheesed him to death and we never got the epic finals of Nada vs. Nestea.
I don't think it hurts oGs that much to lose him. He hasn't really been a contender for a code S championship, ever. I think oGs probably could have kept him if they wanted to, seeing as they just got a new sponsor or two and a partnership.
With his impending military service coming up I think this is a move to join a foreign team and try to attend as many events outside Korea as possible. I'm pretty sure he has more fans now then the height of his competitive BW career. I'm going to make a point this year to see him live in person is he makes it to North America.
On February 08 2012 06:34 Fionn wrote: Nada is already established, he has money and he's his own brand. If he wanted, to let's say, take over ZeNex and make that team his own, like Boxer and Slayers, he could do that.
On February 08 2012 06:39 Demorase wrote: A player of his caliber should have won a GSL by now, especially during the early days of SC2 when terran was much stronger, the GSL was his for the taking all it took was a bunker rush and good micro back then. And yet, all he's managed to get in a whole year and a half is a quarter finals.
I think Nada's playstyle is way too passive, it might have worked in SC1 but in SC2 terran is an aggressive race, and his playstyle is completely unadapted. He's got a lot of work cut out for him if he wants to win a GSL, he needs to rework his entire playstyle.
On February 08 2012 06:39 Demorase wrote: A player of his caliber should have won a GSL by now, especially during the early days of SC2 when terran was much stronger, the GSL was his for the taking all it took was a bunker rush and good micro back then. And yet, all he's managed to get in a whole year and a half is a quarter finals.
I think Nada's playstyle is way too passive, it might have worked in SC1 but in SC2 terran is an aggressive race, and his playstyle is completely unadapted. He's got a lot of work cut out for him if he wants to win a GSL, he needs to rework his entire playstyle.
I think Nada had a great shot at winning GSL May, but then Inca cheesed him to death and we never got the epic finals of Nada vs. Nestea.
Oh Inca.
You can't blame Inca for abusing Nada's passivity, if Inca managed to exploit it so easily I don't see how Nada would have won a best of 7 in the finals anyway.
No, the problem is his playstyle, he plays Terran like Protoss, sitting forever macroing defending without ever attacking, except unlike Protoss he can't get a powerful death ball that can win in a straight battle maxed out. His playstyle makes no sense for Terran in SC2.
On February 08 2012 06:06 disciple wrote: I think NaDa shouldn't be a mercenary for his name's sake and legacy. The most decorated BW player and one of the greatest ESPORTS legends in a foreign team for money ? I hope not. Imo he should start his own thing or join Slayers. The prospect of him joining a team with a say year long CJ B-teamer is disturbing for me.
I like team liquid for the types of players they pick up, Would I want sheth ( or any TL player) to be the flash of sc2 to give up being as sweet as he (they) is? nonono I wouldn't
On February 08 2012 06:39 Demorase wrote: A player of his caliber should have won a GSL by now, especially during the early days of SC2 when terran was much stronger, the GSL was his for the taking all it took was a bunker rush and good micro back then. And yet, all he's managed to get in a whole year and a half is a quarter finals.
I think Nada's playstyle is way too passive, it might have worked in SC1 but in SC2 terran is an aggressive race, and his playstyle is completely unadapted. He's got a lot of work cut out for him if he wants to win a GSL, he needs to rework his entire playstyle.
Also, he's old.
He's not older than Nestea, who has won 3 championships so far, of which 1 was when his race was 2 times less powerful than Terran and still managed to win.
There's really no angle to explain Nada's underwhelming results so far, except that maybe he picked the absolute wrong race for his playstyle, i.e. passivity and reaction.
I just hope that Nada won't join the first random team that promess to pay him what he asks... I really hope he sees more than the money in this change and really wants to give it all for his last year as a progamer (most likely).
On February 08 2012 06:39 Demorase wrote: A player of his caliber should have won a GSL by now, especially during the early days of SC2 when terran was much stronger, the GSL was his for the taking all it took was a bunker rush and good micro back then. And yet, all he's managed to get in a whole year and a half is a quarter finals.
I think Nada's playstyle is way too passive, it might have worked in SC1 but in SC2 terran is an aggressive race, and his playstyle is completely unadapted. He's got a lot of work cut out for him if he wants to win a GSL, he needs to rework his entire playstyle.
I think Nada had a great shot at winning GSL May, but then Inca cheesed him to death and we never got the epic finals of Nada vs. Nestea.
Oh Inca.
You can't blame Inca for abusing Nada's passivity, if Inca managed to exploit it so easily I don't see how Nada would have won a best of 7 in the finals anyway.
No, the problem is his playstyle, he plays Terran like Protoss, sitting forever macroing defending without ever attacking, except unlike Protoss he can't get a powerful death ball that can win in a straight battle maxed out. His playstyle makes no sense for Terran in SC2.
Have you watched his stream? That isn't his playstyle at all. Maybe it was once upon a time, but just because it was once doesn't mean it is now. He does all the standard Terran harrassment: banshees, hellions, drops etc and timing attacks too.
He also remains one of the most consistent players in SC2 just like he was in BW, so it's a tough argument to say that his playstyle was failing badly at any one point. Admittedly his win ratio has never been exceptional, but it's definitely been consistently decent.
On February 08 2012 06:39 Demorase wrote: A player of his caliber should have won a GSL by now, especially during the early days of SC2 when terran was much stronger, the GSL was his for the taking all it took was a bunker rush and good micro back then. And yet, all he's managed to get in a whole year and a half is a quarter finals.
I think Nada's playstyle is way too passive, it might have worked in SC1 but in SC2 terran is an aggressive race, and his playstyle is completely unadapted. He's got a lot of work cut out for him if he wants to win a GSL, he needs to rework his entire playstyle.
I think Nada had a great shot at winning GSL May, but then Inca cheesed him to death and we never got the epic finals of Nada vs. Nestea.
Oh Inca.
You can't blame Inca for abusing Nada's passivity, if Inca managed to exploit it so easily I don't see how Nada would have won a best of 7 in the finals anyway.
No, the problem is his playstyle, he plays Terran like Protoss, sitting forever macroing defending without ever attacking, except unlike Protoss he can't get a powerful death ball that can win in a straight battle maxed out. His playstyle makes no sense for Terran in SC2.
Have you watched his stream? That isn't his playstyle at all. Maybe it was once upon a time, but just because it was once doesn't mean it is now. He does all the standard Terran harrassment: banshees, hellions, drops etc and timing attacks too.
He also remains one of the most consistent players in SC2 just like he was in BW, so it's a tough argument to say that his playstyle was failing badly at any one point. Admittedly his win ratio has never been exceptional, but it's definitely been consistently decent.
Nada is extremely passive, he will NEVER be willing to risk it all on an all-in for example, and that's his Achilles heel. Everybody in the GSL knows it, he's no threat in the early-mid game, and everybody knows how to exploit his passivity by either cheesing him or outmacroing him by expanding more.
He's like Idra a year ago, except Idra is aware of it and has worked a lot to be less predictable, whereas Nada has made virtually no adjustement. And Idra plays a more passive race, and even then his passivity was a problem, let alone for a Terran.
I'd be kind of skeptical to pick up NaDa now as another team due to his reasoning for leaving. "I wanted to give myself new challenges" doesn't exactly say oGs was treating him poorly or anything. That and his mandatory military service coming up.
On February 07 2012 20:00 Strike_ wrote: WHAT NOOOO
why ? if he have more motivation he will start to be good again, atm in oGs he was falling more and more apart and soon would be out of the pro scene
On February 08 2012 06:42 Chvol wrote: I don't think it hurts oGs that much to lose him. He hasn't really been a contender for a code S championship, ever. I think oGs probably could have kept him if they wanted to, seeing as they just got a new sponsor or two and a partnership.
you've no idea ^^ its like you lose michael jordan in basketball in the end, perhaps he not the fastest anymore, perhaps hes not the biggest not the best and not even the most talented BUT his name alone makes your team 1million times bigger
Wow, I come home, get on TL, and find this. I think it's safe to say that this was completely unexpected. Anyways, best of luck to him finding another team and his time in the military.
On February 08 2012 06:39 Demorase wrote: A player of his caliber should have won a GSL by now, especially during the early days of SC2 when terran was much stronger, the GSL was his for the taking all it took was a bunker rush and good micro back then. And yet, all he's managed to get in a whole year and a half is a quarter finals.
I think Nada's playstyle is way too passive, it might have worked in SC1 but in SC2 terran is an aggressive race, and his playstyle is completely unadapted. He's got a lot of work cut out for him if he wants to win a GSL, he needs to rework his entire playstyle.
I think Nada had a great shot at winning GSL May, but then Inca cheesed him to death and we never got the epic finals of Nada vs. Nestea.
Oh Inca.
You can't blame Inca for abusing Nada's passivity, if Inca managed to exploit it so easily I don't see how Nada would have won a best of 7 in the finals anyway.
No, the problem is his playstyle, he plays Terran like Protoss, sitting forever macroing defending without ever attacking, except unlike Protoss he can't get a powerful death ball that can win in a straight battle maxed out. His playstyle makes no sense for Terran in SC2.
Have you watched his stream? That isn't his playstyle at all. Maybe it was once upon a time, but just because it was once doesn't mean it is now. He does all the standard Terran harrassment: banshees, hellions, drops etc and timing attacks too.
He also remains one of the most consistent players in SC2 just like he was in BW, so it's a tough argument to say that his playstyle was failing badly at any one point. Admittedly his win ratio has never been exceptional, but it's definitely been consistently decent.
Nada is extremely passive, he will NEVER be willing to risk it all on an all-in for example, and that's his Achilles heel. Everybody in the GSL knows it, he's no threat in the early-mid game, and everybody knows how to exploit his passivity by either cheesing him or outmacroing him by expanding more.
He's like Idra a year ago, except Idra is aware of it and has worked a lot to be less predictable, whereas Nada has made virtually no adjustement. And Idra plays a more passive race, and even then his passivity was a problem, let alone for a Terran.
You have seen Nada vs keen the first time they met? Passive is a word i would absolutly not attribute to that game.
On February 08 2012 06:39 Demorase wrote: A player of his caliber should have won a GSL by now, especially during the early days of SC2 when terran was much stronger, the GSL was his for the taking all it took was a bunker rush and good micro back then. And yet, all he's managed to get in a whole year and a half is a quarter finals.
I think Nada's playstyle is way too passive, it might have worked in SC1 but in SC2 terran is an aggressive race, and his playstyle is completely unadapted. He's got a lot of work cut out for him if he wants to win a GSL, he needs to rework his entire playstyle.
I think Nada had a great shot at winning GSL May, but then Inca cheesed him to death and we never got the epic finals of Nada vs. Nestea.
Oh Inca.
You can't blame Inca for abusing Nada's passivity, if Inca managed to exploit it so easily I don't see how Nada would have won a best of 7 in the finals anyway.
No, the problem is his playstyle, he plays Terran like Protoss, sitting forever macroing defending without ever attacking, except unlike Protoss he can't get a powerful death ball that can win in a straight battle maxed out. His playstyle makes no sense for Terran in SC2.
Have you watched his stream? That isn't his playstyle at all. Maybe it was once upon a time, but just because it was once doesn't mean it is now. He does all the standard Terran harrassment: banshees, hellions, drops etc and timing attacks too.
He also remains one of the most consistent players in SC2 just like he was in BW, so it's a tough argument to say that his playstyle was failing badly at any one point. Admittedly his win ratio has never been exceptional, but it's definitely been consistently decent.
Nada is extremely passive, he will NEVER be willing to risk it all on an all-in for example, and that's his Achilles heel. Everybody in the GSL knows it, he's no threat in the early-mid game, and everybody knows how to exploit his passivity by either cheesing him or outmacroing him by expanding more.
He's like Idra a year ago, except Idra is aware of it and has worked a lot to be less predictable, whereas Nada has made virtually no adjustement. And Idra plays a more passive race, and even then his passivity was a problem, let alone for a Terran.
I'm sorry, but never all-inning isn't the same as being extremely passive. He makes aggressive moves, all-in or not, and therefore by definition he isn't passive.
I also disagree with the sentiment that Terran is necessarily a more aggressive race. There are playstyles that don't revolve around aggression which have been successful (mech is the easy example), and a lot of recent styles have had a bigger focus on expanding at Zerg-like speed than being aggressive (I have seen Nada play this style).
Anyway, maybe you're right that Nada has to add the occasional all-in to his play to achieve real success at this game, but in my opinion that says much more about SC2 as a game than anything else.
This is really sad, but being NaDa he should find a team in no time! Though if oGs needs to stop losing their big name players, Zenio, MC, and now NaDa.
This is so bizarre. He already had a really good deal to go to foreign tournaments via OGS-SK, just like MC.
I can understand MC dumping OGS for SK if there was enough money involved. But Nada? He was making a ton of money in BW and he threw it all away in order to pursue SC2. It just doesn't make sense.
Interesting. Best of luck to NaDa. I'm really excited to see if this has the desired results and helps him improve his game. I'd love to see him back on top stomping nerds like a boss.
So basically the amount of reasons he gave for leaving was...nada:D
Just trollin. I wonder if nada didn't have a good enough training schedule at oGs? The argument could be made that he is A) looking for more money or B) looking for better practice. I want it to be B
If EG gets him, I look forward to the juicy drama and it somehow involving Idra disliking someone and Incontol becoming the default PR guy. If not, there is always next time.
On February 08 2012 08:34 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: If EG gets him, I look forward to the juicy drama and it somehow involving Idra disliking someone and Incontol becoming the default PR guy. If not, there is always next time.
dude, i don't really want EG to get Nada, but after seeing those whining crybabys here, there is nothing i would wish more
Hopefully whatever team he ends up going to will be a good fit for him. I'm also wondering if his upcoming military service has anything to do with this decision, as well as the kind of skid he's been on lately.
On February 08 2012 08:34 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: If EG gets him, I look forward to the juicy drama and it somehow involving Idra disliking someone and Incontol becoming the default PR guy. If not, there is always next time.
dude, i don't really want EG to get Nada, but after seeing those whining crybabys here, there is nothing i would wish more
Agreed. Nada on EG isn't particularly exciting to me, but the reaction of the EG antifans if Nada joins... that would be priceless.
On February 07 2012 20:03 pycho wrote: "i want new challenges" - progamers "i want more money"
Or he didn't feel like he can get better with his current team.
I dunno, I think it's a legitimate motivation for leaving. Sometimes you're just tired of being where you are and you feel like expanding to new challenges is a better way to enjoy your life.
I don't think there's gonna be an EG nada, sadly. If nada had even as much as said "hi" to EG there would be an announcement of an announcement of an announcement full of hype up already.
Please go to SK Gaming. I really want him there with MC. Please don't go to EG. That's just . . . If he goes to a foreign team hopefully it's Complexity or Gosu Gaming.
On February 08 2012 10:38 Bagration wrote: If Nada joins Slayers, Slayers would be the ultimate dream team.
Would be cool to see Boxer and Nada playing together! since they've both been the ultimate terran players from sc1! But i don't see this happen at all. NaDa joining a foreign team seems more viable for him and i think he will just join up with MC too SK.
Wow, quite the big announcements from oGs these past few weeks. And not for the better, it seems . Oh well, I wish the best for the futures of both the team and NaDa!
korean esports teams hopefully can either find a way to make sc2 more supported/tourneys to attract sponsors, otherwise the outside world has been on that shit a lot harder than the businessmen in Seoul and you're going to be seeing koreans not renew contracts in hopes of getting a private sponsor if they're famous, or something like SK/EG paycheck if they're... famous
right now i'd say the supply of pros is > the demand, since the demand is still pretty low.
but esports is looking up no matter how you look at this news =]
Yeah, I really don't think Nada is looking for cash. This isn't another nineteen-year-old kid who is sick of living off scraps and bunking with two other guys in a cramped room. He has a university education, his own store, and has won bundles of cash in Brood War and Starcraft 2. I can honestly see him going to a team where he can leave his legacy. It really feels like he sees his window shutting with the army coming and he wants one more year to leave his mark on the world of e-sports before he is gone for two years.
? CEO of a company that isn't exactly multi-billionare .. comon dudde he needs money regardless, and the fact is he is STILL in college dont give me that bullshit he is making the big monies
good move by nada, why? because if he joins a foreign team it will only beenfit us, more sponsers/exposure etc theres no negative for the foringer community why fight somehting that benefits us in both the long and short run?
we can't let the koreans be isoalted from us like in sc1, i duno i just feel this game is alot more enetertaining if all fronts hold good players.
I've seen Liquid'Nada, EGNada, SK.Nada, SlayersNada... I would guess from those choices to be SlayersNada or SK.Nada. Either he will be with MC or BoxeR.
On February 08 2012 11:16 Fionn wrote: Yeah, I really don't think Nada is looking for cash. This isn't another nineteen-year-old kid who is sick of living off scraps and bunking with two other guys in a cramped room. He has a university education, his own store, and has won bundles of cash in Brood War and Starcraft 2. I can honestly see him going to a team where he can leave his legacy. It really feels like he sees his window shutting with the army coming and he wants one more year to leave his mark on the world of e-sports before he is gone for two years.
could be, but it's unwise to assume that anyone with a business thinks that that business is SO solid that they can rely on it for the rest of their lives to the point that that "cut-throat drive" that you need to do well in this life cuts out, and that they're still not looking to acquire as much $ as possible
Uhhhhh, given that NaDa has, at least, a good ~500k in the bank from his time on WMF alone -- not even talking about past winnings or anything, just how much he was signed for during his time on that team -- I don't think he's exactly hurting for money right now. He left all that to go to SC2, mind you, where he probably wasn't making 1/10 of what he was making on WMF.
Not to mention, a shit ton of cash in the bank and a good university education for him to fall back on (a Computer Engineering degree, which is highly marketable, from Inha University, which, despite what rumor likes to tell people, is not a "community-college"), and I highly, highly doubt he's doing it for money -- or at least, that's not his main motivation.
On February 08 2012 11:30 babylon wrote: Uhhhhh, given that NaDa has, at least, a good ~500k in the bank from his time on WMF alone -- not even talking about past winnings or anything, just how much he was signed for during his time on that team -- I don't think he's exactly hurting for money right now. He left all that to go to SC2, mind you, where he probably wasn't making 1/10 of what he was making on WMF.
Not to mention, a shit ton of cash in the bank and a good university education for him to fall back on (a Computer Engineering degree, which is highly marketable, from Inha University, which, despite what rumor likes to tell people, is not a "community-college"), and I highly, highly doubt he's doing it for money -- or at least, that's not his main motivation.
Lol 500k.. ok let me explain to you something -
- he is a famous player correct- yes he was VERY successful. Money however is a fiat item that has the ability to disapear. now nada obviously doesnt live rent free, he doesnt have food delivered to him for free, he doesnt get gas for free he doesnt live for free ok? got that?
now lets return back to the logical pathway . 500k - ~300k living costs since he earned that - Xk that he lost doing other "stuff" leisure etc etc etc etc
Now, he has this business thats great. But if you do economics theres a thing called marginal benefit. he might be in the money river in the long run, but right now, thats not the case. Its economics, hard to argue with it.
My recommendations for NaDa- even if he doesnt want to. Join a foreigner team for money and I also feel hes not at the top in korea so it seems more realistic he will make grater profit overseas since he is better than most players (bar some mouz/empire players) - MLG's shouldnt be a problem me thinks.
upon a bit more thinking -- i don't know nada too well, but based on how people make him out to be -- i think him pushing military back 1 year is a sign that he is doing this in preparation and for the sake of competition. i think sc2 is growing a lotttt more than people expected, and he's noticing this and it's adding to his competitive desire. does he have the supreme desire to be the best, that he knows being the best requires from having been there in bw, that other newer players have?
sc2 in korea right now is getting really highly-skilled and a lot of people REALLY want to be the best. so... Nada pushing back his compulsory military is a sign that he has faith in that drive.
In this video he talks about LoL, I really believe with the huge growth of LoL.. this is his new challenge. LoL right now is much bigger than sc2 and I think he is considering moving to LoL.
im pretty sure Nada is not poor as he was the highest paid broodwar player before flash. he also did not have to pay living costs when he was with Wemade Fox.
that being said, he's prob. serious about being a serious gamer
On February 08 2012 11:57 SuperFanBoy wrote: It has nothing to do with money at all.
In this video he talks about LoL, I really believe with the huge growth of LoL.. this is his new challenge. LoL right now is much bigger than sc2 and I think he is considering moving to LoL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynAOxvJ0580
On February 08 2012 11:57 SuperFanBoy wrote: It has nothing to do with money at all.
In this video he talks about LoL, I really believe with the huge growth of LoL.. this is his new challenge. LoL right now is much bigger than sc2 and I think he is considering moving to LoL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynAOxvJ0580
Why would he switch to a new game? If he was 19/20/21/22, yes, then go ahead. Learn a new game and try to hit big, but Nada has said he has a year or so left before going into the army. LoL might get really big in Korea, but to move to a new game, learn it, and try to become a contender in said game in less than a year sounds pretty foolish. No reason for him to switch, especially since he seems to love playing Brood War/Starcraft 2.
Also he can make a lot more money in SC2 from a foreign team. Especially when LoL teams are four/five(?) players and his name brand won't cross over as much to a different game. He's not young enough or have the time to throw away SC2 and move to a new game before going to the army.
On February 08 2012 11:30 babylon wrote: Uhhhhh, given that NaDa has, at least, a good ~500k in the bank from his time on WMF alone -- not even talking about past winnings or anything, just how much he was signed for during his time on that team -- I don't think he's exactly hurting for money right now. He left all that to go to SC2, mind you, where he probably wasn't making 1/10 of what he was making on WMF.
Not to mention, a shit ton of cash in the bank and a good university education for him to fall back on (a Computer Engineering degree, which is highly marketable, from Inha University, which, despite what rumor likes to tell people, is not a "community-college"), and I highly, highly doubt he's doing it for money -- or at least, that's not his main motivation.
Lol 500k.. ok let me explain to you something -
- he is a famous player correct- yes he was VERY successful. Money however is a fiat item that has the ability to disapear. now nada obviously doesnt live rent free, he doesnt have food delivered to him for free, he doesnt get gas for free he doesnt live for free ok? got that?
now lets return back to the logical pathway . 500k - ~300k living costs since he earned that - Xk that he lost doing other "stuff" leisure etc etc etc etc
Now, he has this business thats great. But if you do economics theres a thing called marginal benefit. he might be in the money river in the long run, but right now, thats not the case. Its economics, hard to argue with it.
My recommendations for NaDa- even if he doesnt want to. Join a foreigner team for money and I also feel hes not at the top in korea so it seems more realistic he will make grater profit overseas since he is better than most players (bar some mouz/empire players) - MLG's shouldnt be a problem me thinks.
thanks.
He was earning over 200,000 a year salary, in addition to everything else. He has lived in a team house for the majority of the time since then. Money is not a huge concern for him.
If Nada was only in it for the money he would have attended far more foreign tournaments and would have been on a foreigner team long ago. Obviously money matters to EVERYONE, but Nada has always been someone that wants to prove that he's the best more than cashing out; it's the reason he remained a top-tier player for longer than basically everyone else. He very well may go to a foreign team, but the reason he's leaving oGs isn't for money, it's because he's not happy with his results lately.
On February 08 2012 11:57 SuperFanBoy wrote: It has nothing to do with money at all.
In this video he talks about LoL, I really believe with the huge growth of LoL.. this is his new challenge. LoL right now is much bigger than sc2 and I think he is considering moving to LoL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynAOxvJ0580
As much as I hate LoL, there are some honest reasons him switching would make 0 sense.
He's played Starcraft competitively for 11+ years, he has only another year left before his military service, SC2 paid out more than League did last year, sc2 players get a salary, etc. etc. etc.
On February 08 2012 11:57 SuperFanBoy wrote: It has nothing to do with money at all.
In this video he talks about LoL, I really believe with the huge growth of LoL.. this is his new challenge. LoL right now is much bigger than sc2 and I think he is considering moving to LoL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynAOxvJ0580
Please. God. No. Thankfully I am 99.9% certain this will not happen.
LoL is successful, at least more so in Korea then SC2. Starting a new game does fit with a few of the "hints" Nada may have said in his interview.
But then again he is a top tier SC:BW and SC2 player with the 11+ years of skill development and refinement. He also has website business to take care of (which I think is another possibility), but at the sametime he has seen first hand the interest in starcraft abroad as well as many fellow players earning a salary on foreign teams. Starting all over in LoL instead of capitalizing on his SC skill and being able to travel globally for events isn't really something I see him doing. Besides, how long would it take for him to develop the skill to be truly successful and competitive, then picked up by a big teams to play and win big prizes? Surely more then a year or less (until his mandatory military service.)
I'd be disappointing if he switched to LoL, I'm hoping this just means he's looking to join a foreign team like a few of the Koreans have been doing lately. Good luck to him whatever he decides.
On February 07 2012 20:04 YipMan wrote: Money talks...
Can you blame them? It's their job ofcourse they are gonna take a big raise if they can get it.
Nada gets a raise and he gets to travel the world more. I don't fault any player for doing what's best for them, you can only play for so long. Plus it's Nada that would have the regrets if he didn't take this kind of opportunity, not us. And I don't want to bad mouth oGs, but if you're a Nada fan then you've only really been able to see him in the GSL. It'll be cool to see him outside of Korea.
One last thing. For me personally, Nada hasn't come to embody oGs in the way that Boxer is the figurehead of Slayers, for example. I can't imagine Boxer not on Slayers, but I can certainly imagine Nada on a foreign team. A month ago that would sound just as likely as Alive leaving TSL to join fnatic.
Nada would be one of the best Koreans to join a foreign team to date, imo second to Alive.
On February 08 2012 13:03 MildSeven wrote: manly man like NaDa don't need to care about loyalty, it's all about trouncing noobs and getting da monies.
This has nothing to do with loyalty -.- He's a professional gamer. Sometimes in the professional workplace people switch companies or jobs. You have to do what you think is right for you. I don't think it's a financial situation, I think NaDa truly thinks he needs to new environment to help him regain his form.
i'm gonna be hated on for saying this, but tester and fruitdealer leaving at the beginning was probably a bigger hit to oGs than nada and mc leaving now. Since oGs is now much better known and has more corporate support than before they are less reliant on the big names of MC and NaDa to provide reasons for these companies to start supporting them. At the time when tester and fruitdealer left they were funded out of spunky's pocket. >>
on-topic: Good luck to NaDa T__T makes me sad to see oGs lose yet another great player i'd like to hope that this isnt all about the money and that nada really does just want a more challenging environment ><
On February 08 2012 11:30 babylon wrote: Uhhhhh, given that NaDa has, at least, a good ~500k in the bank from his time on WMF alone -- not even talking about past winnings or anything, just how much he was signed for during his time on that team -- I don't think he's exactly hurting for money right now. He left all that to go to SC2, mind you, where he probably wasn't making 1/10 of what he was making on WMF.
Not to mention, a shit ton of cash in the bank and a good university education for him to fall back on (a Computer Engineering degree, which is highly marketable, from Inha University, which, despite what rumor likes to tell people, is not a "community-college"), and I highly, highly doubt he's doing it for money -- or at least, that's not his main motivation.
Lol 500k.. ok let me explain to you something -
- he is a famous player correct- yes he was VERY successful. Money however is a fiat item that has the ability to disapear. now nada obviously doesnt live rent free, he doesnt have food delivered to him for free, he doesnt get gas for free he doesnt live for free ok? got that?
now lets return back to the logical pathway . 500k - ~300k living costs since he earned that - Xk that he lost doing other "stuff" leisure etc etc etc etc
Now, he has this business thats great. But if you do economics theres a thing called marginal benefit. he might be in the money river in the long run, but right now, thats not the case. Its economics, hard to argue with it.
My recommendations for NaDa- even if he doesnt want to. Join a foreigner team for money and I also feel hes not at the top in korea so it seems more realistic he will make grater profit overseas since he is better than most players (bar some mouz/empire players) - MLG's shouldnt be a problem me thinks.
thanks.
Nada has WAY more money than what you're thinking. First of all it was a $600k contract not $500k, and the contract he had with WMF was his second $600k contract. That's $1.2 million right there and that doesn't even include what kind of salary he got pre-2004. Now add in $350k in tournament prizemoney and personal sponsorships and we're talking about somewhere near $2 million that Nada's earned over his career. Also, it's quite well known that Korean progamers who live in teamhouses get housing and food for free. This wasn't the case for Nada during his time at oGs since he lived on his own but during his time as a BW gamer he never had to worry about living expenses. Is it possible Nada blew all his money on worldly pleasures or bad investments? Sure, but given the nature of Koreans to hand all their money to their parents for safekeeping and the growth of the general strength of the South Korean economy over the last decade I doubt it.
Hwanni said Nada was paid to do that promo spot for LoL guys (on jp's new show), so it might mean much...but you never know. I really need to try some LoL...never actually played it..mainly because I've never been a dota fan..think should give it a go though.
For someone who's already achieved a lot as a progamer, the next big challenge would be create a team ..but looks like he's not thinking along those lines.
Seems like lots of korean powerhouses are losing their players to foreign teams lately, or at least I get the general sense that the korean big team house foundation has weakened a bit... ZeNEX, oGs, TSL all lose players... to EG, Liquid etc o_O or maybe I am totally wrong, which could also be the case...
Well, good for Nada I hope another great team picks him up! oGs is still quite a strong team, I'm sure they'll still do fine. Best of luck to them too!
Oh yeah, and so what if he wants more money? I'd want a raise when I could get one too. This is not just fun and games, this is his job. And no one wants to be underpaid. So stop making such a big deal about it.
On February 08 2012 16:20 Reasonable wrote: In another words, Nada: "I would like to get paid more. Thanks."
Well NaDa is more a marketable personality... if he joins any team this team will get so well known around the world in seconds...cant blame him. First you work for your image and then your image works for you
If there was someone better than BoxeR and iloveoov, NaDa Hyung is that one >.> Sad news for oGs, but I wish the very best to NaDa! I love that sexy beast ♥
On February 08 2012 17:18 TheNessman wrote: ok i just don't think any foreign team deserves in any way to pick up nada
Yea I feel like I will be disappointed if he goes to a foreign team. If he does I'll be much more inclined to believe that the move was made for money and not for the sake of improvement.
On February 08 2012 16:20 Reasonable wrote: In another words, Nada: "I would like to get paid more. Thanks."
i dont get it why ppl even write this, cuz its so obvious. But i dont mean it in a bad way. Every reasonable person on would do it - its your job, you wouldnt leave your job if you can earn 10 times the amount at another company? the korean teams arent able to get decent sponsors to pay their players? Well, then they are of course leaving for foreign teams.
(so the real question is not 'why do all koreans leave their teams', but 'why do korean teams suck so bad at marketing/business?')
Nada is like one of the richest progamers in history, I doubt he wants to join a foreign team for the money lol. If he says he wants to join a foreign team for more challenge, he probably means it like that.
doubt liquid will get him considering he's already leaving the ogs-tl house... as for which team gets him, fxo already has 8 terrans, eg is looking like a good option, just imagine demuslim puma and nada training in the same house...i can also see SK gettin him.
On February 08 2012 16:20 Reasonable wrote: In another words, Nada: "I would like to get paid more. Thanks."
i dont get it why ppl even write this, cuz its so obvious. But i dont mean it in a bad way. Every reasonable person on would do it - its your job, you wouldnt leave your job if you can earn 10 times the amount at another company? the korean teams arent able to get decent sponsors to pay their players? Well, then they are of course leaving for foreign teams.
(so the real question is not 'why do all koreans leave their teams', but 'why do korean teams suck so bad at marketing/business?')
Dude, they don't suck at marketing or at anything, as a matter of fact. Competition is brutal in Korea. Do you know how small the entertainment market is in Korea? They fight to death for every penny, that's why they make the best players, cars, TV's, etc. etc..
P.S. I once asked a Korean friend who immigrated to the US on why his family left Korea. Well, he simply said the competition was so hard it was too stressful to live.
Guys, why are so many of you speaking about money? Nada had several years of ~200k (USD) annual salary + 6 major BW championships + his own successful business. I don't think teams in SC2 can offer him any significant monetary contribution to what he already has. He is definitely just looking for some fun
I think it's possible NaDa will think long and hard, then create Team NaDaMall and pick up a core of progamers. Although he could also call it Team NaDa's Body. That would let him create a legacy that would hopefully outlast his stint in the military, and allow him to stay in the eSports scene afterwards even if he came back as a manager/coach.
On February 08 2012 23:57 Brad Lah wrote: So if TLO is playing Zerg atm and i think he is (could be wrong).. then is Jinro the only Terran on the TL roster? :O
Liquid`NaDa :D?!
Would be awesome
Oh EG you have PuMa? Thats cool and all but we have MOTHER FUCKING NaDa!!!!!
On February 08 2012 16:20 Reasonable wrote: In another words, Nada: "I would like to get paid more. Thanks."
i dont get it why ppl even write this, cuz its so obvious. But i dont mean it in a bad way. Every reasonable person on would do it - its your job, you wouldnt leave your job if you can earn 10 times the amount at another company? the korean teams arent able to get decent sponsors to pay their players? Well, then they are of course leaving for foreign teams.
(so the real question is not 'why do all koreans leave their teams', but 'why do korean teams suck so bad at marketing/business?')
Dude, they don't suck at marketing or at anything, as a matter of fact. Competition is brutal in Korea. Do you know how small the entertainment market is in Korea? They fight to death for every penny, that's why they make the best players, cars, TV's, etc. etc..
P.S. I once asked a Korean friend who immigrated to the US on why his family left Korea. Well, he simply said the competition was so hard it was too stressful to live.
Sorry, did you just say Korea makes the best cars? ahahaha
More to the point, I don't see why a team in such an international scene as SCII needs to limit itself to Korea. It's not like any european team only limits itself to their country or a US team to only NA or something. Get international sponsors, start streaming, get your players more in the focus of the international scene (a lot of teams are obv. doing that, but I think it can be taken further)
On February 08 2012 23:59 felisconcolori wrote: I think it's possible NaDa will think long and hard, then create Team NaDaMall and pick up a core of progamers. Although he could also call it Team NaDa's Body. That would let him create a legacy that would hopefully outlast his stint in the military, and allow him to stay in the eSports scene afterwards even if he came back as a manager/coach.
Team Nada's Body would be the best thing to ever happen to esports.
What other foreign teams even have the bankroll to pick up such a huge player. EG cleared up some funds recently, Fnatic picked up moon/alive. Maybe complexity.
I want Yellow + NaDa to head/start a SC2-team and then proceed to challenge Boxer and his team for an epic match.
But whatever will come of this team change I hope he will find new motivation and maybe start to interact even more with his fans. 2012 will be the year of the NaDa!
On February 08 2012 16:20 Reasonable wrote: In another words, Nada: "I would like to get paid more. Thanks."
i dont get it why ppl even write this, cuz its so obvious. But i dont mean it in a bad way. Every reasonable person on would do it - its your job, you wouldnt leave your job if you can earn 10 times the amount at another company? the korean teams arent able to get decent sponsors to pay their players? Well, then they are of course leaving for foreign teams.
(so the real question is not 'why do all koreans leave their teams', but 'why do korean teams suck so bad at marketing/business?')
Dude, they don't suck at marketing or at anything, as a matter of fact. Competition is brutal in Korea. Do you know how small the entertainment market is in Korea? They fight to death for every penny, that's why they make the best players, cars, TV's, etc. etc..
P.S. I once asked a Korean friend who immigrated to the US on why his family left Korea. Well, he simply said the competition was so hard it was too stressful to live.
Sorry, did you just say Korea makes the best cars? ahahaha
More to the point, I don't see why a team in such an international scene as SCII needs to limit itself to Korea. It's not like any european team only limits itself to their country or a US team to only NA or something. Get international sponsors, start streaming, get your players more in the focus of the international scene (a lot of teams are obv. doing that, but I think it can be taken further)
I think he just means the South Korea Auto industry is quite a bit more profitable compared to the U.S or Japanese auto industry. Their leaner system ensured they wouldn't take as big of hit as the U.S. or Japan during the 2008 recession. Which is why I thought the U.S automakers began to mimick them.
Edit: Like their SC pros, their auto industry is quite efficient
Seems reasonable not wanting to commit to a team the year before your obilgatory military service. A more independent training-schedule seems like a good thing for him in this circumstance. Anyway, I hope we keep seeing NaDa play in the GSL during 2012 at least!
On February 09 2012 02:06 UBavarice wrote: Seems reasonable not wanting to commit to a team the year before your obilgatory military service. A more independent training-schedule seems like a good thing for him in this circumstance. Anyway, I hope we keep seeing NaDa play in the GSL during 2012 at least!
He was not living in the team house so he already had probably a very independent training-schedule
Wow Im suprised but I wish the best luck to Nada in joining a foreign team, I'ts awesome to see korean's leave their prestigious team such as oGs or SlayerS (GoldenLighT).
Poor oGs in loosing Nada but they still have the super good supernova !
On February 09 2012 06:40 GeezerGeek wrote: The "foreign team" reference is a red herring. Nada is going to a Broodwar team to be a coach/player in anticipation of the big April shift to SC2.
Interesting idea, I'll have to keep this in mind ;o
On February 09 2012 06:40 GeezerGeek wrote: The "foreign team" reference is a red herring. Nada is going to a Broodwar team to be a coach/player in anticipation of the big April shift to SC2.
Anything is possible at this point, but your idea is certainly not the most outlandish one I came across in this thread.
There are a lot of things to infer from NaDa's departure announcement.
It's pretty obvious that NaDa is putting himself on a clock now. There is a countdown until he leaves StarCraft 2 to complete his mandatory military service. Given his age, I think that if he were to leave for the military, it would mean his retirement. If we assume that the end point is retirement, then NaDa is most likely looking to win titles before this happens.
The announcement was almost like a self-advertisement for himself. He basically implied he's looking for a foreign team, but they should be aware that he comes with an expiration date. If we look at the team that can afford to sign NaDa, the list is quite small. coL.MVP, EG, and Team Liquid are the only ones with a capacity right now. I really doubt the former two will sign NaDa because they already have their hands full with their own roster. Team Liquid is a perfect match for NaDa, and the reasons are numerous. Liquid has a small roster, and they have quite the collection of sponsers. A Liquid player is pretty much at every major foreign tournament. I can't remember the last time when I didn't see Liquid represented in a foreign individuals tournament. Consistent attendance from Korea would not be a problem; Jinro flies in to compete at every MLG. Most importantly, the management hands-off approach of Liquid would fit NaDa's current situation the best. In reverse, NaDa would be a fit for Liquid in a number of ways as well. Liquid is currently looking for Terran players to balance out their roster. Also, it's fucking NADA!
Of course, I could be totally wrong and there's a huge bidding war going on right now for NaDa.
On February 08 2012 16:20 Reasonable wrote: In another words, Nada: "I would like to get paid more. Thanks."
i dont get it why ppl even write this, cuz its so obvious. But i dont mean it in a bad way. Every reasonable person on would do it - its your job, you wouldnt leave your job if you can earn 10 times the amount at another company? the korean teams arent able to get decent sponsors to pay their players? Well, then they are of course leaving for foreign teams.
(so the real question is not 'why do all koreans leave their teams', but 'why do korean teams suck so bad at marketing/business?')
Dude, they don't suck at marketing or at anything, as a matter of fact. Competition is brutal in Korea. Do you know how small the entertainment market is in Korea? They fight to death for every penny, that's why they make the best players, cars, TV's, etc. etc..
P.S. I once asked a Korean friend who immigrated to the US on why his family left Korea. Well, he simply said the competition was so hard it was too stressful to live.
Sorry, did you just say Korea makes the best cars? ahahaha
More to the point, I don't see why a team in such an international scene as SCII needs to limit itself to Korea. It's not like any european team only limits itself to their country or a US team to only NA or something. Get international sponsors, start streaming, get your players more in the focus of the international scene (a lot of teams are obv. doing that, but I think it can be taken further)
I think he just means the South Korea Auto industry is quite a bit more profitable compared to the U.S or Japanese auto industry. Their leaner system ensured they wouldn't take as big of hit as the U.S. or Japan during the 2008 recession. Which is why I thought the U.S automakers began to mimick them.
Edit: Like their SC pros, their auto industry is quite efficient
I think he may have been talking about European cars. Italians have always had the best cars with the exception of when Ford beat Ferrari with the GT40 but this is off course >.>. but If NaDa left because of money we should expect EG.NaDa imo
On February 08 2012 16:20 Reasonable wrote: In another words, Nada: "I would like to get paid more. Thanks."
i dont get it why ppl even write this, cuz its so obvious. But i dont mean it in a bad way. Every reasonable person on would do it - its your job, you wouldnt leave your job if you can earn 10 times the amount at another company? the korean teams arent able to get decent sponsors to pay their players? Well, then they are of course leaving for foreign teams.
(so the real question is not 'why do all koreans leave their teams', but 'why do korean teams suck so bad at marketing/business?')
Dude, they don't suck at marketing or at anything, as a matter of fact. Competition is brutal in Korea. Do you know how small the entertainment market is in Korea? They fight to death for every penny, that's why they make the best players, cars, TV's, etc. etc..
P.S. I once asked a Korean friend who immigrated to the US on why his family left Korea. Well, he simply said the competition was so hard it was too stressful to live.
Sorry, did you just say Korea makes the best cars? ahahaha
More to the point, I don't see why a team in such an international scene as SCII needs to limit itself to Korea. It's not like any european team only limits itself to their country or a US team to only NA or something. Get international sponsors, start streaming, get your players more in the focus of the international scene (a lot of teams are obv. doing that, but I think it can be taken further)
Just so you're aware, KIA and Hyundai are the new Toyota/Honda, at least in the US.
On February 08 2012 16:20 Reasonable wrote: In another words, Nada: "I would like to get paid more. Thanks."
i dont get it why ppl even write this, cuz its so obvious. But i dont mean it in a bad way. Every reasonable person on would do it - its your job, you wouldnt leave your job if you can earn 10 times the amount at another company? the korean teams arent able to get decent sponsors to pay their players? Well, then they are of course leaving for foreign teams.
(so the real question is not 'why do all koreans leave their teams', but 'why do korean teams suck so bad at marketing/business?')
Dude, they don't suck at marketing or at anything, as a matter of fact. Competition is brutal in Korea. Do you know how small the entertainment market is in Korea? They fight to death for every penny, that's why they make the best players, cars, TV's, etc. etc..
P.S. I once asked a Korean friend who immigrated to the US on why his family left Korea. Well, he simply said the competition was so hard it was too stressful to live.
Sorry, did you just say Korea makes the best cars? ahahaha
More to the point, I don't see why a team in such an international scene as SCII needs to limit itself to Korea. It's not like any european team only limits itself to their country or a US team to only NA or something. Get international sponsors, start streaming, get your players more in the focus of the international scene (a lot of teams are obv. doing that, but I think it can be taken further)
Just so you're aware, KIA and Hyundai are the new Toyota/Honda, at least in the US.
In the ToSsGirL interview with Reach (here), Reach says he met with NaDa and YellOw "yesterday" and reminisced about the old days, when NaDa came in as the youngest player on their team. Perhaps NaDa felt hungry to search for his own glory again. I really want to see him kicking ass, and I actually think he will be more successful this year because of this decision.
good luck to NaDa and oGs! nearly only eg an liquid mentions here, i think that an european team is more likely. or at least im so selfish that i hope so :D
whichever team it will be, i hope that NaDa will start owning and winning tournaments left and right
fnatic is my guess. (didnt they say at the release of moon that there is another player to follow in february?)
Liquid an NA team? Their founder is dutch and the only American people on the team are Sheth and Tyler.
btw this has probably been said already, but last night on Live On Three, Slasher said that he has talked to SK gaming and they are not planning to pick up NaDa. SirScoots has also said they (EG) are not going to pick up NaDa either.
On February 10 2012 01:05 Hulavuta wrote: Liquid an NA team? Their founder is dutch and the only American people on the team are Sheth and Tyler.
btw this has probably been said already, but last night on Live On Three, Slasher said that he has talked to SK gaming and they are not planning to pick up NaDa. SirScoots has also said they (EG) are not going to pick up NaDa either.
On February 09 2012 19:50 god_forbids wrote: In the ToSsGirL interview with Reach (here), Reach says he met with NaDa and YellOw "yesterday" and reminisced about the old days, when NaDa came in as the youngest player on their team. Perhaps NaDa felt hungry to search for his own glory again. I really want to see him kicking ass, and I actually think he will be more successful this year because of this decision.
Nada is saying that he has started to practice harder every other week. And yet he keeps disappointing his fans over and over. I can understand him though, he was and he still is in a very comfortable position, where he can work little and still get a decent living. I think he earned that whith all his dedication in his younger years. I dont expect much from him though. Still i always enjoy to see him play and attend tournaments, so i hope he will get signed by a strong team (financially) so that he can attend as many events as possible.
Nadas already doing well with his nadamall business so i dont think his departure is for financial purposes. He probably doesnt like the way forgg smells or something
On February 09 2012 02:06 UBavarice wrote: Seems reasonable not wanting to commit to a team the year before your obilgatory military service. A more independent training-schedule seems like a good thing for him in this circumstance. Anyway, I hope we keep seeing NaDa play in the GSL during 2012 at least!
He was not living in the team house so he already had probably a very independent training-schedule
Is that so? I wasn't aware. Well, then at least it might easen up pressure (real or imagined) on him to perform and such.
I think from what is displayed on the information given. Is that Nada plans to do his mandatory military service. Not join another team, avoiding or dodging the service is very shameful in SK, as far as I've read.
Well it's good to see koreans joining the foreign teams, hero going to liquid, puma to EG, and fnatic just picked up alive a while back. It kind of shows that koreans respect the foreign scene, and consider them to be on equal levels, sc2 is shaping up to be an exciting ride!
On February 10 2012 17:07 xNomax wrote: Well it's good to see koreans joining the foreign teams, hero going to liquid, puma to EG, and fnatic just picked up alive a while back. It kind of shows that koreans respect the foreign scene, and consider them to be on equal levels, sc2 is shaping up to be an exciting ride!
That literally has nothing to do with respect. Most korean sc2 teams have huge financial problems and barely any korean actually gets a salary from their team while pretty much every big foreign team can provide that and travel to many tournaments easily. If anything it just shows how bad sc2 really runs in korea atm.
As SK and EG both denied I guess I can always hope for Nadamall.Nada :D
On February 10 2012 17:07 xNomax wrote: Well it's good to see koreans joining the foreign teams, hero going to liquid, puma to EG, and fnatic just picked up alive a while back. It kind of shows that koreans respect the foreign scene, and consider them to be on equal levels, sc2 is shaping up to be an exciting ride!
Respect for their wallets yea. Equal level? No, so far there has been no proof of this whatsoever, its quite opposite actually.
On February 12 2012 03:05 StrafeJD wrote: Bye NaDa, Bye MC. LOL oGs...
Nada is probably the fourth best Terran on oGs behind Supernova, StC and ForGG. Maybe alongside TOP in terms of skill at the moment.
MC is a gigantic loss since they have no depth in Zerg or Protoss, but Nada's leaving isn't that huge of a blow competitive wise. Brand name wise, it stings.
yep nada is more of a brand attraction (im a big nada fan because i watched him in bw) he is still a decent player though. any team would be lucky to pick him up
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